All this talk of smoke detectors in kitchens reminded me of something I saw in
the US: an automatic retrofit fire extinguisher for domestic use.

Two small tins are stuck to the bottom of the extractor hood with magnets.
Something that looks like the fuse of a firecracker sticks out the bottom of
each. A grease fire lights the fuse, and this causes a load of extinguishing
powder (baking soda?) to be dumped. Cost is ~45 US dollars a pair...

https://youtu.be/AEFXQsKb9DQ


While it is not a cure-all (for instance, it's "not for gas ranges"), it is a
simple solution, cheap, a false alarm not more damage that a considerable mess,
and overall something I would like to have thought up myself.


Thomas Prufer

On 07/12/2018 14:10, Thomas Prufer wrote:
All this talk of smoke detectors in kitchens reminded me of something I saw in
the US: an automatic retrofit fire extinguisher for domestic use.

Two small tins are stuck to the bottom of the extractor hood with magnets.
Something that looks like the fuse of a firecracker sticks out the bottom of
each. A grease fire lights the fuse, and this causes a load of extinguishing
powder (baking soda?) to be dumped. Cost is ~45 US dollars a pair...

https://youtu.be/AEFXQsKb9DQ

Wouldn't it be easier to own a normal domestic fire extinguisher. The
main thing to remember is aim low to hit the base of the fire and the
first time you ever use one be prepared for the *LOUD NOISE*.

While it is not a cure-all (for instance, it's "not for gas ranges"), it is a
simple solution, cheap, a false alarm not more damage that a considerable mess,
and overall something I would like to have thought up myself.

Chip pan fires can be relatively easily smothered but are utterly lethal
if you make the mistake of adding water. The Fire Brigade do an
impressive travelling show of how to and how *NOT* to do it.

The latter being far more entertaining to watch.

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Martin Brown

On Friday, 7 December 2018 14:47:25 UTC, Martin Brown wrote:
On 07/12/2018 14:10, Thomas Prufer wrote:
All this talk of smoke detectors in kitchens reminded me of something I saw in
the US: an automatic retrofit fire extinguisher for domestic use.

Two small tins are stuck to the bottom of the extractor hood with magnets.
Something that looks like the fuse of a firecracker sticks out the bottom of
each. A grease fire lights the fuse, and this causes a load of extinguishing
powder (baking soda?) to be dumped. Cost is ~45 US dollars a pair...

https://youtu.be/AEFXQsKb9DQ

Wouldn't it be easier to own a normal domestic fire extinguisher. The
main thing to remember is aim low to hit the base of the fire and the
first time you ever use one be prepared for the *LOUD NOISE*.

While it is not a cure-all (for instance, it's "not for gas ranges"), it is a
simple solution, cheap, a false alarm not more damage that a considerable mess,
and overall something I would like to have thought up myself.

Chip pan fires can be relatively easily smothered but are utterly lethal
if you make the mistake of adding water. The Fire Brigade do an
impressive travelling show of how to and how *NOT* to do it.

The latter being far more entertaining to watch.

The best thing for chip pans is a fire blanket.
Does anybody have chip pans these days?

On 07/12/2018 14:10, Thomas Prufer wrote:
All this talk of smoke detectors in kitchens reminded me of something I saw in
the US: an automatic retrofit fire extinguisher for domestic use.

Two small tins are stuck to the bottom of the extractor hood with magnets.
Something that looks like the fuse of a firecracker sticks out the bottom of
each. A grease fire lights the fuse, and this causes a load of extinguishing
powder (baking soda?) to be dumped. Cost is ~45 US dollars a pair...

https://youtu.be/AEFXQsKb9DQ


While it is not a cure-all (for instance, it's "not for gas ranges"), it is a
simple solution, cheap, a false alarm not more damage that a considerable mess,
and overall something I would like to have thought up myself.


I wonder how it would cope with stir-fry?

Nick

"harry" wrote in message
...
Chip pan fires can be relatively easily smothered but are utterly lethal
if you make the mistake of adding water. The Fire Brigade do an
impressive travelling show of how to and how *NOT* to do it.

The latter being far more entertaining to watch.

The best thing for chip pans is a fire blanket.
Does anybody have chip pans these days?

Oven chips have supplanted a deep chip pan - except in the local chippy!

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a

- turn off the heat: surprising how many people forget that in their panic!

- no water: repeat that until you are blue in the face - NO WATER

- do not pick the pan up to take it outside where it can burn itself out: if
you trip in the panic, you'll spread the fat and the fire far and wide; as
you are carrying it, the flames will tend to blow backwards towards you; as
you open the door there could be a gust of wind which will blow the flames
towards you

- cover it with a fire blanket if you have one

- if not, run a towel under the tap and then squeeze it out to leave it
moist but NOT DRIPPING WET

- hold the towel so the edge covers you fingers and lay it with the front
edge of the pan covered first, then the back - you don't want to channel the
flames towards you

- leave it for a long time, even after it looks as if the flames have been
extinguished

- call the fire brigade

- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the top to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire blanket will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

And if you remember all that while you are panicking, you're probably
superhuman!

On 07/12/2018 16:22, NY wrote:
"harry" wrote in message
...
Chip pan fires can be relatively easily smothered but are utterly lethal
if you make the mistake of adding water. The Fire Brigade do an
impressive travelling show of how to and how *NOT* to do it.

The latter being far more entertaining to watch.

The best thing for chip pans is a fire blanket.
Does anybody have chip pans these days?

Oven chips have supplanted a deep chip pan - except in the local chippy!

seasonal_chorus

Oh no they've not!

/seasonal_chorus

They've just gone electric - albeit that does reduce the risk of fire.





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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 07/12/2018 14:47, Martin Brown wrote:


Chip pan fires can be relatively easily smothered but are utterly lethal
if you make the mistake of adding water. The Fire Brigade do an
impressive travelling show of how to and how *NOT* to do it.

A former colleague of mine completely wrote off a new kitchen that way.
His PhD didn't help him much that time.

On 07/12/2018 14:47, Martin Brown wrote:
On 07/12/2018 14:10, Thomas Prufer wrote:
All this talk of smoke detectors in kitchens reminded me of something
I saw in
the US: an automatic retrofit fire extinguisher for domestic use.

Two small tins are stuck to the bottom of the extractor hood with
magnets.
Something that looks like the fuse of a firecracker sticks out the
bottom of
each. A grease fire lights the fuse, and this causes a load of
extinguishing
powder (baking soda?) to be dumped. Cost is ~45 US dollars a pair...

https://youtu.be/AEFXQsKb9DQ

Wouldn't it be easier to own a normal domestic fire extinguisher...

A normal fire extinguisher needs you to notice the fire first, not put
something on the stove, because you are hungry when you get back from
the pub, then fall asleep.



--
--

Colin Bignell

"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 07/12/2018 14:47, Martin Brown wrote:
On 07/12/2018 14:10, Thomas Prufer wrote:
All this talk of smoke detectors in kitchens reminded me of something I
saw in
the US: an automatic retrofit fire extinguisher for domestic use.

Two small tins are stuck to the bottom of the extractor hood with
magnets.
Something that looks like the fuse of a firecracker sticks out the
bottom of
each. A grease fire lights the fuse, and this causes a load of
extinguishing
powder (baking soda?) to be dumped. Cost is ~45 US dollars a pair...

https://youtu.be/AEFXQsKb9DQ

Wouldn't it be easier to own a normal domestic fire extinguisher...

A normal fire extinguisher needs you to notice the fire first, not put
something on the stove, because you are hungry when you get back from the
pub, then fall asleep.

Also, you need to be careful with a fire extinguisher. You don't want the
spray of CO2 from the nozzle to blow droplets off the surface of the fat,
spreading the fire. Better to discharge the extinguisher into a bucket -
being heavier than air it will stay there and you can pour it as if it was
water onto the fat from above - taking care not to set the bucket on fire
:-)

But I'm not sure how well it will work because the heat of the fire and the
hot combustion gases may prevent the CO2 from landing on the flames.

NY presented the following explanation :
- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the top to make
sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire blanket will do
this to some extent but not perfectly)

And if you remember all that while you are panicking, you're probably
superhuman!

We like proper chips from a chip pan. It has two lugs to pick it up,
which when in use get very hot, too hot to attempt to lift were it to
catch fire (good thing). We have a heavy solid hard wood chopping board
alongside the gas hob, which is perfect to drop straight on top of the
pan, should it ever catch fire.

On 07/12/2018 14:10, Thomas Prufer wrote:

While it is not a cure-all (for instance, it's "not for gas ranges"), it is a
simple solution, cheap, a false alarm not more damage that a considerable mess,
and overall something I would like to have thought up myself.


I wonder if the problem with that type of device being above the hob
means that the trigger mechanism it will become very degraded over a
short period of time with a mix of steam and atomised grease from normal
cooking. Both will carry the dust from the atmosphere and deposit it on
the fire supression device. Consider how dirty the grease filter in an
extractor hob can get.

Furthermore once the flame reaches the bottom of the extractor hob will
not the grease filter also catch fire?

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 16:01:20 +0000, Nick Odell
wrote:

I wonder how it would cope with stir-fry?

Probably not at all -- or really well, depending on how one defined "coping":-)

But neither would a smoke detector cope with it, and I have my doubts about a
heat detector. A good stir-fry needs a fair bit of heat output.

Burners for woks max out at about 80-90 kW. This means gas (and probably need
serious airflow/extraction kit, too).


Thomas Prufer

"alan_m" wrote in message
...
On 07/12/2018 14:10, Thomas Prufer wrote:

While it is not a cure-all (for instance, it's "not for gas ranges"), it
is a
simple solution, cheap, a false alarm not more damage that a considerable
mess,
and overall something I would like to have thought up myself.


I wonder if the problem with that type of device being above the hob means
that the trigger mechanism it will become very degraded over a short
period of time with a mix of steam and atomised grease from normal
cooking. Both will carry the dust from the atmosphere and deposit it on
the fire supression device. Consider how dirty the grease filter in an
extractor hob can get.

Furthermore once the flame reaches the bottom of the extractor hob will
not the grease filter also catch fire?

Yeah, there's a reason it never took off and became standard equipment.

Even with a proper electronic flame sensor, there are situations where
a full flame isnt a big deal when you have a lid that can put the flame
out with a lot less mess than that would produce. If you do still do
chips in something on the stove, a good lid for it makes more sense,
but doesnt help with the coming home from the pub ****ed, feeling
hungry, start heating the fat for frying the chips and going to sleep.

But that last is trivial to fix with a decent modern air fryer which
isnt a problem if you go to sleep and the thing beeping when
the chips are ready to eat doesnt wake you.

On 07/12/2018 14:10, Thomas Prufer wrote:
All this talk of smoke detectors in kitchens reminded me of something I saw in
the US: an automatic retrofit fire extinguisher for domestic use.

Two small tins are stuck to the bottom of the extractor hood with magnets.
Something that looks like the fuse of a firecracker sticks out the bottom of
each. A grease fire lights the fuse, and this causes a load of extinguishing
powder (baking soda?) to be dumped. Cost is ~45 US dollars a pair...

https://youtu.be/AEFXQsKb9DQ


While it is not a cure-all (for instance, it's "not for gas ranges"), it is a
simple solution, cheap, a false alarm not more damage that a considerable mess,
and overall something I would like to have thought up myself.



Try doing a small extension in Wales.


https://gov.wales/topics/planning/bu...-fire/?lang=en


It killed the building trade and England might be next.


--
Adam

On Friday, 7 December 2018 14:10:44 UTC, Thomas Prufer wrote:

All this talk of smoke detectors in kitchens reminded me of something I saw in
the US: an automatic retrofit fire extinguisher for domestic use.

Two small tins are stuck to the bottom of the extractor hood with magnets.
Something that looks like the fuse of a firecracker sticks out the bottom of
each. A grease fire lights the fuse, and this causes a load of extinguishing
powder (baking soda?) to be dumped. Cost is ~45 US dollars a pair...

https://youtu.be/AEFXQsKb9DQ


While it is not a cure-all (for instance, it's "not for gas ranges"), it is a
simple solution, cheap, a false alarm not more damage that a considerable mess,
and overall something I would like to have thought up myself.


Thomas Prufer

I presume the fire will soon re-ignite, but it does buy time.


NT

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 06:13:38 +0000, ARW wrote:

Try doing a small extension in Wales.

https://gov.wales/topics/planning/bu...-fire/?lang=en

It killed the building trade and England might be next.

And I thought the Germans were specialists in over-regulation.

I like these range-cooker-firethingies because they are cheap, removable,
unregulated, and might work. On the same level as keeping a large lid near a
chip pan...


Thomas Prufer

On 08/12/2018 08:25, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 06:13:38 +0000, ARW wrote:

Try doing a small extension in Wales.

https://gov.wales/topics/planning/bu...-fire/?lang=en

It killed the building trade and England might be next.

And I thought the Germans were specialists in over-regulation.

Holy carp. Sprinkler mandaatory in welsh new builds? Is that REALLY what
yhye said?

There must be a sprinkler manufacturer whose relatives work in Welsh
local guvmint...


I like these range-cooker-firethingies because they are cheap, removable,
unregulated, and might work. On the same level as keeping a large lid near a
chip pan...


Thomas Prufer



--
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its shoes.

On 08/12/2018 08:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/12/2018 08:25, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 06:13:38 +0000, ARW
wrote:

Try doing a small extension in Wales.

https://gov.wales/topics/planning/bu...-fire/?lang=en


It killed the building trade and England might be next.

And I thought the Germans were specialists in over-regulation.

Holy carp. Sprinkler mandaatory in welsh new builds? Is that REALLY what
yhye said?


Yep, first country in the world to do so. It wasn't cost-effective by
the usual criteria[1] with each life saved costing over £m6. But that
wasn't public expenditure. So what's not to like in that for Ministers
when the public think it's some other bugger's money that pays for it
(and in Wales are very often right)?

The Scottish government have promised to make them compulsory in all new
social housing. (IIRC some councils in Scotland do so already.)

Westminster Ministers - to their credit - have so far resisted pressure
to follow Wales in England. But it doesn't help when coroners call for
"Immediate and positive consideration of the compulsory inclusion in the
design, planning and building phases for residential properties..."
with, as usual, no mention of the costs and opportunity costs.

And if anyone's considering DIY, AIUI a tank in the loft and a pump are
almost obligatory as water companies won't guarantee high enough mains
pressure.


[1]
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...-wales-2662917
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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 08/12/2018 08:25, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 06:13:38 +0000, ARW wrote:

Try doing a small extension in Wales.

https://gov.wales/topics/planning/bu...-fire/?lang=en

It killed the building trade and England might be next.

And I thought the Germans were specialists in over-regulation.

I like these range-cooker-firethingies because they are cheap, removable,
unregulated, and might work. On the same level as keeping a large lid near a
chip pan...


The problem could be that if the regulation specified fire suppression
equipment insurance companies may/would insist on formal yearly
inspection before insuring a property. The use of unregulated devices
may not be acceptable to an insurance company.



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On 08/12/2018 09:31, Robin wrote:
On 08/12/2018 08:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/12/2018 08:25, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 06:13:38 +0000, ARW
wrote:

Try doing a small extension in Wales.

https://gov.wales/topics/planning/bu...-fire/?lang=en


It killed the building trade and England might be next.

And I thought the Germans were specialists in over-regulation.

Holy carp. Sprinkler mandaatory in welsh new builds? Is that REALLY
what yhye said?


Yep, first country in the world to do so.Â* It wasn't cost-effective by
the usual criteria[1] with each life saved costing over £m6.Â* But that
wasn't public expenditure.Â* So what's not to like in that for Ministers
when the public think it's some other bugger's money that pays for it
(and in Wales are very often right)?

The Scottish government have promised to make them compulsory in all new
social housing.Â* (IIRC some councils in Scotland do so already.)

Westminster Ministers - to their credit - have so far resisted pressure
to follow Wales in England.Â* But it doesn't help when coroners call for
"Immediate and positive consideration of the compulsory inclusion in the
design, planning and building phases for residential properties..."
with, as usual, no mention of the costs and opportunity costs.

And if anyone's considering DIY, AIUI a tank in the loft and a pump are
almost obligatory as water companies won't guarantee high enough mains
pressure.


[1]
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...-wales-2662917


The AICO rep that presented my installation course suggested that one
reason the English have not gone down this route is due to the lobbying
of house builders.

--
Adam

On 08/12/2018 10:46, ARW wrote:
On 08/12/2018 09:31, Robin wrote:
On 08/12/2018 08:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/12/2018 08:25, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 06:13:38 +0000, ARW
wrote:

Try doing a small extension in Wales.

https://gov.wales/topics/planning/bu...-fire/?lang=en


It killed the building trade and England might be next.

And I thought the Germans were specialists in over-regulation.

Holy carp. Sprinkler mandaatory in welsh new builds? Is that REALLY
what yhye said?


Yep, first country in the world to do so.Â* It wasn't cost-effective by
the usual criteria[1] with each life saved costing over £m6.Â* But that
wasn't public expenditure.Â* So what's not to like in that for
Ministers when the public think it's some other bugger's money that
pays for it (and in Wales are very often right)?

The Scottish government have promised to make them compulsory in all
new social housing.Â* (IIRC some councils in Scotland do so already.)

Westminster Ministers - to their credit - have so far resisted
pressure to follow Wales in England.Â* But it doesn't help when
coroners call for "Immediate and positive consideration of the
compulsory inclusion in the design, planning and building phases for
residential properties..." with, as usual, no mention of the costs and
opportunity costs.

And if anyone's considering DIY, AIUI a tank in the loft and a pump
are almost obligatory as water companies won't guarantee high enough
mains pressure.


[1]
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...-wales-2662917


The AICO rep that presented my installation course suggested that one
reason the English have not gone down this route is due to the lobbying
of house builders.

He says lobbying, they might say pointing out the costs to set against
the benefits.

I think it worth noting that even the fire services aren't asking for
the Welsh legislation to be copied. From the position statement from
the National Fire Chiefs Council this year:

"NFCC support the concept of risk assessed retro fitting of sprinklers
in existing buildings and would also welcome the prioritisation of a
review of the Building Regulations (Approved Document B) to ensure fire
safety requirements keep pace with new building developments. NFCC
supports the mandatory installation of sprinkler systems in certain
types of higher risk buildings such as nursing homes, and single
staircase high rise buildings as two examples."

They also cite key points from the BRE report in 2012:

"Cost Benefit Analysis of Sprinklers: BRE Report
€¢ Sprinklers are cost beneficial in the following premises:
o Bedsits of six units or more;
o Most purpose built blocks of flats;
o All Care Homes"

[1]
https://www.nationalfirechiefs.org.u..._statement.pdf

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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 10:40:56 +0000, alan_m wrote:

The problem could be that if the regulation specified fire suppression
equipment insurance companies may/would insist on formal yearly
inspection before insuring a property. The use of unregulated devices
may not be acceptable to an insurance company.

Wouldn't do for proscribed equipment, I'd think, as it's a stopgap. But then
it's the price of a dinner with drinks....

I'd consider it the equivalent of a bucket of water or a hosepipe near a
bonfi prudent, a stopgap, not enough in some cases, but might just save your
ass. And these work automatically, and are small enough that a "nuisance alarm"
is a nuisance and not a catastrophe.

A residential sprinkler system that goes off unattended will flood the place
eventually, possibly causing more damage than the bit of heat that set off a
sprinkler head.


Thomas Prufer

On 08/12/2018 15:09, Thomas Prufer wrote:

A residential sprinkler system that goes off unattended will flood the place
eventually, possibly causing more damage than the bit of heat that set off a
sprinkler head.


Then just keep moving it until it no longer goes off.


--
Adam

On 08/12/2018 15:09, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 10:40:56 +0000, alan_m wrote:

The problem could be that if the regulation specified fire suppression
equipment insurance companies may/would insist on formal yearly
inspection before insuring a property. The use of unregulated devices
may not be acceptable to an insurance company.

Wouldn't do for proscribed equipment, I'd think, as it's a stopgap. But then
it's the price of a dinner with drinks....

I'd consider it the equivalent of a bucket of water or a hosepipe near a
bonfi prudent, a stopgap, not enough in some cases, but might just save your
ass. And these work automatically, and are small enough that a "nuisance alarm"
is a nuisance and not a catastrophe.

A residential sprinkler system that goes off unattended will flood the place
eventually, possibly causing more damage than the bit of heat that set off a
sprinkler head.


Thomas Prufer


And social housing tenants who don't like where they live, are not
above setting off sprinklers deliberately, which could cost £thousands
in a tower block.

In article ,
Jethro_uk writes:
Many years ago, the oil-fired heater my Dad had in the workshop had a
cutoff valve that was held open by a soldered joint that was strung over
the combustion chamber feed. Above the temperature to melt solder, the
joint would "pop" and the valve close.

One brand of these was Kingston Fire Cable - I remember them strung
across the boiler room when I was at school.

Given that I can find no reference whatsoever on google, I presume
these were long gone before the Internet.

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On 2018-12-07, NY wrote:

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a
....
- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the top to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire blanket will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!


And if you remember all that while you are panicking, you're probably
superhuman!

On Monday, 10 December 2018 09:15:06 UTC, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-12-07, NY wrote:

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a
...
- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the top to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire blanket will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!

ISTR asbestos cement explodes in a fire.


NT

wrote in message
...
On Monday, 10 December 2018 09:15:06 UTC, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-12-07, NY wrote:

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a
...
- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the top
to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire blanket
will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!

ISTR asbestos cement explodes in a fire.

No it does not.

On Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:23:08 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
One brand of these was Kingston Fire Cable - I remember them strung
across the boiler room when I was at school.

There are modern equivalents that sense insulation resistance that changes with temperatu

FyreLine Analogue Linear Heat Detection cable is constructed using a pair of copper conductors coated in a temperature sensitive polymer whose resistance changes as a function of temperature. A calibration resistance (white) and average ambient temperature sensor (red) core are twisted with the two original conductors. A foil shield, outer sheath and optional protective coating is extruded over the twisted cores.
https://www.eurofyre.co.uk/FyreLine-...on-System.html

Owain

On Monday, 10 December 2018 10:18:40 UTC, wrote:
It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!
ISTR asbestos cement explodes in a fire.

We always used to have an asbestos simmering mat like thise

https://www.abshealthandsafety.co.uk...-web-small.jpg

Horrible unhygienic things, getting encrusted with grease.

Owain

On 10/12/2018 09:09, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-12-07, NY wrote:

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a
....
- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the top to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire blanket will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!

many ovens have a drip tray that will serve

And if you remember all that while you are panicking, you're probably
superhuman!


indeed - or like, my maternal grandmother (born 1889) had much practice

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On 10/12/2018 09:09, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-12-07, NY wrote:

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a
...
- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the top to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire blanket will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!


And they don't work well unless the top of the pan is flat with no
basket handles sticking up.

On 10/12/2018 10:25, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Monday, 10 December 2018 09:15:06 UTC, Adam FunkÂ* wrote:
On 2018-12-07, NY wrote:

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a
...
- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the
top to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire
blanket will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!

ISTR asbestos cement explodes in a fire.

No it does not.

Yes it does.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:25:55 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


ISTR asbestos cement explodes in a fire.

No it does not.

LOL Did you manage to climax, senile auto-contradictor?

--
Kerr-Mudd,John addressing senile Rot:
"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
MID:

In message , "dennis@home"
writes
On 10/12/2018 10:25, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Monday, 10 December 2018 09:15:06 UTC, Adam Funk* wrote:
On 2018-12-07, NY wrote:

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a
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- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the
top to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire
blanket will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!

ISTR asbestos cement explodes in a fire.
No it does not.

Yes it does.

Umm.. Cement bonded asbestos roofing *explodes* when heated. My
assumption is that this is due to steam from trapped water.


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Tim Lamb

On Monday, 10 December 2018 11:42:31 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 10/12/2018 10:25, Rod Speed wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
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On Monday, 10 December 2018 09:15:06 UTC, Adam FunkÂ* wrote:
On 2018-12-07, NY wrote:

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a
...
- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the
top to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire
blanket will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!

ISTR asbestos cement explodes in a fire.

No it does not.

Yes it does.

It did when I chucked bits on a fire many years ago. So I wouldn't put it on a fat fire unless there was really nothing else.
Asbestos mats are of course fine in that respect, and their modern replacement fibreglass ones.


NT

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 10/12/2018 10:25, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Monday, 10 December 2018 09:15:06 UTC, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-12-07, NY wrote:

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a
...
- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the
top to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire
blanket will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!

ISTR asbestos cement explodes in a fire.

No it does not.

Yes it does.

How odd that those things used under stuff being heated didnt.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 05:36:48 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

No it does not.

Yes it does.

How odd that those things used under stuff being heated didn¢t.

Obviously everyone else disagrees with you on this again, senile Mr
Know-it-all. ;-)

--
Bill Wright to Rot Speed:
"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****."
MID:

On Monday, 10 December 2018 18:37:00 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 10/12/2018 10:25, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Monday, 10 December 2018 09:15:06 UTC, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-12-07, NY wrote:

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a
...
- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the
top to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire
blanket will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!

ISTR asbestos cement explodes in a fire.

No it does not.

Yes it does.

How odd that those things used under stuff being heated didnt.

It's not asbestos cement.
It's one of the other forms of asbestos.

"harry" wrote in message
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On Monday, 10 December 2018 18:37:00 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 10/12/2018 10:25, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Monday, 10 December 2018 09:15:06 UTC, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-12-07, NY wrote:

The things to remember with a chip pan fire a
...
- ideally, find a large non-flammable board and lay that over the
top to
make sure that all the air is excluded (the damp towel or fire
blanket will
do this to some extent but not perfectly)

It's hard to get those asbestos-cement boards these days!

ISTR asbestos cement explodes in a fire.

No it does not.

Yes it does.

How odd that those things used under stuff being heated didnt.

It's not asbestos cement.

Bull****.

It's one of the other forms of asbestos.

Wrong,. as always.