Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back to extract the key?
 

My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs to
go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to the
point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.

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Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back toextract the key?
 

On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 09:48:05 UTC, Chris Green wrote:

My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs to
go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to the
point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.

It's due to the design of the mechanism on the inside of the door. Some are like that.


NT

Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back to extract the key?
 

jim k wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs to
go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to the
point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.


Sounds wrong.
Sounds somehow like a deadlocking procedure is in use all the
time, rather than as & when required.

Yes, that's possible, it feels like having to wind the bolt out but
isn't actually doing anything. No space in the handle/door bit anyway
for a long withdrawal.


Google manufacturer & download instructions?

Good idea, it's not that old, thanks.

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Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back toextract the key?
 

Chris Green Wrote in message:
My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs to
go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to the
point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.


Sounds wrong.
Sounds somehow like a deadlocking procedure is in use all the
time, rather than as & when required.

Google manufacturer & download instructions?
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Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back toextract the key?
 

Chris Green Wrote in message:
jim k wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs to
go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to the
point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.


Sounds wrong.
Sounds somehow like a deadlocking procedure is in use all the
time, rather than as & when required.

Yes, that's possible, it feels like having to wind the bolt out but
isn't actually doing anything. No space in the handle/door bit anyway
for a long withdrawal.


Istr the yale doesn't have a long or deadbolt.

The "double lock" stops it being possible to "slip" the latch
with eg credit card.

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Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back toextract the key?
 

Chris Green wrote:
My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs to
go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to the
point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.

You may be able to change this by removing the cylinder, turning it 180
and putting it back

Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back toextract the key?
 

On 12/13/2016 9:41 AM, Chris Green wrote:
My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs to
go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to the
point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.


This is fairly normal behaviour on some eurolocks on PVC or Aluminium
doors and relates to the design of the bolts and latches.

Shouldn't happen with a Yale nightlatch on a wooden door.

Sounds like you have a hybrid?

Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back toextract the key?
 

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:54:54 +0000, jim wrote:

Chris Green Wrote in message:
jim k wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side
door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs to
go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to the
point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.


Sounds wrong.
Sounds somehow like a deadlocking procedure is in use all the
time, rather than as & when required.

Yes, that's possible, it feels like having to wind the bolt out but
isn't actually doing anything. No space in the handle/door bit anyway
for a long withdrawal.


Istr the yale doesn't have a long or deadbolt.

The "double lock" stops it being possible to "slip" the latch
with eg credit card.

But some Yale locks thwart that without an explicit deadlock action being
required.



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Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back toextract the key?
 

Bob Eager Wrote in message:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:54:54 +0000, jim wrote:

Chris Green Wrote in message:
jim k wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side
door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs to
go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to the
point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.


Sounds wrong.
Sounds somehow like a deadlocking procedure is in use all the
time, rather than as & when required.

Yes, that's possible, it feels like having to wind the bolt out but
isn't actually doing anything. No space in the handle/door bit anyway
for a long withdrawal.


Istr the yale doesn't have a long or deadbolt.

The "double lock" stops it being possible to "slip" the latch
with eg credit card.

But some Yale locks thwart that without an explicit deadlock action being
required.

How?
Maybe it's a BS thing to require a keyed action...

Shrug.

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Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back toextract the key?
 

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:17:44 +0000, jim wrote:

Bob Eager Wrote in message:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:54:54 +0000, jim wrote:

Chris Green Wrote in message:
jim k wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side
door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs
to go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to
the point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or
more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.


Sounds wrong.
Sounds somehow like a deadlocking procedure is in use all the
time, rather than as & when required.

Yes, that's possible, it feels like having to wind the bolt out but
isn't actually doing anything. No space in the handle/door bit
anyway for a long withdrawal.


Istr the yale doesn't have a long or deadbolt.

The "double lock" stops it being possible to "slip" the latch
with eg credit card.

But some Yale locks thwart that without an explicit deadlock action
being required.

How?
Maybe it's a BS thing to require a keyed action...

Hardly. My front door lock is BS3621. It only has a keyed action from the
inside.

But it can't be carded. The main bolt will not retract under external
pressure if the door is closed. There is a secondary locking plunger that
prevents that.

http://www.yale.co.uk/en/yale/couk/p...ches/BS1BS2---
BS3621-Maximum-Security-Nightlatch/



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Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back to extract the key?
 

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:10:51 +1100, F Murtz
wrote:

Chris Green wrote:
My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs to
go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to the
point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.

You may be able to change this by removing the cylinder, turning it 180
and putting it back

In practice he would need to remove the latch from the inside, insert
a flat screwdriver in the back of the latch and rotate it 180 deg CW,
then re-assemble.


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Should a standard 'yale' type lock need to be turned back toextract the key?
 

On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 17:17:43 UTC, jim wrote:
Bob Eager Wrote in message:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:54:54 +0000, jim wrote:

Chris Green Wrote in message:
jim k wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
My daughter's house has a standard 'yale' type lock on the side
door,
one that slams shut and opens with an ordinary 'yale' key.

When the key has been turned far enough to open the door it needs to
go a *long* way back to extract the key, it's not just back to the
point at which the latch is released, it's 180 degrees or more.

Is this normal or has it been installed wrong somehow? I don't
remember having to 'unwind' other keys so much to get them out.


Sounds wrong.
Sounds somehow like a deadlocking procedure is in use all the
time, rather than as & when required.

Yes, that's possible, it feels like having to wind the bolt out but
isn't actually doing anything. No space in the handle/door bit anyway
for a long withdrawal.


Istr the yale doesn't have a long or deadbolt.

The "double lock" stops it being possible to "slip" the latch
with eg credit card.

But some Yale locks thwart that without an explicit deadlock action being
required.

How?
Maybe it's a BS thing to require a keyed action...

There is an extra "tongue" at the side of the main latch.
When the door is closed, the extra tongue is pushed in and the main latch can't be pushed back.