New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

We're wanting to replace our rotting wooden porch/conservatory with
upvc and the plastic roof with glass and have a couple of quotes.

There are two items that the installers are not interested in covering
and I don't mind doing myself if there are some good ideas
forthcoming.

1) The outside corner of the porch is a handy point for a clothes line
hook as the porch fits on an inside corner with a garage to its left
hand side. What are the best ways to attach a line to upvc?

2) The porch is about 3m wide x 1.3m deep. Probably the main reason
that the wooden porch has rotted is that no-one thought to deal with
the water run-off from the roof. It only needs to be diverted to the
left onto the garage roof which in turn is designed for water to run
into its gutters. Neat ideas for this bearing in mind I'm aware that
we're not going to have the same rotting issue with pvc.

|Side of Garage
|A Washing line from A - A
|
|-------------A
| Porch |
|__________ |__________House____________


--
AnthonyL

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

On Thursday, 21 December 2017 09:36:44 UTC, AnthonyL wrote:
We're wanting to replace our rotting wooden porch/conservatory with
upvc and the plastic roof with glass and have a couple of quotes.

There are two items that the installers are not interested in covering
and I don't mind doing myself if there are some good ideas
forthcoming.

1) The outside corner of the porch is a handy point for a clothes line
hook as the porch fits on an inside corner with a garage to its left
hand side. What are the best ways to attach a line to upvc?

2) The porch is about 3m wide x 1.3m deep. Probably the main reason
that the wooden porch has rotted is that no-one thought to deal with
the water run-off from the roof. It only needs to be diverted to the
left onto the garage roof which in turn is designed for water to run
into its gutters. Neat ideas for this bearing in mind I'm aware that
we're not going to have the same rotting issue with pvc.

|Side of Garage
|A Washing line from A - A
|
|-------------A
| Porch |
|__________ |__________House____________

They won't fit your washing line because they know it'll bust a hole in the pvc


NT

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

AnthonyL was thinking very hard :
1) The outside corner of the porch is a handy point for a clothes line
hook as the porch fits on an inside corner with a garage to its left
hand side. What are the best ways to attach a line to upvc?

UPVC is too weak to accept screws supporting any weight. However you
might be able to find a way to bolt right through the structure.

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
AnthonyL was thinking very hard :
1) The outside corner of the porch is a handy point for a clothes line
hook as the porch fits on an inside corner with a garage to its left
hand side. What are the best ways to attach a line to upvc?

UPVC is too weak to accept screws supporting any weight. However you
might be able to find a way to bolt right through the structure.

What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of timber
inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it to size,
though.
Has anyone tried this?

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

Chris Hogg presented the following explanation :
I might be wrong but I thought at least some UPVC structures had metal
cores within the main elements. It might be worth the OP just testing
the particular beam or upright he wants to screw into, using a cable
detector.

Certainly it will, but the depth below the upvc surface might prove to
be an issue for drilling a tapping.

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

On Thursday, 21 December 2017 10:47:04 UTC, charles wrote:
What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of timber
inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it to size,
though.
Has anyone tried this?

I expect someone has at some point, and ended up with a trapezoidal porch.

Do you need a washing line, or could you put a rotary airer in the gap?

Owain

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 03:22:21 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Thursday, 21 December 2017 10:47:04 UTC, charles wrote:
What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of timber
inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it to size,
though.
Has anyone tried this?

I expect someone has at some point, and ended up with a trapezoidal porch.

Do you need a washing line, or could you put a rotary airer in the gap?


Charles isn't the OP, he's jumped in.

A rotary airer is an option but a bit more of a faff in terms of
"putting it away" etc. I'll offer the suggestion to SWIMBO and
apportion blame/credit as appropriate depending on the reaction.

--
AnthonyL

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

In article ,
charles writes:
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
AnthonyL was thinking very hard :
1) The outside corner of the porch is a handy point for a clothes line
hook as the porch fits on an inside corner with a garage to its left
hand side. What are the best ways to attach a line to upvc?

UPVC is too weak to accept screws supporting any weight. However you
might be able to find a way to bolt right through the structure.

What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of timber
inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it to size,
though.
Has anyone tried this?

It would go rotten.
Things like uPVC porches and bay windows normally have square section
corners which are lined with square section aluminium or steel to
provide strength for supporting the roof. A suitable pilot hole
followed by a self-tapping screw (corrosion resistant) would
probably work.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

On 21/12/2017 09:36, AnthonyL wrote:
We're wanting to replace our rotting wooden porch/conservatory with
upvc and the plastic roof with glass and have a couple of quotes.

There are two items that the installers are not interested in covering
and I don't mind doing myself if there are some good ideas
forthcoming.

1) The outside corner of the porch is a handy point for a clothes line
hook as the porch fits on an inside corner with a garage to its left
hand side. What are the best ways to attach a line to upvc?

2) The porch is about 3m wide x 1.3m deep. Probably the main reason
that the wooden porch has rotted is that no-one thought to deal with
the water run-off from the roof. It only needs to be diverted to the
left onto the garage roof which in turn is designed for water to run
into its gutters. Neat ideas for this bearing in mind I'm aware that
we're not going to have the same rotting issue with pvc.

|Side of Garage
|A Washing line from A - A
|
|-------------A
| Porch |
|__________ |__________House____________



Not a good idea.
The weight on the line creates a far bigger tension than the actual
weight and will probably damage the PVC.

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Chris Hogg presented the following explanation :
I might be wrong but I thought at least some UPVC structures had metal
cores within the main elements. It might be worth the OP just testing
the particular beam or upright he wants to screw into, using a cable
detector.

Certainly it will, but the depth below the upvc surface might prove to
be an issue for drilling a tapping.

You also need to be careful not to distort the frame. A prime reason for
doors and windows not closing properly. There can be quite a high load on
a washing line.

--
*Reality? Is that where the pizza delivery guy comes from?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
charles writes:
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
AnthonyL was thinking very hard :
1) The outside corner of the porch is a handy point for a clothes
line hook as the porch fits on an inside corner with a garage to its
left hand side. What are the best ways to attach a line to upvc?

UPVC is too weak to accept screws supporting any weight. However you
might be able to find a way to bolt right through the structure.

What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of
timber inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it to
size, though. Has anyone tried this?

It would go rotten.

why would it rot any quicker than the bare wooden post I'd be replacing.
That's gone because it's been hit (and broken) by a backing delivery van.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:12:41 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:25:33 GMT, lid (AnthonyL)
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 03:22:21 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Thursday, 21 December 2017 10:47:04 UTC, charles wrote:
What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of timber
inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it to size,
though.
Has anyone tried this?

I expect someone has at some point, and ended up with a trapezoidal porch.

Do you need a washing line, or could you put a rotary airer in the gap?


Charles isn't the OP, he's jumped in.

A rotary airer is an option but a bit more of a faff in terms of
"putting it away" etc. I'll offer the suggestion to SWIMBO and
apportion blame/credit as appropriate depending on the reaction.

You can get covers http://amzn.to/2Dn3RjL Saves the faff putting it
away...


Then we're left with a pole sticking up in a nice open area. SWMBO
says no.


--
AnthonyL

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:36:40 GMT, lid (AnthonyL)
wrote:

We're wanting to replace our rotting wooden porch/conservatory with
upvc and the plastic roof with glass and have a couple of quotes.

There are two items that the installers are not interested in covering
and I don't mind doing myself if there are some good ideas
forthcoming.


2) The porch is about 3m wide x 1.3m deep. Probably the main reason
that the wooden porch has rotted is that no-one thought to deal with
the water run-off from the roof. It only needs to be diverted to the
left onto the garage roof which in turn is designed for water to run
into its gutters. Neat ideas for this bearing in mind I'm aware that
we're not going to have the same rotting issue with pvc.

|Side of Garage
|A Washing line from A - A
|
|-------------A
| Porch |
|__________ |__________House____________



Lots of responses on Item 1 and nothing on the water run-off - surely
someone's got a brainwave.

--
AnthonyL

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

In article ,
charles writes:
In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
charles writes:
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
AnthonyL was thinking very hard :
1) The outside corner of the porch is a handy point for a clothes
line hook as the porch fits on an inside corner with a garage to its
left hand side. What are the best ways to attach a line to upvc?

UPVC is too weak to accept screws supporting any weight. However you
might be able to find a way to bolt right through the structure.

What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of
timber inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it to
size, though. Has anyone tried this?

It would go rotten.

why would it rot any quicker than the bare wooden post I'd be replacing.
That's gone because it's been hit (and broken) by a backing delivery van.

Inside a plastic section, it will soak up condensation, with no
opportuinity to dry out.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

AnthonyL wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:36:40 GMT, lid (AnthonyL)
wrote:

We're wanting to replace our rotting wooden porch/conservatory with
upvc and the plastic roof with glass and have a couple of quotes.

There are two items that the installers are not interested in covering
and I don't mind doing myself if there are some good ideas
forthcoming.


2) The porch is about 3m wide x 1.3m deep. Probably the main reason
that the wooden porch has rotted is that no-one thought to deal with
the water run-off from the roof. It only needs to be diverted to the
left onto the garage roof which in turn is designed for water to run
into its gutters. Neat ideas for this bearing in mind I'm aware that
we're not going to have the same rotting issue with pvc.

|Side of Garage
|A Washing line from A - A
|
|-------------A
| Porch |
|__________ |__________House____________



Lots of responses on Item 1 and nothing on the water run-off - surely
someone's got a brainwave.

Judging by what our reasonably reputable roofers did (with slate roof)
just run a short downpipe from the end of the conservatory gutter as a
spout either into the garage gutter or to intersect the garage roof at
less than 90 degrees a couple of feet above the gutter. It may require
a 135deg bend to do this.


--

Roger Hayter

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

"AnthonyL" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:12:41 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:25:33 GMT, lid (AnthonyL)
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 03:22:21 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Thursday, 21 December 2017 10:47:04 UTC, charles wrote:
What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of
timber
inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it to size,
though.
Has anyone tried this?

I expect someone has at some point, and ended up with a trapezoidal
porch.

Do you need a washing line, or could you put a rotary airer in the gap?


Charles isn't the OP, he's jumped in.

A rotary airer is an option but a bit more of a faff in terms of
"putting it away" etc. I'll offer the suggestion to SWIMBO and
apportion blame/credit as appropriate depending on the reaction.

You can get covers http://amzn.to/2Dn3RjL Saves the faff putting it
away...


Then we're left with a pole sticking up in a nice open area. SWMBO
says no.

Trade her in on a more sensible SWMBO.

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 05:02:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"AnthonyL" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:12:41 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:25:33 GMT, lid (AnthonyL)
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 03:22:21 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Thursday, 21 December 2017 10:47:04 UTC, charles wrote:
What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of
timber
inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it to size,
though.
Has anyone tried this?

I expect someone has at some point, and ended up with a trapezoidal
porch.

Do you need a washing line, or could you put a rotary airer in the gap?


Charles isn't the OP, he's jumped in.

A rotary airer is an option but a bit more of a faff in terms of
"putting it away" etc. I'll offer the suggestion to SWIMBO and
apportion blame/credit as appropriate depending on the reaction.

You can get covers http://amzn.to/2Dn3RjL Saves the faff putting it
away...


Then we're left with a pole sticking up in a nice open area. SWMBO
says no.

Trade her in on a more sensible SWMBO.


Don't you think I've tried? Perhaps I keep looking at the wrong
attributes.


--
AnthonyL

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 16:29:08 +0000, (Roger Hayter)
wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:36:40 GMT, lid (AnthonyL)
wrote:

We're wanting to replace our rotting wooden porch/conservatory with
upvc and the plastic roof with glass and have a couple of quotes.

There are two items that the installers are not interested in covering
and I don't mind doing myself if there are some good ideas
forthcoming.


2) The porch is about 3m wide x 1.3m deep. Probably the main reason
that the wooden porch has rotted is that no-one thought to deal with
the water run-off from the roof. It only needs to be diverted to the
left onto the garage roof which in turn is designed for water to run
into its gutters. Neat ideas for this bearing in mind I'm aware that
we're not going to have the same rotting issue with pvc.

|Side of Garage
|A Washing line from A - A
|
|-------------A
| Porch |
|__________ |__________House____________



Lots of responses on Item 1 and nothing on the water run-off - surely
someone's got a brainwave.

Judging by what our reasonably reputable roofers did (with slate roof)
just run a short downpipe from the end of the conservatory gutter as a
spout either into the garage gutter or to intersect the garage roof at
less than 90 degrees a couple of feet above the gutter. It may require
a 135deg bend to do this.


It's not the downpipe that is my concern as the porch roof is higher
than the garage roof - I just want an unobtrusive way of getting from
the nice glass roof to the top of the the adjacent garage roof and all
guttering seems to be an overkill size of 3".

--
AnthonyL

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

AnthonyL wrote:

On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 16:29:08 +0000, (Roger Hayter)
wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:36:40 GMT, lid (AnthonyL)
wrote:

We're wanting to replace our rotting wooden porch/conservatory with
upvc and the plastic roof with glass and have a couple of quotes.

There are two items that the installers are not interested in covering
and I don't mind doing myself if there are some good ideas
forthcoming.


2) The porch is about 3m wide x 1.3m deep. Probably the main reason
that the wooden porch has rotted is that no-one thought to deal with
the water run-off from the roof. It only needs to be diverted to the
left onto the garage roof which in turn is designed for water to run
into its gutters. Neat ideas for this bearing in mind I'm aware that
we're not going to have the same rotting issue with pvc.

|Side of Garage
|A Washing line from A - A
|
|-------------A
| Porch |
|__________ |__________House____________



Lots of responses on Item 1 and nothing on the water run-off - surely
someone's got a brainwave.

Judging by what our reasonably reputable roofers did (with slate roof)
just run a short downpipe from the end of the conservatory gutter as a
spout either into the garage gutter or to intersect the garage roof at
less than 90 degrees a couple of feet above the gutter. It may require
a 135deg bend to do this.


It's not the downpipe that is my concern as the porch roof is higher
than the garage roof - I just want an unobtrusive way of getting from
the nice glass roof to the top of the the adjacent garage roof and all
guttering seems to be an overkill size of 3".

Smaller guttering for sheds (?2") and rectangular or trapezoidal white
guttering for conservatories is freely available. From a builders'
merchant for instance, or on Ebay.

--

Roger Hayter

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

"AnthonyL" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 05:02:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"AnthonyL" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:12:41 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:25:33 GMT, lid (AnthonyL)
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 03:22:21 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Thursday, 21 December 2017 10:47:04 UTC, charles wrote:
What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of
timber
inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it to
size,
though.
Has anyone tried this?

I expect someone has at some point, and ended up with a trapezoidal
porch.

Do you need a washing line, or could you put a rotary airer in the
gap?


Charles isn't the OP, he's jumped in.

A rotary airer is an option but a bit more of a faff in terms of
"putting it away" etc. I'll offer the suggestion to SWIMBO and
apportion blame/credit as appropriate depending on the reaction.

You can get covers http://amzn.to/2Dn3RjL Saves the faff putting it
away...


Then we're left with a pole sticking up in a nice open area. SWMBO
says no.

Trade her in on a more sensible SWMBO.


Don't you think I've tried? Perhaps I keep looking at the wrong
attributes.

Yep, you must have done.

Same with dogs, most are so stupid they go by appearance, not
the mentality. It’s the mentality you live with all the time.

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:43:36 +0000 (GMT)
charles wrote:

What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of
timber inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it
to size, though.
Has anyone tried this?

You'd have to weld the ends shut, and seal any fixing holes. Anyway
what's the point? Just use pressure treated timber, or galvanised steel
if it really needs some strength.

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

In message , AnthonyL
writes
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 16:29:08 +0000, (Roger Hayter)
wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:36:40 GMT, lid (AnthonyL)
wrote:

We're wanting to replace our rotting wooden porch/conservatory with
upvc and the plastic roof with glass and have a couple of quotes.

There are two items that the installers are not interested in covering
and I don't mind doing myself if there are some good ideas
forthcoming.


2) The porch is about 3m wide x 1.3m deep. Probably the main reason
that the wooden porch has rotted is that no-one thought to deal with
the water run-off from the roof. It only needs to be diverted to the
left onto the garage roof which in turn is designed for water to run
into its gutters. Neat ideas for this bearing in mind I'm aware that
we're not going to have the same rotting issue with pvc.

|Side of Garage
|A Washing line from A - A
|
|-------------A
| Porch |
|__________ |__________House____________



Lots of responses on Item 1 and nothing on the water run-off - surely
someone's got a brainwave.

Judging by what our reasonably reputable roofers did (with slate roof)
just run a short downpipe from the end of the conservatory gutter as a
spout either into the garage gutter or to intersect the garage roof at
less than 90 degrees a couple of feet above the gutter. It may require
a 135deg bend to do this.


It's not the downpipe that is my concern as the porch roof is higher
than the garage roof - I just want an unobtrusive way of getting from
the nice glass roof to the top of the the adjacent garage roof and all
guttering seems to be an overkill size of 3".

Try green house suppliers. Extruded Aluminium in 3m+ lengths.


--
Tim Lamb

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

In article 20171223155547.0b8858ff@Mars,
Rob Morley wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:43:36 +0000 (GMT)
charles wrote:

What I was planning for a "strong" fence post was to fit a lenght of
timber inside the square UPVC section. I'd probably have to plane it
to size, though.
Has anyone tried this?

You'd have to weld the ends shut, and seal any fixing holes. Anyway
what's the point? Just use pressure treated timber, or galvanised steel
if it really needs some strength.

The point?

Our present small fence (to stop people driving into the ditch in front of
the property) is made with pressure treated uprights. Unfortunately, they
are not always visible (under trees) to delivery drivers, who have managed
to hit them, or at least the horizontal timbers they support. This has
ressulted in the main uprights breaking - they neeed to be replaced. I
wanted to make the uprights a bit more visible - I can't really paint
pressure teated timber.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:09:45 GMT
Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Chris Hogg presented the following explanation :
I might be wrong but I thought at least some UPVC structures had
metal cores within the main elements. It might be worth the OP just
testing the particular beam or upright he wants to screw into,
using a cable detector.

Certainly it will, but the depth below the upvc surface might prove
to be an issue for drilling a tapping.

It's likely to be too thin to take a fixing, considering the stress
that a washing line or similar structure can impose. I suppose a
butterfly-type fixing might be OK, but still likely to distort the
steel section

New upvc porch - fittings and ideas
 

On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:37:24 +0000 (GMT)
charles wrote:

Our present small fence (to stop people driving into the ditch in
front of the property) is made with pressure treated uprights.
Unfortunately, they are not always visible (under trees) to delivery
drivers, who have managed to hit them, or at least the horizontal
timbers they support. This has ressulted in the main uprights
breaking - they neeed to be replaced. I wanted to make the uprights a
bit more visible - I can't really paint pressure teated timber.

You might do better just to attach some conspicuity aid such as the
standard yellow and black reflective film on an aluminium base, with
which the drivers will be well acquainted.
Or as I already wrote - galvanised steel box section. :-)