classic situation I reckon :-

Black mould growth at eaves on upstairs ceilings & mildew on
items in built in wardrobes on gable end.

Old solid walled cottage in a row but on a slope so roofs "step
down" a couple of feet every few houses. This is one of the
houses with the step down so there's an extra couple of feet of
"outside wall" at the top of one gable, which is where the built
in wardrobes are.... possibly built to "hide/deal" with the
condensation & mould issues...

Upstairs rooms have (presumably) had ceilings raised in past as
there's now an 18? sloped section of ceiling at the extremities
down to meet the front & rear walls. Behind this I expect there's
sfa insulation hence the condensation & mould.

Loft is lagged *where it is flat & accessible*. There's even a
warning notice about ceilings being weak, crawl boards to be used
etc.

No roofing felt. Surveyor's report recommends roof needs relaying
but no leaks /issues apart from some vintage sag.

So, how to sort?

Rip out wardrobes, insulate gable wall? What about sloped ceiling
sections?

Burn more gas?

Other?

TIA
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On 24/02/18 13:26, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:53:19 +0000 (GMT+00:00), jim k wrote:

classic situation I reckon :-

Black mould growth at eaves on upstairs ceilings & mildew on
items in built in wardrobes on gable end.

Old solid walled cottage in a row but on a slope so roofs "step
down" a couple of feet every few houses. This is one of the
houses with the step down so there's an extra couple of feet of
"outside wall" at the top of one gable, which is where the built
in wardrobes are.... possibly built to "hide/deal" with the
condensation & mould issues...

Upstairs rooms have (presumably) had ceilings raised in past as
there's now an 18? sloped section of ceiling at the extremities
down to meet the front & rear walls. Behind this I expect there's
sfa insulation hence the condensation & mould.

Loft is lagged *where it is flat & accessible*. There's even a
warning notice about ceilings being weak, crawl boards to be used
etc.

No roofing felt. Surveyor's report recommends roof needs relaying
but no leaks /issues apart from some vintage sag.

So, how to sort?

Rip out wardrobes, insulate gable wall? What about sloped ceiling
sections?

Burn more gas?

Other?

TIA

Dehumidifier? Has the property been empty for any length of time? If
so, might just be damp because of that.

+1

It's noticeable that now we are having very dry weather with low
humidity black mould has all but disappeared. It will, of course, be
back when the humidity increases.

We also have a bungalow with a couple of feet of end wall showing; ours
is above the garage. Although not the only area to suffer from black
mould it was the first one we saw after we moved in. It's definitely
worse in our bedroom (maybe we should stop breathing at night!), but is
also visible in the spare bedroom. As the fitted wardrobes were at that
end and clothes with mould on them are definitely not wanted, we started
by insulating the back of the wardrobes with 1" expanded polystyrene
covered with lengths of clean paper (A2 size). This most certainly
helped but didn't stop the problem. A dehumidifier stopped it almost
completely, but it did take some time, and we repeat it on occasion. We
were both amazed how much water the machine was removing from the room.

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On Saturday, 24 February 2018 12:53:21 UTC, jim wrote:

classic situation I reckon :-

Black mould growth at eaves on upstairs ceilings & mildew on
items in built in wardrobes on gable end.

Old solid walled cottage in a row but on a slope so roofs "step
down" a couple of feet every few houses. This is one of the
houses with the step down so there's an extra couple of feet of
"outside wall" at the top of one gable, which is where the built
in wardrobes are.... possibly built to "hide/deal" with the
condensation & mould issues...

Upstairs rooms have (presumably) had ceilings raised in past as
there's now an 18? sloped section of ceiling at the extremities
down to meet the front & rear walls. Behind this I expect there's
sfa insulation hence the condensation & mould.

Loft is lagged *where it is flat & accessible*. There's even a
warning notice about ceilings being weak, crawl boards to be used
etc.

No roofing felt. Surveyor's report recommends roof needs relaying
but no leaks /issues apart from some vintage sag.

So, how to sort?

Rip out wardrobes, insulate gable wall? What about sloped ceiling
sections?

Burn more gas?

Other?

TIA

1. The first move is to get a dehumidifier with a humidistat in there & clean off all black mould you can.
2. Then look for all the possible leakage areas

Also tell us about the construction of the beast & the exterior finish. Without that info we're not going to get much further.


NT

Its not just cotages. Our 1939 terrace has the sloped and rounded ceiling
problem with some mould too, inside built in wardrobes and outside. In the
end lots of shoving of insulation into places in loft and adding inside
extra insulation while making sure air bricks actually worked, after a lot
of bleach cleaning and removal of an oil heater seems to have stopped it
coming back.
Brian

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classic situation I reckon :-

Black mould growth at eaves on upstairs ceilings & mildew on
items in built in wardrobes on gable end.

Old solid walled cottage in a row but on a slope so roofs "step
down" a couple of feet every few houses. This is one of the
houses with the step down so there's an extra couple of feet of
"outside wall" at the top of one gable, which is where the built
in wardrobes are.... possibly built to "hide/deal" with the
condensation & mould issues...

Upstairs rooms have (presumably) had ceilings raised in past as
there's now an 18? sloped section of ceiling at the extremities
down to meet the front & rear walls. Behind this I expect there's
sfa insulation hence the condensation & mould.

Loft is lagged *where it is flat & accessible*. There's even a
warning notice about ceilings being weak, crawl boards to be used
etc.

No roofing felt. Surveyor's report recommends roof needs relaying
but no leaks /issues apart from some vintage sag.

So, how to sort?

Rip out wardrobes, insulate gable wall? What about sloped ceiling
sections?

Burn more gas?

Other?

TIA
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I would add that any fuel burning heater is as bad if the flues are not very
good. We have all electric in the house now, Trouble is its now too dry and
I get shocks all the time when touching large bits of metal.
Brian

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:53:19 +0000 (GMT+00:00), jim k wrote:

classic situation I reckon :-

Black mould growth at eaves on upstairs ceilings & mildew on
items in built in wardrobes on gable end.

Old solid walled cottage in a row but on a slope so roofs "step
down" a couple of feet every few houses. This is one of the
houses with the step down so there's an extra couple of feet of
"outside wall" at the top of one gable, which is where the built
in wardrobes are.... possibly built to "hide/deal" with the
condensation & mould issues...

Upstairs rooms have (presumably) had ceilings raised in past as
there's now an 18? sloped section of ceiling at the extremities
down to meet the front & rear walls. Behind this I expect there's
sfa insulation hence the condensation & mould.

Loft is lagged *where it is flat & accessible*. There's even a
warning notice about ceilings being weak, crawl boards to be used
etc.

No roofing felt. Surveyor's report recommends roof needs relaying
but no leaks /issues apart from some vintage sag.

So, how to sort?

Rip out wardrobes, insulate gable wall? What about sloped ceiling
sections?

Burn more gas?

Other?

TIA

Dehumidifier? Has the property been empty for any length of time? If
so, might just be damp because of that.

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Chris Hogg Wrote in message:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:53:19 +0000 (GMT+00:00), jim k wrote:

classic situation I reckon :-

Black mould growth at eaves on upstairs ceilings & mildew on
items in built in wardrobes on gable end.

Old solid walled cottage in a row but on a slope so roofs "step
down" a couple of feet every few houses. This is one of the
houses with the step down so there's an extra couple of feet of
"outside wall" at the top of one gable, which is where the built
in wardrobes are.... possibly built to "hide/deal" with the
condensation & mould issues...

Upstairs rooms have (presumably) had ceilings raised in past as
there's now an 18? sloped section of ceiling at the extremities
down to meet the front & rear walls. Behind this I expect there's
sfa insulation hence the condensation & mould.

Loft is lagged *where it is flat & accessible*. There's even a
warning notice about ceilings being weak, crawl boards to be used
etc.

No roofing felt. Surveyor's report recommends roof needs relaying
but no leaks /issues apart from some vintage sag.

So, how to sort?

Rip out wardrobes, insulate gable wall? What about sloped ceiling
sections?

Burn more gas?

Other?

TIA

Dehumidifier? Has the property been empty for any length of time? If
so, might just be damp because of that.


There is a dehumidifier in there but I suspect sporadic use rather
than the regime needed for an older property.

It's been continuously occupied.

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"Brian Gaff" Wrote in message:
I would add that any fuel burning heater is as bad if the flues are not very
good. We have all electric in the house now, Trouble is its now too dry and
I get shocks all the time when touching large bits of metal.
Brian


There's a woodstove & gas ch.
The stove flue is lined I believe, I'm wondering if the chimney
breast is unvented & soggy as it's been drylined. The chimney is
at the damp end of the house....
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drainage, dig a moat around it at least a foot deep
(garden ground level has probably raised over the years due to leaves etc.

Ventilate and dry it out in the summer
Then insulate (with roof ventilation)

My top reference book on this is:
Insulate & Weatherize (Taunton's Build Like a Pro)
its canadian, they know about condensation etc !

George


On Saturday, February 24, 2018 at 12:53:21 PM UTC, jim wrote:
classic situation I reckon :-

Black mould growth at eaves on upstairs ceilings & mildew on
items in built in wardrobes on gable end.

Old solid walled cottage in a row but on a slope so roofs "step
down" a couple of feet every few houses. This is one of the
houses with the step down so there's an extra couple of feet of
"outside wall" at the top of one gable, which is where the built
in wardrobes are.... possibly built to "hide/deal" with the
condensation & mould issues...

Upstairs rooms have (presumably) had ceilings raised in past as
there's now an 18? sloped section of ceiling at the extremities
down to meet the front & rear walls. Behind this I expect there's
sfa insulation hence the condensation & mould.

Loft is lagged *where it is flat & accessible*. There's even a
warning notice about ceilings being weak, crawl boards to be used
etc.

No roofing felt. Surveyor's report recommends roof needs relaying
but no leaks /issues apart from some vintage sag.

So, how to sort?

Rip out wardrobes, insulate gable wall? What about sloped ceiling
sections?

Burn more gas?

Other?

TIA
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On Saturday, 24 February 2018 15:12:00 UTC, NT wrote:
On Saturday, 24 February 2018 12:53:21 UTC, jim wrote:

classic situation I reckon :-

Black mould growth at eaves on upstairs ceilings & mildew on
items in built in wardrobes on gable end.

Old solid walled cottage in a row but on a slope so roofs "step
down" a couple of feet every few houses. This is one of the
houses with the step down so there's an extra couple of feet of
"outside wall" at the top of one gable, which is where the built
in wardrobes are.... possibly built to "hide/deal" with the
condensation & mould issues...

Upstairs rooms have (presumably) had ceilings raised in past as
there's now an 18? sloped section of ceiling at the extremities
down to meet the front & rear walls. Behind this I expect there's
sfa insulation hence the condensation & mould.

Loft is lagged *where it is flat & accessible*. There's even a
warning notice about ceilings being weak, crawl boards to be used
etc.

No roofing felt. Surveyor's report recommends roof needs relaying
but no leaks /issues apart from some vintage sag.

So, how to sort?

Rip out wardrobes, insulate gable wall? What about sloped ceiling
sections?

Burn more gas?

Other?

TIA

1. The first move is to get a dehumidifier with a humidistat in there & clean off all black mould you can.
2. Then look for all the possible leakage areas

Also tell us about the construction of the beast & the exterior finish. Without that info we're not going to get much further.


NT

and the best place to ask on this one is the period property forum


NT

George Miles Wrote in message:
drainage, dig a moat around it at least a foot deep
(garden ground level has probably raised over the years due to leaves etc.

Ventilate and dry it out in the summer
Then insulate (with roof ventilation)

My top reference book on this is:
Insulate & Weatherize (Taunton's Build Like a Pro)
its canadian, they know about condensation etc !

George


On Saturday, February 24, 2018 at 12:53:21 PM UTC, jim wrote:
classic situation I reckon :-

Black mould growth at eaves on upstairs ceilings & mildew on
items in built in wardrobes on gable end.

Old solid walled cottage in a row but on a slope so roofs "step
down" a couple of feet every few houses. This is one of the
houses with the step down so there's an extra couple of feet of
"outside wall" at the top of one gable, which is where the built
in wardrobes are.... possibly built to "hide/deal" with the
condensation & mould issues...

Upstairs rooms have (presumably) had ceilings raised in past as
there's now an 18? sloped section of ceiling at the extremities
down to meet the front & rear walls. Behind this I expect there's
sfa insulation hence the condensation & mould.

Loft is lagged *where it is flat & accessible*. There's even a
warning notice about ceilings being weak, crawl boards to be used
etc.

No roofing felt. Surveyor's report recommends roof needs relaying
but no leaks /issues apart from some vintage sag.

So, how to sort?

Rip out wardrobes, insulate gable wall? What about sloped ceiling
sections?

Burn more gas?

Other?

TIA
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The mould is upstairs...

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On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 20:44:57 +0000 (GMT+00:00)
jim k wrote:


The mould is upstairs...

Some people still believe in "rising damp". :-)