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On 11/01/2019 12:38, Tim Streater wrote:
Given the ratio of sand to cement, they'll turn the handle of the calculation sausage machine, and out will come that they need 10,000 tons of cement and 250 grams of sand to build the next house. Even if the correct amount of sand, ballast or cement is delivered the person shoveling the the different materials into the mixer will be the thicko labourer who failed the education system and cannot get a better job. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 11/01/2019 13:02, NY wrote:
Definitely. If we'd been born with 12 digits, we'd have learned to count in base 12, and we'd have invented two extra symbols for what in base 10 we write as 11 and 12. I can do base 16 arithmetic more easily than base 12, and that's partly because there's only ever one digit (numeric or letter) in each column. Possibly based on the industry you are working in? I was (am) a electronic hardware designer and used base 16 extensively. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 11/01/2019 11:49, alan_m wrote:
On 11/01/2019 11:03, FMurtz wrote: Rod Speed wrote: "FMurtz" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "FMurtz" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "alan_m" wrote in message Was it ever 2" x 4"? Always was and still is here. Always been 4 be 2 here. I just posed the question in Australian woodwork Forums (which is full of woodwork people and carpenters) and overwhelmingly 4x2 (only one dissenter) But are the actual dimensions of what you buy 4 inches by 2 inches?Â* In my experience over 40+ of purchasing wood for DIY it has always been smaller, albeit sold as 4x2. Doesn't the 4x2 refer to the *sawn* size, and planed wood is always less? -- Max Demian |
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"FMurtz" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "FMurtz" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "FMurtz" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "alan_m" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:54, soup wrote: My favourite is 4 X 2 wood (nominally 4 inches by 2 inches) yet sold in metre lengths so you get things like :- Was it ever 2" x 4"? Always was and still is here. Always been 4 be 2 here. Bull****. In my circle I have never heard 2x4 from anyone but yanks Then you need a new circle, bad. I just posed the question in Australian woodwork Forums (which is full of woodwork people and carpenters) and overwhelmingly 4x2 (only one dissenter) Whoops, sorry, I had a massive brain fart there. |
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"alan_m" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:54, soup wrote: My favourite is 4 X 2 wood (nominally 4 inches by 2 inches) yet sold in metre lengths so you get things like :- Was it ever 2" x 4"? my carpenter tradesperson, who can't be over 35, calls 50 by 50mm - 2 by 2 tim |
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On 11/01/2019 10:59, newshound wrote:
And credit for being prepared to spend a bit more. This one has his own cordless Dewalt SDS, combi and impact driver set. And I can assure you that his parents did not pay for it. A third year (so only 3 months into his third year) that can easily do a rewire or a new build pretty much on his own. -- Adam |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... On 11/01/2019 10:59, newshound wrote: And credit for being prepared to spend a bit more. This one has his own cordless Dewalt SDS, combi and impact driver set. And I can assure you that his parents did not pay for it. A third year (so only 3 months into his third year) that can easily do a rewire or a new build pretty much on his own. currently spending time with trades, I have to say that sparky looks like the best choice for people who are minded to consider trades in the first place It's relative clean and warm job and it pays reasonably well. I paid my sparky the same for 3 man days work as the kitchen fitters got for 12, admittedly that did include materials, whereas I paid extra for the kitchen tim -- Adam |
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writes On 11/01/2019 13:02, NY wrote: Definitely. If we'd been born with 12 digits, we'd have learned to count in base 12, and we'd have invented two extra symbols for what in base 10 we write as 11 and 12. I can do base 16 arithmetic more easily than base 12, and that's partly because there's only ever one digit (numeric or letter) in each column. Possibly based on the industry you are working in? I was (am) a electronic hardware designer and used base 16 extensively. It was computers wot did it. -- bert |
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On Friday, 11 January 2019 10:16:50 UTC, NY wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message ... If they've got to 16 or 18 without realising there are imperial measurements, I doubt they're about to get any knowledge anywhere. I can imagine that nowadays, the imperial system is dismissed with a few throwaway phrases like "Years ago, there used to be other units called feet, inches, ounces, pounds etc, but they were a pain to work with because they were related by conversion factors that weren't 10. Be aware that they exist, and be prepared to convert to/from them if necessary, but treat them as folk units." Sure, but even a clueless consumer comes across imperial units frequently on food, cosmetics, etc etc. NT |
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On Friday, 11 January 2019 10:26:23 UTC, NY wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message ... I remember that I bought some from Tandy once. There seemed to be a lot of keys I thought, and as you say, when I checked we had both imperial and metric. Obviously, Tandy being a US company had sourced sets with all the keys in all the places it sold. The keys were fine, but the way of attaching tem to the large ring they were on was cruddly a kind of coiled spring around the hex , which meant you could take them off of course, but it was a sod of a job to put them back again which in the end meant a lot of them got lost! Yes those Allen keys on springs are a pain. The best set of Allen keys I have has them all attached to a common shaft on a hand-sized handle. You fold out the one you want and have a nice big handle to use to turn it. I still use the small spring ones if I need to work in a confined space, but the ones on a handle are much easier for everything else. https://i.postimg.cc/0NwL238b/Img-1753-small.jpg (that's a photo of the Allen key set) Yes it is a real sod trying to fit Allen keys back into their springs. They're easy, just rotate the allen key one way to release it or get it back in the spring. Which way? Whichever way tends to expand the spring widthwise. NT |
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On Friday, 11 January 2019 10:28:38 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:51:20 +1100, FMurtz wrote: In my circle I have never heard 2x4 from anyone but yanks Agreed. It's that in just the same way it's not 'chips and fish' or 'brush and dustpan' (or a 'Robin Reliant'). ;-) But then the Yanks are a bit backward like that ... calling something that is obviously a liquid, 'gas'. ;-) Cheers, T i m Whereas everyone knows it's a brushpan & dust. NT |
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On Friday, 11 January 2019 13:24:41 UTC, NY wrote:
"bert" wrote in message ... I read an article recently arguing that base 12 would be better than 10 because it has more factors. Definitely. If we'd been born with 12 digits, we'd have learned to count in base 12, and we'd have invented two extra symbols for what in base 10 we write as 11 and 12. I can do base 16 arithmetic more easily than base 12, and that's partly because there's only ever one digit (numeric or letter) in each column. Decimal is trivial to divide by 2 or 5. Base 12 is trivial to divide by 6, 4, 3, 2. And that's why humans have used base 12 so much. Nothing to do with number of digits, it's not as if counting to 12 presents any difficulty to anyone. NT |
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On 11/01/2019 11:35, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Having been schooled in imperial measurements with metrication coming in during my student days, I tend to use both, imperial where I need to divide lengths in halves, quarters or eights which in metric soon ends up in measurements needing to be calculated and often involving fractions of a mm. In defence of schools teaching only metric measurements, imperial is going nowhere so why teach something that will only add to confusion. After all was it not NASA that missed Mars because someone mixed up imperial and metric, so if some of the top scientists and engineers can confuse things what chance have kids got. An awareness of imperial is needed but only in those areas of work where legacy products exist and in those cases it is beholding on the industries involved to train their operatives in the skills required. Richard I was taught only metric at school, but use both. I prefer metric for calculations, but imperial for real-world measurements. I can visualise imperial measurements better than metric and they match everyday life better (a pint or half-pint to drink, a pound of meat for a stew, etc.). Imperial also divides up nicely into 1/4s and 1/3s. SteveW |
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On 11/01/2019 12:36, bert wrote:
In article , FMurtz writes Rod Speed wrote: Â* "FMurtz" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "alan_m" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:54, soup wrote: My favourite is 4 X 2 wood (nominally 4 inches by 2 inches) yet sold in metre lengths so you get things like :- Was it ever 2" x 4"? Always was and still is here. Always been 4 be 2 here. Â*Bull****. In my circle I have never heard 2x4 from anyone but yanks Well they even get their dates wrong way round Yes. There are two sensible ways to do it: dd/mm/yy - as that give the probably most relevent unit first and the later ones can be ignored if not required. yy/mm/dd - as that sorts properly on a computer. Why on earth would mm/dd/yy make any sense at all? SteveW |
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On 11/01/2019 23:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Steve Walker wrote: On 11/01/2019 12:36, bert wrote: Well they even get their dates wrong way round Yes. There are two sensible ways to do it: dd/mm/yy - as that give the probably most relevent unit first and the later ones can be ignored if not required. This is a human-oriented date. Use for any human interaction. yy/mm/dd - as that sorts properly on a computer. A computer oriented date. Use internally if you must, personally I store all computer generated dates as seconds since the epoch. Why on earth would mm/dd/yy make any sense at all? It doesn't. I think it's because people (including us) often say, "January the 11th, 2018," and the US version is the number version of this. -- Max Demian |
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On 11/01/2019 13:45, NY wrote:
"Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . Everyone should be able to do mental arithmetic, and even more importantly, be able to quickly work out an approximate answer to a calculation, which will tell you whether your final calculation is *reasonable*. I wish I'd been taught how to do *mental* arithmetic and how to process the carry/borrow digits and to retain a mental running total. I never was: I was taught how to do it on paper, with rules for carrying/borrowing digits which I can do fine (albeit slowly and laboriously). My wife worked in a bakery as a summer job during school, so she quickly became adept at adding up prices of five doughnuts at 13p each, two loaves of bread at 27p each, 7 seven flapjacks at 17p each, *without having to write it down and add up on paper*. I marvel at that skill. You need to develop shortcuts. 5 x 13 = 50 + 15 = 65 2 x 27 = 40 + 14 or 60 - 6 = 54 65 + 54 = 110 + 9 = 119 7 x 17 = 7 x 20 - 21 or 70 + 49 = 119 119 + 119 = 120 + 120 - 2 = 238 The more you do though, the less you need the shortcuts as you begin to recognise that 2 x 27 is 54 and similar without any intermediate stage. SteveW |
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On 10/01/2019 21:23, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:08:43 +0000, ARW wrote: On 10/01/2019 19:55, T i m wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:15:24 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 10/01/19 19:10, ARW wrote: Third year apprentice (one of the best we have had) was having trouble putting the meter tails into the mains isolator on some new builds. He was having difficulty tightening up the hex screws. One answer in the office was "You have a **** set of Allen keys" In his defence he replied "They are brand new I only got them on Saturday and I paid for the most expensive of the two pairs available as I don't want **** tools" Anyone care to guess what went wrong:-)? Imperial vs metric? +1 Indeed. But at least he came in and said he had a problem. And the problem is now sorted. Obviously never heard of the word imperial before and was amazed at the markings on the tool that he had never noticed. Oh dear, how will he cope when £sd and feet inches and roods come back ? Why should they come back? If a reference to Brexit; decimalisation was before entry into the EEC and even countries like the USA are steadily moving towards metrification and SI units. |
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wrote in message ... On Friday, 11 January 2019 10:16:50 UTC, NY wrote: tabbypurr wrote in message ... If they've got to 16 or 18 without realising there are imperial measurements, I doubt they're about to get any knowledge anywhere. I can imagine that nowadays, the imperial system is dismissed with a few throwaway phrases like "Years ago, there used to be other units called feet, inches, ounces, pounds etc, but they were a pain to work with because they were related by conversion factors that weren't 10. Be aware that they exist, and be prepared to convert to/from them if necessary, but treat them as folk units." Sure, but even a clueless consumer comes across imperial units frequently on food, cosmetics, etc etc. But not much at all in an elections' line of work. |
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message ... On 11/01/2019 11:35, Tricky Dicky wrote: Having been schooled in imperial measurements with metrication coming in during my student days, I tend to use both, imperial where I need to divide lengths in halves, quarters or eights which in metric soon ends up in measurements needing to be calculated and often involving fractions of a mm. In defence of schools teaching only metric measurements, imperial is going nowhere so why teach something that will only add to confusion. After all was it not NASA that missed Mars because someone mixed up imperial and metric, so if some of the top scientists and engineers can confuse things what chance have kids got. An awareness of imperial is needed but only in those areas of work where legacy products exist and in those cases it is beholding on the industries involved to train their operatives in the skills required. I was taught only metric at school, I was taught both, metric for the hard sciences. but use both. I hardly ever use imperial anymore except where the original imperial size has just restated in metric units I prefer metric for calculations, I prefer metric for almost everything now. The main thing I still think in imperial for is the height of individuals. I dont with weight. I also think of house block sized in feet but that just because I remember mine is 150'x100' but imperial for real-world measurements. I can visualise imperial measurements better than metric and they match everyday life better (a pint or half-pint to drink, I dont with beer, think in terms of 750ml full beer bottles and what we call stubbys, 375ml although there are plenty smaller than 375ml now with the small ones and cans. Think in terms of 500ml and 1l with soft drink. a pound of meat for a stew, etc.). Exclusively KG for me. Imperial also divides up nicely into 1/4s and 1/3s. Sure, but I hardly ever need to do that. And I hate the other measures like cups, teaspoons etc. |
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message ... On 11/01/2019 12:36, bert wrote: In article , FMurtz writes Rod Speed wrote: "FMurtz" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "alan_m" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:54, soup wrote: My favourite is 4 X 2 wood (nominally 4 inches by 2 inches) yet sold in metre lengths so you get things like :- Was it ever 2" x 4"? Always was and still is here. Always been 4 be 2 here. Bull****. In my circle I have never heard 2x4 from anyone but yanks Well they even get their dates wrong way round Yes. There are two sensible ways to do it: dd/mm/yy - as that give the probably most relevent unit first and the later ones can be ignored if not required. yy/mm/dd - as that sorts properly on a computer. Why on earth would mm/dd/yy make any sense at all? Because thats the way many say dates. |
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"Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:23, Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:08:43 +0000, ARW wrote: On 10/01/2019 19:55, T i m wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:15:24 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 10/01/19 19:10, ARW wrote: Third year apprentice (one of the best we have had) was having trouble putting the meter tails into the mains isolator on some new builds. He was having difficulty tightening up the hex screws. One answer in the office was "You have a **** set of Allen keys" In his defence he replied "They are brand new I only got them on Saturday and I paid for the most expensive of the two pairs available as I don't want **** tools" Anyone care to guess what went wrong:-)? Imperial vs metric? +1 Indeed. But at least he came in and said he had a problem. And the problem is now sorted. Obviously never heard of the word imperial before and was amazed at the markings on the tool that he had never noticed. Oh dear, how will he cope when £sd and feet inches and roods come back ? Why should they come back? If a reference to Brexit; decimalisation was before entry into the EEC and even countries like the USA are steadily moving towards metrification and SI units. Not really with the units the general public uses. And they dont have much in the way of the weirder ones like roods, perches, bushels, furlongs etc. Really just grains with ammunition and bullets etc. |
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On 11/01/2019 23:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Steve Walker wrote: On 11/01/2019 12:36, bert wrote: Well they even get their dates wrong way round Yes. There are two sensible ways to do it: dd/mm/yy - as that give the probably most relevent unit first and the later ones can be ignored if not required. This is a human-oriented date. Use for any human interaction. yy/mm/dd - as that sorts properly on a computer. A computer oriented date. Use internally if you must, personally I store all computer generated dates as seconds since the epoch. Why on earth would mm/dd/yy make any sense at all? It doesn't. It does if you say a date like July 5th. Have you never used such a written format. Mind, I haven't for a long time, but hey. My preferred format for computer files is yy-mm-dd |
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On 12/01/2019 01:41, Rod Speed wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:23, Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:08:43 +0000, ARW wrote: On 10/01/2019 19:55, T i m wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:15:24 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 10/01/19 19:10, ARW wrote: Third year apprentice (one of the best we have had) was having trouble putting the meter tails into the mains isolator on some new builds. He was having difficulty tightening up the hex screws. One answer in the office was "You have a **** set of Allen keys" In his defence he replied "They are brand new I only got them on Saturday and I paid for the most expensive of the two pairs available as I don't want **** tools" Anyone care to guess what went wrong:-)? Imperial vs metric? +1 Indeed. But at least he came in and said he had a problem. And the problem is now sorted. Obviously never heard of the word imperial before and was amazed at the markings on the tool that he had never noticed. Oh dear, how will he cope when £sd and feet inches and roods come back ? Why should they come back? If a reference to Brexit; decimalisation was before entry into the EEC and even countries like the USA are steadily moving towards metrification and SI units. Not really with the units the general public uses. And they dont have much in the way of the weirder ones like roods, perches, bushels, furlongs etc.Â* Really just grains with ammunition and bullets etc. Furlongs? I thought everyone knew you get 10 cricket pitches in a furlong. |
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"FMurtz" wrote in message ... NY wrote: Yes it is a real sod trying to fit Allen keys back into their springs. Easy if you turn the right way,sort of screw them in Ah. I'll try that. Talking of tools which are a pain, how about those sets of miniature screwdrivers for jewellers and precision engineering. Firstly the blades (especially the Philips/Posidriv cross-ended ones) are made of very soft metal so they get chavelled up as you use them. Secondly, the handles are so thin and with such shallow knurls on them that you can't get a good purchase on them in your hand: Often I have to resort to a pair of pliers around the handle to undo a screw that doesn't want to budge. And you have to remember that for anything Japanese, they have special drivers JIS |
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"Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 01:41, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:23, Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:08:43 +0000, ARW wrote: On 10/01/2019 19:55, T i m wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:15:24 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 10/01/19 19:10, ARW wrote: Third year apprentice (one of the best we have had) was having trouble putting the meter tails into the mains isolator on some new builds. He was having difficulty tightening up the hex screws. One answer in the office was "You have a **** set of Allen keys" In his defence he replied "They are brand new I only got them on Saturday and I paid for the most expensive of the two pairs available as I don't want **** tools" Anyone care to guess what went wrong:-)? Imperial vs metric? +1 Indeed. But at least he came in and said he had a problem. And the problem is now sorted. Obviously never heard of the word imperial before and was amazed at the markings on the tool that he had never noticed. Oh dear, how will he cope when £sd and feet inches and roods come back ? Why should they come back? If a reference to Brexit; decimalisation was before entry into the EEC and even countries like the USA are steadily moving towards metrification and SI units. Not really with the units the general public uses. And they dont have much in the way of the weirder ones like roods, perches, bushels, furlongs etc. Really just grains with ammunition and bullets etc. Furlongs? I thought everyone knew you get 10 cricket pitches in a furlong. They dont have cricket pitches, stupid. |
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On 12/01/2019 03:12, Rod Speed wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 01:41, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:23, Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:08:43 +0000, ARW wrote: On 10/01/2019 19:55, T i m wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:15:24 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 10/01/19 19:10, ARW wrote: Third year apprentice (one of the best we have had) was having trouble putting the meter tails into the mains isolator on some new builds. He was having difficulty tightening up the hex screws. One answer in the office was "You have a **** set of Allen keys" In his defence he replied "They are brand new I only got them on Saturday and I paid for the most expensive of the two pairs available as I don't want **** tools" Anyone care to guess what went wrong:-)? Imperial vs metric? +1 Indeed. But at least he came in and said he had a problem. And the problem is now sorted. Obviously never heard of the word imperial before and was amazed at the markings on the tool that he had never noticed. Oh dear, how will he cope when £sd and feet inches and roods come back ? Why should they come back? If a reference to Brexit; decimalisation was before entry into the EEC and even countries like the USA are steadily moving towards metrification and SI units. Not really with the units the general public uses. And they dont have much in the way of the weirder ones like roods, perches, bushels, furlongs etc.Â* Really just grains with ammunition and bullets etc. Furlongs? I thought everyone knew you get 10 cricket pitches in a furlong. They dont have cricket pitches, stupid. You probably don't, however this is a UK group and we do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_pitch What a plonker. |
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"Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 03:12, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 01:41, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:23, Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:08:43 +0000, ARW wrote: On 10/01/2019 19:55, T i m wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:15:24 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 10/01/19 19:10, ARW wrote: Third year apprentice (one of the best we have had) was having trouble putting the meter tails into the mains isolator on some new builds. He was having difficulty tightening up the hex screws. One answer in the office was "You have a **** set of Allen keys" In his defence he replied "They are brand new I only got them on Saturday and I paid for the most expensive of the two pairs available as I don't want **** tools" Anyone care to guess what went wrong:-)? Imperial vs metric? +1 Indeed. But at least he came in and said he had a problem. And the problem is now sorted. Obviously never heard of the word imperial before and was amazed at the markings on the tool that he had never noticed. Oh dear, how will he cope when £sd and feet inches and roods come back ? Why should they come back? If a reference to Brexit; decimalisation was before entry into the EEC and even countries like the USA are steadily moving towards metrification and SI units. Not really with the units the general public uses. And they dont have much in the way of the weirder ones like roods, perches, bushels, furlongs etc. Really just grains with ammunition and bullets etc. Furlongs? I thought everyone knew you get 10 cricket pitches in a furlong. They dont have cricket pitches, stupid. You probably don't, however this is a UK group and we do. Pity that post is discussing what the USA does units wise. What a plonker. Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it, ****wit. |
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On 12/01/2019 03:59, Rod Speed wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 03:12, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 01:41, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:23, Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:08:43 +0000, ARW wrote: On 10/01/2019 19:55, T i m wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:15:24 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 10/01/19 19:10, ARW wrote: Third year apprentice (one of the best we have had) was having trouble putting the meter tails into the mains isolator on some new builds. He was having difficulty tightening up the hex screws. One answer in the office was "You have a **** set of Allen keys" In his defence he replied "They are brand new I only got them on Saturday and I paid for the most expensive of the two pairs available as I don't want **** tools" Anyone care to guess what went wrong:-)? Imperial vs metric? +1 Indeed. But at least he came in and said he had a problem. And the problem is now sorted. Obviously never heard of the word imperial before and was amazed at the markings on the tool that he had never noticed. Oh dear, how will he cope when £sd and feet inches and roods come back ? Why should they come back? If a reference to Brexit; decimalisation was before entry into the EEC and even countries like the USA are steadily moving towards metrification and SI units. Not really with the units the general public uses. And they dont have much in the way of the weirder ones like roods, perches, bushels, furlongs etc.Â* Really just grains with ammunition and bullets etc. Furlongs? I thought everyone knew you get 10 cricket pitches in a furlong. They dont have cricket pitches, stupid. You probably don't, however this is a UK group and we do. Pity that post is discussing what the USA does units wise. Are you ****ed? The discussion was about a UK apprentice using Allen/hex keys bought in the UK used on metric equipment and then some kind of reversion to £sd and feet inches and roods. What a plonker. Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it, ****wit. The only ****wit here is the one who thinks I have a signature. You give P.Hucker a good name. At least he can't afford drink. |
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"Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 03:59, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 03:12, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 01:41, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:23, Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:08:43 +0000, ARW wrote: On 10/01/2019 19:55, T i m wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:15:24 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 10/01/19 19:10, ARW wrote: Third year apprentice (one of the best we have had) was having trouble putting the meter tails into the mains isolator on some new builds. He was having difficulty tightening up the hex screws. One answer in the office was "You have a **** set of Allen keys" In his defence he replied "They are brand new I only got them on Saturday and I paid for the most expensive of the two pairs available as I don't want **** tools" Anyone care to guess what went wrong:-)? Imperial vs metric? +1 Indeed. But at least he came in and said he had a problem. And the problem is now sorted. Obviously never heard of the word imperial before and was amazed at the markings on the tool that he had never noticed. Oh dear, how will he cope when £sd and feet inches and roods come back ? Why should they come back? If a reference to Brexit; decimalisation was before entry into the EEC and even countries like the USA are steadily moving towards metrification and SI units. Not really with the units the general public uses. And they dont have much in the way of the weirder ones like roods, perches, bushels, furlongs etc. Really just grains with ammunition and bullets etc. Furlongs? I thought everyone knew you get 10 cricket pitches in a furlong. They dont have cricket pitches, stupid. You probably don't, however this is a UK group and we do. Pity that post is discussing what the USA does units wise. Are you ****ed? No point in asking you if you are ****ed and drug crazed. the answer is obvious. The discussion was about a UK apprentice using Allen/hex keys bought in the UK used on metric equipment and then some kind of reversion to £sd and feet inches and roods. If you werent actually ****ed and drug crazed, even a terminal ****wit such as yourself should have noticed that the particular post I chose to comment on had moved on from that to discussing what happens in the USA. What a plonker. Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it, ****wit. reams of your even sillier ****wit **** flushed where it belongs |
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On 11/01/2019 19:40, tim... wrote:
"ARW" wrote in message ... On 11/01/2019 10:59, newshound wrote: And credit for being prepared to spend a bit more. This one has his own cordless Dewalt SDS, combi and impact driver set. And I can assure you that his parents did not pay for it. A third year (so only 3 months into his third year) that can easily do a rewire or a new build pretty much on his own. currently spending time with trades, I have to say that sparky looks like the best choice for people who are minded to consider trades in the first place It's relative clean and warm job and it pays reasonably well.Â* I paid my sparky the same for 3 man days work as the kitchen fitters got for 12, admittedly that did include materials, whereas I paid extra for the kitchen If that is what you think then you are totally wrong. I often come home so dirty that I need a shower before I am clean enough to have a bath (you need the bath to soak out the rest of the dirt). In winter despite wearing thermal clothing sometimes I need an hour to defrost. In fact if I know I am going to be cold then I often drive to work with the van heater on low. Try pulling in SWA or fitting lampposts outside when it is ****ing it down or snowing. Second year apprentice quit yesterday because he could not cope with the dirt/dust/cold and he has not even done a proper dirty job or worked through a cold winter. -- Adam |
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On Friday, 11 January 2019 23:25:09 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
it's not as if counting to 12 presents any difficulty to anyone. It does if you count on your fingers. Base 10 doesn't really make sense with fingers. It should be base 11. 10 fingers then carry. If you want to do base 12, borrow a couple of ears or eyes. Owain |
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Lonely Psychotic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert! LOL
On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 12:33:08 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: I was LOL I hardly LOL I prefer LOL I also LOL I can LOL You still wondering why you got NOBODY to talk to in real life, you senile nutter? LOL -- about senile Rot Speed: "This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage." MID: |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 12:35:15 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Yes. There are two sensible ways to do it: dd/mm/yy - as that give the probably most relevent unit first and the later ones can be ignored if not required. yy/mm/dd - as that sorts properly on a computer. Why on earth would mm/dd/yy make any sense at all? Because that¢s the way many say dates. TWO people answered that already earlier, senile Rot! Just what makes you "think" that an answer only becomes valid once YOU confirm it? What does your psychiatrist have to say about this? -- Norman Wells addressing senile Rot: "Ah, the voice of scum speaks." MID: |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:34:35 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 03:59, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 03:12, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2019 01:41, Rod Speed wrote: "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 10/01/2019 21:23, Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:08:43 +0000, ARW wrote: On 10/01/2019 19:55, T i m wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:15:24 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 10/01/19 19:10, ARW wrote: Third year apprentice (one of the best we have had) was having trouble putting the meter tails into the mains isolator on some new builds. He was having difficulty tightening up the hex screws. One answer in the office was "You have a **** set of Allen keys" In his defence he replied "They are brand new I only got them on Saturday and I paid for the most expensive of the two pairs available as I don't want **** tools" Anyone care to guess what went wrong:-)? Imperial vs metric? +1 Indeed. But at least he came in and said he had a problem. And the problem is now sorted. Obviously never heard of the word imperial before and was amazed at the markings on the tool that he had never noticed. Oh dear, how will he cope when £sd and feet inches and roods come back ? Why should they come back? If a reference to Brexit; decimalisation was before entry into the EEC and even countries like the USA are steadily moving towards metrification and SI units. Not really with the units the general public uses. And they don¢t have much in the way of the weirder ones like roods, perches, bushels, furlongs etc. Really just grains with ammunition and bullets etc. Furlongs? I thought everyone knew you get 10 cricket pitches in a furlong. They don¢t have cricket pitches, stupid. You probably don't, however this is a UK group and we do. Pity that post is discussing what the USA does units wise. Are you ****ed? No point in asking you if you are ****ed and drug crazed. the answer is obvious. The discussion was about a UK apprentice using Allen/hex keys bought in the UK used on metric equipment and then some kind of reversion to £sd and feet inches and roods. If you werent actually ****ed and drug crazed, even a terminal ****wit such as yourself should have noticed that the particular post I chose to comment on had moved on from that to discussing what happens in the USA. What a plonker. Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it, ****wit. reams of your even sillier ****wit **** flushed where it belongs Feeling better again, you abnormal cantankerous senile Ozzie troll? Admit it, trolling is the ONLY thing for you that makes you feel ANYTHING AT ALL! G -- The Natural Philosopher about senile Rot: "Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole." Message-ID: |
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On 11/01/2019 22:53, Steve Walker wrote:
a stew, etc.). Imperial also divides up nicely into 1/4s and 1/3s. SteveW What's different about 1/3 kg and 1/3 pound? You should be able to handle either with ease. Ones 333.333333* grams and the other is 6.6666* ounces. |
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Steve Walker wrote: I was taught only metric at school, but use both. I prefer metric for calculations, but imperial for real-world measurements. I can visualise imperial measurements better than metric and they match everyday life better (a pint or half-pint to drink, a pound of meat for a stew, etc.). Imperial also divides up nicely into 1/4s and 1/3s. Quite. Despite trying to convert, I still find yards feet and inches easier to use for DIY round the house than metric. I reckon it interfaces with the human brain better. Of course those who've only ever used metric wouldn't understand this. -- *Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 12/01/2019 02:09, Fredxx wrote:
Furlongs? I thought everyone knew you get 10 cricket pitches in a furlong. You mean wickets not pitches. A cricket oval is somewhat larger than a chain. Just shows how confusing the old stuff was. |
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dennis@home wrote:
On 11/01/2019 22:53, Steve Walker wrote: a stew, etc.). Imperial also divides up nicely into 1/4s and 1/3s. SteveW What's different about 1/3 kg and 1/3 pound? You should be able to handle either with ease. Ones 333.333333* grams and the other is 6.6666* ounces. You seem to be thinking of pints rather than pounds! -- Roger Hayter |
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