Anyone aware of childrens building systems by them. (Modern version of Meccano
- but much better).

I'm interested if anyone knows anything about a relay: em10 with details in
English.

Or any suggestion for a better group or other forum to ask in?

PS Not talking about plugs for walls ;-)

model builder wrote:

Anyone aware of childrens building systems by them. (Modern version of Meccano
- but much better).

technik with a 'k'

I'm interested if anyone knows anything about a relay: em10 with details in
English.

part number 30246

https://ft-datenbank.de/ft-article/1232

You might need to OCR (or re-type) the PDF and push it through google
translate

On 12/02/19 12:41, Andy Burns wrote:
model builder wrote:

Anyone aware of childrens building systems by them. (Modern version of Meccano
- but much better).

technik with a 'k'

I'm interested if anyone knows anything about a relay: em10 with details in
English.

part number 30246

https://ft-datenbank.de/ft-article/1232

You might need to OCR (or re-type) the PDF and push it through google
translate

I hope their products are better than their webpages. Almost all the
links seem to result in "404 - Page not found". Try the links here, for
example:
https://www.fischertechnik.de/en-gb/neuheiten-2019

--

Jeff

On 12/02/2019 12:22, model builder wrote:

Anyone aware of childrens building systems by them. (Modern version of Meccano
- but much better).

I'm interested if anyone knows anything about a relay: em10 with details in
English.

Or any suggestion for a better group or other forum to ask in?

PS Not talking about plugs for walls ;-)

What do you want to know about it. the data sheet is fairly easy to
Interpret without any need for translation.

two pole changeover relay with 5v 150 ohm coil absolute max 14v drop out
voltage 1.5v
contact rating 40v dc 1amp non inductive
Inductive/AC rating 30VA 0.7a inductive

Anything else you need to know?

Bob

On 12/02/2019 13:59, Bob Minchin wrote:
On 12/02/2019 12:22, model builder wrote:

Anyone aware of childrens building systems by them.Â* (Modern version
of Meccano
- but much better).

I'm interested if anyone knows anything about a relay: em10Â* with
details in
English.

Or any suggestion for a better group or other forum to ask in?

PS Not talking about plugs for walls ;-)

What do you want to know about it. the data sheet is fairly easy to
Interpret without any need for translation.

two pole changeover relay with 5v 150 ohm coil absolute max 14v drop out
voltage 1.5v
contact rating 40v dc 1amp non inductive
Inductive/AC rating 30VA 0.7a inductive

Anything else you need to know?

Here is the text OCRed and fed through translate:

Technical specifications:
Rated operating voltage: Max. Coil voltage: Coil resistance: Tightening
voltage: Waste voltage: Current consumption:
Max. Switching frequency: Kontaktbestuckung:
Per changeover contact max. Switching voltage: max. Switching current:
Max. Switching capacity: Mechanical life (switching cycles):
6-12 V =
14V-150fi
5 V ± 10%
1.5 V ± 10% approx. 40 mA at 6 V
50 / s
2 changeover contacts 40 V
1 A induction-free 0.7 A inductive 30 VA
about 2X108
Relay module RB Ij
Unlike the electronic relay module RB I in the ec 1 and hobby 4 modular
system, this module contains no amplifier. The RB II is in addition to
the additional pack em10 in ec3-, hobby3-, ut3- u. ut4 kit included.
The relay module RB II contains a DC flat relay with two changeover
contacts. As the diagram shows, in idle state ai is connected to a2 and
bi to b2. Attention! The RB II can not be directly controlled by the
outputs of the fischertechnik electronic components (basic module,
flip-flop, mono-flop, AND-NAND, OR-NOR, dyn. AND). To control a relay
with these components, the RB I with built-in amplifier should be used.
The relay module can be connected to the other fischertechnik electronic
components by means of tongue and groove. The laterally arranged contact
strips are used for looping through "+" and in electronic circuits. In
each case, a red intermediate plug must be inserted between the housing
of the electronic components. There is no direct connection of the "+"
and contact strips to the terminals of the built-in relay.
Circuit examples:
If a motor does not run smoothly after switching off but is shut down
quickly, as is the case with safety circuits, for example. B. is
required, so the motor must be additionally shorted when switching off.
The dotted line causes this shorting of the motor.


A frequently required type of circuit is the pole reversal circuit.
If the 2 changeover contact sets are connected by 2 connections
according to the following diagram, the electr. Consumer, in this case
the fischer technology engine, in each case reversed polarity.


Fischer-Werke €¢ 7241 Tumlingen-Waldach Valley Printed in W.-Germany –*
Art. 6 39158 5 Changes reserved (1)



--
Cheers,

John.

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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:22:43 +0000, model builder
wrote:


Anyone aware of childrens building systems by them. (Modern version of Meccano
- but much better).

Yes, much better. I had stacks of FT stuff when I was a kid. FWIW.

--
Little Britain leaves. Great Britain stays.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:41:57 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

model builder wrote:

Anyone aware of childrens building systems by them. (Modern version of Meccano
- but much better).

technik with a 'k'

I'm interested if anyone knows anything about a relay: em10 with details in
English.

part number 30246

https://ft-datenbank.de/ft-article/1232

You might need to OCR (or re-type) the PDF and push it through google
translate


Good plan - thanks

Have you used Fischertechnik yourself?

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 13:59:00 +0000, Bob Minchin
wrote:

On 12/02/2019 12:22, model builder wrote:

Anyone aware of childrens building systems by them. (Modern version of Meccano
- but much better).

I'm interested if anyone knows anything about a relay: em10 with details in
English.

Or any suggestion for a better group or other forum to ask in?

PS Not talking about plugs for walls ;-)

What do you want to know about it. the data sheet is fairly easy to
Interpret without any need for translation.

two pole changeover relay with 5v 150 ohm coil absolute max 14v drop out
voltage 1.5v
contact rating 40v dc 1amp non inductive
Inductive/AC rating 30VA 0.7a inductive

Anything else you need to know?

Bob


What is the purpose of the two electrical contact strips down each side of the
unit?

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:42:23 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 12/02/2019 13:59, Bob Minchin wrote:
On 12/02/2019 12:22, model builder wrote:

Anyone aware of childrens building systems by them.* (Modern version
of Meccano
- but much better).

I'm interested if anyone knows anything about a relay: em10* with
details in
English.

Or any suggestion for a better group or other forum to ask in?

PS Not talking about plugs for walls ;-)

What do you want to know about it. the data sheet is fairly easy to
Interpret without any need for translation.

two pole changeover relay with 5v 150 ohm coil absolute max 14v drop out
voltage 1.5v
contact rating 40v dc 1amp non inductive
Inductive/AC rating 30VA 0.7a inductive

Anything else you need to know?

Here is the text OCRed and fed through translate:

Technical specifications:
Rated operating voltage: Max. Coil voltage: Coil resistance: Tightening
voltage: Waste voltage: Current consumption:
Max. Switching frequency: Kontaktbestuckung:
Per changeover contact max. Switching voltage: max. Switching current:
Max. Switching capacity: Mechanical life (switching cycles):
6-12 V =
14V-150fi
5 V ± 10%
1.5 V ± 10% approx. 40 mA at 6 V
50 / s
2 changeover contacts 40 V
1 A induction-free 0.7 A inductive 30 VA
about 2X108
Relay module RB Ij
Unlike the electronic relay module RB I in the ec 1 and hobby 4 modular
system, this module contains no amplifier. The RB II is in addition to
the additional pack em10 in ec3-, hobby3-, ut3- u. ut4 kit included.
The relay module RB II contains a DC flat relay with two changeover
contacts. As the diagram shows, in idle state ai is connected to a2 and
bi to b2. Attention! The RB II can not be directly controlled by the
outputs of the fischertechnik electronic components (basic module,
flip-flop, mono-flop, AND-NAND, OR-NOR, dyn. AND). To control a relay
with these components, the RB I with built-in amplifier should be used.
The relay module can be connected to the other fischertechnik electronic
components by means of tongue and groove. The laterally arranged contact
strips are used for looping through "+" and in electronic circuits. In
each case, a red intermediate plug must be inserted between the housing
of the electronic components. There is no direct connection of the "+"
and contact strips to the terminals of the built-in relay.
Circuit examples:
If a motor does not run smoothly after switching off but is shut down
quickly, as is the case with safety circuits, for example. B. is
required, so the motor must be additionally shorted when switching off.
The dotted line causes this shorting of the motor.


A frequently required type of circuit is the pole reversal circuit.
If the 2 changeover contact sets are connected by 2 connections
according to the following diagram, the electr. Consumer, in this case
the fischer technology engine, in each case reversed polarity.


Fischer-Werke • 7241 Tumlingen-Waldach Valley Printed in W.-Germany ?
Art. 6 39158 5 Changes reserved (1)


Excellent - many thanks.

Could you say exactly what you used to get that please?

I was interested in the use of the contact strips - there are 2 strips of metal
about 3mm wide down each of the four sides of the unit.

The laterally arranged contact
strips are used for looping through "+" and in electronic circuits. In
each case, a red intermediate plug must be inserted between the housing
of the electronic components. There is no direct connection of the "+"
and contact strips to the terminals of the built-in relay.

Must admit - I'm not much the wiser about them - I think that you can attach
other units to the relay box - and then electrically connect them in some way -
I am unsure why.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:17:55 +0000, Mark
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:22:43 +0000, model builder
wrote:


Anyone aware of childrens building systems by them. (Modern version of Meccano
- but much better).

Yes, much better. I had stacks of FT stuff when I was a kid. FWIW.


Were you living in England? - I first came across it in Holland about
1979/1980. Very, very precise fittings. I was brought up on Meccano in the
fifties - I wish I had had FT !!

model builder wrote:

Have you used Fischertechnik yourself?

One of my cousins had some ... I had Meccano and my brother had Lego.

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 16:44:01 +0000, model builder
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:17:55 +0000, Mark
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:22:43 +0000, model builder
wrote:


Anyone aware of childrens building systems by them. (Modern version of Meccano
- but much better).

Yes, much better. I had stacks of FT stuff when I was a kid. FWIW.


Were you living in England?

Yes. IIRC I came across it in an idependent model/toy shop.

- I first came across it in Holland about
1979/1980. Very, very precise fittings. I was brought up on Meccano in the
fifties - I wish I had had FT !!

I was brought up on lego, but discovered FT in time :-)

--
Little Britain leaves. Great Britain stays.

On 13/02/2019 16:41, model builder wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:42:23 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

Here is the text OCRed and fed through translate:

[snip]

Fischer-Werke €¢ 7241 Tumlingen-Waldach Valley Printed in W.-Germany ?
Art. 6 39158 5 Changes reserved (1)


Excellent - many thanks.

Could you say exactly what you used to get that please?

I went to the URL someone posted:

https://ft-datenbank.de/ft-article/1232

Right clicked a PDF and saved it to a file. Opened that in Abbyy Fine
Reader and OCRd it. Output that in plain text to the clipboard, then
went to translate.google.com and pasted it in. Posted the translation as
above.

I was interested in the use of the contact strips - there are 2 strips of metal
about 3mm wide down each of the four sides of the unit.

The laterally arranged contact
strips are used for looping through "+" and in electronic circuits. In
each case, a red intermediate plug must be inserted between the housing
of the electronic components. There is no direct connection of the "+"
and contact strips to the terminals of the built-in relay.

Must admit - I'm not much the wiser about them - I think that you can attach
other units to the relay box - and then electrically connect them in some way -
I am unsure why.

It looks like the box is designed to interlock with adjacent similar boxes:

https://ft-datenbank.de/binary/2318

I would guess there is no electrical connectivity other than via fly
leads though.



--
Cheers,

John.

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On 15 Feb 2019 at 01:00:30, John Rumm wrote:

I went to the URL someone posted:

https://ft-datenbank.de/ft-article/1232

Right clicked a PDF and saved it to a file. Opened that in Abbyy Fine
Reader and OCRd it. Output that in plain text to the clipboard, then
went to translate.google.com and pasted it in. Posted the translation as
above.

The Poppler package contains pdftotext which extracts the text in a pdf to a file.

http://poppler.freedesktop.org

John Rumm wrote:

model builder wrote:

Could you say exactly what you used to getÂ* that please?

I went to the URL someone posted:

https://ft-datenbank.de/ft-article/1232

I fed the URL straight into an online OCR page

https://ocr.space

and then copied and pasted the result of that into

https://translate.google.com

It gave practically identical results (and OCR/translation errors) to
John's result.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 01:00:30 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 13/02/2019 16:41, model builder wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:42:23 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

Here is the text OCRed and fed through translate:

[snip]

Fischer-Werke • 7241 Tumlingen-Waldach Valley Printed in W.-Germany ?
Art. 6 39158 5 Changes reserved (1)


Excellent - many thanks.

Could you say exactly what you used to get that please?

I went to the URL someone posted:

https://ft-datenbank.de/ft-article/1232

Right clicked a PDF and saved it to a file. Opened that in Abbyy Fine
Reader and OCRd it. Output that in plain text to the clipboard, then
went to translate.google.com and pasted it in. Posted the translation as
above.

I was interested in the use of the contact strips - there are 2 strips of metal
about 3mm wide down each of the four sides of the unit.

The laterally arranged contact
strips are used for looping through "+" and in electronic circuits. In
each case, a red intermediate plug must be inserted between the housing
of the electronic components. There is no direct connection of the "+"
and contact strips to the terminals of the built-in relay.

Must admit - I'm not much the wiser about them - I think that you can attach
other units to the relay box - and then electrically connect them in some way -
I am unsure why.

It looks like the box is designed to interlock with adjacent similar boxes:

https://ft-datenbank.de/binary/2318

I would guess there is no electrical connectivity other than via fly
leads though.


Many thanks - appreciated.

I think the "red intermediate plug" as per above provides some electrical
connectivity: but I admit I really don't know if it does, and if so, why.

On 15 Feb 2019 07:48:27 GMT, Bob Martin wrote:

On 15 Feb 2019 at 01:00:30, John Rumm wrote:

I went to the URL someone posted:

https://ft-datenbank.de/ft-article/1232

Right clicked a PDF and saved it to a file. Opened that in Abbyy Fine
Reader and OCRd it. Output that in plain text to the clipboard, then
went to translate.google.com and pasted it in. Posted the translation as
above.

The Poppler package contains pdftotext which extracts the text in a pdf to a file.

http://poppler.freedesktop.org


thanks

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:02:55 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

John Rumm wrote:

model builder wrote:

Could you say exactly what you used to get* that please?

I went to the URL someone posted:

https://ft-datenbank.de/ft-article/1232

I fed the URL straight into an online OCR page

https://ocr.space

and then copied and pasted the result of that into

https://translate.google.com

It gave practically identical results (and OCR/translation errors) to
John's result.


Many thanks to you also