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I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm).
My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? |
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On 16/06/18 18:10, Jim K wrote:
Tim Watts Wrote in message: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? Biscuit bit in a router? I don't have a router But as I might be interesting in getting one, I will have a look - ta. Never heard of those... |
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On 16/06/18 18:13, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/06/18 18:10, Jim K wrote: Tim Watts Wrote in message: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? Biscuit bit in a router? I don't have a router But as I might be interesting in getting one, I will have a look - ta. Never heard of those... Ah - I see... The only difference I can see is the lateral alighnment (or not). Is that too important, or does one just make the slot a bit wider than needed? |
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Tim Watts wrote:
My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I got a cheapo biscuit jointer from LidAldi, and have used it on a few extra jobs to the one it was bought for, but of course you can't buy their tools when you need them ... but if you want expensive get a Domino. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? My metal dowel jig hasn't had much use, the last time I used dowels I wanted 15mm, so had to make a custom guide anyway. |
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Tim Watts Wrote in message:
I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? Biscuit bit in a router? -- -- Jim K |
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Tim Watts Wrote in message:
On 16/06/18 18:13, Tim Watts wrote: On 16/06/18 18:10, Jim K wrote: Tim Watts Wrote in message: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? Biscuit bit in a router? I don't have a router But as I might be interesting in getting one, I will have a look - ta. Never heard of those... Ah - I see... The only difference I can see is the lateral alighnment (or not). Is that too important, or does one just make the slot a bit wider than needed? Er yes :-) once the glue & biscuit has expanded it won't make any difference IMHO. You could even do a slot on edge of each piece of wood & put your choice of number of biscuits in. (Ducks down behind parapet awaiting incoming ;-) ) -- -- Jim K |
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Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I got a cheapo biscuit jointer from LidAldi, and have used it on a few extra jobs to the one it was bought for, but of course you can't buy their tools when you need them ... but if you want expensive get a Domino. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? My metal dowel jig hasn't had much use, the last time I used dowels I wanted 15mm, so had to make a custom guide anyway. These things are very handy for the odd doweling job. https://tinyurl.com/yawrca2m |
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writes On 16/06/18 18:13, Tim Watts wrote: On 16/06/18 18:10, Jim K wrote: Tim Watts Wrote in message: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? Biscuit bit in a router? I don't have a router But as I might be interesting in getting one, I will have a look - ta. Never heard of those... Ah - I see... The only difference I can see is the lateral alighnment (or not). Is that too important, or does one just make the slot a bit wider than needed? I wouldn't call 800x600 a plank! You can d-i-y tongue and groove if you have access to a bench saw. Create an edge slot by several passes through the saw with the blade set to a shallow cut. Then use a strip of thin ply or cut a strip off a batten as the tongue. -- Tim Lamb |
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On 17/06/18 00:38, FMurtz wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: Tim Watts wrote: My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I got a cheapo biscuit jointer from LidAldi, and have used it on a few extra jobs to the one it was bought for, but of course you can't buy their tools when you need them ... but if you want expensive get a Domino. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? My metal dowel jig hasn't had much use, the last time I used dowels I wanted 15mm, so had to make a custom guide anyway. These things are very handy for the odd doweling job. https://tinyurl.com/yawrca2m I have used those before - they are a possibility, though I have struggled to drill the holes sufficiently at right angles. I stumbled across this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wolfcraft-4...dp/B0001P19PY/ which looks interesting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkScV-iRmC4 That's got the drill guide, for smaller dowells I should be able to use my 10.8V power drill (small and light). Anyone used one? |
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On 17/06/18 09:00, Tim Lamb wrote:
I wouldn't call 800x600 a plank! That's the finished size Probably use 150mm wide planks as a reasonable balance between cost and width - maybe in something fancy like cherry for the hell of it as it will be very much on show (it's to go over a washing machine in an alcove round the back). You can d-i-y tongue and groove if you have access to a bench saw. Create an edge slot by several passes through the saw with the blade set to a shallow cut. I so wish I had a bench saw I don't even have the covered space for one right now... Then use a strip of thin ply or cut a strip off a batten as the tongue. |
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Tim Watts Wrote in message:
On 17/06/18 00:38, FMurtz wrote: Andy Burns wrote: Tim Watts wrote: My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I got a cheapo biscuit jointer from LidAldi, and have used it on a few extra jobs to the one it was bought for, but of course you can't buy their tools when you need them ... but if you want expensive get a Domino. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? My metal dowel jig hasn't had much use, the last time I used dowels I wanted 15mm, so had to make a custom guide anyway. These things are very handy for the odd doweling job. https://tinyurl.com/yawrca2m I have used those before - they are a possibility, though I have struggled to drill the holes sufficiently at right angles. I stumbled across this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wolfcraft-4...dp/B0001P19PY/ which looks interesting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkScV-iRmC4 That's got the drill guide, for smaller dowells I should be able to use my 10.8V power drill (small and light). Anyone used one? Not me but it looks very cleverly thought through on the video. -- -- Jim K |
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On 17/06/18 10:53, Jim K wrote:
Not me but it looks very cleverly thought through on the video. I did find it after I posted the original question - I might take a punt for that price - and it is something that can go in the drawer rather than be another tool lying around. Better buy a set of 3 decent clamps now - at least they're universally useful I'll be interested in how flush the end result is (placement accuracy) - all I have for a "flat" worksurface is this: https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Keter-...kbench/41-3168 But to be fair, it's one of Keter's better products and is remarkably useful as a general surface that packs away. |
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On 16/06/2018 18:02, Tim Watts wrote:
I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. Rutlands were touting what looks like it could be a reasonable chepie recently: https://www.rutlands.co.uk/sp+power-...utlands+xt2301 I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? It depends on what you are doing... Thinks like aligning long edge glue ups, biscuits are very good for. Dowels also work but are more fiddly to use in that applications. For things like joints into end grain, then dowels are usually better. (dowels align on two axis - biscuits only really on one (although there are some nift Lamello biscuits designed to hammer into perpendicular slots that then pull joints together nicely). -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 16/06/2018 18:13, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/06/18 18:10, Jim K wrote: Tim Watts Wrote in message: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? Biscuit bit in a router? I don't have a router You sad twisted individual ;-) But as I might be interesting in getting one, I will have a look - ta. Never heard of those... IME the biscuit cutters for routers are sub optimal... oh and they are also evil! ;-) The main advantage of the BJ is that it cuts the whole slot quickly, safely, and in one plunge. The radius of the cutting wheel matches that of the biscuit. With the router cutters they are necessarily smaller to fit through the base of the router, so you need to plunge them in, then slide along the required amount, and then withdraw from the cut. Its slower and the slot fits the biscuit less well. The other big problem is that the required sequence of events means you need to set the cutter depth and lock it off. That means its exposed. You need to lower into position, then slide to the side to start the cut. Remove at the end of the cut and at no time lift or tilt the router or change the plunge setting while anywhere near the wood - else you will likely have a lump out of it in a place where you did not want it. DAMHIK. Put it this way, I sold my BJ router cutters on ebay! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 17/06/2018 10:07, Tim Watts wrote:
On 17/06/18 09:00, Tim Lamb wrote: I wouldn't call 800x600 a plank! That's the finished size Probably use 150mm wide planks as a reasonable balance between cost and width - maybe in something fancy like cherry for the hell of it as it will be very much on show (it's to go over a washing machine in an alcove round the back). You can d-i-y tongue and groove if you have access to a bench saw. Create an edge slot by several passes through the saw with the blade set to a shallow cut. I so wish I had a bench saw I don't even have the covered space for one right now... Then use a strip of thin ply or cut a strip off a batten as the tongue. Yup, basically a floating tenon. Can work very well. Without a table saw, a small router will do this job easily. A straight 1/4" fluted cutter in the end and a pair of matching slots on the side of the timber. Also worth noting that with long grain glue ups of planks, you don't actually need any additional biscuits, or dowels etc from a strength point of view. The glue alone will be plenty strong enough. The main thing you get is ease of alignment. You can do similar with clamping cawls - basically some straight[1] battens coverd with parcel tape (so the glue does not stick), that you camp across the boads being jointed to hold them all flat and in the same plane while they set). [1] if you want to get posh, planing a slight convex clamping surface on them makes them grip better when all the clamping force is at the ends of the cawls - the shape increases the grip in the middle of the cawl. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 17/06/2018 12:29, Tim Watts wrote:
On 17/06/18 10:53, Jim K wrote: Not me but it looks very cleverly thought through on the video. I did find it after I posted the original question - I might take a punt for that price - and it is something that can go in the drawer rather than be another tool lying around. Better buy a set of 3 decent clamps now - at least they're universally useful I'll be interested in how flush the end result is (placement accuracy) - all I have for a "flat" worksurface is this: https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Keter-...kbench/41-3168 But to be fair, it's one of Keter's better products and is remarkably useful as a general surface that packs away. See my comments about cowls earlier. However this is where things like the BJ win, since you use them to reference the slot position from the finished surface - so you can even glue different thickness boards with their final finished surface perfectly aligned. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Rumm writes On 16/06/2018 18:13, Tim Watts wrote: On 16/06/18 18:10, Jim K wrote: Tim Watts Wrote in message: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? Biscuit bit in a router? I don't have a router You sad twisted individual ;-) But as I might be interesting in getting one, I will have a look - ta. Never heard of those... IME the biscuit cutters for routers are sub optimal... oh and they are also evil! ;-) They're fine for cutting slots using an adjustable router table. -- Tim Lamb |
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On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 2:12:57 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 16/06/2018 18:02, Tim Watts wrote: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. Rutlands were touting what looks like it could be a reasonable chepie recently: https://www.rutlands.co.uk/sp+power-...utlands+xt2301 I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? It depends on what you are doing... Thinks like aligning long edge glue ups, biscuits are very good for. Dowels also work but are more fiddly to use in that applications. For things like joints into end grain, then dowels are usually better. (dowels align on two axis - biscuits only really on one (although there are some nift Lamello biscuits designed to hammer into perpendicular slots that then pull joints together nicely). -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ I watched a youtube video and the guy compared different joints. The biscuit joint was little better than a butt joint |
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On 17/06/2018 14:19, John Rumm wrote:
On 16/06/2018 18:13, Tim Watts wrote: On 16/06/18 18:10, Jim K wrote: Tim Watts Wrote in message: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? Biscuit bit in a router? I don't have a router You sad twisted individual ;-) But as I might be interesting in getting one, I will have a look - ta. Never heard of those... IME the biscuit cutters for routers are sub optimal... oh and they are also evil! ;-) The main advantage of the BJ is that it cuts the whole slot quickly, safely, and in one plunge. The radius of the cutting wheel matches that of the biscuit. With the router cutters they are necessarily smaller to fit through the base of the router, so you need to plunge them in, then slide along the required amount, and then withdraw from the cut. Its slower and the slot fits the biscuit less well. The other big problem is that the required sequence of events means you need to set the cutter depth and lock it off. That means its exposed. You need to lower into position, then slide to the side to start the cut. Remove at the end of the cut and at no time lift or tilt the router or change the plunge setting while anywhere near the wood - else you will likely have a lump out of it in a place where you did not want it. DAMHIK. Put it this way, I sold my BJ router cutters on ebay! +1. Once you get the hang of a biscuit jointer, it's quick and easy to make reasonably accurate joints. And cheap ones work OK (I would not recommend a cheap router though). I've never made up a shelf out of planks. For a long time now I've always made shelving units up out of 18mm plywood (usually with 6 mm for the backs). If it is going to be painted and/or doesn't have to look particularly smart I economise by using shuttering ply. (I have an ancient cottage, so "rustic" fits in well). Biscuit cutter and of course sawboard are my best friends. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 17/06/2018 16:27, misterroy wrote:
I watched a youtube video and the guy compared different joints. The biscuit joint was little better than a butt joint It's not the individual joints which hold a useful structure together, it is the overall structural design. If you are making (say) a basic bookcase with butt jointed shelves and vertical members, biscuit joints let you put it together quickly, provided you cut the members accurately enough (sawboard!) If you then screw and glue 6 mm ply on the back to take the shear, the whole structure becomes very strong (even if you don't rebate the back). Dowelling the back might be theoretically better but suitably sized screws with pilot holes work too. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 17/06/18 14:12, John Rumm wrote:
On 16/06/2018 18:02, Tim Watts wrote: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. Rutlands were touting what looks like it could be a reasonable chepie recently: https://www.rutlands.co.uk/sp+power-...utlands+xt2301 Hi John, That's at a rather good price - thanks for the link. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? It depends on what you are doing... Thinks like aligning long edge glue ups, biscuits are very good for. Dowels also work but are more fiddly to use in that applications. For things like joints into end grain, then dowels are usually better. (dowels align on two axis - biscuits only really on one (although there are some nift Lamello biscuits designed to hammer into perpendicular slots that then pull joints together nicely). Interesting - thanks for the explanation |
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wolfcraft-4...dp/B0001P19PY/ Anyone used one? Looks better than the toolsatan cheap junk that I returned, 90 degrees my arse! |
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John Rumm Wrote in message:
On 17/06/2018 12:29, Tim Watts wrote: On 17/06/18 10:53, Jim K wrote: Not me but it looks very cleverly thought through on the video. I did find it after I posted the original question - I might take a punt for that price - and it is something that can go in the drawer rather than be another tool lying around. Better buy a set of 3 decent clamps now - at least they're universally useful I'll be interested in how flush the end result is (placement accuracy) - all I have for a "flat" worksurface is this: https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Keter-...kbench/41-3168 But to be fair, it's one of Keter's better products and is remarkably useful as a general surface that packs away. See my comments about cowls earlier. However this is where things like the BJ win, since you use them to reference the slot position from the finished surface - so you can even glue different thickness boards with their final finished surface perfectly aligned. Shurely a BJ bit in a router could also achieve this? -- -- Jim K |
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"newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 17/06/2018 16:27, misterroy wrote: I watched a youtube video and the guy compared different joints. The biscuit joint was little better than a butt joint It's not the individual joints which hold a useful structure together, it is the overall structural design. If you are making (say) a basic bookcase with butt jointed shelves and vertical members, biscuit joints let you put it together quickly, provided you cut the members accurately enough (sawboard!) If you then screw and glue 6 mm ply on the back to take the shear, the whole structure becomes very strong (even if you don't rebate the back). Dowelling the back might be theoretically better but suitably sized screws with pilot holes work too. IMO it works a lot better to weld up rectangular frames of dexion square 25mm slotted tubing, sit that on the floor, bolt it to the wall and have aluminium flats cut to length in the vertical slots and sit the shelves on those. And have more verticals with the heavy stuff like bookshelves so you can use the much cheaper melamine coated mdf instead of timber or ply. And have the frame front to back distance so that the long lengths you get from the shed drop in and only need to be cut to length. |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 06:09:40 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again: IMO it works a lot better to weld up rectangular frames of dexion square 25mm slotted tubing, sit that on the floor, bolt it to the wall and have aluminium flats cut to length in the vertical slots and sit the shelves on those. And have more verticals with the heavy stuff like bookshelves so you can use the much cheaper melamine coated mdf instead of timber or ply. And have the frame front to back distance so that the long lengths you get from the shed drop in and only need to be cut to length. Darn, so far this thread has been Rot-free! And now the cretin HAD to butt in with his senile rot again! |
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On 17/06/2018 15:58, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John Rumm writes On 16/06/2018 18:13, Tim Watts wrote: On 16/06/18 18:10, Jim K wrote: Tim Watts Wrote in message: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? Biscuit bit in a router? Â*I don't have a router You sad twisted individual ;-) But as I might be interesting in getting one, I will have a look - ta. Never heard of those... IME the biscuit cutters for routers are sub optimal... oh and they are also evil! ;-) They're fine for cutting slots using an adjustable router table. Yup table use is far easier that hand held with them, but still nothing like as useful as the proper tool though. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 17/06/2018 19:58, Jim K wrote:
John Rumm Wrote in message: On 17/06/2018 12:29, Tim Watts wrote: On 17/06/18 10:53, Jim K wrote: Not me but it looks very cleverly thought through on the video. I did find it after I posted the original question - I might take a punt for that price - and it is something that can go in the drawer rather than be another tool lying around. Better buy a set of 3 decent clamps now - at least they're universally useful I'll be interested in how flush the end result is (placement accuracy) - all I have for a "flat" worksurface is this: https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Keter-...kbench/41-3168 But to be fair, it's one of Keter's better products and is remarkably useful as a general surface that packs away. See my comments about cowls earlier. However this is where things like the BJ win, since you use them to reference the slot position from the finished surface - so you can even glue different thickness boards with their final finished surface perfectly aligned. Shurely a BJ bit in a router could also achieve this? Its can, but its a PITA to use in comparison the the proper tool IME. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 17/06/2018 16:27, misterroy wrote:
On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 2:12:57 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 16/06/2018 18:02, Tim Watts wrote: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. Rutlands were touting what looks like it could be a reasonable chepie recently: https://www.rutlands.co.uk/sp+power-...utlands+xt2301 I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? It depends on what you are doing... Thinks like aligning long edge glue ups, biscuits are very good for. Dowels also work but are more fiddly to use in that applications. For things like joints into end grain, then dowels are usually better. (dowels align on two axis - biscuits only really on one (although there are some nift Lamello biscuits designed to hammer into perpendicular slots that then pull joints together nicely). I watched a youtube video and the guy compared different joints. The biscuit joint was little better than a butt joint Depends on what you think its doing. Its not a replacement for M&T joints etc, but its a quick way to to make assembly fast and accurate, while adding a bit of additional strength in some axis. If you want the speed and ease of biscuit jointing, but real joint strength as well, then get a Festool Domino system. Just make sure you are sitting down before looking at the price! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 17:29:25 +0100
newshound wrote: I've never made up a shelf out of planks. I've found T&G timber floorboards are good for making wider shelves For a long time now I've always made shelving units up out of 18mm plywood (usually with 6 mm for the backs). A sandwich of ply/OSB/etc. glued and screwed to softwood battens at the edges (with extra in the middle if it's really deep) is a construction that works well in lots of applications. |
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On 17/06/2018 18:31, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wolfcraft-4...dp/B0001P19PY/ Anyone used one? Looks better than the toolsatan cheap junk that I returned, 90 degrees my arse! It looks like an updated version of the one I've had for 20+ years. With care, you can get good results. Mine has a guide which clamps on the underside as you look at the photo for some joints. It can be a pain to get right/stay where put. -- Suspect someone is claiming a benefit under false pretences? Incapacity Benefit or Personal Independence Payment when they don't need it? They are depriving those in real need! https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud |
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On 16/06/2018 18:02, Tim Watts wrote:
I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? As others have said, a biscuit jointer is expensive for a one off. Dowels are cheap and easy. Have you considered just glue and clamping? -- Suspect someone is claiming a benefit under false pretences? Incapacity Benefit or Personal Independence Payment when they don't need it? They are depriving those in real need! https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud |
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On 18/06/18 00:40, John Rumm wrote:
Festool Domino Clever... But *ow!* |
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Brian Reay wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: Looks better than the toolsatan cheap junk that I returned, 90 degrees my arse! It looks like an updated version of the one I've had for 20+ years. Basic design looks ok similar to the woldcraft, but as I said it was something like 88° rather than a right angle, normal 'quality' for Silverline ... |
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John Rumm Wrote in message:
On 17/06/2018 19:58, Jim K wrote: John Rumm Wrote in message: On 17/06/2018 12:29, Tim Watts wrote: On 17/06/18 10:53, Jim K wrote: Not me but it looks very cleverly thought through on the video. I did find it after I posted the original question - I might take a punt for that price - and it is something that can go in the drawer rather than be another tool lying around. Better buy a set of 3 decent clamps now - at least they're universally useful I'll be interested in how flush the end result is (placement accuracy) - all I have for a "flat" worksurface is this: https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Keter-...kbench/41-3168 But to be fair, it's one of Keter's better products and is remarkably useful as a general surface that packs away. See my comments about cowls earlier. However this is where things like the BJ win, since you use them to reference the slot position from the finished surface - so you can even glue different thickness boards with their final finished surface perfectly aligned. Shurely a BJ bit in a router could also achieve this? Its can, but its a PITA to use in comparison the the proper tool IME. I've got by on the odd occasion. Don't forget it is for one shelf.... -- Jim K |
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On 16/06/2018 18:10, Jim K wrote:
Tim Watts Wrote in message: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? Biscuit bit in a router? If you want a Biscuit bit for a Router ... I have one I no longer use - happy to sell |
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On 18/06/2018 08:03, Tim Watts wrote:
On 18/06/18 00:40, John Rumm wrote: Festool Domino Clever... But *ow!* Now go look at the XL version ;-) (to be fair, in a production shop it would probably pay for itself in the first week) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 18/06/2018 08:03, Tim Watts wrote:
On 18/06/18 00:40, John Rumm wrote: Festool Domino Clever... But *ow!* Worth noting you can do similar but a little less quickly with a plunge router and a mortising jig and some home made slip tenons. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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rick Wrote in message:
On 16/06/2018 18:10, Jim K wrote: Tim Watts Wrote in message: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? Biscuit bit in a router? If you want a Biscuit bit for a Router ... I have one I no longer use - happy to sell Who me? I already have one, hence the suggestion... -- -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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"Brian Reay" wrote in message news On 16/06/2018 18:02, Tim Watts wrote: I have to make up a shelf from planks (800mmx600mm). My first thought was biscuit jointer, but they're not cheap for something I will use very sparingly. I am wondering if a good dowelling jig might be a better investment? As others have said, a biscuit jointer is expensive for a one off. Dowels are cheap and easy. Have you considered just glue and clamping? bodger ... |
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