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ha ha glad I never bought a diesel car....

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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
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ha ha glad I never bought a diesel car....

Glad we've already got diesel cars, one of which will last a good long time
(it's 15 reg) and the other should last a while yet (it's 08 reg) before
needing to be replaced, and I may replace the 08 car with electric since it
is used for short journeys which are within the current pitifully small
range of electrics.

I bought diesel because it's cheaper to run (the improved mpg outweighs the
slightly higher cost per litre of fuel) and because I prefer driving a
diesel.

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On 22/11/2017 19:21, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:39:18 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
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ha ha glad I never bought a diesel car....

Glad we've already got diesel cars, one of which will last a good long time
(it's 15 reg) and the other should last a while yet (it's 08 reg) before
needing to be replaced, and I may replace the 08 car with electric since it
is used for short journeys which are within the current pitifully small
range of electrics.

I bought diesel because it's cheaper to run (the improved mpg outweighs the
slightly higher cost per litre of fuel) and because I prefer driving a
diesel.

Much the same here. We have a small diesel, 1.4l, now thirteen years
old (Dec 05 reg), so no filters or fancy electronics controlling the
exhaust. Still going well (just passed it's MOT with nothing requiring
attention). I see no need to replace it yet, and when we do, it'll
probably be a small electric as we only do short journeys. By then,
the battery development should have improved a bit and I quite fancy
the technology; nothing to do with global warming or reducing CO2.

My 06 Focus developed too many expensive problems last year and it was
time to change it. I went for a petrol this time, not because I expect
significantly higher duty on diesel, increased car tax or the like, but
because I can see court decisions about pollution making many cities
slap huge, per day charges on older diesels as London has already.

SteveW

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On 22/11/17 23:22, Steve Walker wrote:
I can see court decisions about pollution making many cities slap huge,
per day charges on older diesels as London has already.

The aim is to make it impractical to own private cars in London, so
when they pull the plug, no one can get out and everyone dies.


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Much the same here. We have a small diesel, 1.4l, now thirteen years
old (Dec 05 reg), so no filters or fancy electronics controlling the
exhaust. Still going well (just passed it's MOT with nothing requiring
attention). I see no need to replace it yet, and when we do, it'll
probably be a small electric as we only do short journeys. By then,
the battery development should have improved a bit and I quite fancy
the technology; nothing to do with global warming or reducing CO2.

You've been very lucky - although I thought particulate
filters had been fitted for few years before that.

When I retired in 2007 and was looking for a car to replace
my company car, I was interested in a diesel Focus Estate
because I'd really liked the Focus that I'd had at work up
to a couple of years earlier. (My last company car was a
Vectra Estate which although the extra room was better for
my work, I didn't get to like it even after 18 months or so
- I was never quite certain where all four corners where,
much like a LHD hire car on the Continent!)

However, I had a lucky escape. I saw a report somewhere -
might even have been here - from someone who did a lot of
short trips which had destroyed the filter because the
exhaust frequently never gets hot enough for long enough to
ensure that all the water vapour is exhausted. Otherwise any
vapour remaining condenses back to water at the end of the
run which destroys the filter - and replacements are not
cheap!)

I went instead for a petrol Focus which I kept for five
years with no problems.

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who
had fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the
mistake.

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On 23/11/2017 17:41, Terry Casey wrote:

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who
had fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the
mistake.


Don't these people read the manual so they know what the warning you get
about the filter means?
You just need a quick run at about 50 when the *warning light* comes on.

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On 23/11/2017 19:24, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 17:41, Terry Casey wrote:

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who
had fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the
mistake.

Don't these people read the manual so they know what the warning you get
about the filter means?
You just need a quick run at about 50 when the *warning light* comes on.

I wouldn't want to have a burn-up just to please the car's poor design.
Lots of cars are only used for short distances.

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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 17:41:25 -0000, Terry Casey
wrote:

I saw a report somewhere -
might even have been here - from someone who did a lot of
short trips which had destroyed the filter because the
exhaust frequently never gets hot enough for long enough to
ensure that all the water vapour is exhausted. Otherwise any
vapour remaining condenses back to water at the end of the
run which destroys the filter - and replacements are not
cheap!)

I went instead for a petrol Focus which I kept for five
years with no problems.

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who
had fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the
mistake.

Hmm... I've not heard filters being destroyed for that reason. I
always understood that on short journeys the filter never got hot
enough to burn off the carbon it collected, so eventually became
choked. The actual filter medium is ceramic, so I wouldn't expect it
to be affected by moisture. Perhaps other components in there don't
like being wet. OTOH the early filters were based on the ceramic
cordierite, while I believe that some these days are made of silicon
carbide, which may behave differently.

Yes I had heard that the main problem with short runs is the build-up of
soot (carbon) which never gets burned off. When I first got a DPF error
warning on my car, the garage advised me to do a long motorway run or else a
shorter journey in third gear (to keep the engine revs high and to heat up
the DPF more quickly) to see if that burned off the soot. Sadly it didn't,
hence the £1000 bill for new DPF and cat, though I consoled myself that this
was after some 150,000 miles so DPF and cat had had a good life.

Although I did quite a few short runs, I also used the car at weekends for
long (50-100 mile) journeys on country lanes at 40-60, so the DPF would have
been warmed up on those journeys. In between it got a bit of a blast if I
happened to go on the dual carriageway near me: it certainly didn't spend
its time pootling at 30 or doing stop-start in traffic.

My car also has a "plastic pouch" filled with a "liquid for cleaning the
exhaust" (as explained to me by the garage) - probably similar to AdBlue as
used in buses and coaches. About a year before the DPF error, this pouch
split, spilling its contents, which caused the car to enter limp-home mode.
Sod's Law was in operation that day because it was as I was accelerating
hard to pull out of a junction with poor visibility: to find the car lose
most of its power when an HGV is bearing down on you is not an experience I
want to repeat :-(

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"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 23/11/2017 17:41, Terry Casey wrote:

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who
had fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the
mistake.


Don't these people read the manual so they know what the warning you get
about the filter means?
You just need a quick run at about 50 when the *warning light* comes on.

Didn't work for me: it was the first thing I tried when the light came on.
The verdict of the garage was (I'm paraphrasing!) "if that doesn't turn the
light off, the DPF is buggered".

However 150,000 miles on a DPF isn't *too* bad. At least I haven't had to
shell out for other expensive things like new clutch and new "fan belt"
(times 2 *) on this car, unlike the previous one. I've never had a car
before that is still on its original clutch after 170,000 miles, so Peugeot
are doing something right :-)


(*) On my last car, the fan belt failed just as I was about to come off a
motorway, so I was able to limp to a petrol station to wait for the RAC man,
tugging the steering wheel to compensate for lack of power steering. My
local garage replaced that belt (at a hefty cost) and a few thousand miles
later that belt failed. This time I took the car to a main dealer and they
found that one of the pulleys had a warped flange which could well have
caused the first failure and almost certainly caused the second. But my
local garage wouldn't pay up for failing to detect the *reason* for the
first belt's failure and the fact that it would cause the second belt to
fail, so I stopped using that garage or recommending them to people.
*******s!

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On 23/11/2017 19:40, Max Demian wrote:
On 23/11/2017 19:24, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 17:41, Terry Casey wrote:

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who
had fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the
mistake.

Don't these people read the manual so they know what the warning you
get about the filter means?
You just need a quick run at about 50 when the *warning light* comes on.

I wouldn't want to have a burn-up just to please the car's poor design.
Lots of cars are only used for short distances.


So don't buy a diesel if you can't follow the instructions.

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"dennis@home" writes
On 23/11/2017 17:41, Terry Casey wrote:

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who
had fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the
mistake.


Don't these people read the manual so they know what the warning you
get about the filter means?
You just need a quick run at about 50 when the *warning light* comes on.

Huh! I've yet to find one on our 1600cc Fiesta.

The only indication something is going on is a marked drop off in
acceleration. This usually happens to me as I get the motorway driving.
No dashboard indication of any sort.

The engine stays in this mode until the ignition is cycled. Can be done
on the move:-)

--
Tim Lamb

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On 23/11/2017 21:02, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 19:40, Max Demian wrote:
On 23/11/2017 19:24, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 17:41, Terry Casey wrote:

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who
had fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the
mistake.

Don't these people read the manual so they know what the warning you
get about the filter means?
You just need a quick run at about 50 when the *warning light* comes on.

I wouldn't want to have a burn-up just to please the car's poor
design. Lots of cars are only used for short distances.

So don't buy a diesel if you can't follow the instructions.

I could but I don't see why I should to cope with this retrograde step.
They'll be bringing back crash gearboxes next.

--
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"Max Demian" wrote in message
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On 23/11/2017 21:02, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 19:40, Max Demian wrote:
On 23/11/2017 19:24, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 17:41, Terry Casey wrote:

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who
had fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the
mistake.

Don't these people read the manual so they know what the warning you
get about the filter means?
You just need a quick run at about 50 when the *warning light* comes
on.

I wouldn't want to have a burn-up just to please the car's poor design.
Lots of cars are only used for short distances.

So don't buy a diesel if you can't follow the instructions.

I could but I don't see why I should to cope with this retrograde step.
They'll be bringing back crash gearboxes next.

naw... just no syncro on first .....

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On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:42:22 +0000, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Max Demian" wrote in message
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On 23/11/2017 21:02, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 19:40, Max Demian wrote:
On 23/11/2017 19:24, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 17:41, Terry Casey wrote:

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who had
fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the mistake.

Don't these people read the manual so they know what the warning you
get about the filter means?
You just need a quick run at about 50 when the *warning light* comes
on.

I wouldn't want to have a burn-up just to please the car's poor
design.
Lots of cars are only used for short distances.

So don't buy a diesel if you can't follow the instructions.

I could but I don't see why I should to cope with this retrograde step.
They'll be bringing back crash gearboxes next.

naw... just no syncro on first .....

Luxury. My second car no no synchro on first or second. By design.



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"Bob Eager" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:42:22 +0000, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Max Demian" wrote in message
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On 23/11/2017 21:02, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 19:40, Max Demian wrote:
On 23/11/2017 19:24, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 17:41, Terry Casey wrote:

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who had
fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the mistake.

Don't these people read the manual so they know what the warning you
get about the filter means?
You just need a quick run at about 50 when the *warning light* comes
on.

I wouldn't want to have a burn-up just to please the car's poor
design.
Lots of cars are only used for short distances.

So don't buy a diesel if you can't follow the instructions.

I could but I don't see why I should to cope with this retrograde step.
They'll be bringing back crash gearboxes next.

naw... just no syncro on first .....

Luxury. My second car no no synchro on first or second. By design.


It was....a '63 mini 850 ..........magic want gear stick ......push button
starter......slide windows........ .......with all the fantastic features of
the modern car I wish I had my old mini back .......

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On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:37:24 +0000, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:42:22 +0000, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Max Demian" wrote in message
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On 23/11/2017 21:02, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 19:40, Max Demian wrote:
On 23/11/2017 19:24, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/11/2017 17:41, Terry Casey wrote:

A few months later I was talking to another retired man who had
fallen into the diesel trap and paying heavily for the mistake.

Don't these people read the manual so they know what the warning
you get about the filter means?
You just need a quick run at about 50 when the *warning light*
comes on.

I wouldn't want to have a burn-up just to please the car's poor
design.
Lots of cars are only used for short distances.

So don't buy a diesel if you can't follow the instructions.

I could but I don't see why I should to cope with this retrograde
step.
They'll be bringing back crash gearboxes next.

naw... just no syncro on first .....

Luxury. My second car no no synchro on first or second. By design.


It was....a '63 mini 850 ..........magic want gear stick ......push
button starter......slide windows........ .......with all the fantastic
features of the modern car I wish I had my old mini back .......

In my case it was a 1952 Series I SWB Land Rover.



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