On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.

Andrew wrote:

On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws

Bird balanced on the top?

On 17/08/2018 14:56, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws

A rat?

--
F

On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.

Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and be tempted to enter the house.

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 15:35:20 +0100, F wrote:

On 17/08/2018 14:56, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping scrabbling noise
coming from the corner of the house where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws

A rat?

+1
The first and most obvious suspect.



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On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.

Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and be tempted to enter the house.

I thought they were invented by women, to nag men about once we
learned to put the seat down.
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%Profound_observation%

On 17/08/2018 15:14, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew wrote:

On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws

Bird balanced on the top?


+1
My boiler has a vertical metal flue lining running through the top floor
and up a previously disused chimney. The flue is has a terminal
cap/fitment. Quite often a pigeon perching/cooing on this terminal
makes it sound like the bird is actually trapped within the boiler.


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On 17/08/2018 15:35, F wrote:
On 17/08/2018 14:56, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws

A rat?


The previous time I heard this noise it had made it up to the
'horizontal' section connecting loo to stack so I flushed it
away.

He's a good swimmer if its the same one.

On Friday, 17 August 2018 20:49:46 UTC+1, Graham. wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.

Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and be tempted to enter the house.

I thought they were invented by women, to nag men about once we
learned to put the seat down.
--

Graham.
%Profound_observation%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWA_54_DC4

On 18/08/18 08:00, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 20:49:46 UTC+1, Graham. wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.

Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and be tempted to enter the house.

I thought they were invented by women, to nag men about once we
learned to put the seat down.
--

Graham.
%Profound_observation%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWA_54_DC4


WTF harry? Your toilet needs a clean.

On 17/08/18 17:31, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.

Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and be tempted to enter the house.


Methinks that's a bit of old wife's tale there. Probably your mummy
telling you that so you'd put the lid down.

Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.


Inside the pipe more likely to be a rat, bird wont survive for long so
unless your three occasions are all close together and recent that
possibility is unlikely.
But have a close look around the pipe and you may find a birds nest has
been constructed or is under construction in the gap between the pipe and
wall in which case you havent got much to worry about.
Also are you sure it is from the pipe? In gutters birds often use them as a
food source or nest building supply from the moss/debris that accumulates .
Their feet can make a scrabbling noise out of all proportion to their size
if the guttering is plastic

GH

Andrew wrote:
On 17/08/2018 15:35, F wrote:
On 17/08/2018 14:56, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws

A rat?


The previous time I heard this noise it had made it up to the
'horizontal' section connecting loo to stack so I flushed it
away.

He's a good swimmer if its the same one.


They are brilliant swimmers.

I was waiting for one in the garden to give it a lead injection but it
spotted me and diverted from the normal trail I was covering and leapt
into the pond and swam to the other side under the water
where I saw it emerge and get away. Took seconds.
They may be a nuisance and a health hazard but there is no denying they
have evolved into very efficient biological specimens.


GH

In message , Richard
writes
On 17/08/18 17:31, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.
Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and
be tempted to enter the house.


Methinks that's a bit of old wife's tale there. Probably your mummy
telling you that so you'd put the lid down.

I was called in to release a Robin from our enclosed logburner,
recently. 7" flue and Coolie hat cover so what was it doing?

--
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On 18/08/18 11:34, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Richard
writes
On 17/08/18 17:31, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, AndrewÂ* wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.
Â*Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and
be tempted to enter the house.


Methinks that's a bit of old wife's tale there. Probably your mummy
telling you that so you'd put the lid down.

I was called in to release a Robin from our enclosed logburner,
recently. 7" flue and Coolie hat cover so what was it doing?


Random inspection of logburner installations?

In message , Richard
writes
On 18/08/18 11:34, Tim Lamb wrote:
I was called in to release a Robin from our enclosed logburner,
recently. 7" flue and Coolie hat cover so what was it doing?


Random inspection of logburner installations?

Building Control signed it off without comment...

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On Saturday, 18 August 2018 08:43:22 UTC+1, Richard wrote:
On 17/08/18 17:31, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.

Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and be tempted to enter the house.


Methinks that's a bit of old wife's tale there. Probably your mummy
telling you that so you'd put the lid down.


Nope. How do suppose rats get into peoples houses?
Especially bungalows/downstairs toilets.
You can buy a "one way valve" to fit to the sewer to keep them out.
https://ratflap.com/

When my wife heard about this, she started putting a brick on the toilet lid as extra precaution.

On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 08:26:41 +0000, Marland wrote:

Their feet can make a scrabbling noise out of all proportion to their
size if the guttering is plastic

Too true. Even mice sound like they're much larger animals wearing
hobnail boots.




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On 18/08/18 15:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Richard
writes
On 18/08/18 11:34, Tim Lamb wrote:
Â*I was called in to release a Robin from our enclosed logburner,
recently. 7" flue and Coolie hat cover so what was it doing?


Random inspection of logburner installations?

Building Control signed it off without comment...

Perhaps, but what did the robin have to say about it?

On 18/08/18 17:00, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 18 August 2018 08:43:22 UTC+1, Richard wrote:
On 17/08/18 17:31, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.

Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and be tempted to enter the house.


Methinks that's a bit of old wife's tale there. Probably your mummy
telling you that so you'd put the lid down.


Nope. How do suppose rats get into peoples houses?
Especially bungalows/downstairs toilets.
You can buy a "one way valve" to fit to the sewer to keep them out.
https://ratflap.com/

When my wife heard about this, she started putting a brick on the toilet lid as extra precaution.


So, the light manages to travel in the water through the various traps?
WTF, do you have a latrine in your bunker?
Must be fun explaining the brick on the lid to visitors. Mind you, it'd
come in handy for bashing the *******s on the head when the seat is
lifted for use and the hordes of rats emerge. Perhaps a Gatling gun
might be more appropriate.

In message , Richard
writes
On 18/08/18 15:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Richard
writes
On 18/08/18 11:34, Tim Lamb wrote:
*I was called in to release a Robin from our enclosed logburner,
recently. 7" flue and Coolie hat cover so what was it doing?


Random inspection of logburner installations?
Building Control signed it off without comment...

Perhaps, but what did the robin have to say about it?

Speechless. Just hurried off through an open door.

--
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On Sunday, 19 August 2018 07:45:44 UTC+1, Richard wrote:
On 18/08/18 17:00, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 18 August 2018 08:43:22 UTC+1, Richard wrote:
On 17/08/18 17:31, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.

Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and be tempted to enter the house.


Methinks that's a bit of old wife's tale there. Probably your mummy
telling you that so you'd put the lid down.


Nope. How do suppose rats get into peoples houses?
Especially bungalows/downstairs toilets.
You can buy a "one way valve" to fit to the sewer to keep them out.
https://ratflap.com/

When my wife heard about this, she started putting a brick on the toilet lid as extra precaution.


So, the light manages to travel in the water through the various traps?
WTF, do you have a latrine in your bunker?
Must be fun explaining the brick on the lid to visitors. Mind you, it'd
come in handy for bashing the *******s on the head when the seat is
lifted for use and the hordes of rats emerge. Perhaps a Gatling gun
might be more appropriate.

You really don't have the faintest idea about sewer/drain systems do you?

On 19/08/18 08:55, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 19 August 2018 07:45:44 UTC+1, Richard wrote:
On 18/08/18 17:00, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 18 August 2018 08:43:22 UTC+1, Richard wrote:
On 17/08/18 17:31, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.

Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and be tempted to enter the house.


Methinks that's a bit of old wife's tale there. Probably your mummy
telling you that so you'd put the lid down.


Nope. How do suppose rats get into peoples houses?
Especially bungalows/downstairs toilets.
You can buy a "one way valve" to fit to the sewer to keep them out.
https://ratflap.com/

When my wife heard about this, she started putting a brick on the toilet lid as extra precaution.


So, the light manages to travel in the water through the various traps?
WTF, do you have a latrine in your bunker?
Must be fun explaining the brick on the lid to visitors. Mind you, it'd
come in handy for bashing the *******s on the head when the seat is
lifted for use and the hordes of rats emerge. Perhaps a Gatling gun
might be more appropriate.

You really don't have the faintest idea about sewer/drain systems do you?

You, as a sewer rat, probably have much more experience. But there has
not been one rat come into my house via the toilet with the lid up.
How many have you had?

On 18/08/2018 09:35, Marland wrote:
Andrew wrote:
On 17/08/2018 15:35, F wrote:
On 17/08/2018 14:56, Andrew wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws

A rat?


The previous time I heard this noise it had made it up to the
'horizontal' section connecting loo to stack so I flushed it
away.

He's a good swimmer if its the same one.


They are brilliant swimmers.

I was waiting for one in the garden to give it a lead injection but it
spotted me and diverted from the normal trail I was covering and leapt
into the pond and swam to the other side under the water
where I saw it emerge and get away. Took seconds.
They may be a nuisance and a health hazard but there is no denying they
have evolved into very efficient biological specimens.


GH


The mystery is, the drainage is 'modern' (1976), using hepworth
or Naylor glazed earthenware pipes with plastic/epdm connectors
so I'm not sure where he could get in. This isn't an area that
has a rat problem, lacking running streams or ponds, or fast
food outlets.

On 18/08/2018 11:34, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Richard
writes
On 17/08/18 17:31, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:56:16 UTC+1, AndrewÂ* wrote:
On at least 3 occasions now I have heard a scraping
scrabbling noise coming from the corner of the house
where the internal foul stack is.

It sounds like a bird or animal with claws, inside and trying
to get up the pipe, presumably because it can see daylight.

I'm pretty sure it is not inside the house.

I am on a spur of 9 houses connected to a 100mm run of
drainage and apart from the house at the head of the spur,
they are original properties with bird guards in situ.

If the neighbour hadn't covered her half of the shared
manhole connection I would lift and see if the poor
creature (probably a starling, they get everywhere)
could escape.
Â*Rats.
The reason for a lid on the toilet is so they can't see the light and
be tempted to enter the house.


Methinks that's a bit of old wife's tale there. Probably your mummy
telling you that so you'd put the lid down.

I was called in to release a Robin from our enclosed logburner,
recently. 7" flue and Coolie hat cover so what was it doing?


Casing the joint for Father Christmas ?

On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:26:10 +0100, Andrew wrote:

The mystery is, the drainage is 'modern' (1976), using hepworth or
Naylor glazed earthenware pipes with plastic/epdm connectors so I'm not
sure where he could get in. This isn't an area that has a rat problem,
lacking running streams or ponds, or fast food outlets.

Farms out in the sticks get a lot of rats, too. It's not just an inner
city thing.



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On 19/08/2018 14:51, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:26:10 +0100, Andrew wrote:

The mystery is, the drainage is 'modern' (1976), using hepworth or
Naylor glazed earthenware pipes with plastic/epdm connectors so I'm not
sure where he could get in. This isn't an area that has a rat problem,
lacking running streams or ponds, or fast food outlets.

Farms out in the sticks get a lot of rats, too. It's not just an inner
city thing.

We've had rats out in the garden. But still no idea how it would get
into the sewer pipes.

Andy

Rats can chew through many things. What makes you think a plastic pipe isn't one of them?

On 20/08/2018 14:06, Cynic wrote:
Rats can chew through many things. What makes you think a plastic pipe isn't one of them?


I think even a rat would struggle to chew through a 110mm plastic
waste pipe from the *inside*.

On 19/08/2018 21:22, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 19/08/2018 14:51, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:26:10 +0100, Andrew wrote:

The mystery is, the drainage is 'modern' (1976), using hepworth or
Naylor glazed earthenware pipes with plastic/epdm connectors so I'm not
sure where he could get in. This isn't an area that has a rat problem,
lacking running streams or ponds, or fast food outlets.

Farms out in the sticks get a lot of rats, too. It's not just an inner
city thing.

We've had rats out in the garden. But still no idea how it would get
into the sewer pipes.

Andy
Possibly from the drains. I opened the inspection chamber cover some
time back and found a frog living in there!

"Andrew" wrote in message
news
On 20/08/2018 14:06, Cynic wrote:
Rats can chew through many things. What makes you think a plastic pipe
isn't one of them?


I think even a rat would struggle to chew through a 110mm plastic
waste pipe from the *inside*.

But we are discussing how it gets inside, not how it gets out.

On Monday, 20 August 2018 19:54:37 UTC+1, Sam wrote:
On 19/08/2018 21:22, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 19/08/2018 14:51, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:26:10 +0100, Andrew wrote:

The mystery is, the drainage is 'modern' (1976), using hepworth or
Naylor glazed earthenware pipes with plastic/epdm connectors so I'm not
sure where he could get in. This isn't an area that has a rat problem,
lacking running streams or ponds, or fast food outlets.

Farms out in the sticks get a lot of rats, too. It's not just an inner
city thing.

We've had rats out in the garden. But still no idea how it would get
into the sewer pipes.

Andy
Possibly from the drains. I opened the inspection chamber cover some
time back and found a frog living in there!

Bloody foreigners they get everywhere !