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"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 12/01/2019 15:34, Marland wrote:
tim... tims_

it was spoiling by Remoaners that has cost us a decent leave deal, not
bickering amongst Leavers, most of whom want the same thing.

lies, fantasies and false promises. They have effectively self
destructed.

Nonsense

There is a decent Leave deal to be had if we had pursued that line
unencumbered by trying to satisfy the wish of the elites who wanted
BrINO
all along.



Whatever spin you put on it to make yourself feel better it doesn’t hide
the fact that those political leaders
who advocated Brexit that many who wished to leave the EU put their
trust
in ,are unlikely to deliver the result people like you wanted.


Most people who voted for Brexit knew that resorting to WTO tariffs was a
possibility.

If there is a another referendum and the result reverse3d, then I can see
both Labour and Tories votes decimated by an invigorated UKIP led by
Farage.


Cant see that myself given that its now been stupid enough
to welcome that fool Robinson. Cant see to many voting for
them now, even if a second referendum does vote to stay.

I can't even see Farage returning to ukip and kicking those out.

In short there will be greater political Mayhem than Teresa could ever
imagine.





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On 12/01/2019 13:47, tim... wrote:


"TimW" wrote in message
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I am not reading Harry's crappy right wing linkss, but I would like to
say I am really pleased with the way the bexit fiasco is unfolding. I
find myself becoming optimistic and hopeful for the future again. I see
only two or three possible outcomes now, least liked first:

The May deal by some unpredictable fluke gets through.
An election and the Labour party delay before introducing an even
softer brexit.


what if Labour do not win that election (note that doesn't mean that the
Tories will win instead)

how is the problem solved (This distinct possibly of this happing is
exactly why there WONT be an early election)



I don't have a crystal ball but the prospects for the Tories are pretty
bleak: hopelessly divided by brexit, **** economy, really nothing acheived
while they have ballsed everything up. even if labour don't win a majority
the smaller parties who will enter into coalition with them are Libdem and
SNP and both of them will make the same demand which will be BIN BREXIT.
So there's a good chance there.


Not when SNP have proclaimed that they wont have
anything to do with a coalition with Labour and given
that its still Labour policy to brexit.

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"TimW" wrote in message
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On 12/01/2019 15:50, Fredxx wrote:
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If there is a another referendum and the result reverse3d, then I can see
both Labour and Tories votes decimated by an invigorated UKIP led by
Farage. In short there will be greater political Mayhem than Teresa could
ever imagine.


My feeling is that Brexit is yesterday's failed project now.


Not when a no deal brexit is what happens if parliament
cant agree to another referendum or to revoke Article 50.

Nothing will reinvigorate ukip.


Correct, but its certainly possible the Leave will replace it.

All the arguements for brexit have been knocked down and discredited.


That is just another bare faced lie.

There may be a hardcore of nationalist right wing nutters left shouting
'leave means leave' but really not enough to cause anything like mayhem.


There doesn’t need to be given the a no deal brexit
is completely automatic if parliament can't agree to
revoke Article 50 or to have another referendum.

You remoaners are ****ed. Hilarious.

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On 12/01/2019 17:07, Rod Speed wrote:

If there is a general election
and Labour does get to the govt, Barnier will tell Corbyn
to go and **** himself and there will still be just the choice between
what the EU has already said that they
will agree to and a no deal brexit ... no deal brexit will happen


In October donald Tusk said:
"From the very beginning, the EU offer has been a Canada+++ deal.
Much further-reaching on trade, internal security and foreign policy
cooperation. This is a true measure of respect. And this offer remains
in place."

I think the offer is still in place

I await your apology

TW
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TimW wrote
Rod Speed wrote


If there is a general election and Labour does get to the govt, Barnier
will tell Corbyn to go and **** himself and there will still be just the
choice between what the EU has already said that they will agree to and a
no deal brexit ... no deal brexit will happen


In October donald Tusk said:
"From the very beginning, the EU offer has been a Canada+++ deal.


That was always a bare faced lie. There is no exit fee with the Canada
'deal'

Much further-reaching on trade,


That’s another lie. The Canada deal isnt much further
reaching on trade than being a member of the EU.

internal security and foreign policy cooperation.


Ditto.

But only with the UK agreeing to continue to allow
the EU to tell it how things must be done in the UK
and with the freedom of movement of EUians which
just happens to be what most leavers don’t want.

And a hard border with Eire.

This is a true measure of respect.


Another bare faced lie.

And this offer remains in place."


I think the offer is still in place


It likely is, but even May isnt actually
stupid enough to accept it.

I await your apology


Hold your breath. No please, that’s an order.



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"Marland" wrote in message
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tim... tims_

it was spoiling by Remoaners that has cost us a decent leave deal, not
bickering amongst Leavers, most of whom want the same thing.

lies, fantasies and false promises. They have effectively self
destructed.


Nonsense

There is a decent Leave deal to be had if we had pursued that line
unencumbered by trying to satisfy the wish of the elites who wanted BrINO
all along.



Whatever spin you put on it to make yourself feel better it doesn’t hide
the fact that those political leaders
who advocated Brexit that many who wished to leave the EU put their trust
in ,are unlikely to deliver the result people like you wanted.


The problem is, as I have already said

that the Lever process was subverted by remainers.

That is
either poor judgement or ignorance or **** poor planning by people like
you


I'm just a voter, how can I plan anything here?

for depending on people who were not up to the job or were on personal
crusades.
You should have waited till the case to leave was stronger


The chance of the EU referendum comes along once in a blue moon. you take
it when it arrives

tim



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On 12/01/2019 20:20, Rod Speed wrote:
TimW wrote
Rod Speed wrote


If there is a general election and Labour does get to the govt,
Barnier will tell Corbyn to go and **** himself and there will still
be just the choice between what the EU has already said that they
will agree to and a no deal brexit ...* no deal brexit will happen


In October donald Tusk said:
* "From the very beginning, the EU offer has been a Canada+++ deal.


That was always a bare faced lie. There is no exit fee with the Canada
'deal'

Much further-reaching on trade,


That’s another lie. The Canada deal isnt much further
reaching on trade than being a member of the EU.

internal security and foreign policy cooperation.


Ditto.

But only with the UK agreeing to continue to allow
the EU to tell it how things must be done in the UK
and with the freedom of movement of EUians which
just happens to be what most leavers don’t want.

And a hard border with Eire.

This is a true measure of respect.


Another bare faced lie.

And this offer remains in place."


I think the offer is still in place


It likely is, but even May isnt actually
stupid enough to accept it.

I await your apology


Hold your breath. No please, that’s an order.


You are clearly struggling to follow. A Labour gov could accept Tusk's
previous offer - an even softer brexit a la Canada+++. Nothing to do
with May or chequers and even less concession to the leavers. Contrary
to your assertion that after an election there would be no deal other
than the existing.

I await your apology

TW
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 20:25:41 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:
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The chance of the EU referendum comes along once in a blue moon.


And what stops that being at any time in the future, potentially when
more than just 1/3rd of the electorate want it?

you take
it when it arrives


What, 'just because', no matter how inappropriate it might be or how
much it might cost everyone?

"Oh look, a side road, let's take it because there might not be
another one ... (even though the road you are currently on and have
used for 40 years was still serving it's purpose for the majority
pretty well)."

You are fanatically desperate to swap our cow for some magic beans but
you have no idea what dark magic might be present when you try to
actually use them ... or find the trick might not work at all ...

Cheers, T i m
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"TimW" wrote in message
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On 12/01/2019 20:20, Rod Speed wrote:
TimW wrote
Rod Speed wrote


If there is a general election and Labour does get to the govt, Barnier
will tell Corbyn to go and **** himself and there will still be just
the choice between what the EU has already said that they will agree to
and a no deal brexit ... no deal brexit will happen


In October donald Tusk said:
"From the very beginning, the EU offer has been a Canada+++ deal.


That was always a bare faced lie. There is no exit fee with the Canada
'deal'

Much further-reaching on trade,


That’s another lie. The Canada deal isnt much further
reaching on trade than being a member of the EU.

internal security and foreign policy cooperation.


Ditto.

But only with the UK agreeing to continue to allow
the EU to tell it how things must be done in the UK
and with the freedom of movement of EUians which
just happens to be what most leavers don’t want.

And a hard border with Eire.

This is a true measure of respect.


Another bare faced lie.

And this offer remains in place."


I think the offer is still in place


It likely is, but even May isnt actually
stupid enough to accept it.

I await your apology


Hold your breath. No please, that’s an order.


You are clearly struggling to follow.


We'll see...

A Labour gov could accept Tusk's previous offer


I doubt it given that Tusk's offer requires the EU to tell the UK
what it has to do policy wise and to retain the free movement of
EUians that is what most of the leavers want to see the end of.

an even softer brexit a la Canada+++.

? Nothing to do with May or chequers

Correct.

and even less concession to the leavers.


That’s the problem with the free movement of EUians alone.
Yes, far fewer leavers care about the EU still deciding policy,
they plenty enough to make Tusk's offer unacceptable.

Contrary to your assertion that after an election there would be no deal
other than the existing.


I was talking about Corbyn's silly claim that he
would be able to get more out of Barnier than
May could. That’s just another silly fantasy.

I await your apology


Hold your breath. No please, that’s an order.


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On 12/01/2019 23:04, Rod Speed wrote:


I was talking about Corbyn's silly claim that he
would be able to get more out of Barnier than
May could.


Oh. No wonder you made no sense. You were talking about something in
your own head that hadn't even been mentioned in the thread

That’s just another silly fantasy.

LOL and ROFLMAO. Your own.


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