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Does anyone know if any of the energy suppliers are installing SMETS 2
meters yet?

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F wrote:
Does anyone know if any of the energy suppliers are installing SMETS 2
meters yet?

I read somewhere that they would be rolled out from Feb 17......

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On 11/01/2017 10:50, F wrote:
Does anyone know if any of the energy suppliers are installing SMETS 2
meters yet?


'Smart' meters for dumb people.

Hope they are smarter than a Sony smart TV, which isn't
very smart at all.

Perhaps Smug meters might be a better description ?.

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En el artículo , Bob Minchin bob.minchinREM
escribió:

I read somewhere that they would be rolled out from Feb 17......

Is it possible to refuse one? I don't want one.

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On 11/01/17 12:31, Andrew wrote:
On 11/01/2017 10:50, F wrote:
Does anyone know if any of the energy suppliers are installing SMETS 2
meters yet?
'Smart' meters for dumb people.


This is the smart meter opposing view. Foil hat brigade.

"radiation risk"
http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/category/health-effects/

Hope they are smarter than a Sony smart TV, which isn't
very smart at all.

The word "smart" is a dumbed down advertising slogan, as if they really
defined in English what the feature actually was, the matter would be
flying over most peoples heads. Bit like sticking "i" in front of things.

Wouldn't "remotely read utilities metering" do?


Perhaps Smug meters might be a better description ?.

Nah, then again I might be unavoidably smug as some of my electricity
bill might eventually be subsidised by people who haven't got them
installed.

Now where have we seen that before ...

Solar FIT payments?
Folks on Pre-payment meters?
Folks with poorly insulated houses that can't change that?
Folks without water meters?

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On 1/11/2017 12:49 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Bob Minchin bob.minchinREM
escribió:

I read somewhere that they would be rolled out from Feb 17......

Is it possible to refuse one? I don't want one.

I declined to accept the generous offer of one. So, yes, I believe so at
the moment.

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En el artículo ,
newshound escribió:

I declined to accept the generous offer of one. So, yes, I believe so at
the moment.

Thanks.

It seems to be the usual colossal ****up if this is anything to go by.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/Tag/smart%20meter

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On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:54:20 +0000
newshound wrote:

On 1/11/2017 12:49 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Bob Minchin
bob.minchinREM escribió:

I read somewhere that they would be rolled out from Feb 17......

Is it possible to refuse one? I don't want one.

I declined to accept the generous offer of one. So, yes, I believe so
at the moment.

There is some discussion of this in the next thread, at least as far
as water meters are concerned.

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On 11/01/2017 14:03, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo ,
newshound escribió:

I declined to accept the generous offer of one. So, yes, I believe so at
the moment.

Thanks.

It seems to be the usual colossal ****up if this is anything to go by.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/Tag/smart%20meter


Do you actually believe the meters can be programmed to blow up like
claimed?

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En el artículo . com,
dennis@home.? escribió:

Do you actually believe the meters can be programmed to blow up like
claimed?

Nah. Try looking past the first hit and look at the other links -
incompatibility, insecurity, etc. Those are credible.

Because there are several incompatible models of smart meter, it makes
it more difficult to switch suppliers if the one you want to switch to
doesn't support your meter. Which is what the utility companies want -
they want to make it harder for you to chase the cheapest deal.

And I'm ****ed if I'll give the utility the ability to switch off my
lecky remotely if their computer incorrectly decides I haven't paid the
bill.

Smart meters aren't about helping you monitor your usage and saving
energy - that's all bull****. It's about placing more control in the
hands of your utility company. And you're paying for it in increased
bills.

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On Wednesday, 11 January 2017 14:10:32 UTC, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo ,
newshound escribió:

I declined to accept the generous offer of one. So, yes, I believe so at
the moment.

Thanks.

It seems to be the usual colossal ****up if this is anything to go by.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/Tag/smart%20meter

What a load of drivel.

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Mike Tomlinson wrote:

Because there are several incompatible models of smart meter, it makes
it more difficult to switch suppliers if the one you want to switch to
doesn't support your meter.

The new supplier may not support your existing meter *as* a smart meter,
but if you want to switch, you can always treat the meter as non-smart
and give them meter readings/let them send a meter reader round.

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Andy Burns wrote:
Mike Tomlinson wrote:

Because there are several incompatible models of smart meter, it
makes it more difficult to switch suppliers if the one you want to
switch to doesn't support your meter.

The new supplier may not support your existing meter *as* a smart
meter, but if you want to switch, you can always treat the meter as
non-smart and give them meter readings/let them send a meter reader
round.

BG rang me a few weeks ago about making an appointment for smart meters to
be fitted. I told them NO.
That was fine with them ---------- sort of.

I have read that when new meters become compulsory the new meter(s) do not
have to be smart if the householder declines the technology.

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Mike Tomlinson wrote:
Smart meters aren't about helping you monitor your usage and saving
energy - that's all bull****. It's about placing more control in the
hands of your utility company. And you're paying for it in increased
bills.
Exactly! Nail hit head etc

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On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:23:42 +0000, Adrian Caspersz
wrote:
On 11/01/17 12:31, Andrew wrote:

Hope they are smarter than a Sony smart TV, which isn't
very smart at all.

The word "smart" is a dumbed down advertising slogan, as if they
really
defined in English what the feature actually was, the matter would
be
flying over most peoples heads. Bit like sticking "i" in front of
things.

Wouldn't "remotely read utilities metering" do?

Yebbut they also enable you to check how much power appliances
consume. Except they don't as they only show total consumption and
include things that turn on and off with thermostats like fridges.

But this is a major selling point to users - really they are just to
save the cost of employing meter readers.

(Actually I can calculate total consumption with my mechanical
electricity meter by measuring the time for one revolution of the
disc and dividing it into 21,600.)

--
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On 11/01/2017 18:56, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Mike Tomlinson wrote:

Because there are several incompatible models of smart meter, it
makes it more difficult to switch suppliers if the one you want to
switch to doesn't support your meter.

The new supplier may not support your existing meter *as* a smart
meter, but if you want to switch, you can always treat the meter as
non-smart and give them meter readings/let them send a meter reader
round.

BG rang me a few weeks ago about making an appointment for smart meters to
be fitted. I told them NO.
That was fine with them ---------- sort of.

I have read that when new meters become compulsory the new meter(s) do not
have to be smart if the householder declines the technology.


Correct. But a lot of people don't want to hear that they have a
statutory right to decline to have smart meters.

--
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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

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On 11/01/17 18:09, dennis@home wrote:
On 11/01/2017 14:03, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo ,
newshound escribió:

I declined to accept the generous offer of one. So, yes, I believe so at
the moment.

Thanks.

It seems to be the usual colossal ****up if this is anything to go by.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/Tag/smart%20meter


Do you actually believe the meters can be programmed to blow up like
claimed?

Possibly as a side effect of being switched on and off like crazy with a
big load on the end.

One of the more interesting ideas was what might happen if hackers got
control of several hundred thousand meters and could drop a GW or two on
and off the grid more or less synchronously, leading to massive
frequency swings and the consequential tripping off of power stations.

The scale of the attack would suggest it would be hard, but if the
security of these meters is as ****e as El Reg claims, it might be possible.

For example, they claim access over Zigbee is not well protected and of
course, Zigbee meshes, so from one point you can reach a moderate area.

The other one which was appalling was if you run a rogue mobile cell and
convince the meters to connect to that. One series of meters all used
the same hardcoded APN so commandeering a large number in a tight
geographic area was suggested as being a possibility.

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On 11/01/17 18:25, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo . com,
dennis@home.? escribió:

Do you actually believe the meters can be programmed to blow up like
claimed?

Nah. Try looking past the first hit and look at the other links -
incompatibility, insecurity, etc. Those are credible.

Just google "Scada hack" for a mind opening experience!

Because there are several incompatible models of smart meter, it makes
it more difficult to switch suppliers if the one you want to switch to
doesn't support your meter. Which is what the utility companies want -
they want to make it harder for you to chase the cheapest deal.

And I'm ****ed if I'll give the utility the ability to switch off my
lecky remotely if their computer incorrectly decides I haven't paid the
bill.

Totally with you on that brah...

Smart meters aren't about helping you monitor your usage and saving
energy - that's all bull****. It's about placing more control in the
hands of your utility company. And you're paying for it in increased
bills.

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On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 18:56:20 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:
Mike Tomlinson wrote:

Because there are several incompatible models of smart meter, it
makes it more difficult to switch suppliers if the one you want to
switch to doesn't support your meter.

The new supplier may not support your existing meter *as* a smart
meter, but if you want to switch, you can always treat the meter as
non-smart and give them meter readings/let them send a meter reader
round.

BG rang me a few weeks ago about making an appointment for smart meters to
be fitted. I told them NO.
That was fine with them ---------- sort of.

I have read that when new meters become compulsory the new meter(s) do not
have to be smart if the householder declines the technology.

I see no point in declining, apart from the inconvenience of them fitting it.

--
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En el artículo , James Wilkinson Sword
escribió:

I see no point in declining

That's because you're a clueless trolling ****wit.

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On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 6:25:20 PM UTC, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo . com,
dennis@home.? escribió:

Do you actually believe the meters can be programmed to blow up like
claimed?

Nah. Try looking past the first hit and look at the other links -
incompatibility, insecurity, etc. Those are credible.

Because there are several incompatible models of smart meter, it makes
it more difficult to switch suppliers if the one you want to switch to
doesn't support your meter. Which is what the utility companies want -
they want to make it harder for you to chase the cheapest deal.

And I'm ****ed if I'll give the utility the ability to switch off my
lecky remotely if their computer incorrectly decides I haven't paid the
bill.

Smart meters aren't about helping you monitor your usage and saving
energy - that's all bull****. It's about placing more control in the
hands of your utility company. And you're paying for it in increased
bills.


Ding!

Any time a profit-making concern tries to persuade me that something's in my best interests, my immediate reaction is "don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining". I think I first did this in 1987 when a building society tried to tell me what a great thing endowment mortgages were.

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:16:34 -0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artículo , James Wilkinson Sword
escribió:

I see no point in declining

That's because you're a clueless trolling ****wit.

PKB, you just used the troll switch - changing the followup is unforgivable.

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On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:17:40 -0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

I have read that when new meters become compulsory the new
meter(s) do
not have to be smart if the householder declines the technology.

I see no point in declining,

As the buggers haven't routinely changed any of our meters (dated
1967, 1980 or 1996). If "they" suddenly want to "they" can also
replace the meter board, (which is vaugely loose), move the cutout
onto said new board, replace all the meters and fit switch fuses for
each supply (4) all in one hit. I'll happily pay reasonable costs for
or supply the switch fuses and supply suitable meter board(s), as it
needs to be long and narrow to fit the available space.

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Cheers
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:25:15 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:17:40 -0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

I have read that when new meters become compulsory the new
meter(s) do
not have to be smart if the householder declines the technology.

I see no point in declining,

As the buggers haven't routinely changed any of our meters (dated
1967, 1980 or 1996).

I got a new meter about 6 years ago (from EDF) because they offered me a tariff which gave me much cheaper electricity all evening and night and weekend. That tariff is no longer the cheapest, so I just use the dual meter as a single, reporting both readings and getting charged the same for both.

If "they" suddenly want to "they" can also
replace the meter board, (which is vaugely loose), move the cutout
onto said new board, replace all the meters and fit switch fuses for
each supply (4) all in one hit. I'll happily pay reasonable costs for
or supply the switch fuses and supply suitable meter board(s), as it
needs to be long and narrow to fit the available space.

I don't think they like switched fuses - I assume you can then turn off the supply before the meter (to let you tamper with it).

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They've told the public not to panic as they've managed to push it inside.

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:35:16 -0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

I don't think they like switched fuses - I assume you can then turn off
the supply before the meter (to let you tamper with it).

No the switch fuse would be mine, so it goes after the meter Which is
the suppliers). If I wanted to tamper with the meter I'd consider
working live but why risk that when you can simply pull the cutout
(which is the DNO's)? If you are worried about the wire seals, eBay
is your friend.

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On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 00:20:58 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:35:16 -0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

I don't think they like switched fuses - I assume you can then turn off
the supply before the meter (to let you tamper with it).

No the switch fuse would be mine, so it goes after the meter Which is
the suppliers). If I wanted to tamper with the meter I'd consider
working live but why risk that when you can simply pull the cutout
(which is the DNO's)? If you are worried about the wire seals, eBay
is your friend.

Yes I know all that :-)

But the suppliers will assume most people won't risk breaking the seal or working live.

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She wanted to keep it.