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ISP speed adjusting praticality
I have just this week moved to fibre (well VDSL), from ADSL. On ADSL I
was connecting at 18Mbs, speedtest at around fairly consistent 16Mbs. I was moved in the early hours of Tuesday morning, since when speedtest results have been all over the place - sometimes 31Mbs, sometimes 10Mbs. My initial tests showed a steady, 30Mbs with the ISP supplied dumbed down router. I bought a second identicle router, but with OpenWRT installed. I spent much of Tuesday trying to gets it configuration settings to work, swapping to that and back to the ISP router, between times, until I finally got the OpenWRT to work - so multiple times. Throughout, a connect speed was reported of a steady 40,000Mbs/9.000Mbs, yet actual speedtests showed wild variations. Are the wild variations part of the system settling in and how long might it go on for? |
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On 23/08/18 18:11, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Throughout, a connect speed was reported of a steady 40,000Mbs/9.000Mbs, Wow! 40GB/s is going some... yet actual speedtests showed wild variations. Are the wild variations part of the system settling in and how long might it go on for? No, they are part of the crap backhaul you are connected to. -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood. |
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On 23/08/2018 18:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/08/18 18:11, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Throughout, a connect speed was reported of a steady 40,000Mbs/9.000Mbs, Wow! 40GB/s is going some... yet actual speedtests showed wild variations. Are the wild variations part of the system settling in and how long might it go on for? No, they are part of the crap backhaul you are connected to. Which makes me wonder which ISP. I was allowed to leave the Post Office during my ADSL contract because of that problem. If the service is with Vodafone you can leave in the 1st 30 days. |
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The Natural Philosopher expressed precisely :
Wow! 40GB/s is going some... Sorry, the comma should be a dot.. |
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On 23/08/18 18:11, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Throughout, a connect speed was reported of a steady 40,000Mbs/9.000Mbs, Wow! 40GB/s is going some... yet actual speedtests showed wild variations. Are the wild variations part of the system settling in and how long might it go on for? No, they are part of the crap backhaul you are connected to. If I remember correctly, Harry had trapped himself into staying with TalkTalk, so as not to lose his Tiscali email address. Is that right Harry? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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Graham. explained on 23/08/2018 :
If I remember correctly, Harry had trapped himself into staying with TalkTalk, so as not to lose his Tiscali email address. Is that right Harry? -- No, I swapped to Plusnet many moons ago. |
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On 23/08/2018 18:53, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Graham. explained on 23/08/2018 : If I remember correctly, Harry had trapped himself into staying with TalkTalk, so as not to lose his Tiscali email address. Is that right Harry? -- No, I swapped to Plusnet many moons ago. In that case try the Plusnet forum. Traceroutes can well you which of the Plusnet gateways you are connected to. Sometimes they get clogged. -- Michael Chare |
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Michael Chare expressed precisely :
On 23/08/2018 18:53, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Graham. explained on 23/08/2018 : If I remember correctly, Harry had trapped himself into staying with TalkTalk, so as not to lose his Tiscali email address. Is that right Harry? -- No, I swapped to Plusnet many moons ago. In that case try the Plusnet forum. Traceroutes can well you which of the Plusnet gateways you are connected to. Sometimes they get clogged. No showing 37.60Mbs, so taking overheads into account, that is now full speed. |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news I have just this week moved to fibre (well VDSL), from ADSL. On ADSL I was connecting at 18Mbs, speedtest at around fairly consistent 16Mbs. I was moved in the early hours of Tuesday morning, since when speedtest results have been all over the place - sometimes 31Mbs, sometimes 10Mbs. My initial tests showed a steady, 30Mbs with the ISP supplied dumbed down router. I bought a second identicle router, but with OpenWRT installed. I spent much of Tuesday trying to gets it configuration settings to work, swapping to that and back to the ISP router, between times, until I finally got the OpenWRT to work - so multiple times. Throughout, a connect speed was reported of a steady 40,000Mbs/9.000Mbs, So the service is fine. yet actual speedtests showed wild variations. That's normal, it varys with the server its using. Are the wild variations part of the system settling in Nope. and how long might it go on for? Forever. Speedtest is a lousy way to measure performance. And its important to measure it over a wired connection, not over wifi. Wifi just adds another variable. |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
No showing 37.60Mbs, so taking overheads into account, that is now full speed. can take a while for the plusnet end bandwidth setting to adjust to the home end ... give it a day. Does this result show an IP profile that's close to your line rate, it would normally be 96.8% https://portal.plus.net/my.html?action=data_transfer_speed |
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Andy Burns wrote:
Does this result show an IP profile that's close to your line rate, it would normally be 96.8% https://portal.plus.net/my.html?action=data_transfer_speed You probably need to run the BT line checker to see your IP profile, but that gets set based on what the plusnet speed checker sees as your line rate above http://speedtest.btwholesale.com |
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Andy Burns has brought this to us :
Harry Bloomfield wrote: No showing 37.60Mbs, so taking overheads into account, that is now full speed. can take a while for the plusnet end bandwidth setting to adjust to the home end ... give it a day. Does this result show an IP profile that's close to your line rate, it would normally be 96.8% https://portal.plus.net/my.html?action=data_transfer_speed It does now - I was quite concerned that the figures I was seeing were WORSE than my ADSL prior to the service swap. |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 05:49:37 +1000, cantankerous senile geezer Rot Speed
blabbered, again: I bought a second identicle router, but with OpenWRT installed. I spent much of Tuesday trying to gets it configuration settings to work, swapping to that and back to the ISP router, between times, until I finally got the OpenWRT to work - so multiple times. Throughout, a connect speed was reported of a steady 40,000Mbs/9.000Mbs, So the service is fine. More off the cuff expertise by our ridiculous resident wisenheimer! LOL -- pamela about Rot Speed: "His off the cuff expertise demonstrates how little he knows..." MID: |
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On 23/08/2018 18:11, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I have just this week moved to fibre (well VDSL), from ADSL. On ADSL I was connecting at 18Mbs, speedtest at around fairly consistent 16Mbs. I was moved in the early hours of Tuesday morning, since when speedtest results have been all over the place - sometimes 31Mbs, sometimes 10Mbs. My initial tests showed a steady, 30Mbs with the ISP supplied dumbed down router. I bought a second identicle router, but with OpenWRT installed. I spent much of Tuesday trying to gets it configuration settings to work, swapping to that and back to the ISP router, between times, until I finally got the OpenWRT to work - so multiple times. Throughout, a connect speed was reported of a steady 40,000Mbs/9.000Mbs, yet actual speedtests showed wild variations. Are the wild variations part of the system settling in and how long might it go on for? The period of adaptation applies only to the last bit of the link - i.e. the xDSL connection performance. So generally if that is steady then chances are the problem is in the backhaul connection between your exchange and the ISP. The exception to that might be if you are getting a high intermittent error rate on the local connection. In which case that may improve with time as the DSLAM learns to rate adapt down a bit for a slightly slower but more stable connection. If you router can show you the error rate on the line that can be instructive - you may be able to see periods with a large increase in errors detected. Sometimes forcing the router to retrain at that point can get better results. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Thursday, 23 August 2018 20:49:47 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news I have just this week moved to fibre (well VDSL), from ADSL. On ADSL I was connecting at 18Mbs, speedtest at around fairly consistent 16Mbs. I was moved in the early hours of Tuesday morning, since when speedtest results have been all over the place - sometimes 31Mbs, sometimes 10Mbs. My initial tests showed a steady, 30Mbs with the ISP supplied dumbed down router. I bought a second identicle router, but with OpenWRT installed. I spent much of Tuesday trying to gets it configuration settings to work, swapping to that and back to the ISP router, between times, until I finally got the OpenWRT to work - so multiple times. Throughout, a connect speed was reported of a steady 40,000Mbs/9.000Mbs, So the service is fine. Sounds too spot on to be real. ping can also be important to record. yet actual speedtests showed wild variations. That's normal, it varys with the server its using. Normally the server selcted is the fastest one at the time. It shouldn't vary too much from the same server which is normally stated in the app. Are the wild variations part of the system settling in Nope. and how long might it go on for? Forever. Speedtest is a lousy way to measure performance. How else would you measure it ? I used to use the apple servers when they had combo updates you could download but at busy times just after they are realsed the apple servers were responsible for slower connections rathe rthan the ISP. And its important to measure it over a wired connection, not over wifi. Wifi just adds another variable. It depends what you are using, a wired connection is pretty useless for a smartphone. Last week I tried to find out why my wi-fi connection was dropping. My computer was getting 130mbs download, wi-fi was about 2.8Mbs down 12.5Mbs up ping 11ms , and 4G was about 24.1Mbs down 13.0MBps up, ping 38ms, so 4G significantly faster than wi-fi at home. wi-fi at work today 77.2Mbps down, 100Mbps up ping 3ms |
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"whisky-dave" wrote in message ... On Thursday, 23 August 2018 20:49:47 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: "Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news I have just this week moved to fibre (well VDSL), from ADSL. On ADSL I was connecting at 18Mbs, speedtest at around fairly consistent 16Mbs. I was moved in the early hours of Tuesday morning, since when speedtest results have been all over the place - sometimes 31Mbs, sometimes 10Mbs. My initial tests showed a steady, 30Mbs with the ISP supplied dumbed down router. I bought a second identicle router, but with OpenWRT installed. I spent much of Tuesday trying to gets it configuration settings to work, swapping to that and back to the ISP router, between times, until I finally got the OpenWRT to work - so multiple times. Throughout, a connect speed was reported of a steady 40,000Mbs/9.000Mbs, So the service is fine. Sounds too spot on to be real. Yeah, I did wonder about that and forgot to comment on it. ping can also be important to record. Only really matters for online gaming. yet actual speedtests showed wild variations. That's normal, it varys with the server its using. Normally the server selcted is the fastest one at the time. Nope. It shouldn't vary too much from the same server which is normally stated in the app. It can do with the worst servers. Are the wild variations part of the system settling in Nope. and how long might it go on for? Forever. Speedtest is a lousy way to measure performance. How else would you measure it ? Download something from the ISP's web site. Some of them have a file specifically for doing that. I used to use the apple servers when they had combo updates you could download but at busy times just after they are realsed the apple servers were responsible for slower connections rathe rthan the ISP. Problem with those sites is that they often do deliberately limit the thruput rate so that everyone updating gets a decent rate with the immense numbers who can be updating at once. I get very consistent speedtest results with my RSP's dedicated speedtest site, but very variable results when doing iOS updates depending on who else is updating at the same time after a major release. And its important to measure it over a wired connection, not over wifi. Wifi just adds another variable. It depends what you are using, a wired connection is pretty useless for a smartphone. Yes, but it does make sense when you are testing the performance of a new service to use a laptop or a desktop with a wired connection to the modem/router. Last week I tried to find out why my wi-fi connection was dropping. My computer was getting 130mbs download, wi-fi was about 2.8Mbs down 12.5Mbs up ping 11ms , and 4G was about 24.1Mbs down 13.0MBps up, ping 38ms, so 4G significantly faster than wi-fi at home. Most likely due to others using that wifi channel in adjacent houses etc. wi-fi at work today 77.2Mbps down, 100Mbps up ping 3ms And thats why the performance of a new service shouldnt be done over wifi, it just adds another level of variability. |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 05:03:36 +1000, cantankerous senile geezer Rot Speed
blabbered, again: Sounds too spot on to be real. Yeah, I did wonder about that and forgot to comment on it. Good! That saved us yet more bull**** from your senile mouth! -- Richard addressing Rot Speed: "**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll." MID: |
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On Friday, 24 August 2018 20:03:47 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message ... On Thursday, 23 August 2018 20:49:47 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: "Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news I have just this week moved to fibre (well VDSL), from ADSL. On ADSL I was connecting at 18Mbs, speedtest at around fairly consistent 16Mbs. I was moved in the early hours of Tuesday morning, since when speedtest results have been all over the place - sometimes 31Mbs, sometimes 10Mbs. My initial tests showed a steady, 30Mbs with the ISP supplied dumbed down router. I bought a second identicle router, but with OpenWRT installed. I spent much of Tuesday trying to gets it configuration settings to work, swapping to that and back to the ISP router, between times, until I finally got the OpenWRT to work - so multiple times. Throughout, a connect speed was reported of a steady 40,000Mbs/9.000Mbs, So the service is fine. Sounds too spot on to be real. Yeah, I did wonder about that and forgot to comment on it. ping can also be important to record. Only really matters for online gaming. Only at low rates but at higher rates it affects browsing speeds if you have to wait even 1/4 second for a response, but gamers are the first to notice. yet actual speedtests showed wild variations. That's normal, it varys with the server its using. Normally the server selcted is the fastest one at the time. Nope. Yep, look at the app you are using. It shouldn't vary too much from the same server which is normally stated in the app. It can do with the worst servers. It doesnlt select the worst servers, there's no reason to. Unless of couse you live out in the sticks. Are the wild variations part of the system settling in Nope. and how long might it go on for? Forever. Speedtest is a lousy way to measure performance. How else would you measure it ? Download something from the ISP's web site. That's where the app goes. Some of them have a file specifically for doing that. So not a goopd indication then, perhaps they put this ONE file ona super fast connection. I used to use the apple servers when they had combo updates you could download but at busy times just after they are realsed the apple servers were responsible for slower connections rathe rthan the ISP. Problem with those sites is that they often do deliberately limit the thruput rate so that everyone updating gets a decent rate with the immense numbers who can be updating at once. True ut it's quite easy to tell and the trick there would be to not try this just after a recent update has been announced it's like trying to connect to the aplpe website after a WWDC or getting the video feed from it. I get very consistent speedtest results with my RSP's dedicated speedtest site, but very variable results when doing iOS updates depending on who else is updating at the same time after a major release. that's why you don't do it at update times. It's like seeing if you can reach your cars top MPH on a bank holiday weekend on the M25 or almost any motorway in the UK. And its important to measure it over a wired connection, not over wifi. Wifi just adds another variable. It depends what you are using, a wired connection is pretty useless for a smartphone. Yes, but it does make sense when you are testing the performance of a new service to use a laptop or a desktop with a wired connection to the modem/router. Yep. Last week I tried to find out why my wi-fi connection was dropping. My computer was getting 130mbs download, wi-fi was about 2.8Mbs down 12.5Mbs up ping 11ms , and 4G was about 24.1Mbs down 13.0MBps up, ping 38ms, so 4G significantly faster than wi-fi at home.. Most likely due to others using that wifi channel in adjacent houses etc. No nothing to do with it. Virginmedia have already admitted that there are problems and are workingh on a solution with Apple. A few weeks ago I was getting above 200MBs download. wi-fi at work today 77.2Mbps down, 100Mbps up ping 3ms And thats why the performance of a new service shouldnt be done over wifi, it just adds another level of variability. That's what I said, so why can I get 77Mb download over wi-fi but only 2.5Mb using a wired connection ? |
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