I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in her unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence, she thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one then?

On 20/07/2017 00:29, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it.

Many thanks, sounds a good cause. It's got my vote.

James Wilkinson Sword wrote

I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to
install a lockable fence around their garden pond incase
their child (or someone else's) falls into it. The reason?
Her own 2 year old fell in her unfenced pond and drowned.
So because she didn't have a fence, she thinks everyone
else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one then?

Too stupid to realise the risk presumably.

And it wouldn't stop the worst of them anyway.

We got the breath taking videos of what one of our monkeys,
wearing just a nappy, could do with our 6' high compulsory
pool fences. Over the ****ing thing in a flash with his dad
videoing it for the country to cringe at.

Yes there does seem to be a fault in her logic there.So suggestions fro
inventive devices to stop children drowning in ponds that does not look like
a fence which takes away from the aesthetic appeal.

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops them
going in.


Or maybe some kind of device that all children wear that has every pond in
the area on it coded into a gps chip?
grin.
OK I know its very sad, and one can understand the lady, but really its up
to parents to be aware of what their children are doing.
Brian

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"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence, she thinks
everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one then?

On 20/07/17 02:02, Fredxxx wrote:
On 20/07/2017 00:29, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it.

Many thanks, sounds a good cause. It's got my vote.
Co9mplte;ly ****inmgh clueless.

My old house is 300 yards away from any other house, and has no childern
wandering in it.

WTF should I have to install a fence

Tyopical 'it works for me so I will force it on every one else'
Lefty/Remoaner attitide.

It will be mandatory solar panels on Igloos next.


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gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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On 20/07/2017 08:28, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes there does seem to be a fault in her logic there.So suggestions fro
inventive devices to stop children drowning in ponds that does not look like
a fence which takes away from the aesthetic appeal.

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops them
going in.


Or maybe some kind of device that all children wear that has every pond in
the area on it coded into a gps chip?
grin.
OK I know its very sad, and one can understand the lady, but really its up
to parents to be aware of what their children are doing.
Brian


Many countries require swimming pools to be fenced.

And here's a coroner calling for it to be mandatory in this country:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-birthday.html

On Thursday, 20 July 2017 09:47:19 UTC+1, GB wrote:
Many countries require swimming pools to be fenced.
And here's a coroner calling for it to be mandatory in this country:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-birthday.html

Many states in the USA not only require a fence but also an emergency telephone.

Owain

It's a knockout style elastic tethers!

Jim K

"Brian Gaff" Wrote in message:
Yes there does seem to be a fault in her logic there.So suggestions fro
inventive devices to stop children drowning in ponds that does not look like
a fence which takes away from the aesthetic appeal.

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops them
going in.


Or maybe some kind of device that all children wear that has every pond in
the area on it coded into a gps chip?
grin.
OK I know its very sad, and one can understand the lady, but really its up
to parents to be aware of what their children are doing.
Brian



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Brian Gaff wrote

Yes there does seem to be a fault in her logic there.So suggestions fro
inventive devices to stop children drowning in ponds that does not look
like a fence which takes away from the aesthetic appeal.

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops
them going in.

Should be fine for ponds but clearly not for swimming pools.

I realise you lot can't swim and don’t have pools.

Or maybe some kind of device that all children wear that has every pond
in the area on it coded into a gps chip?
grin.

The little buggers would just reprogram it and make an obscene
gesture in your general direction after they had done that.

OK I know its very sad, and one can understand the lady, but really its up
to parents to be aware of what their children are doing.

Easier said than done tho with your own pond 24/7.

Certainly makes sense not to have one when the rug rats are
that young, but that doesn’t help with visitors. My nephew
damned near managed to drown himself when visiting with
his parents.

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence, she thinks
everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one then?

On 20/07/17 09:47, GB wrote:


Many countries require swimming pools to be fenced.

But not ponds



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James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence, she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 10:15:20 +0100, wrote:

On Thursday, 20 July 2017 09:47:19 UTC+1, GB wrote:
Many countries require swimming pools to be fenced.
And here's a coroner calling for it to be mandatory in this country:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-birthday.html

Many states in the USA not only require a fence but also an emergency telephone.

The USA is over the top in everything. Everything is always someone else's fault.

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On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:47:15 +0100, GB wrote:

On 20/07/2017 08:28, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes there does seem to be a fault in her logic there.So suggestions fro
inventive devices to stop children drowning in ponds that does not look like
a fence which takes away from the aesthetic appeal.

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops them
going in.


Or maybe some kind of device that all children wear that has every pond in
the area on it coded into a gps chip?
grin.
OK I know its very sad, and one can understand the lady, but really its up
to parents to be aware of what their children are doing.
Brian


Many countries require swimming pools to be fenced.

And here's a coroner calling for it to be mandatory in this country:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-birthday.html

Why not make it compulsory to teach your kids to swim?

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On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:28:28 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops
them going in.

You can drown in an 1" of water...

Mesh isn't a bad idea though one of the anti Heron measures isn't it?

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Cheers
Dave.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:09:51 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:28:28 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops
them going in.

You can drown in an 1" of water...

No you can't, unless you're unconscious. Otherwise you simply lift yourself out of the water. Conscious people can only drown in water deeper than their own height. And then only if they're so ****ing unbelievably stupid as to have never learned to swim. Why do we care for these fools?

Mesh isn't a bad idea though one of the anti Heron measures isn't it?

I thought people did it to stop cats taking the goldfish.

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"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:47:15 +0100, GB wrote:

On 20/07/2017 08:28, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes there does seem to be a fault in her logic there.So suggestions fro
inventive devices to stop children drowning in ponds that does not look
like
a fence which takes away from the aesthetic appeal.

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops
them
going in.


Or maybe some kind of device that all children wear that has every pond
in
the area on it coded into a gps chip?
grin.
OK I know its very sad, and one can understand the lady, but really
its up
to parents to be aware of what their children are doing.
Brian


Many countries require swimming pools to be fenced.

And here's a coroner calling for it to be mandatory in this country:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-birthday.html

Why not make it compulsory to teach your kids to swim?

Because that isnt feasible with the youngest kids that can fall into a pond.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:56:42 +0100, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

Why not make it compulsory to teach your kids to swim?

Why not make it compulsory to give your kids a bath?

I mean, there are decent people living - or trying to - in Kensington &
Chelsea.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 22:16:02 +0100, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:56:42 +0100, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

Why not make it compulsory to teach your kids to swim?

Why not make it compulsory to give your kids a bath?

Because they can't die of being dirty.

I mean, there are decent people living - or trying to - in Kensington &
Chelsea.

What?

--
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"No, the grass tickles."

On 20/07/2017 09:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/07/17 02:02, Fredxxx wrote:
On 20/07/2017 00:29, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it.

Many thanks, sounds a good cause. It's got my vote.
Co9mplte;ly ****inmgh clueless.

My old house is 300 yards away from any other house, and has no childern
wandering in it.

WTF should I have to install a fence

Tyopical 'it works for me so I will force it on every one else'
Lefty/Remoaner attitide.

It'd pretty well ruin the aesthetics of having a pond at all too.

SteveW

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 23:02:48 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

On 20/07/2017 09:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/07/17 02:02, Fredxxx wrote:
On 20/07/2017 00:29, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it.

Many thanks, sounds a good cause. It's got my vote.
Co9mplte;ly ****inmgh clueless.

My old house is 300 yards away from any other house, and has no childern
wandering in it.

WTF should I have to install a fence

Tyopical 'it works for me so I will force it on every one else'
Lefty/Remoaner attitide.

It'd pretty well ruin the aesthetics of having a pond at all too.

An electric fence would be less visible, and funnier to watch the kids touching it.

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On 20/07/2017 12:15, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:09:51 +0100, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:28:28 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops
them going in.

You can drown in an 1" of water...

No you can't, unless you're unconscious. Otherwise you simply lift
yourself out of the water. Conscious people can only drown in water
deeper than their own height. And then only if they're so ****ing
unbelievably stupid as to have never learned to swim. Why do we care
for these fools?

Incorrect. There are rare cases of people falling over into a puddle and
a small amount of cold water hitting the back of the throat, this has
caused a sudden and instant inability to breath resulting in death.

There is also "dry" drowning where someone has aspirated some water, but
seems okay afterwards. Hours or even days later they can deteriorate and
die.

Even when someone can stand up in the water, if they are unable to get
out, they can rapidly suffer loss of body heat, loss of consciousness
and drowning. A young child falling into a pond or pool mid-winter could
easily suffer this.

SteveW

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 23:31:39 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

On 20/07/2017 12:15, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:09:51 +0100, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:28:28 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops
them going in.

You can drown in an 1" of water...

No you can't, unless you're unconscious. Otherwise you simply lift
yourself out of the water. Conscious people can only drown in water
deeper than their own height. And then only if they're so ****ing
unbelievably stupid as to have never learned to swim. Why do we care
for these fools?

Incorrect. There are rare cases of people falling over into a puddle and
a small amount of cold water hitting the back of the throat, this has
caused a sudden and instant inability to breath resulting in death.

ROTFPMSL! Were you drunk when you made that up? If water hits the back of the throat, you cough, or people would die everytime they had a cold drink.

There is also "dry" drowning where someone has aspirated some water, but
seems okay afterwards. Hours or even days later they can deteriorate and
die.

Right....

Even when someone can stand up in the water, if they are unable to get
out, they can rapidly suffer loss of body heat, loss of consciousness
and drowning. A young child falling into a pond or pool mid-winter could
easily suffer this.

Bull****. Ponds are shallow enough to climb out of, and pools have ladders.

Anyway, it takes hours to get cold in water. You don't believe that 15 minute myth that's going around do you?

--
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The black ones steal your watch and rings.

On 20/07/2017 23:56, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 23:31:39 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 20/07/2017 12:15, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:09:51 +0100, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:28:28 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops
them going in.

You can drown in an 1" of water...

No you can't, unless you're unconscious. Otherwise you simply lift
yourself out of the water. Conscious people can only drown in water
deeper than their own height. And then only if they're so ****ing
unbelievably stupid as to have never learned to swim. Why do we care
for these fools?

Incorrect. There are rare cases of people falling over into a puddle and
a small amount of cold water hitting the back of the throat, this has
caused a sudden and instant inability to breath resulting in death.

ROTFPMSL! Were you drunk when you made that up?

Your reply demonstrates ignorance.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:02:01 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 20/07/2017 23:56, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 23:31:39 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 20/07/2017 12:15, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:09:51 +0100, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:28:28 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops
them going in.

You can drown in an 1" of water...

No you can't, unless you're unconscious. Otherwise you simply lift
yourself out of the water. Conscious people can only drown in water
deeper than their own height. And then only if they're so ****ing
unbelievably stupid as to have never learned to swim. Why do we care
for these fools?

Incorrect. There are rare cases of people falling over into a puddle and
a small amount of cold water hitting the back of the throat, this has
caused a sudden and instant inability to breath resulting in death.

ROTFPMSL! Were you drunk when you made that up?

Your reply demonstrates ignorance.

The part you snipped explains why I'm correct.

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A conscience just costs you money.

On 20/07/2017 23:56, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 23:31:39 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 20/07/2017 12:15, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:09:51 +0100, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:28:28 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops
them going in.

You can drown in an 1" of water...

No you can't, unless you're unconscious. Otherwise you simply lift
yourself out of the water. Conscious people can only drown in water
deeper than their own height. And then only if they're so ****ing
unbelievably stupid as to have never learned to swim. Why do we care
for these fools?

Incorrect. There are rare cases of people falling over into a puddle and
a small amount of cold water hitting the back of the throat, this has
caused a sudden and instant inability to breath resulting in death.

ROTFPMSL! Were you drunk when you made that up? If water hits the back
of the throat, you cough, or people would die everytime they had a cold
drink.

I didn't make it up. I know of at least one widely reported case some
years ago from a coroner's court. The woman had died in exactly this
way. I can't find it at the moment, but here is an exerpt from RowSafe
from British Rowing.

"As you fall in and when you are in the water, cold water hitting your
throat can cause it to spasm and stop water, but also air! getting into
your lungs. This shock to your throat causes €œdry-drowning€� where
casualties are found to have no water in their lungs. When falling in,
keep your mouth closed and pinch your nose shut if you can, avoid
jumping feet first into water as this will cause the water to shoot up
your nose and hit your throat. When in the water, keep your back to the
waves to help stop the water going into your mouth and nose."

This is also referred to as "dry" drowning, but should not be confused
with the following.

There is also "dry" drowning where someone has aspirated some water, but
seems okay afterwards. Hours or even days later they can deteriorate and
die.

Right....

Plenty of cases of that to be found.

Even when someone can stand up in the water, if they are unable to get
out, they can rapidly suffer loss of body heat, loss of consciousness
and drowning. A young child falling into a pond or pool mid-winter could
easily suffer this.

Bull****. Ponds are shallow enough to climb out of, and pools have
ladders.

Young children may not be able to climb out or get to a ladder. They may
be crawling and not even able to stand.

Anyway, it takes hours to get cold in water. You don't believe that 15
minute myth that's going around do you?

It doesn't take hours for a small child in a pond at close to 0°C. Cramp
and numbness can set in very quickly making the child unable to help
themselves or even stand.

SteveW

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:03:57 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

On 20/07/2017 23:56, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 23:31:39 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 20/07/2017 12:15, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:09:51 +0100, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:28:28 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

How about a strong mesh over the top just below the surface that stops
them going in.

You can drown in an 1" of water...

No you can't, unless you're unconscious. Otherwise you simply lift
yourself out of the water. Conscious people can only drown in water
deeper than their own height. And then only if they're so ****ing
unbelievably stupid as to have never learned to swim. Why do we care
for these fools?

Incorrect. There are rare cases of people falling over into a puddle and
a small amount of cold water hitting the back of the throat, this has
caused a sudden and instant inability to breath resulting in death.

ROTFPMSL! Were you drunk when you made that up? If water hits the back
of the throat, you cough, or people would die everytime they had a cold
drink.

I didn't make it up. I know of at least one widely reported case some
years ago from a coroner's court. The woman had died in exactly this
way. I can't find it at the moment, but here is an exerpt from RowSafe
from British Rowing.

"As you fall in and when you are in the water, cold water hitting your
throat can cause it to spasm and stop water, but also air! getting into
your lungs. This shock to your throat causes €œdry-drowning€� where
casualties are found to have no water in their lungs. When falling in,
keep your mouth closed and pinch your nose shut if you can, avoid
jumping feet first into water as this will cause the water to shoot up
your nose and hit your throat. When in the water, keep your back to the
waves to help stop the water going into your mouth and nose."

This is also referred to as "dry" drowning, but should not be confused
with the following.

ONE case of a woman who had something seriously wrong with her. It just doesn't happen normally or it would be happening all the time in swimming pools, at beaches, and whenever someone had a drink.

There is also "dry" drowning where someone has aspirated some water, but
seems okay afterwards. Hours or even days later they can deteriorate and
die.

Right....

Plenty of cases of that to be found.

And billions more where it didn't. I've breathed in water quite a lot of times when swimming in the sea. I just cough it back up.

Even when someone can stand up in the water, if they are unable to get
out, they can rapidly suffer loss of body heat, loss of consciousness
and drowning. A young child falling into a pond or pool mid-winter could
easily suffer this.

Bull****. Ponds are shallow enough to climb out of, and pools have
ladders.

Young children may not be able to climb out or get to a ladder. They may
be crawling and not even able to stand.

Then don't leave them crawling about in the garden unattended, and certainly don't blame everyone else!

Anyway, it takes hours to get cold in water. You don't believe that 15
minute myth that's going around do you?

It doesn't take hours for a small child in a pond at close to 0°C.. Cramp
and numbness can set in very quickly making the child unable to help
themselves or even stand.

Age is nothing to do with it.

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Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change ready.

Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-20, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence, she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

Agreed, but why should I go to a deal of expense and inconvenience because
she's a useless moron?


I think we are compelled to do all kinds of things for no logical
reason. All part of the nonsense that is life.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:47:52 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-20, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence, she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

Agreed, but why should I go to a deal of expense and inconvenience because
she's a useless moron?

I think we are compelled to do all kinds of things for no logical
reason. All part of the nonsense that is life.

No, all part of the nonsense that is our government. **** the law, break the rules, do as you wish. 3 million a year caught speeding, yet they continue to keep speeding as an offence?

--
If the world were a logical place, then men would ride sidesaddle -- Rita May Brown

Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-21, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-20, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence, she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

Agreed, but why should I go to a deal of expense and inconvenience because
she's a useless moron?


I think we are compelled to do all kinds of things for no logical
reason. All part of the nonsense that is life.

[Nods sadly]

I'm still not fencing my ponds off, though. Anyone who falls in them
had to climb over a locked gate to get there, so tough titty.


I probably wouldn't either. It would have to be a spectacularly useless
burglar that managed to drown himself (I think I can safely use the word
'himself' here without upsetting the ladies). I think this poor woman
is probably trying to transfer or dissipate away from herself some of
the blame she no doubt feels. Having not been in the situation, I don't
imagine that I could ever understand what she's trying to do.

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:47:52 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-20, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence, she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

Agreed, but why should I go to a deal of expense and inconvenience
because
she's a useless moron?

I think we are compelled to do all kinds of things for no logical
reason. All part of the nonsense that is life.

No, all part of the nonsense that is our government. **** the law,
break the rules, do as you wish. 3 million a year caught speeding, yet
they continue to keep speeding as an offence?


Well, I think government can do a few useful things, as long as they
keep a very low profile. But there's an even worse thing called
politics, which just wrecks everything.

she should be aware of what her child was doing, leaving a 2 year old unsupervised outdoors long enough to drown............not great parenting.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:21:09 +0100, Huge wrote:

On 2017-07-20, Steve Walker wrote:
On 20/07/2017 09:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/07/17 02:02, Fredxxx wrote:
On 20/07/2017 00:29, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or someone
else's) falls into it.

Many thanks, sounds a good cause. It's got my vote.
Co9mplte;ly ****inmgh clueless.

My old house is 300 yards away from any other house, and has no childern
wandering in it.

WTF should I have to install a fence

My feelings precisely. Unfortunately, this might have something different
to say;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupi...ility_Act_1957

It'd have to be a pretty stupid judge to use that to the letter. People have to accept responsibility for themselves!

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on.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:03:55 +0100, mostyn harvey wrote:


she should be aware of what her child was doing, leaving a 2 year old
unsupervised outdoors long enough to drown............not great
parenting.

It really doesn't bother me how others bring up their kids. If they take risks and they die, it's their loss. But they should never tell someone else what to do.

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A nun with a spear through her head.

On 21/07/17 10:36, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:47:52 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-20, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or
someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence, she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

Agreed, but why should I go to a deal of expense and inconvenience
because
she's a useless moron?

I think we are compelled to do all kinds of things for no logical
reason. All part of the nonsense that is life.

No, all part of the nonsense that is our government. **** the law,
break the rules, do as you wish. 3 million a year caught speeding, yet
they continue to keep speeding as an offence?


Well, I think government can do a few useful things, as long as they
keep a very low profile. But there's an even worse thing called
politics, which just wrecks everything.

In this case prosecute the woman for child neglect.


When my sister brought her 2 year old to visit, she removed anything
below a height of 3 ft, inmcluding dozens of books,because 'he likes to
pull things over'



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conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/07/17 10:36, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:47:52 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-20, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or
someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence, she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one
then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

Agreed, but why should I go to a deal of expense and inconvenience
because
she's a useless moron?

I think we are compelled to do all kinds of things for no logical
reason. All part of the nonsense that is life.

No, all part of the nonsense that is our government. **** the law,
break the rules, do as you wish. 3 million a year caught speeding, yet
they continue to keep speeding as an offence?


Well, I think government can do a few useful things, as long as they
keep a very low profile. But there's an even worse thing called
politics, which just wrecks everything.

In this case prosecute the woman for child neglect.


When my sister brought her 2 year old to visit, she removed anything
below a height of 3 ft, inmcluding dozens of books,because 'he likes to
pull things over'


I've a young lad myself, and have been more cautious than I would ever
have imagined possible. I think I'm one of those 'helicopter parents'.
But I can't imagine how anyone could be otherwise. I guess it's one of
those things where you have to have had children to understand.
Probably hormones kicking in :-)

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:25:35 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/07/17 10:36, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:47:52 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-20, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or
someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence, she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one
then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

Agreed, but why should I go to a deal of expense and inconvenience
because
she's a useless moron?

I think we are compelled to do all kinds of things for no logical
reason. All part of the nonsense that is life.

No, all part of the nonsense that is our government. **** the law,
break the rules, do as you wish. 3 million a year caught speeding, yet
they continue to keep speeding as an offence?


Well, I think government can do a few useful things, as long as they
keep a very low profile. But there's an even worse thing called
politics, which just wrecks everything.

In this case prosecute the woman for child neglect.


When my sister brought her 2 year old to visit, she removed anything
below a height of 3 ft, inmcluding dozens of books,because 'he likes to
pull things over'


I've a young lad myself, and have been more cautious than I would ever
have imagined possible. I think I'm one of those 'helicopter parents'.
But I can't imagine how anyone could be otherwise. I guess it's one of
those things where you have to have had children to understand.
Probably hormones kicking in :-)

Wrapping your kids in cotton wool will make them inadequate in later life. You're a **** parent.

--
"I am" is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that "I do" is the longest sentence?

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:25:35 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/07/17 10:36, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:47:52 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-20, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to
install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or
someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in
her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence,
she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one
then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

Agreed, but why should I go to a deal of expense and inconvenience
because
she's a useless moron?

I think we are compelled to do all kinds of things for no logical
reason. All part of the nonsense that is life.

No, all part of the nonsense that is our government. **** the law,
break the rules, do as you wish. 3 million a year caught speeding,
yet
they continue to keep speeding as an offence?


Well, I think government can do a few useful things, as long as they
keep a very low profile. But there's an even worse thing called
politics, which just wrecks everything.

In this case prosecute the woman for child neglect.


When my sister brought her 2 year old to visit, she removed anything
below a height of 3 ft, inmcluding dozens of books,because 'he likes to
pull things over'


I've a young lad myself, and have been more cautious than I would ever
have imagined possible. I think I'm one of those 'helicopter parents'.
But I can't imagine how anyone could be otherwise. I guess it's one of
those things where you have to have had children to understand.
Probably hormones kicking in :-)

Wrapping your kids in cotton wool will make them inadequate in later
life. You're a **** parent.


I'm aware of the possibility. Do you have children of your own?

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:56:30 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:25:35 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/07/17 10:36, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:47:52 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre
wrote:

Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-20, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to
install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or
someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in
her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence,
she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one
then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

Agreed, but why should I go to a deal of expense and inconvenience
because
she's a useless moron?

I think we are compelled to do all kinds of things for no logical
reason. All part of the nonsense that is life.

No, all part of the nonsense that is our government. **** the law,
break the rules, do as you wish. 3 million a year caught speeding,
yet
they continue to keep speeding as an offence?


Well, I think government can do a few useful things, as long as they
keep a very low profile. But there's an even worse thing called
politics, which just wrecks everything.

In this case prosecute the woman for child neglect.


When my sister brought her 2 year old to visit, she removed anything
below a height of 3 ft, inmcluding dozens of books,because 'he
likes to
pull things over'


I've a young lad myself, and have been more cautious than I would ever
have imagined possible. I think I'm one of those 'helicopter parents'.
But I can't imagine how anyone could be otherwise. I guess it's one of
those things where you have to have had children to understand.
Probably hormones kicking in :-)

Wrapping your kids in cotton wool will make them inadequate in later
life. You're a **** parent.


I'm aware of the possibility.

Then teach them to look after themselves.


I know. I'd have said exactly the same /before/ the event. Like I say,
I think some weird hormones are at work.

Do you have children of your own?

No, because people should only have children if they'
1) Rich enough to buy them their first house so they never have to have
a mortgage.
2) In perfect health so they don't pass on any inferior genes.
3) Good looking so no more ugly people are created.


Two out of three will have to do for now. I'm trying my hardest for the
third, though one of the others may fall by the wayside in the meantime.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:24:18 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:56:30 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:25:35 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/07/17 10:36, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:47:52 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre
wrote:

Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-20, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to
install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or
someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old fell in
her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a fence,
she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have one
then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

Agreed, but why should I go to a deal of expense and inconvenience
because
she's a useless moron?

I think we are compelled to do all kinds of things for no logical
reason. All part of the nonsense that is life.

No, all part of the nonsense that is our government. **** the law,
break the rules, do as you wish. 3 million a year caught speeding,
yet
they continue to keep speeding as an offence?


Well, I think government can do a few useful things, as long as they
keep a very low profile. But there's an even worse thing called
politics, which just wrecks everything.

In this case prosecute the woman for child neglect.


When my sister brought her 2 year old to visit, she removed anything
below a height of 3 ft, inmcluding dozens of books,because 'he
likes to
pull things over'


I've a young lad myself, and have been more cautious than I would ever
have imagined possible. I think I'm one of those 'helicopter parents'.
But I can't imagine how anyone could be otherwise. I guess it's one of
those things where you have to have had children to understand.
Probably hormones kicking in :-)

Wrapping your kids in cotton wool will make them inadequate in later
life. You're a **** parent.


I'm aware of the possibility.

Then teach them to look after themselves.

I know. I'd have said exactly the same /before/ the event. Like I say,
I think some weird hormones are at work.

Then why did you say you were cautious?

Do you have children of your own?

No, because people should only have children if they'
1) Rich enough to buy them their first house so they never have to have
a mortgage.
2) In perfect health so they don't pass on any inferior genes.
3) Good looking so no more ugly people are created.

Two out of three will have to do for now. I'm trying my hardest for the
third, though one of the others may fall by the wayside in the meantime.

Which one of the three haven't you done?

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James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:24:18 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:56:30 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:25:35 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/07/17 10:36, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:47:52 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre
wrote:

Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-20, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I just got asked to sign a petition requiring everybody to
install a
lockable fence around their garden pond incase their child (or
someone
else's) falls into it. The reason? Her own 2 year old
fell in
her
unfenced pond and drowned. So because she didn't have a
fence,
she
thinks everyone else should? Er.... so why didn't she have
one
then?

Very sad, but it may be a case of her salving her conscience.

Agreed, but why should I go to a deal of expense and
inconvenience
because
she's a useless moron?

I think we are compelled to do all kinds of things for no logical
reason. All part of the nonsense that is life.

No, all part of the nonsense that is our government. **** the
law,
break the rules, do as you wish. 3 million a year caught
speeding,
yet
they continue to keep speeding as an offence?


Well, I think government can do a few useful things, as long as
they
keep a very low profile. But there's an even worse thing called
politics, which just wrecks everything.

In this case prosecute the woman for child neglect.


When my sister brought her 2 year old to visit, she removed anything
below a height of 3 ft, inmcluding dozens of books,because 'he
likes to
pull things over'


I've a young lad myself, and have been more cautious than I would
ever
have imagined possible. I think I'm one of those 'helicopter
parents'.
But I can't imagine how anyone could be otherwise. I guess it's
one of
those things where you have to have had children to understand.
Probably hormones kicking in :-)

Wrapping your kids in cotton wool will make them inadequate in later
life. You're a **** parent.


I'm aware of the possibility.

Then teach them to look after themselves.

I know. I'd have said exactly the same /before/ the event. Like I say,
I think some weird hormones are at work.

Then why did you say you were cautious?


Because I am. If there appears to be a logical conflict in what I've
said, then I've failed to express myself adequately. Again.

Do you have children of your own?

No, because people should only have children if they'
1) Rich enough to buy them their first house so they never have to have
a mortgage.
2) In perfect health so they don't pass on any inferior genes.
3) Good looking so no more ugly people are created.

Two out of three will have to do for now. I'm trying my hardest for the
third, though one of the others may fall by the wayside in the meantime.

Which one of the three haven't you done?


Not very rich yet (probably never will be), but good at saving. We
could buy said house, although that does conflict with the aim of
'looking after themselves'.

Actually, not particularly good looking either, but the missus has made
sure that our son is.