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On 18/01/2019 09:34, T i m wrote:
Snipped I wonder how many here clear litter from the street near our homes (between any Council cleaners)? A few of us round here do, 1) because it looks untidy and 2) if you don't it seems to invite others to add to it? ;-( Cheers, T i m That has always been the way. Keeping an area clean is much less effort than cleaning it up once in a while. Councils don't seem to understand that though. We used to have a street sweeper with a little yellow cart, but the council in its wisdom got rid of him and now use a small, roadgoing vehicle. The reult is that the area is not kept as clean (we do have a residents litter picking session every so often), which encourages more litter. The rotating brushes are also very good at throwing much of what is there into the hedges and bushes rather than collecting it. Another by product of getting rid of the street sweeper is that he'll have lost his job and will probably be on benefits for life - he is deaf and dumb, so little chance of finding something else. Working out and about at least got him an income, a chance to feel he was doing something useful and a little interaction with people. He always had a smile for everyone. SteveW |
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On 18/01/2019 10:18, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 09:54:40 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote: snip It is a way of advertising that "Thick People Live Here". Along with the 60" TV box stood outside their houses in one piece. I once managed to get a Micra Tailgate into a bin and have also managed a dishwasher. LOL! Many struggle to cope with a cardboard box. So it seems. The worst I have seen was a complete near Eurobin sized cardboard box upside down inside the Eurobin for cardboard recycling, outside the Council Offices. I pulled it out, turned it over and put all my cardboard inside it. I also understand the local council have also given up on bundling up plastic bottles for recycling because of just how much unwanted plastic is put with the wanted. One of the problems is that the bottles and caps are of different materials and the recyclers want the former, but not the latter. The trouble is that when you flatten bottles, they tend to partly spring back unless the cap is on to keep them collapsed by vacuum. What we really need is a requirement for the caps and bottles to be of compatible materials (not necessarily the same materials). So whereas they used to get a good price per truckload of 'quality' plastic they now get next to nothing for a load of polluted stuff, simply because they don't have the staff to do what the households should do (properly) in the first place. ;-( In the case of plastic bottles, it should be simple enough for automating cutting off 1" from the cap end of the bottles at the recycling plant if there is a cap on. Unscrewing it would be even better, but cutting is fast, reliable and simple. Alterantively, I wonder if they can recycle shredded bottles? I'd be happy enough with a strong, hand-driven shredder. They'd take far less space then. SteveW |
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"michael adams" Wrote in message:
"Jim K.." wrote in message o.uk... "michael adams" Wrote in message: Name one Local Authority in the UK where homeowners are required to purchase replacement wheelie bins in the event of their reporting their own bin having been lost or stolen ? Rather than replacements being provided free of charge. York As you've clearly done a lot of research on this, can you Nah first hit on Google? Oopsy! There goes another of your bubbles ;-) -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:28:50 +0000, Steve Walker
wrote: snip I also understand the local council have also given up on bundling up plastic bottles for recycling because of just how much unwanted plastic is put with the wanted. One of the problems is that the bottles and caps are of different materials and the recyclers want the former, but not the latter. Understood. The trouble is that when you flatten bottles, they tend to partly spring back unless the cap is on to keep them collapsed by vacuum. I'll give you they can spring back a bit but ours generally stay pretty flat? What we really need is a requirement for the caps and bottles to be of compatible materials (not necessarily the same materials). That would make a lot of sense. So whereas they used to get a good price per truckload of 'quality' plastic they now get next to nothing for a load of polluted stuff, simply because they don't have the staff to do what the households should do (properly) in the first place. ;-( In the case of plastic bottles, it should be simple enough for automating cutting off 1" from the cap end of the bottles at the recycling plant if there is a cap on. Unscrewing it would be even better, but cutting is fast, reliable and simple. Yup. Alterantively, I wonder if they can recycle shredded bottles? I'd be happy enough with a strong, hand-driven shredder. They'd take far less space then. I guess that might be down to *all* plastic (drink type) bottles being made out of the same (or mixable) material and people only shredding those, not mixing them up with other stuff? Given I've seen hard plastic toys in the box that should pretty well only be a small range of plastic bottles, I'd not want to trust 'most people' with such a decision (hey, that sounds familiar). ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:20:37 +0000, Steve Walker
wrote: On 18/01/2019 09:34, T i m wrote: Snipped I wonder how many here clear litter from the street near our homes (between any Council cleaners)? A few of us round here do, 1) because it looks untidy and 2) if you don't it seems to invite others to add to it? ;-( Cheers, T i m That has always been the way. Keeping an area clean is much less effort than cleaning it up once in a while. Good to hear. Shame it's still not the case country-wide. ;-( Councils don't seem to understand that though. We used to have a street sweeper with a little yellow cart, but the council in its wisdom got rid of him and now use a small, roadgoing vehicle. We still have both. The sweeper vehicle is pretty useless these days as most of the gutters are filled with cars, even during the day. The reult is that the area is not kept as clean (we do have a residents litter picking session every so often), which encourages more litter. Yup. ;-( The rotating brushes are also very good at throwing much of what is there into the hedges and bushes rather than collecting it. Doh! ;-( Another by product of getting rid of the street sweeper is that he'll have lost his job and will probably be on benefits for life - he is deaf and dumb, so little chance of finding something else. Might he mot have been transferred to a different role within the council, like one of the grass maintenance teams? Working out and about at least got him an income, a chance to feel he was doing something useful and a little interaction with people. He always had a smile for everyone. That IS a terrible shame. And if he was doing a good job, I wonder if 'the people' could afford to keep him on between them (like you see some areas hiring their own 'security' patrols)? There may even be some social support / grant for that out there? Cheers, T i m |
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In the case of plastic bottles, it should be simple enough for automating cutting off 1" from the cap end of the bottles at the recycling plant if there is a cap on. Unscrewing it would be even better, but cutting is fast, reliable and simple. Alterantively, I wonder if they can recycle shredded bottles? I'd be happy enough with a strong, hand-driven shredder. They'd take far less space then. SteveW Meanwhile - others don't give a stuff and hinder the processes. |
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Steve Walker wrote:
I wonder if they can recycle shredded bottles? I gather that shredded paper generally avoids being recycled because it falls through a fine trommel screen at the start of the line, so shredded bottles would probably do the same. |
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"Terry Casey" wrote in message ... In article 7bOdne6mV- , mjadams25 @ukonline.co.uk says... As you've clearly done a lot of research on this, can you explain why the Household Waste Recycling Centre in York is named after the pulchritudinous 1960's TV and film actress ("Dick and the Dutchess", Hammer Horrors, etc ) Hazel Court ? If you look at the map on the page you linked to and examine the names of lots of the surrounding streets, I think you will find that you are barking up the wrong tree ... One word, four letters, first letter "J". Any help ? michael adams .... |
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T i m wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:20:37 +0000, Steve Walker Doh! ;-( Another by product of getting rid of the street sweeper is that he'll have lost his job and will probably be on benefits for life - he is deaf and dumb, so little chance of finding something else. Might he mot have been transferred to a different role within the council, like one of the grass maintenance teams? Often that means working with machinery or even passing a test so the pick up and trailer with machines can be driven to the site, there will also be more H+S requirements to comply with and possibly involving basic exams to be allowed to use some weed killers. All a bit much for some people yet they are more than capable of wielding a broom at their own pace. Working out and about at least got him an income, a chance to feel he was doing something useful and a little interaction with people. He always had a smile for everyone. Mechanisation is often a good thing but there is a dire shortage of simple jobs for simple people now. Things are always looked at in isolation , one department of a council will appear to be run better but the social service side gets the additional burden and over the full picture may be actually paying more. GH |
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Andy Burns wrote:
I gather that shredded paper generally avoids being recycled because it falls through a fine trommel screen at the start of the line, so shredded bottles would probably do the same. Our council (Nottinghamshire) tells us that shredded paper is OK in our recycling bins. When I visited the sorting facility recently, we saw the trommel screen which removed all small "contamination" which then went straight to landfill. This would clearly pass any crosscut paper shreddings. I queried this, and they said that I was correct, but they felt that it was psychologically better to encourage recycling. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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In message , at 17:48:04 on Thu, 17 Jan
2019, michael adams remarked: Name one Local Authority in the UK where homeowners are required to purchase replacement wheelie bins in the event of their reporting their own bin having been lost or stolen ? Rather than replacements being provided free of charge. I think the situation is that bins must be provided free of charge, but the council can levy a delivery fee (and also say you can't pick up from the depot yourself). -- Roland Perry |
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Chris J Dixon wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: I gather that shredded paper generally avoids being recycled because it falls through a fine trommel screen at the start of the line, so shredded bottles would probably do the same. Our council (Nottinghamshire) tells us that shredded paper is OK in our recycling bins. When I visited the sorting facility recently, we saw the trommel screen which removed all small "contamination" which then went straight to landfill. This would clearly pass any crosscut paper shreddings. I queried this, and they said that I was correct, but they felt that it was psychologically better to encourage recycling. Chris Ours takes shredded paper in paper bags. A good, if expensive, solution. -- Roger Hayter |
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On 17/01/2019 14:11, R D S wrote:
On 17/01/2019 13:40, michael adams wrote: But in this instance, all the OP need do is to inform the Council. All? You've plainly never phoned our council. Anyway curiosity got the better of me and I have my answer. It turns out our council want to come and collect old unused bins, they will call me back to make an appointment! The **** they claim to have no money for but they'll arrange appointments to drive around collecting battered old bins. I've an email..... They've acknowledged my reporting of 'an abandoned bin' and an inspector is going to visit. :rolls eyes: |
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Steve Walker wrote:
One of the problems is that the bottles and caps are of different materials and the recyclers want the former, but not the latter. The trouble is that when you flatten bottles, they tend to partly spring back unless the cap is on to keep them collapsed by vacuum. What we really need is a requirement for the caps and bottles to be of compatible materials (not necessarily the same materials). You hear all sorts of rumours about what actually happens to the contents of recycling bins after it's carted away, the village rag has a semi-interesting article from someone who took the time to visit ... http://www.countesthorpe-herald.org/319/mobile/index.html#p=6 e.g. me being "helpful" and flattening plastic bottles and aluminium tins, turns out to be harmful. Black plastic is definitely not wanted even if it has a recycling triangle on it, etc. [you probably want to shield your eyes from Mrs Santa over the page] |
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On 21/01/2019 14:31, R D S wrote:
On 17/01/2019 14:11, R D S wrote: On 17/01/2019 13:40, michael adams wrote: But in this instance, all the OP need do is to inform the Council. All? You've plainly never phoned our council. Anyway curiosity got the better of me and I have my answer. It turns out our council want to come and collect old unused bins, they will call me back to make an appointment! The **** they claim to have no money for but they'll arrange appointments to drive around collecting battered old bins. I've an email..... They've acknowledged my reporting of 'an abandoned bin' and an inspector is going to visit. :rolls eyes: And another email that their investigation is complete. I still have the bins. |
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says... You hear all sorts of rumours about what actually happens to the contents of recycling bins after it's carted away, the village rag has a semi-interesting article from someone who took the time to visit ... http://www.countesthorpe-herald.org/319/mobile/index.html#p=6 e.g. me being "helpful" and flattening plastic bottles and aluminium tins, turns out to be harmful. Black plastic is definitely not wanted even if it has a recycling triangle on it, etc. Why oh why can't all these local authorities get together and agree on a common policy and stick to it? So much of the information in that article is completely contrary to what we are told in Lincolnshire which, in the main, agrees with the rules of the East London Waste Authority who used to collect our rubbish and recycling. But there is still a lot of misinformation out there. All of Lincolnshire's recycling goes through the same process yet, in a recent radio interview, a councillor from Boston said that the hard plastic tops on milk bottles can't be recycled. We are told to remove the tops and place in the recycling seperately - contrary to the Braunstone directions - otherwise they have to be removed manually - but aside from the colour, the tops are made from the same HDPE as the bottle - I don't think I've seen a hard plastic top this century! -- Terry --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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In message , at 13:17:27 on Sat, 2 Feb
2019, Andy Burns remarked: One of the problems is that the bottles and caps are of different materials and the recyclers want the former, but not the latter. The trouble is that when you flatten bottles, they tend to partly spring back unless the cap is on to keep them collapsed by vacuum. What we really need is a requirement for the caps and bottles to be of compatible materials (not necessarily the same materials). You hear all sorts of rumours about what actually happens to the contents of recycling bins after it's carted away, the village rag has a semi-interesting article from someone who took the time to visit ... http://www.countesthorpe-herald.org/319/mobile/index.html#p=6 e.g. me being "helpful" and flattening plastic bottles and aluminium tins, turns out to be harmful. Black plastic is definitely not wanted even if it has a recycling triangle on it, etc. And recycling centres differ in the way they process the waste, so the article in question doesn't necessarily shed any light on even neighbouring local authority processes. Let alone why different LAs have such differing ideas on what they can and can't accept. -- Roland Perry |
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Terry Casey wrote:
a councillor from Boston said that the hard plastic tops on milk bottles can't be recycled. We are told to remove the tops and place in the recycling seperately I have known people who put collecting bags *just* for milk bottle tops, in workplace kitchens, on the grounds they think they're especially valuable as recycling material ... |
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In message , at
12:44:41 on Sun, 3 Feb 2019, Terry Casey remarked: In article , says... You hear all sorts of rumours about what actually happens to the contents of recycling bins after it's carted away, the village rag has a semi-interesting article from someone who took the time to visit ... http://www.countesthorpe-herald.org/319/mobile/index.html#p=6 e.g. me being "helpful" and flattening plastic bottles and aluminium tins, turns out to be harmful. Black plastic is definitely not wanted even if it has a recycling triangle on it, etc. Why oh why can't all these local authorities get together and agree on a common policy and stick to it? Because they all have different recycling processes, especially if they ask for pre-sorted (or do kerb-sorting). I've lived places that didn't take glass at all, for example, and said you should take it to a bottle bank. Where I live now they accept glass as a mixed recyclable, but have removed almost all the public bottle banks. One thing that leapt out at me from the newspaper article was their attitude to TetraPaks, which I have always understood needed extra-special custom processing. So much of the information in that article is completely contrary to what we are told in Lincolnshire which, in the main, agrees with the rules of the East London Waste Authority who used to collect our rubbish and recycling. That's because decisions on the cost/benefit of recycling various things are taken locally. But there is still a lot of misinformation out there. All of Lincolnshire's recycling goes through the same process yet, in a recent radio interview, a councillor from Boston said that the hard plastic tops on milk bottles can't be recycled. He could of course simply be misinformed or out of date. Or was he talking about *hard* milk bottle tops, and not the softer ones you've seen? We are told to remove the tops and place in the recycling seperately - contrary to the Braunstone directions - otherwise they have to be removed manually - but aside from the colour, the tops are made from the same HDPE as the bottle - I don't think I've seen a hard plastic top this century! The problem with drafting advice like that is (a) you are hostage to the particular plastic used by local milk sellers; but (b) worse than that normally it's felt better to have advice to apply to *all* plastic bottles, because the public's attention span doesn't necessarily run to sorting their collection of plastic bottles first by former contents, before then deciding which ones to keep/remove the tops. (c) maybe (see b above) the public would also be expected to start off by sorting their milk bottles into ones with hard/soft tops? In practice advice like this only works if you can persuade people to remove *all* bottle tops (and sort them yourself later), or introduce a process of the public keeping them all, and the processing plant automatically removing them. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 13:06:24 on Sun, 3 Feb
2019, Andy Burns remarked: a councillor from Boston said that the hard plastic tops on milk bottles can't be recycled. We are told to remove the tops and place in the recycling seperately I have known people who put collecting bags *just* for milk bottle tops, in workplace kitchens, on the grounds they think they're especially valuable as recycling material ... Perhaps they've forgotten it was the tin-foil ones people collected for Blue Peter? But I see people do collect the plastic ones as a way of funding guide dogs for the blind. 70,000 bin bags full for one dog, apparently. -- Roland Perry |
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Andy Burns Wrote in message:
Steve Walker wrote: One of the problems is that the bottles and caps are of different materials and the recyclers want the former, but not the latter. The trouble is that when you flatten bottles, they tend to partly spring back unless the cap is on to keep them collapsed by vacuum. What we really need is a requirement for the caps and bottles to be of compatible materials (not necessarily the same materials). You hear all sorts of rumours about what actually happens to the contents of recycling bins after it's carted away, the village rag has a semi-interesting article from someone who took the time to visit ... http://www.countesthorpe-herald.org/319/mobile/index.html#p=6 e.g. me being "helpful" and flattening plastic bottles and aluminium tins, turns out to be harmful. Black plastic is definitely not wanted even if it has a recycling triangle on it, etc. [you probably want to shield your eyes from Mrs Santa over the page] :-D No wonder we're supposed to be fast asleep.... -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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