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On 22/11/2017 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , tim... snip Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would be a good start. and very probably, now illegal AFAIK there's no legal limit to the deposit a landlord can require. It's more a matter of how much potential tenants are willing to pay. And of proving who did what, when. There should have been a *sinking* fund set up to cater for long term expenses. Often found in flats. Commonhold? Indeed. But I wonder how many of the 40 households would have screamed and screamed if asked to pay more for something that might never happen in their time in the houses. Saving for a rainy day is not exactly a British habit these days. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:19:32 +0000, Nightjar
wrote: On the odd occasion when I have had dealings with the Environment Agency, their inspectors have been fairly flexible about solutions, provided that the solution suggested achieves the final result they want. Well, that's some good news at least. Thanks. Actually, I thought of something associated with the problem: Just suppose the sewage unit fails completely, are there *temporary* portable units available? When my heating oil tank failed in 2015 my heating engineer pumped the 1000 litres into an IBC temporarily until the new bunded tank was installed. MM |
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On 21 Nov 2017 17:43:56 GMT, Huge wrote:
On 2017-11-21, MM wrote: On 21 Nov 2017 16:29:06 GMT, Huge wrote: Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would be a good start. Not nearly enough. Get an adult to explain to you what "a good start" means, would you? We've had all these warm words before. For too many years residents have moaned about the increase in the annual service charge, which has only gone up by 10% in ten years. We should have been paying much more. The new chairman calculated that if every resident had paid just £13.91 a month since the inception of the estate, the sinking fund would now contain the £100,000 needed to replace the PSTP. The "good start" was always just pie-in-the-sky. MM |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:07:48 +0000, Tim Lamb
wrote: In message , tim... writes "Huge" wrote in message ... On 2017-11-21, tim... wrote: "Huge" wrote in message ... On 2017-11-21, alan_m wrote: On 20/11/2017 08:27, Brian Gaff wrote: Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually thought about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line. A reed bed system is not exactly more modern just an adopted trendy green system which is probably OK for a dwelling where in the old days the majority of waste 'water' was as a result of the owner carrying water into the house in a bucket from a well or nearby stream. Add an ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works. Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system. try telling that to a succession of "tenants" Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would be a good start. and very probably, now illegal There should have been a *sinking* fund set up to cater for long term expenses. Often found in flats. Commonhold? Yep, unfortunately, the sinking fund constantly got raided to pay for new pumps and suchlike. MM |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:02:27 +0000, Robin wrote:
On 22/11/2017 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , tim... snip Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would be a good start. and very probably, now illegal AFAIK there's no legal limit to the deposit a landlord can require. It's more a matter of how much potential tenants are willing to pay. And of proving who did what, when. This is not a landlord/tenant issue. All owners have to cough up an equal share of the total service charge. True, a few residents are private landlords, but that does not excuse them from paying their proportion. If they wish to come to a separate arrangement with their tenant, that's between them and the tenant. There should have been a *sinking* fund set up to cater for long term expenses. Often found in flats. Commonhold? Indeed. But I wonder how many of the 40 households would have screamed and screamed if asked to pay more for something that might never happen in their time in the houses. Saving for a rainy day is not exactly a British habit these days. Exactly IN SPADES! Some residents were/are always screaming. In the early days when I attended the annual meeting, verbal abuse was not uncommon. Even now there is allegedly one owner who rents out his/her property to a tenant and flatly refuses to pay the service charge and will shortly face legal capping of his sewer. And they're really going to be screaming now, those that do, once they find out that the service charge for 2018 will be approx 37% higher than 2017. And that DOESN'T include the max £2,500 one-off charge for every householder for the new PSTP. My thoughts on this a Well, good luck with that! Meanwhile, I've found the price of a new Elsan portable toilet: £70 - £80 from most camping suppliers. In a former property in Bucks, with only one toilet, I had to replace the cracked earthenware sewer pipe and was without a loo for four days. So I just popped down to Tesco when the urge struck. Every Little Helps! MM |
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On 22-Nov-17 10:07 AM, MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:19:32 +0000, Nightjar wrote: On the odd occasion when I have had dealings with the Environment Agency, their inspectors have been fairly flexible about solutions, provided that the solution suggested achieves the final result they want. Well, that's some good news at least. Thanks. Actually, I thought of something associated with the problem: Just suppose the sewage unit fails completely, are there *temporary* portable units available? When my heating oil tank failed in 2015 my heating engineer pumped the 1000 litres into an IBC temporarily until the new bunded tank was installed. These people offer sewage and waste water treatment hi https://www.wplinternational.com/hire/ I expect there will be others. Alternatively, you could hire Portaloos or temporary wash / shower blocks (also made by Portaloo). -- -- Colin Bignell |
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"Tim Lamb" wrote in message ... In message , tim... writes "Huge" wrote in message ... On 2017-11-21, tim... wrote: "Huge" wrote in message ... On 2017-11-21, alan_m wrote: On 20/11/2017 08:27, Brian Gaff wrote: Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually thought about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line. A reed bed system is not exactly more modern just an adopted trendy green system which is probably OK for a dwelling where in the old days the majority of waste 'water' was as a result of the owner carrying water into the house in a bucket from a well or nearby stream. Add an ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works. Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system. try telling that to a succession of "tenants" Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would be a good start. and very probably, now illegal There should have been a *sinking* fund set up to cater for long term expenses. Often found in flats. Commonhold? that's a charge made to long leaseholders for clarity I was referring to a succession of short leaseholders tim |
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"Robin" wrote in message ... On 22/11/2017 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , tim... snip Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would be a good start. and very probably, now illegal AFAIK there's no legal limit to the deposit a landlord can require. not yet no but there will be soon tim |
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On 22/11/2017 17:04, tim... wrote:
"Robin" wrote in message ... On 22/11/2017 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , tim... snip Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would be a good start. and very probably, now illegal AFAIK there's no legal limit to the deposit a landlord can require. not yet no but there will be soon tim My son owns one of eight cottages all served by a central private sewage plant. They each pay into a communal sewage fund to cover maintenance. He was lucky the old septic tank system was replaced with a modern treatment plant just before he bought his cottage. Mike |
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On 22/11/17 10:02, Robin wrote:
On 22/11/2017 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote: There should have been a *sinking* fund set up to cater for long term expenses. Often found in flats. Commonhold? Indeed.Â* But I wonder how many of the 40 households would have screamed and screamed if asked to pay more for something that might never happen in their time in the houses.Â* Saving for a rainy day is not exactly a British habit these days. For thirty years a managed a flat management company. People a very happy to let someone else do the work, they even say thank you occasionally, but that does not deter them from dragging their feet whjen service charges are due, of asking if 'the management company' will pay for repairs that are clearly their own responsibility, of being unwilling to pay anything more than the minimum to cover immediate expenditure€¦ And when you sell up and a managing agent is appointed because no one else wants to take it on they get very upset when charges double. -- djc (–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿) No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree. |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:51:20 +0000, Nightjar
wrote: On 22-Nov-17 10:07 AM, MM wrote: On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:19:32 +0000, Nightjar wrote: On the odd occasion when I have had dealings with the Environment Agency, their inspectors have been fairly flexible about solutions, provided that the solution suggested achieves the final result they want. Well, that's some good news at least. Thanks. Actually, I thought of something associated with the problem: Just suppose the sewage unit fails completely, are there *temporary* portable units available? When my heating oil tank failed in 2015 my heating engineer pumped the 1000 litres into an IBC temporarily until the new bunded tank was installed. These people offer sewage and waste water treatment hi https://www.wplinternational.com/hire/ I expect there will be others. Alternatively, you could hire Portaloos or temporary wash / shower blocks (also made by Portaloo). You mean, like at a field event? Yeah, that might really concentrate the minds of the late payers! Nothing like a row of Portaloos to bring the price of property down! The pic will probably be in all the local papers! MM |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:11:32 +0000, Muddymike
wrote: On 22/11/2017 17:04, tim... wrote: "Robin" wrote in message ... On 22/11/2017 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , tim... snip Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would be a good start. and very probably, now illegal AFAIK there's no legal limit to the deposit a landlord can require. not yet no but there will be soon tim My son owns one of eight cottages all served by a central private sewage plant. They each pay into a communal sewage fund to cover maintenance. He was lucky the old septic tank system was replaced with a modern treatment plant just before he bought his cottage. Mike Just make sure that he's aware of potential late/non-payers and that certain residents will insist on chucking any old thing down the toilet. MM |
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