Hi all,

I've seen mention here of 'Wera' screwdrivers and saw a set at
Homebase whilst looking for a good fit screwdriver for some laptop
screws the other day.

It seems a 'good' Philips No1 fits these screws, as can some Philips
No0 drivers, but not all.

My test being does the screw stay on the tip of the driver when it's
held near horizontal (non-magnetic).

As a starting point, this Wera KK60 set I saw only goes down to a Ph
No1 but I don't know if the tip of that would be small enough to fit
these laptop screws and so wondered if they did a smaller (sized tip)
set for finer work and if so what (do the panel recommend) and do they
typically fit nicely in these screws please (so likely you would have
to have used them on a laptop to know)?

(I would be happy to have a range of other tips in similarly small
sizes if they were likely to be good and last etc).

Cheers, T i m

On 26/12/2018 21:05, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I've seen mention here of 'Wera' screwdrivers and saw a set at
Homebase whilst looking for a good fit screwdriver for some laptop
screws the other day.

It seems a 'good' Philips No1 fits these screws, as can some Philips
No0 drivers, but not all.

My test being does the screw stay on the tip of the driver when it's
held near horizontal (non-magnetic).

As a starting point, this Wera KK60 set I saw only goes down to a Ph
No1 but I don't know if the tip of that would be small enough to fit
these laptop screws and so wondered if they did a smaller (sized tip)
set for finer work and if so what (do the panel recommend) and do they
typically fit nicely in these screws please (so likely you would have
to have used them on a laptop to know)?

(I would be happy to have a range of other tips in similarly small
sizes if they were likely to be good and last etc).

Cheers, T i m


If you are doing laptops, you need to be aware that there is a Japanese
cross-point screw standard that is different to both Phillips and Pozidrive.

Good quality bits and sufficiently magnetic chucks are two separate issues.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 22:36:35 +0000, newshound
wrote:

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If you are doing laptops, you need to be aware that there is a Japanese
cross-point screw standard that is different to both Phillips and Pozidrive.

(Ah, that makes a lot of sense re why it seems quite hard to find a
std Ph/Po bit that fits nicely).

Good quality bits and sufficiently magnetic chucks are two separate issues.

Understood.

So, any idea where we get one of these Japanese bits from please,
other than 'Japan' that is? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 22:56:43 +0000, T i m wrote:

So, any idea where we get one of these Japanese bits from please,
other than 'Japan' that is? ;-)

JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) screwdrivers are usually available
on EBay. Filing the tip of a Phillips (NOT Posidrive) a tad often
produces an acceptable fit especially at smaller sixes.

(make sure you use a metric tad, not an imperial one).

On 26/12/2018 22:56, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 22:36:35 +0000, newshound
wrote:

snip

If you are doing laptops, you need to be aware that there is a Japanese
cross-point screw standard that is different to both Phillips and Pozidrive.

(Ah, that makes a lot of sense re why it seems quite hard to find a
std Ph/Po bit that fits nicely).

Good quality bits and sufficiently magnetic chucks are two separate issues.

Understood.

So, any idea where we get one of these Japanese bits from please,
other than 'Japan' that is? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

eBay, Amazon. You could just Google "Japanese Screwdrivers".

T i m Wrote in message:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 22:36:35 +0000, newshound
wrote:

snip

If you are doing laptops, you need to be aware that there is a Japanese
cross-point screw standard that is different to both Phillips and Pozidrive.

(Ah, that makes a lot of sense re why it seems quite hard to find a
std Ph/Po bit that fits nicely).

Good quality bits and sufficiently magnetic chucks are two separate issues.

Understood.

So, any idea where we get one of these Japanese bits from please,
other than 'Japan' that is? ;-)

Cheers, T i m



Mmmm now let's think it through for a moment....

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T i m wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 22:36:35 +0000, newshound
wrote:

snip

If you are doing laptops, you need to be aware that there is a Japanese
cross-point screw standard that is different to both Phillips and Pozidrive.

(Ah, that makes a lot of sense re why it seems quite hard to find a
std Ph/Po bit that fits nicely).

Good quality bits and sufficiently magnetic chucks are two separate issues.

Understood.

So, any idea where we get one of these Japanese bits from please,
other than 'Japan' that is? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Put JIS screwdrivers in to ebay

T i m wrote:

It seems a 'good' Philips No1 fits these screws, as can some Philips
No0 drivers, but not all.

Lookout for Japanese JIS screwdrivers, though I have a set that goes
down from Philips1 to Phillips000 and never found anything in a laptop
it can't tackle

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 23:07:32 +0000, Peter Parry
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 22:56:43 +0000, T i m wrote:

So, any idea where we get one of these Japanese bits from please,
other than 'Japan' that is? ;-)

JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) screwdrivers are usually available
on EBay.

Ok thanks, I'll have a rummage.

Filing the tip of a Phillips (NOT Posidrive) a tad often
produces an acceptable fit especially at smaller sixes.

Yes, that's sorta what I felt I needed, a Ph0 that was slightly
'fuller' or a Ph1 that had a good point on it (and what I already have
and that generally do the job ok).

(make sure you use a metric tad, not an imperial one).

;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 08:25:27 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

T i m wrote:

It seems a 'good' Philips No1 fits these screws, as can some Philips
No0 drivers, but not all.

Lookout for Japanese JIS screwdrivers,

Ok.

though I have a set that goes
down from Philips1 to Phillips000 and never found anything in a laptop
it can't tackle

No, quite, I have always managed but felt there might be a better
solution (hence the reference to my intended use in the question).

In many cases the Xhead driver on my Leatherman will remove the base
screws on a laptop with no damage [1] (as it seem to have a fairly
fine tip) but not always (nor is it particularly fast / nice to use as
the screwdriver is offset from the centre).

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Can we assume all laptops are made in the Far East and therefore
would use JIS head screws? I ask as I believe I have had varying
results with different (apparent) makes of laptop?

[1] Ideally you wouldn't be able to tell that the laptop had been
apart because there would be no sign of use on the screw heads (even
if they were tight).

On 27/12/2018 10:49, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 08:25:27 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

T i m wrote:

It seems a 'good' Philips No1 fits these screws, as can some Philips
No0 drivers, but not all.

Lookout for Japanese JIS screwdrivers,

Ok.

though I have a set that goes
down from Philips1 to Phillips000 and never found anything in a laptop
it can't tackle

No, quite, I have always managed but felt there might be a better
solution (hence the reference to my intended use in the question).

In many cases the Xhead driver on my Leatherman will remove the base
screws on a laptop with no damage [1] (as it seem to have a fairly
fine tip) but not always (nor is it particularly fast / nice to use as
the screwdriver is offset from the centre).

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Can we assume all laptops are made in the Far East and therefore
would use JIS head screws? I ask as I believe I have had varying
results with different (apparent) makes of laptop?

[1] Ideally you wouldn't be able to tell that the laptop had been
apart because there would be no sign of use on the screw heads (even
if they were tight).


You'll possibly find this of interest:
https://www.instructables.com/id/Whe...ot-a-Phillips/

On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:34:45 +0000, Richard
wrote:

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You'll possibly find this of interest:
https://www.instructables.com/id/Whe...ot-a-Phillips/

Skimmed and bookmarked, thanks.

Cheers, T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 08:25:27 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

T i m wrote:

It seems a 'good' Philips No1 fits these screws, as can some Philips
No0 drivers, but not all.

Lookout for Japanese JIS screwdrivers,

Ok.

though I have a set that goes
down from Philips1 to Phillips000 and never found anything in a laptop
it can't tackle

No, quite, I have always managed but felt there might be a better
solution (hence the reference to my intended use in the question).

In many cases the Xhead driver on my Leatherman will remove the base
screws on a laptop with no damage [1] (as it seem to have a fairly
fine tip) but not always (nor is it particularly fast / nice to use as
the screwdriver is offset from the centre).

p.s. Can we assume all laptops are made in the Far East

Not quite 100%, there are a few that arent.

and therefore would use JIS head screws?

Not clear that they all are, particularly
those made in china, tiawan, thailand etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ves#JIS_B_1012

I ask as I believe I have had varying results
with different (apparent) makes of laptop?

[1] Ideally you wouldn't be able to tell that the laptop
had been apart because there would be no sign of use
? on the screw heads (even if they were tight).

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03:42 am in Australia? And you are busy trolling again, senile Rot? Did
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