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"NY" wrote in message o.uk... "Jethro_uk" wrote in message news On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 12:45:23 +0100, NY wrote: I'd not thought of a circular saw or other power tools as being "handed", It's quite surprising when you look at the subtleties. Not power tools, but steak knives and playing cards (not Waddingtons) are two odd examples of handedness. I'll have a look next time I have steak in a restaurant (if I'm given a proper steak knife) and see if it's handed. Most knives, forks and spoons look symmetrical to me: maybe some steak knives are an exception and the handle is thicker on one side of the blade than the other or the blade is slightly curved. None of my steak knives are handed. Not sure what he means about playing cards, presumably the way the head faces with the most valuable 3 cards in each suit. |
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"Rob Morley" wrote in message
news:20180620192805.17f72812@Mars... On 20 Jun 2018 13:48:03 GMT Bob Eager wrote: I hold a pen between thumb and forefinger, with all finger joints bent. I get lots of comments but that's how I've always done it. Perhaps, like me, you taught yourself to write before anyone thought to show you the "proper" way to hold a pen? In the IMDB entry for the series Victoria, people have criticised Jenna Coleman (how could anyone criticise someone so cute?) for holding her pen in a "monkey's fist grip" rather than as Victoria would have done. But I'm not sure exactly how Victoria *would* have held a pen and what was so bad about the way Jenna portrayed it. At least she didn't grip the pen between the first joint of her index and middle fingers, as a lot of today's school children seem to do. I think the gist of the criticism was that the fingers should be straight, with the pen aligned with the index finger, not with fingers slightly curved, and held only between index finger and thumb, not the three-fingered thumb-index grip with the pen resting on the middle finger underneath for extra support and control which is how I was taught. No matter how you hold your pen, all that matters in the end is whether people can read your writing. |
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"Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message news NY wrote: "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message news Our lad is left-handed. No stigma nowadays, of course, but it has taken a long time to get him to stop getting ink all over his hand as it moves across what he's just written :-) That was more of a problem when people wrote with slow-drying fountain-pen Unusually (I suspect), our lad's school only allows fountain pens. Fark, that's weird. The old-fashioned part of me quite likes the idea, but it makes it much harder for him to write without making a mess. ink. Nowadays with quick-drying Biro ink, it's *less* of a problem, most of the time. I can understand why in fountain pen days, left-handers used to put their hand above the line of writing so the left side of the hand and the little finger, which take the weight of the hand as you write, didn't smear the ink. I went to school with one girl who was left-handed and gripped the pen between the first and last joints of her forefinger and middle finger https://s22.postimg.cc/kgk5h5o35/20180620_135624.jpg, without using her thumb, rather than between thumb and middle finger with forefinger on top https://s22.postimg.cc/4v2tx7rkh/20180620_135659.jpg, as most people do. That looked a *lot* more weird than the fact she was writing with her left hand. Mind you, she took all the weight of her hand on the end of her little finger, which allowed her to keep the base of her hand clear of the paper to avoid it smearing the ink. I've also seen someone holding their pen with only the thumb and forefinger touching it and the middle finger tucked back https://s22.postimg.cc/wwgvb59s1/20180620_140838.jpg which looks equally uncomfortable. But each to their own - whatever people find easiest. |
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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message news On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 15:29:47 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Terry Casey formulated on Wednesday : Same here. I'm always fascinated by the way most folk younger than me grasp a pen ... They don't now do anything like as much hand writing as we had to do at school, the world runs on keyboard entries now. From my point of view, I am much happier on a keyboard, than with a pen - I no longer get the cramps and it is much more legible lol . How about mouse/trackpads ? sudden thought: Thats actually a brain fart. I wonder if Android/iOS can be set up for lefties ? No they cant. iphones particularly have a few physical switches on the edge of the phones. Same with the watch. Currently it seems to be set up for holding the phone in the left hand, and using the right to tap. Not really, that op isnt really handed. Sounds irrelevant, until you realise that cover-cases are handed too ... But you can certainly get cover cases that are other handed. |
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On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 2:49:57 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 20/06/2018 12:17, jkn wrote: Hi All I am thinking of getting a circular saw (185mm) for a few jobs around the place. I am plenty 'handy' enough but for woodworking have tended to stick to hand tools for most of the things I need to do. Apart from the fact that they are scary things, one other consideration for me is that I am left handed, and have a small and somewhat 'malformed' right hand (Poland's Syndrome, if anyone is interested). This normally causes me no problems, but I am aware that tools like this are increasingly ergonomically designed for the majority right-handed folk. My right hand has less strength than my left and sometimes it is awkward for me to 'hold a handle and press a button' with it at the same time - stuff like that. Are there any left-handers here who can offer opinions about designs that are better suited (or less ill-suited) to the sinister amongst us? FWIW I was thinking of the Evolution Rage saw, which I have seen get good press here. Circular saws are not especially "handed" as such since the handles are designed to work with either hand. They have to chose which side the blade is on with respect to the body, Oddly most cordless circular saws opt for the other orientation... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ Gosh, what a lot of replies to my posting ... some almost on-topic! ;-) In answer to a couple of questions raised: - Yes, Poland's Syndrome like I understand Jeremy Beadle had. I have never seen a close-up of his hand so don't know how similar mine it - there is a lot of variation in the effect, and in fact the main diagnostic feature is not the 'dactyl' (claw-like) hand, but a loss of the pectoral muscle and change in the rib shape on the same side. However that is not so noticeable, at least with my clothes on ;-o - would I have been right-handed otherwise? Who knows. My parents did not pressure me, thank Bob, which I think in part accounts for my general skill with my hands. I can type, drive, hang-glide, play the guitar and several other instruments, ect. ect. No-one else in my family is left-handed. I don't feel in any sense that I 'might have been' right handed, but I think it very possible.that without having the Syndrome that I would have been. - I play the guitar right-handed, and use a mouse mat right handed. As for the actual question ... Seems like I might have to go into a shop and have a go at man-handling a saw. I am sure I can use it by standing askance if necessary, I just wondered if there were some that were less 'handed' than others. It's a bit like cameras, which are getting incredibly ergonomic ... as long as your hands fit the makers' idea of what shape a hand should be... Cheers J^n |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:49:56 +0100, John Rumm
wrote: Circular saws are not especially "handed" as such since the handles are designed to work with either hand. .... though they may spit the dust and chips away from a right-hander. A hose connection for a vacuum/dust extractor helps. Thomas Prufer |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 05:16:57 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again: Unusually (I suspect), our lad's school only allows fountain pens. Fark, that's weird. Oh, the IRONY! LOL -- Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp addressing Rot Speed: "You really are a clueless pillock." MID: |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 05:10:26 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again: I'll have a look next time I have steak in a restaurant (if I'm given a proper steak knife) and see if it's handed. Most knives, forks and spoons look symmetrical to me: maybe some steak knives are an exception and the handle is thicker on one side of the blade than the other or the blade is slightly curved. None of my steak knives are handed. Thanks! That's all we wanted to know, senile oaf! BG -- Cursitor Doom about Rot Speed: "The man is a conspicuous and unashamed ignoramus." MID: |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 05:33:28 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again: How about mouse/trackpads ? sudden thought: That¢s actually a brain fart. FLUSH I doubt anyone here wanted yet more senile **** from you, senile Rot! -- Richard addressing Rot Speed: "**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll." MID: |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 05:07:05 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again: that story: most Americans rarely seem to use a knife and cut their food with the blunt edge of their fork in their right hand. That¢s not going to work with steak and chops etc. Darn, senile Rot is also an expert on kitchen knives! VBG -- Cursitor Doom about Rot Speed: "The man is a conspicuous and unashamed ignoramus." MID: |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 04:59:59 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again: I'm firmly right handed (my father was somewhat ambidextrous). But I took up eating "left handed" when I was very small, this just seemed the sensible way to me. It is also how Americans eat No its not. What does it matter to you, senile Rot? You either are already being fed or will soon be fed by your nurse in your old people's home! -- Sqwertz to Rot Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
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On 20/06/2018 19:07, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 04:17:56 -0700 (PDT) jkn wrote: Hi All I am thinking of getting a circular saw (185mm) for a few jobs around the place. I am plenty 'handy' enough but for woodworking have tended to stick to hand tools for most of the things I need to do. Apart from the fact that they are scary things, one other consideration for me is that I am left handed, and have a small and somewhat 'malformed' right hand (Poland's Syndrome, if anyone is interested). There was a lad at school with that - I remember he played the trumpet rather well. This normally causes me no problems, but I am aware that tools like this are increasingly ergonomically designed for the majority right-handed folk. My right hand has less strength than my left and sometimes it is awkward for me to 'hold a handle and press a button' with it at the same time - stuff like that. Are there any left-handers here who can offer opinions about designs that are better suited (or less ill-suited) to the sinister amongst us? Most of what i use a circular saw for (ripping 8x4 sheets of ply etc. or cutting rebates) could be better done with a bench saw. A mitre saw is really useful for crosscutting e.g. 4x2, a sliding mitre saw handles wider stuff too. Add a decent jigsaw and you probably don't need a circular saw. Or there's always the radial arm saw, which will do most things if you have the space for it. But you need a lot of space around your bench saw to handle 8 x 4s. And a big saw table with extensions, or lots of supports at the right height. And then try making accurate, straight angled cuts with respect to the edges. Whereas with a circular saw, you just put two workmates out on the patio (or even indoors), plonk the board on them, clamp on the sawboard and away you go. I agree that the bench saw comes into its own for rebates, also for ripping mitres or chamfers. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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NY wrote: Since I've used a computer for most of what I write - I rarely write letters to anyone when emails are easier and quicker to send and receive - my writing has deteriorated again, so I have to take great care to slow down when filling in a paper form or addressing an envelope. I thought it was just me. Because I was never proud of my handwriting, I took to using a computer perhaps earlier than many. As I also enjoyed producing a reasonable looking document. Not just a chore. And my handwriting has gone downhill ever since. -- *And the cardiologist' s diet: - If it tastes good spit it out. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 20/06/2018 16:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , John Rumm wrote: Odd really, when in many cases the fixed power tool can be more dangerous as it leave both hands free to move close to the blade. A hand-held circular saw need at least one hand on the main handle safely out of the way. (and probably two if its a bigger saw) When I'm cutting things on my sliding saw, they are clamped down. Only one hand needed to operate it - and that's on the handle, well away from the blade. I was thinking more table saw rather than SCMS... (oddly my SCMS is actually slightly biased for right hand use, because the lever which unlocks the blade guard is naturally lifted when a right hand grips the main handle, but less so when a left hand does (you need to remember to lift the tips of the fingers slightly) ) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 20/06/2018 21:56, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:49:56 +0100, John Rumm wrote: Circular saws are not especially "handed" as such since the handles are designed to work with either hand. ... though they may spit the dust and chips away from a right-hander. Depends on which side of it you are standing! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Wednesday, 20 June 2018 19:31:08 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 13:26:02 +0100 "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: Our lad is left-handed. No stigma nowadays, of course, but it has taken a long time to get him to stop getting ink all over his hand as it moves across what he's just written :-) I always thought that left-handers should write from right to left i.e. mirror writing, but I'm not aware of anyone who's actually learned to do it that way. Yes you do. |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 00:18:56 +0100, John Rumm
wrote: Depends on which side of it you are standing! I recall a thicknesser which blew chips out the back -- where I stood to take out the wood, occasionally as a helper. Anywhere in back was "not the right side" -- and anwhere in front meant less sting, but just the same airborne dust... Here, like this -- the funnel and tube are a retrofit. Originally there was just a rectangular hole, with a good view of the spinning blades: https://goo.gl/images/3k5vF2 Good solid machine, but two straight blades that were removed, ground, and had to be reset to the correct height by hand, and then stoned. Thomas Prufer |
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On 20/06/2018 21:46, jkn wrote:
Gosh, what a lot of replies to my posting ... some almost on-topic! As a left hander I have to use a circular saw right handed. Unless you're ripping big things a jigsaw might be easier - they are more symmetric. (If you are ripping big things it won't be up to it) Every one I've ever seen is right handed. Designed that you cut with your right, hold the work with your left, and it throws the dust away from you. But google suggests they do exist. Andy |
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On 21/06/2018 23:16, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 20/06/2018 21:46, jkn wrote: Gosh, what a lot of replies to my posting ... some almost on-topic! As a left hander I have to use a circular saw right handed. Unless you're ripping big things a jigsaw might be easier - they are more symmetric. (If you are ripping big things it won't be up to it) The saw will be up to it, but it will be slower and the cut probably less accurate. Every one I've ever seen is right handed. Designed that you cut with your right, hold the work with your left, and it throws the dust away from you. Not really sure what all the fuss is about... I use mine left and right handed. My cordless is what you might call "left handed" (i.e. blade on the left), and I use that with either hand as well. Quite often the hand you use is dictated by the cut you are making, not your preference or the saw layout. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 20/06/2018 15:41, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 15:29:47 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Terry Casey formulated on Wednesday : Same here. I'm always fascinated by the way most folk younger than me grasp a pen ... They don't now do anything like as much hand writing as we had to do at school, the world runs on keyboard entries now. From my point of view, I am much happier on a keyboard, than with a pen - I no longer get the cramps and it is much more legible lol . How about mouse/trackpads ? sudden thought: I wonder if Android/iOS can be set up for lefties ? Currently it seems to be set up for holding the phone in the left hand, and using the right to tap. Sounds irrelevant, until you realise that cover-cases are handed too ... Buy one that is hinged at the bottom? |
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On 20/06/2018 16:31, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote on 20/06/2018 : How about mouse/trackpads ? I use those right handed. I use either hand depending on where the tea is. |
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On 20/06/2018 12:17, jkn wrote:
Hi All I am thinking of getting a circular saw (185mm) for a few jobs around the place. I am plenty 'handy' enough but for woodworking have tended to stick to hand tools for most of the things I need to do. Apart from the fact that they are scary things, one other consideration for me is that I am left handed, and have a small and somewhat 'malformed' right hand (Poland's Syndrome, if anyone is interested). This normally causes me no problems, but I am aware that tools like this are increasingly ergonomically designed for the majority right-handed folk. My right hand has less strength than my left and sometimes it is awkward for me to 'hold a handle and press a button' with it at the same time - stuff like that. Are there any left-handers here who can offer opinions about designs that are better suited (or less ill-suited) to the sinister amongst us? FWIW I was thinking of the Evolution Rage saw, which I have seen get good press here. Thanks J^n Looking on amazon the mains ones have the handle and motor on the opposite side to the battery ones so maybe you should by a cordless one? Or maybe a table saw for ripping stuff and a sliding mitre saw for cross cutting? |
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On 20/06/2018 17:04, NY wrote:
"harry" wrote in message ... Left handers (I am one)Â* have learned to manage in the mostly RH world. Though they have a good moan about it. I was with someone the other day and we were walking up to a front door to ring the bell. Now doorbells are usually on the opposite side to hinges, and hinges can be on either side. I tend to use whichever hand is closer to ring the bell, depending on which side of the frame the bell is. This guy, who was left handed, had a good moan because the doorbell was on the right-hand side and he'd have to use his left hand across his body. WTF didn't he use his right hand: that's not a precision action that requires the dominant hand. Put a microswitch on the knocker in the middle so lefties and righties can have a moan. |
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 13:36:51 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
On 20/06/2018 17:04, NY wrote: "harry" wrote in message ... Left handers (I am one)Â* have learned to manage in the mostly RH world. Though they have a good moan about it. I was with someone the other day and we were walking up to a front door to ring the bell. Now doorbells are usually on the opposite side to hinges, and hinges can be on either side. I tend to use whichever hand is closer to ring the bell, depending on which side of the frame the bell is. This guy, who was left handed, had a good moan because the doorbell was on the right-hand side and he'd have to use his left hand across his body. WTF didn't he use his right hand: that's not a precision action that requires the dominant hand. Put a microswitch on the knocker in the middle so lefties and righties can have a moan. Our doorbell is in the middle of the door. Right below the brass plate that says: "PLEASE USE THE BELL". Some still knock only... -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Bob Eager wrote: Put a microswitch on the knocker in the middle so lefties and righties can have a moan. Our doorbell is in the middle of the door. Right below the brass plate that says: "PLEASE USE THE BELL". Some still knock only... I recently fitted new door furniture, including bell push. Found a nice illuminated one, and changed the rather weedy light for a pair of LEDs which are visible in daylight. Since then not had anyone knock rather than use the bell. (The old push looked old, even although it did work) -- *Avoid clichés like the plague. (They're old hat.) * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman wrote:
I recently fitted new door furniture, including bell push. Found a nice illuminated one, and changed the rather weedy light for a pair of LEDs which are visible in daylight. same here Since then not had anyone knock rather than use the bell. quite a few ring, then just a few seconds later (when I'm already on the way down the stairs) knock anyway One postie even tries to open my front door, it has a split pad handle so always needs a key from outside, when I opened it he said "oh sorry, I thought it was a porch" but he tried to do it again another day. |
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Andy Burns wrote: I recently fitted new door furniture, including bell push. Found a nice illuminated one, and changed the rather weedy light for a pair of LEDs which are visible in daylight. same here Since then not had anyone knock rather than use the bell. quite a few ring, then just a few seconds later (when I'm already on the way down the stairs) knock anyway Can they hear the bell ring? They can here. -- *Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 23:11:34 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Andy Burns wrote: I recently fitted new door furniture, including bell push. Found a nice illuminated one, and changed the rather weedy light for a pair of LEDs which are visible in daylight. same here Since then not had anyone knock rather than use the bell. quite a few ring, then just a few seconds later (when I'm already on the way down the stairs) knock anyway Can they hear the bell ring? They can here. I'm about to install a speaker so that the system plays a sound file when the bell is pressed. "The bell is ringing. Please wait." -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Dave Plowman wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: quite a few ring, then just a few seconds later (when I'm already on the way down the stairs) knock anyway Can they hear the bell ring? They can here. Yes, it's only a few feet from the door ... |
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