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Dave Plowman wrote:
It's all too easy to pick on just one reason why an election is lost - or won. IMHO, it's often because the electorate is simply fed up of *any* government and want a change. After all, the opposition have been telling Very true... Lets face it, that was how Tony got in with a slightly warmed over tory manifesto! them for the past few years that they'd make a *much* better job of it. But rarely do... Alas also true... I like the suggestion from Billy Connoly - that the desire to be a politician ought to immediately bar you from ever being one! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... bloody big snip It never will as its a great report. You are Lord Hutton and I claim my 5 pounds ! |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "PoP" wrote in message ... On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 00:40:42 +0000, John Rumm wrote: Demonstrating their grasp of all things IT, they released the MS Word document complete with its (hidden embedded) list of recent editors and revisions still in it:- http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/blair.htm Was this reported to Hutton, or did he declare it was outside of his remit? He said it was not sexed up at all. Great report. Top judge, went to a snot skule and snot uni too. snip drivel No you didn't snip the drivel, you left your attribution intact ! :~) |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Dave Plowman wrote: It's all too easy to pick on just one reason why an election is lost - or won. IMHO, it's often because the electorate is simply fed up of *any* government and want a change. After all, the opposition have been telling them for the past few years that they'd make a *much* better job of it. But rarely do... Very true... Lets face it, that was how Tony got in with a slightly warmed over tory manifesto! What balls! The country was ****ed off after 18 years of poverty and deprivation. The 1970 election was one which Wilson took it for granted he would win. Everything was fine: the economy, no unemployment, kept us out of Viet Nam, everything on the up and up, yet this turkey Heath got in against the odds. No need for change, yet the public went with the right wing media, which is most of the media. |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Ben Blaney wrote: Or maybe my memory is playing up, but I could have sworn the IMF had to bail out the Calleghan government as a result of the complete horlicks they made of the economy... There was slightly more to it than you imply. I appreciate that - was just keeping it simple for IMM - complex explanations seem to go straight over his head. ;-) You mean I am not swayed by strange opinions and plain lies....and weirdoes. |
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In article ,
Jerry. wrote: Sorry but the '74 mining strike / was / both responsible for the election and caused the result - Heath went to the country and asked the voting public to either back him or sack him in his dealing with the miners strike. That's rather assuming too much. Any number of things could have had the same result - you are assuming the electors took notice of the question and voted purely on that. -- *I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize * Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... snip A little history for IMM. Ted Heath's Government ended in '73 snip Just to correct myself. Actually it was Feb '74, the miners strike was during the '73 - 74 winter. |
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writes Dave Plowman wrote: It's all too easy to pick on just one reason why an election is lost - or won. IMHO, it's often because the electorate is simply fed up of *any* government and want a change. After all, the opposition have been telling Very true... Lets face it, that was how Tony got in with a slightly warmed over tory manifesto! them for the past few years that they'd make a *much* better job of it. But rarely do... Alas also true... I like the suggestion from Billy Connoly - that the desire to be a politician ought to immediately bar you from ever being one! Hardly a Billy Connolly original, it's based on a saying of Groucho Marx which he probably nicked from somewhere before that -- geoff |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... snip garbage I really am hitting a nerve with you... No. I just snip garbage when I see it. Don't look in the mirror then.... Cheers Clive |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... snip Sorry but the '74 mining strike / was / both responsible for the election and caused the result - Heath went to the country and asked the voting public to either back him or sack him in his dealing with the miners strike. Not so. IMM, you are a class one tosser and this is getting pointless as you seem to refuse to believe history - are you are trying to rewrite history like Starlin and Chairman Mow(sp?) did?! If heath did not say he was calling the election due to the miners shrike why did Wilson end his introduction to the Labour parties manifesto for the February election with the following words; quote This Election is not about the miners. They are in the firing line today. The housewife has been in the firing line ever since Mr. Heath was elected. Let us now choose a Government willing to face up to Britain's problems; let us elect a Government of all the people; let us work together. Harold Wilson /quote |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... snip Sorry but the '74 mining strike / was / both responsible for the election and caused the result - Heath went to the country and asked the voting public to either back him or sack him in his dealing with the miners strike. Not so. snip drivel |
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In article ,
Jerry. wrote: It sound like you think Wilson didn't have the balls to impose the correct policies to get the economy back on track, he had bee in power for at least a year before he went to the IMF - that is after allowing even more money to flow out of the exchequer in the form of high public sector wage setelments. I was in the public sector at that time, and public sector pay rises didn't keep pace with inflation. Of course, it's nice for those who don't work in the public sector to expect those who do to take a *real* cut in their standard of living, through pay freezes etc, to try help contain inflation, but don't expect it to apply to them. -- *I wish the buck stopped here. I could use a few. Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:05:09 +0000, geoff wrote:
He's a bit like you Minimie - he just can't see that he's wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence Oh please, let's not put Dubya in the same starting block as IMM. Surely Dubya has to been at least one level above! PoP Sending email to my published email address isn't guaranteed to reach me. |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... snip Maxie, I am the world's greatest debater. But not the best at spelling though, you miss spelt the last word - there should have been the letters 'MAS' at the beginning of the last word... |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "John Rumm" wrote in message ... Dave Plowman wrote: It's all too easy to pick on just one reason why an election is lost - or won. IMHO, it's often because the electorate is simply fed up of *any* government and want a change. After all, the opposition have been telling them for the past few years that they'd make a *much* better job of it. But rarely do... Very true... Lets face it, that was how Tony got in with a slightly warmed over tory manifesto! What balls! The country was ****ed off after 18 years of poverty and deprivation. No, the main reason was sleaze. Labour was caused problems due to apparent sleaze in Liverpool (despite Mr Kinocks attempts to deal with it, at great risk to his leadership) and then there was that seat won by Martin Bell [1], if Blair doesn't handle the present situation he might well also go due to apparent sleaze over the Hutton report. Hatton, Hatton, Hutton - Is there some of a trend appearing ?..... [1] an ex BBC man, there must something about the BBC honesty and reliability. :~) |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... snip Sorry but the '74 mining strike / was / both responsible for the election and caused the result - Heath went to the country and asked the voting public to either back him or sack him in his dealing with the miners strike. Not so. snip drivel Either contest what I say or just FOAD, snipping what you don't want to see is not going change history. So I will say again... If heath did not say he was calling the election due to the miners shrike why did Wilson end his introduction to the Labour parties manifesto for the February election with the following words; quote This Election is not about the miners. They are in the firing line today. The housewife has been in the firing line ever since Mr. Heath was elected. Let us now choose a Government willing to face up to Britain's problems; let us elect a Government of all the people; let us work together. Harold Wilson /quote |
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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message ... In article , Jerry. wrote: Sorry but the '74 mining strike / was / both responsible for the election and caused the result - Heath went to the country and asked the voting public to either back him or sack him in his dealing with the miners strike. That's rather assuming too much. Any number of things could have had the same result - you are assuming the electors took notice of the question and voted purely on that. I think it is safe to say that when people were having their power turned off on a rota and only working 3 days out of 7 it would be high in their minds, but I take your point Dave. |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... "John Rumm" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: Every Tory government since the war has left the country in an economic mess, while Labour have left office with it sound. FACT! Are you in some sort of reality distortion vortex? No, let me know what it is like in there. snip Who are you talking to, certainly not me. Do you mean you are not in there? You were not replying to what I said but to what people previous to I said, you should have replied to their posting and not mine. You were in effect confusing the situation and suggesting (by breaking established reply formats) that I had in fact said those things you were replying to. |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... attributions corrected "IMM" wrote in message ... "John Rumm" wrote in message ... snip Or perhaps a revisionist? Or maybe my memory is playing up, but I could have sworn the IMF had to bail out the Calleghan government as a result of the complete horlicks they made of the economy... 1975, with Wilson, about a year after inheriting Heath's failed economics. I was in the USA and an American was mentioning it in a sneering way. At the time New York was going bankrupt, which I had to reminded him of, and that no British city was anywhere near that. snip Power cuts were under Heath. When power workers and miner went out. Most were earning buttons The government went to the IMF due to the country spending more than the country could afford, some of which was due to escalating public sector wage costs and the subsidisation of that sector of the economy. The IMF, in loaning the money told the UK government what and how they should run the economy, this later caused the problems which ended up in what is now called the 'Winter of discontent'. It doesn't matter which flavour of government is in power, they all have their successes and they have their failures - looking at any government with rose tinted glasses on does no one any favour. Well don't do that then. It is you who is looking through the rose tinted glasses, everyone else seems to be talking about what really happened, be that the Huttom report, the winter of discontent or the '73-4 miners strike. What's your middle name, Stalin, he re-wrote history books as well.... |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Ben Blaney" wrote in message ... John Rumm wrote: Or maybe my memory is playing up, but I could have sworn the IMF had to bail out the Calleghan government as a result of the complete horlicks they made of the economy... There was slightly more to it than you imply. Like Heath screwing it up, Wilson having to borrow money and putting the economy on track for Thatcher to again screw it up. Well in Tory eye it was fine, as the rich became richer and the poor poorer under the Tories, so why should they care about the masses. being devils advocate snip him being devils advocate In other words you can't argue, as you now truth never lies.... |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "John Rumm" wrote in message ... Ben Blaney wrote: Or maybe my memory is playing up, but I could have sworn the IMF had to bail out the Calleghan government as a result of the complete horlicks they made of the economy... There was slightly more to it than you imply. I appreciate that - was just keeping it simple for IMM - complex explanations seem to go straight over his head. ;-) You mean I am not swayed by strange opinions and plain lies....and weirdoes. You obviously have never heard a recording of yourself then, let alone looking at yourself in the bathroom (word added in case IMM think I am referring to the Daily) mirror. :~) |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... snip snip garbage I really am hitting a nerve with you... No. I just snip garbage when I see it. More like the truth you don't like. |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... attributions corrected "IMM" wrote in message ... "John Rumm" wrote in message ... snip Or perhaps a revisionist? Or maybe my memory is playing up, but I could have sworn the IMF had to bail out the Calleghan government as a result of the complete horlicks they made of the economy... 1975, with Wilson, about a year after inheriting Heath's failed economics. I was in the USA and an American was mentioning it in a sneering way. At the time New York was going bankrupt, which I had to reminded him of, and that no British city was anywhere near that. snip Power cuts were under Heath. When power workers and miner went out. Most were earning buttons The government went to the IMF due to the country spending more than the country could afford, some of which was due to escalating public sector wage costs and the subsidisation of that sector of the economy. The IMF, in loaning the money told the UK government what and how they should run the economy, this later caused the problems which ended up in what is now called the 'Winter of discontent'. It doesn't matter which flavour of government is in power, they all have their successes and they have their failures - looking at any government with rose tinted glasses on does no one any favour. Well don't do that then. It is you who is looking through the rose tinted glasses, everyone else seems to be talking about what really happened, be that the Huttom report, the winter of discontent or the '73-4 miners strike. What's your middle name, Stalin, he re-wrote history books as well.... Nah, he behaves more like Arthur Scargill, an un-reformed Stalinist if ever I met one. Cheers Clive |
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"Clive Summerfield" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... snip [ re IMM ] What's your middle name, Stalin, he re-wrote history books as well.... Nah, he behaves more like Arthur Scargill, an un-reformed Stalinist if ever I met one. I don't think he, Arthur Scargill, has never re-written history books though although I suspect he would like to turn back history though !.. |
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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message ... In article , Jerry. wrote: It sound like you think Wilson didn't have the balls to impose the correct policies to get the economy back on track, he had bee in power for at least a year before he went to the IMF - that is after allowing even more money to flow out of the exchequer in the form of high public sector wage setelments. I was in the public sector at that time, and public sector pay rises didn't keep pace with inflation. Of course, it's nice for those who don't work in the public sector to expect those who do to take a *real* cut in their standard of living, through pay freezes etc, to try help contain inflation, but don't expect it to apply to them. AIUI many peoples pay didn't keep pace with inflation, public or private, but those who had the industrial mussel... What would have been the effect if the BBC (?) had been hit by a strike, more babies in nine months time or lost production more or less across the board in the manufacturing sector (as happened due to power cuts etc. in the miners strike) ? I suppose Wilson / Calleghan should have gone to the IMF earlier than they did. As for 'hatcher, she just used the threat of unemployment to fund the public sector.... |
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I don't know where this thread sprung out of but here is my two
pennies worth..... Anyone who has a clue about UK/US weaponry knows full well that Iraq could never have attacked us or it's neighbours without being flattened. Hutton is an arse. If that dossier was not sexed up then I'd like to know how he defines 'sexed up'. To change text so it implied Saddam would use WMD in an offensive rather than defensive capacity is more than sexing up. Much of the 'intelligence' was provided by the INC and other Saddam opposition groups. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to have worked out this may have been false. The US/UK governments knew it was crud but were happy to use anything to help their own agenda. Now in the USA, GW wants an enquiry to find out why American intelligence got it wrong. Spare me the bull, Mr Bush. |
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IMM to English Dictionary (concise edition) snip drivel : This phrase is used by IMM as a universal response. Roughly translated: it means that in the face of irrefutable evidence he has exhausted capability to present any rational challenge, argument, or debate, and instead inserts this response as a way of saying - "I am powerless to respond". Keen IMM spotters should also watch for the "land ownership diversion" (TM). This is another argument tactic that is interjected seemingly at random into unrelated discussions; its purpose is to try to divert the readers attention from the actual topic of discussion, and in particular that fact that due to several previous responses - of growing implausibility - he has created a situation where again he is unable to present any valid response or worthwhile contribution to the discussion. Note that the snip drivel and "land ownership diversion" responses may be used interchangably. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... snip Maxie, I am the world's greatest debater. But not the best at spelling though, you miss spelt the last word - there should have been the letters 'MAS' at the beginning of the last word... My God! Another one. |
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"StealthUK" wrote in message m... I don't know where this thread sprung out of but here is my two pennies worth..... snip. Great report, even the BBC said they have to get it 100% right, not nearly |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "John Rumm" wrote in message ... Dave Plowman wrote: It's all too easy to pick on just one reason why an election is lost - or won. IMHO, it's often because the electorate is simply fed up of *any* government and want a change. After all, the opposition have been telling them for the past few years that they'd make a *much* better job of it. But rarely do... Very true... Lets face it, that was how Tony got in with a slightly warmed over tory manifesto! What balls! The country was ****ed off after 18 years of poverty and deprivation. No, the main reason was sleaze. The country was ****ed off after 18 years of poverty and deprivation. snip drivel |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... snip Sorry but the '74 mining strike / was / both responsible for the election and caused the result - Heath went to the country and asked the voting public to either back him or sack him in his dealing with the miners strike. Not so. snip drivel Either contest what I say or just FOAD, snipping what you don't want to see is not going change history. So I will say again... If heath did not say he was calling the election due to the miners shrike why did Wilson end his introduction to the Labour parties manifesto for the February election with the following words; quote This Election is not about the miners. They are in the firing line today. The housewife has been in the firing line ever since Mr. Heath was elected. Let us now choose a Government willing to face up to Britain's problems; let us elect a Government of all the people; let us work together. Harold Wilson /quote That was spin. Not new. |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... For the benefit of our readers we are proud to present the: IMM to English Dictionary (concise edition) snip drivel : This phrase is used by IMM as a universal response. snip drivel |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... attributions corrected "IMM" wrote in message ... "John Rumm" wrote in message ... snip Or perhaps a revisionist? Or maybe my memory is playing up, but I could have sworn the IMF had to bail out the Calleghan government as a result of the complete horlicks they made of the economy... 1975, with Wilson, about a year after inheriting Heath's failed economics. I was in the USA and an American was mentioning it in a sneering way. At the time New York was going bankrupt, which I had to reminded him of, and that no British city was anywhere near that. snip Power cuts were under Heath. When power workers and miner went out. Most were earning buttons The government went to the IMF due to the country spending more than the country could afford, some of which was due to escalating public sector wage costs and the subsidisation of that sector of the economy. The IMF, in loaning the money told the UK government what and how they should run the economy, this later caused the problems which ended up in what is now called the 'Winter of discontent'. It doesn't matter which flavour of government is in power, they all have their successes and they have their failures - looking at any government with rose tinted glasses on does no one any favour. Well don't do that then. It is you who is looking through the rose tinted glasses, everyone else seems to be talking about what really happened, be that the Huttom report, the winter of discontent or the '73-4 miners strike. Are you onto the 1926 strike yet? |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Ben Blaney" wrote in message ... John Rumm wrote: Or maybe my memory is playing up, but I could have sworn the IMF had to bail out the Calleghan government as a result of the complete horlicks they made of the economy... There was slightly more to it than you imply. Like Heath screwing it up, Wilson having to borrow money and putting the economy on track for Thatcher to again screw it up. Well in Tory eye it was fine, as the rich became richer and the poor poorer under the Tories, so why should they care about the masses. being devils advocate snip him being devils advocate In other words you can't argue, as you now truth never lies.... Great report. |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... "Dave Plowman" wrote in message ... In article , Jerry. wrote: It sound like you think Wilson didn't have the balls to impose the correct policies to get the economy back on track, he had bee in power for at least a year before he went to the IMF - that is after allowing even more money to flow out of the exchequer in the form of high public sector wage setelments. I was in the public sector at that time, and public sector pay rises didn't keep pace with inflation. Of course, it's nice for those who don't work in the public sector to expect those who do to take a *real* cut in their standard of living, through pay freezes etc, to try help contain inflation, but don't expect it to apply to them. AIUI many peoples pay didn't keep pace with inflation, public or private, but those who had the industrial mussel... What would have been the effect if the BBC (?) had been hit by a strike, more babies in nine months time or lost production more or less across the board in the manufacturing sector (as happened due to power cuts etc. in the miners strike) ? I suppose Wilson / Calleghan should have gone to the IMF earlier than they did. As for 'hatcher, she just used the threat of unemployment to fund the public sector.... She never. When she came to power soon after North sea oil came on line. She squandered it paying the unemployed who suffered by her strange economics. |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... snip snip garbage I really am hitting a nerve with you... No. I just snip garbage when I see it. More like the truth you don't like. Great report. very truthful. |
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 23:23:58 +0000, John Rumm
wrote: For the benefit of our readers we are proud to present the: IMM to English Dictionary (concise edition) You forgot the constant reference to the Vicar of Dibley, a TV program to which he seems besotted, and which he firmly believes a number of our active forum community are role players within. PoP Sending email to my published email address isn't guaranteed to reach me. |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... "Clive Summerfield" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... snip [ re IMM ] What's your middle name, Stalin, he re-wrote history books as well.... Nah, he behaves more like Arthur Scargill, an un-reformed Stalinist if ever I met one. I don't think he, Arthur Scargill, has never re-written history books though although I suspect he would like to turn back history though !.. Well, he may not have rewritten any history books, but he certainly used to play fast and loose with his personal history. I've heard at least 3 different stories from him explaining his departure from the Communist Party. Interesting person, if a little odd and very out-of-touch. Cheers Clive |
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geoff wrote:
And it looks like Bush has abandoned his lapdog. There's going to be an inquiry into the reasons for going to war (Bush's only way out with elections coming up). This will leave Bliar alone, isolated and up **** creek if the results aren't sympathetic Oh dear. I do feel awful....:-) |
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