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So they need to remove some lights to take down a ceiling at a school.
Not a problem, turn the lights off at the switch and then just cut one of the three T&E cables going to the first light. "I don't understand why it went bang I had turned off the lights" -- Adam |
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ARW wrote:
"I don't understand why it went bang I had turned off the lights" "To keep it safe until the ceiling was re-boarded and new rose was fitted I connected all the red wires together and all the black wires together" |
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On Saturday, 21 April 2018 15:38:54 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
So they need to remove some lights to take down a ceiling at a school. That would be covered by a full Method Statement and Risk Assessment, then. Owain |
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Yes well if they don't know then they should ask somebody who does. I would
have thought that people in the building trade ought to know that the unstitched live is always present at the light socket as well, how do they think it got there? Black magic? Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "ARW" wrote in message ... So they need to remove some lights to take down a ceiling at a school. Not a problem, turn the lights off at the switch and then just cut one of the three T&E cables going to the first light. "I don't understand why it went bang I had turned off the lights" -- Adam |
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Not like the guy who decided that when there were a lot of power cuts he
would simply wire a 13amp plug to the end of his generator and plug it in a spare socket. I am glad I was not at his house when the power came back on or indeed when he left the plug lying around with the generator running. OK so he turned the mains off, but well, I mean. No idea of what current stuff uses. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... ARW wrote: "I don't understand why it went bang I had turned off the lights" "To keep it safe until the ceiling was re-boarded and new rose was fitted I connected all the red wires together and all the black wires together" |
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On 21/04/2018 20:52, Brian Gaff wrote:
Not like the guy who decided that when there were a lot of power cuts he would simply wire a 13amp plug to the end of his generator and plug it in a spare socket. I am glad I was not at his house when the power came back on or indeed when he left the plug lying around with the generator running. OK so he turned the mains off, but well, I mean. No idea of what current stuff uses. A useful way to 'lend' electricity to a neighbour who has been cut off: A cable with a plug each end. -- Max Demian |
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On 21/04/2018 20:54, Brian Gaff wrote:
Probably the kids knew more than the builders in that case. Yes, but an unaccompanied male will automatically shag any primary school child he comes across.. -- Max Demian |
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On Saturday, 21 April 2018 23:08:08 UTC+1, Max Demian wrote:
A useful way to 'lend' electricity to a neighbour who has been cut off: A cable with a plug each end. The DNOs have this sort of kit, with safeguards, for exactly this purpose. Owain |
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On Saturday, 21 April 2018 20:52:55 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
Not like the guy who decided that when there were a lot of power cuts he would simply wire a 13amp plug to the end of his generator and plug it in a spare socket. I am glad I was not at his house when the power came back on or indeed when he left the plug lying around with the generator running. OK so he turned the mains off, but well, I mean. No idea of what current stuff uses. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... ARW wrote: "I don't understand why it went bang I had turned off the lights" "To keep it safe until the ceiling was re-boarded and new rose was fitted I connected all the red wires together and all the black wires together" It's called a"Jesus cord". If you're going to do it, the mains has to be turned off to isolate you from everywhere else while your local generator is running The danger is you can have a cable with a plug on the end with live pins. |
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On 21/04/2018 23:10, Max Demian wrote:
On 21/04/2018 20:54, Brian Gaff wrote: Probably the kids knew more than the builders in that case. Yes, but an unaccompanied male will automatically shag any primary school child he comes across.. I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. -- Adam |
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On 22/04/18 08:34, ARW wrote:
On 21/04/2018 23:10, Max Demian wrote: On 21/04/2018 20:54, Brian Gaff wrote: Probably the kids knew more than the builders in that case. Yes, but an unaccompanied male will automatically shag any primary school child he comes across.. I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? |
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On Sunday, 22 April 2018 10:25:28 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? 113 primary school pupils with an exclusion reason of physical assault against an adult in year 16/17. Not Tower Hamlets. https://new.devon.gov.uk/accesstoinf...ults-in-school Owain |
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On 22/04/2018 11:51, Huge wrote:
On 2018-04-22, Tim Watts wrote: On 22/04/18 08:34, ARW wrote: On 21/04/2018 23:10, Max Demian wrote: On 21/04/2018 20:54, Brian Gaff wrote: Probably the kids knew more than the builders in that case. Yes, but an unaccompanied male will automatically shag any primary school child he comes across.. I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? It's probably to protect him against accusations of "inappropriate behaviour" by the brats. That and they can also be look out so my tools are not stolen. -- Adam |
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On 22/04/2018 10:25, Tim Watts wrote:
I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? Last week they (more than one person) ripped off the toilet light switch (leaving live wires sticking out the wall), dropped the switch into the urinal and then **** on it. -- Adam |
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On 22/04/2018 14:28, Huge wrote:
On 2018-04-22, ARW wrote: On 22/04/2018 10:25, Tim Watts wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? Last week they (more than one person) ripped off the toilet light switch (leaving live wires sticking out the wall), dropped the switch into the urinal and then **** on it. If it were up to me, that's how it would stay, too. Even if it was in the teachers' loo? -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 22/04/18 12:40, wrote:
On Sunday, 22 April 2018 10:25:28 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? 113 primary school pupils with an exclusion reason of physical assault against an adult in year 16/17. Not Tower Hamlets. https://new.devon.gov.uk/accesstoinf...ults-in-school Owain Jesus... |
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On 22/04/18 14:25, ARW wrote:
On 22/04/2018 10:25, Tim Watts wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? Last week they (more than one person) ripped off the toilet light switch (leaving live wires sticking out the wall), dropped the switch into the urinal and then **** on it. But at least the teachers are no longer allowed to apply corporal punishment... |
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On 22/04/2018 12:40, wrote:
On Sunday, 22 April 2018 10:25:28 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? 113 primary school pupils with an exclusion reason of physical assault against an adult in year 16/17. Not Tower Hamlets. https://new.devon.gov.uk/accesstoinf...ults-in-school If one of them tried to assault me I would respond with a lot more force than they were expecting. It is as Hugh says, to stop allegations. -- Adam |
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On 22/04/2018 14:45, ARW wrote:
On 22/04/2018 12:40, wrote: On Sunday, 22 April 2018 10:25:28 UTC+1, Tim WattsÂ* wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? 113 primary school pupilsÂ* with an exclusion reason of physical assault against an adult in year 16/17. Not Tower Hamlets. https://new.devon.gov.uk/accesstoinf...ults-in-school If one of them tried to assault me I would respond with a lot more force than they were expecting. It is as Hugh says, to stop allegations. Maybe you should invest in one of those body cams like the police and high-court bailiffs wear ?. Could be useful for any situation where the client shows signs of amnesia or is unable to make a firm decision. |
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On 22/04/2018 14:25, ARW wrote:
On 22/04/2018 10:25, Tim Watts wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? Last week they (more than one person) ripped off the toilet light switch (leaving live wires sticking out the wall), dropped the switch into the urinal and then **** on it. Must be all this new-fangled Aspergers syndrome that seems to be the fashion these days amongst educationalists. When I was in school we just used to nick the light bulbs and lob them into the cistern above the urinal, so they made a nice clinking noise as it flushed. |
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On 22/04/18 14:45, ARW wrote:
On 22/04/2018 12:40, wrote: On Sunday, 22 April 2018 10:25:28 UTC+1, Tim WattsÂ* wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? 113 primary school pupilsÂ* with an exclusion reason of physical assault against an adult in year 16/17. Not Tower Hamlets. https://new.devon.gov.uk/accesstoinf...ults-in-school If one of them tried to assault me I would respond with a lot more force than they were expecting. It is as Hugh says, to stop allegations. Yes I can see that. It's a sad world we live in now... I had to have a DBS just to help a school with editing some fete photos (really!) and off site. I was never unaccompanied on school premises. |
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On 22/04/2018 15:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 22/04/18 14:45, ARW wrote: On 22/04/2018 12:40, wrote: On Sunday, 22 April 2018 10:25:28 UTC+1, Tim WattsÂ* wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? 113 primary school pupilsÂ* with an exclusion reason of physical assault against an adult in year 16/17. Not Tower Hamlets. https://new.devon.gov.uk/accesstoinf...ults-in-school If one of them tried to assault me I would respond with a lot more force than they were expecting. It is as Hugh says, to stop allegations. Yes I can see that. It's a sad world we live in now... I had to have a DBS just to help a school with editing some fete photos (really!) and off site. I was never unaccompanied on school premises. s/sad/stupid/ Serves no purpose whatever other than to placate the Rantzens of this world. -- Max Demian |
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 23:08:02 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
On 21/04/2018 20:52, Brian Gaff wrote: Not like the guy who decided that when there were a lot of power cuts he would simply wire a 13amp plug to the end of his generator and plug it in a spare socket. I am glad I was not at his house when the power came back on or indeed when he left the plug lying around with the generator running. OK so he turned the mains off, but well, I mean. No idea of what current stuff uses. A useful way to 'lend' electricity to a neighbour who has been cut off: A cable with a plug each end. Aka a "Jesus cord". I'm not sure of its origin which I think is American but two possibilities spring to mind, "A JESUS H. CHRIST!" that was a nasty shock "Cord" (120vac if I'm right about its American origin) or else named for the moment after it electrocutes you and you get to say "Hi Jesus! What an unexpected surprise!". :-) -- Johnny B Good |
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Max Demian writes:
A useful way to 'lend' electricity to a neighbour who has been cut off: A cable with a plug each end. In the hall of residence we only had 2A round pin sockets, 3 or 4 rooms shared a single fuse. The fuse was easily blown. Someone had the bright idea of doing exactly the above. Shame that the rooms that he had wired together were on different phases when the power came back on. -- Alan J. Wylie https://www.wylie.me.uk/ Dance like no-one's watching. / Encrypt like everyone is. Security is inversely proportional to convenience |
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On 22/04/2018 14:25, ARW wrote:
On 22/04/2018 10:25, Tim Watts wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? Last week they (more than one person) ripped off the toilet light switch (leaving live wires sticking out the wall), dropped the switch into the urinal and then **** on it. One school I worked at someone shat in the staffroom kettle. Bill |
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On 22/04/2018 20:00, Alan J. Wylie wrote:
Shame that the rooms that he had wired together were on different phases when the power came back on. Oh we did that a couple of weeks ago. -- Adam |
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On 22/04/18 20:00, Alan J. Wylie wrote:
Max Demian writes: A useful way to 'lend' electricity to a neighbour who has been cut off: A cable with a plug each end. In the hall of residence we only had 2A round pin sockets, 3 or 4 rooms shared a single fuse. The fuse was easily blown. Someone had the bright idea of doing exactly the above. Shame that the rooms that he had wired together were on different phases when the power came back on. :) York Uni did that in some of the blocks - only I think it was the whole corridor that went black when someone put a toaster on! |
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On 22/04/2018 19:07, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 23:08:02 +0100, Max Demian wrote: On 21/04/2018 20:52, Brian Gaff wrote: Not like the guy who decided that when there were a lot of power cuts he would simply wire a 13amp plug to the end of his generator and plug it in a spare socket. I am glad I was not at his house when the power came back on or indeed when he left the plug lying around with the generator running. OK so he turned the mains off, but well, I mean. No idea of what current stuff uses. A useful way to 'lend' electricity to a neighbour who has been cut off: A cable with a plug each end. Aka a "Jesus cord". I'm not sure of its origin which I think is American but two possibilities spring to mind, "A JESUS H. CHRIST!" that was a nasty shock "Cord" (120vac if I'm right about its American origin) or else named for the moment after it electrocutes you and you get to say "Hi Jesus! What an unexpected surprise!". :-) I think they have Jesus Bolts on Helicopters and a Jesus pins on Hang gliders. Maybe the name depends on the cultural religion ? |
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On 22/04/2018 22:40, Robert wrote:
On 22/04/2018 19:07, Johnny B Good wrote: On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 23:08:02 +0100, Max Demian wrote: On 21/04/2018 20:52, Brian Gaff wrote: Not like the guy who decided that when there were a lot of power cuts he would simply wire a 13amp plug to the end of his generator and plug it in a spare socket. I am glad I was not at his house when the power came back on or indeed when he left the plug lying around with the generator running. OK so he turned the mains off, but well, I mean. No idea of what current stuff uses. A useful way to 'lend' electricity to a neighbour who has been cut off: A cable with a plug each end. Â* Aka a "Jesus cord". I'm not sure of its origin which I think is American but two possibilities spring to mind, Â* "A JESUS H. CHRIST!" that was a nasty shock "Cord" (120vac if I'm right about its American origin) or else named for the moment after it electrocutes you and you get to say "Hi Jesus! What an unexpected surprise!". :-) I think they have Jesus Bolts on Helicopters Jesus Nut on a Huey - according to the book I've just read (Chickehawk). And I have heard that elsewhere. SteveW |
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On 22/04/2018 15:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 22/04/18 14:45, ARW wrote: On 22/04/2018 12:40, wrote: On Sunday, 22 April 2018 10:25:28 UTC+1, Tim WattsÂ* wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? 113 primary school pupilsÂ* with an exclusion reason of physical assault against an adult in year 16/17. Not Tower Hamlets. https://new.devon.gov.uk/accesstoinf...ults-in-school If one of them tried to assault me I would respond with a lot more force than they were expecting. It is as Hugh says, to stop allegations. Yes I can see that. It's a sad world we live in now... I had to have a DBS just to help a school with editing some fete photos (really!) and off site. I was never unaccompanied on school premises. Last year our middle son performed a major role in his primary school's year 6 leaving play, with lots of lines, a number of songs and a couple of solo sections - this was particularly significant for us as he'd had confidence issues after a prolonged period of bullying and had only moved schools the year before. Parents, grandparents, etc. (as usual) were allowed to film, as long as they agreed not to put it on the internet. However, one parent managed to arrange for his nephew (a final year cinematography student) to film it for us all. The school barred him, because they wouldn't accept him editing the video off the premises - despite parents being able to take their recordings home and him being a relative! Instead, the school arranged to record it for us, so no-one else bothered. During the first performance, they messed up the recording and during the second, the battery died. They said they'd try and edit the two perfomances together. Nothing ever appeared and we are left with no video, just a few stills that I took myself. Next year, our youngest will be leaving the same school. I will ensure that I video his performance myself! SteveW |
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On 22/04/2018 14:37, Tim Watts wrote:
On 22/04/18 14:25, ARW wrote: On 22/04/2018 10:25, Tim Watts wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? Last week they (more than one person) ripped off the toilet light switch (leaving live wires sticking out the wall), dropped the switch into the urinal and then **** on it. But at least the teachers are no longer allowed to apply corporal punishment... How I wish that corporal punishment still existed! It was abolished shortly before I left school. In my first year at secondary school, there was very little misbehaviour. CP was abolished while I was there. By my final year, behaviour had deteriorated markedly. The only problem with it for me was that although I only received it once - I was not actually guilty of what I'd been accused of! SteveW |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 22:44:25 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:
On 22/04/2018 22:40, Robert wrote: On 22/04/2018 19:07, Johnny B Good wrote: On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 23:08:02 +0100, Max Demian wrote: On 21/04/2018 20:52, Brian Gaff wrote: Not like the guy who decided that when there were a lot of power cuts he would simply wire a 13amp plug to the end of his generator and plug it in a spare socket. I am glad I was not at his house when the power came back on or indeed when he left the plug lying around with the generator running. OK so he turned the mains off, but well, I mean. No idea of what current stuff uses. A useful way to 'lend' electricity to a neighbour who has been cut off: A cable with a plug each end. Â* Aka a "Jesus cord". I'm not sure of its origin which I think is American but two possibilities spring to mind, Â* "A JESUS H. CHRIST!" that was a nasty shock "Cord" (120vac if I'm Â* right about its American origin) or else named for the moment after it electrocutes you and you get to say "Hi Jesus! What an unexpected surprise!". :-) I think they have Jesus Bolts on Helicopters Jesus Nut on a Huey - according to the book I've just read (Chickehawk). And I have heard that elsewhere. I think the etymology in these cases arises out of what you'd scream out loud if they were to fail catastrophically. :-) -- Johnny B Good |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 14:37:19 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
On 22/04/18 14:25, ARW wrote: On 22/04/2018 10:25, Tim Watts wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? Last week they (more than one person) ripped off the toilet light switch (leaving live wires sticking out the wall), dropped the switch into the urinal and then **** on it. But at least the teachers are no longer allowed to apply corporal punishment... With the way schools are having to rely on sponsorship deals to mitigate inadequate state funding, they may be allowed to inflict corporate punishment instead. -- Johnny B Good |
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Johnny B Good wrote:
Steve Walker wrote: Jesus Nut on a Huey I think the etymology in these cases arises out of what you'd scream out loud if they were to fail catastrophically. I though it was based on who you'd be meeting next if it failed? Maybe they should be called St Peter nuts? |
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On 22/04/2018 20:26, Bill Wright wrote:
On 22/04/2018 14:25, ARW wrote: On 22/04/2018 10:25, Tim Watts wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? Last week they (more than one person) ripped off the toilet light switch (leaving live wires sticking out the wall), dropped the switch into the urinal and then **** on it. One school I worked at someone shat in the staffroom kettle. Bill happens regularly at cheaper hotels, so I've heard. |
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On 23/04/2018 13:10, Andrew wrote:
On 22/04/2018 20:26, Bill Wright wrote: On 22/04/2018 14:25, ARW wrote: On 22/04/2018 10:25, Tim Watts wrote: I had an enhanced DBS check done to allow me to work unaccompanied in schools . I still have an escort some of the time - for my safety. Where the feck are you working - Tower Hamlets? Last week they (more than one person) ripped off the toilet light switch (leaving live wires sticking out the wall), dropped the switch into the urinal and then **** on it. One school I worked at someone shat in the staffroom kettle. Bill happens regularly at cheaper hotels, so I've heard. STWNFI often tells the tale of a tradesman being bollocked by his boss for not wearing a hard hat whilst fitting security locks on the school doors. 4 and 5 year old children were swarming all around him at the time! Mike |
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