No-salt water softener
Has anyone here used one of these no-salt water softeners?
http://www.centralheat.co.uk/monarch...ener-s15t.html short version: http://tinyurl.com/zn93kl9 "Almost all the benefits of fully softened water" is the claim, and at a much lower price. Many thanks. |
No-salt water softener
As a hasty follow-up I've just discovered these online reviews:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/Water-Ut...808794#Reviews short version: http://tinyurl.com/jhemw7o most of which are not encouraging. |
No-salt water softener
Bert Coules wrote:
Has anyone here used one of these no-salt water softeners? http://www.centralheat.co.uk/monarch...ener-s15t.html It seems to be a plumbed-in equivalent of a Brita filter, I use the latter for the coffee machine and to make ice cubes, but it will only reduce, not eliminate, limescale. Therefore it may not have the expected benefits for a whole-house installation. |
No-salt water softener
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:50:20 -0000, "Bert Coules"
wrote: As a hasty follow-up I've just discovered these online reviews: http://www.reviewcentre.com/Water-Ut...808794#Reviews short version: http://tinyurl.com/jhemw7o most of which are not encouraging. http://www.chem1.com/CQ/catscams.html may be useful. |
No-salt water softener
Bert Coules wrote
Has anyone here used one of these no-salt water softeners? http://www.centralheat.co.uk/monarch...ener-s15t.html short version: http://tinyurl.com/zn93kl9 "Almost all the benefits of fully softened water" is the claim, and at a much lower price. When they don't bother to spell out how it works, and don't provide any chemical analysis of the water before and after... Someone must have done some tests on their system. |
No-salt water softener
Bert Coules wrote
As a hasty follow-up I've just discovered these online reviews: http://www.reviewcentre.com/Water-Ut...808794#Reviews short version: http://tinyurl.com/jhemw7o most of which are not encouraging. None of those have a proper chemical analysis of the water before and after the alleged softener over time and that is completely trivial to do. |
No-salt water softener
Sounds like snake oil to me. If you remove the limescale it has to go
somewhere, and that place is probably going to be in the pipework of the non salt softener, or shock horror, its all abig con. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Bert Coules wrote Has anyone here used one of these no-salt water softeners? http://www.centralheat.co.uk/monarch...ener-s15t.html short version: http://tinyurl.com/zn93kl9 "Almost all the benefits of fully softened water" is the claim, and at a much lower price. When they don't bother to spell out how it works, and don't provide any chemical analysis of the water before and after... Someone must have done some tests on their system. |
No-salt water softener
On 04/12/2016 10:49, Brian Gaff wrote:
Sounds like snake oil to me. If you remove the limescale it has to go somewhere, and that place is probably going to be in the pipework of the non salt softener, or shock horror, its all abig con. Brian You can soften water chemically. Washing powders used to do so using phosphates. They were reduced/removed because of the environmental damage they do when they get into the rivers. I wouldn't be surprised if they had phosphate blocks in the machine that slowly dissolve over a year or two. The clue would be in the words "food grade", you can still buy phosphates as food grade. |
No-salt water softener
On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 11:40:50 +0000, Bert Coules wrote:
Has anyone here used one of these no-salt water softeners? http://www.centralheat.co.uk/monarch...ater-softener- s15t.html short version: http://tinyurl.com/zn93kl9 "Almost all the benefits of fully softened water" is the claim, and at a much lower price. Many thanks. We had a phosphate balls water treatment installed on the mains side of our boiler. As far as I know it used food grade phosphates which slowly dissolved; you had to change the balls in the container every few years. The hot water tap didn't seem to fur up. Not as effective as a whole house water softener as far as I can recall, but then we only used it on the hot to prevent the combi boiler furring up. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
No-salt water softener
Brian Gaff wrote
Sounds like snake oil to me. If you remove the limescale it has to go somewhere, Not if you turn it isnt something much more soluble. Not saying that this device does that, but the ones that use salt clearly do that. and that place is probably going to be in the pipework of the non salt softener, This one could see the chemicals end up in the resin and since that does need periodic replacement, likely is where it ends up if it works. or shock horror, its all abig con. The electronic ones clearly are since there is no known way to turn the relatively insoluble salts into much more soluble salts purely with an electric or magnetic field. "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Bert Coules wrote Has anyone here used one of these no-salt water softeners? http://www.centralheat.co.uk/monarch...ener-s15t.html short version: http://tinyurl.com/zn93kl9 "Almost all the benefits of fully softened water" is the claim, and at a much lower price. When they don't bother to spell out how it works, and don't provide any chemical analysis of the water before and after... Someone must have done some tests on their system. |
No-salt water softener
Many thanks to everyone for the replies and links. Very helpful and indeed
illuminating: I've decided to embrace the traditional technology. I see that Monarch, makers of that no-salt unit, also have a conventional machine in their catalogue: a two-chamber block-salt model which seems very similar to the Kinetico softener I had at a previous house. The most obvious difference is that the Monarch is about half the price. Searching for reviews and opinions online I have so far failed to turn up a single one, which might or might not be significant. |
No-salt water softener
I've now installed the Monarch block-salt model. Build quality is certainly
not as high-end as the Kinetico I used to have, but in every other respect the Monarch seems to be fine. Thanks to everyone for the thoughts and advice. |
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