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Hello All,

This is my first post and request for help although I have been
reading the group for about a week with much interest. I only wished I
had come across this treasure chest of information before.. would have
saved so much time and aggro!

We have just completed an extension with a small toilet. Our builder
fitted the toilet and sink. The toilet is at a funny position relative
to the soil pipe. i.e. soil pipe in the ground and the toilet has a
wall exit. Please see pictures to see what I mean:

http://www.aq.eclipse.co.uk/Ebay/Pic...ex%20pipe1.jpg

a href="http://www.aq.eclipse.co.uk/Ebay/Pictures/toilet%20flex%20pipe1.jpg"PIC
1/a


and


http://www.aq.eclipse.co.uk/Ebay/Pic...20pipe%202.jpg

a href="http://www.aq.eclipse.co.uk/Ebay/Pictures/toilet%20flex%20pipe%202.jpgPIC
2/a


As you can see the flexible pipe has disintegrated even though the
toilet has not even been used! This is the second one and with the
same result. It is covered up right now to stop the back draught
coming in and fouling up the entire extension.

There is a right angle connector connected to the WC and the flexible
connector goes into that and then finally into the soil pipe

Can anyone please offer ideas on why this may have happened and other
solutions to this problem.

I can only think that the pipe is flexing too much (although this
disintegrating is happening on parts where the pipe is not under any
flexing pressure) and the only other way would be some sort of solvent
based soil pipe combination.

Both the flexible connectors were bought from Wickes so if anyone has
used these please let me know if yours was a complete success and
still intact! (Don?t intend to give you sleepless nights of worry).

We cannot get in touch with our builder right now and was just
wondering what is need so that I could try doing it.

I have used an offset connector for our bathroom and that has been
very solid for the past 2 years.

Any help would be appreciated and very welcome.

Thanks in Advance

Quddus
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Quddus wrote:

As you can see the flexible pipe has disintegrated even though the
toilet has not even been used! This is the second one and with the
same result. It is covered up right now to stop the back draught
coming in and fouling up the entire extension.


How long has it been in place?

I don't think the cause is mechanical - that would cause a split. The
plastic seems to have as you say disintegrated. I'd say this is caused
by exposure to a chemical which dissolved the plastic, or to lots of
sunlight.

Either of these things true/possible?


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Grunff wrote:
Quddus wrote:

As you can see the flexible pipe has disintegrated even though the
toilet has not even been used! This is the second one and with the
same result. It is covered up right now to stop the back draught
coming in and fouling up the entire extension.


How long has it been in place?

I don't think the cause is mechanical - that would cause a split. The
plastic seems to have as you say disintegrated. I'd say this is caused
by exposure to a chemical which dissolved the plastic, or to lots of
sunlight.

Either of these things true/possible?


I would aggree with either of those coupled with the fact that the top bend
in the flex looks very tight..
What a horrible bodge!


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Quddus wrote:
Hello All,

This is my first post and request for help although I have been
reading the group for about a week with much interest. I only wished I
had come across this treasure chest of information before.. would have
saved so much time and aggro!

We have just completed an extension with a small toilet. Our builder
fitted the toilet and sink. The toilet is at a funny position relative
to the soil pipe. i.e. soil pipe in the ground and the toilet has a
wall exit. Please see pictures to see what I mean:


What a horrible problem. Out of interest how did the pipe end up there ?

It still looks feasible, though not easy, to plumb it with standard
fittings and rigid pipes.

Personnally, I would be inclined to site the loo on a plinth, to hide
the pipes, and bend 'em out of the way. I don't think you have room though.

Steve

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Hello All,

This is my first post and request for help although I have been
reading the group for about a week with much interest. I only wished I
had come across this treasure chest of information before.. would have
saved so much time and aggro!

We have just completed an extension with a small toilet. Our builder
fitted the toilet and sink. The toilet is at a funny position relative
to the soil pipe. i.e. soil pipe in the ground and the toilet has a
wall exit. Please see pictures to see what I mean:

http://www.aq.eclipse.co.uk/Ebay/Pic...ex%20pipe1.jpg

a

href="http://www.aq.eclipse.co.uk/Ebay/Pictures/toilet%20flex%20pipe1.jpg"P
IC
1/a


and


http://www.aq.eclipse.co.uk/Ebay/Pic...20pipe%202.jpg

a

href="http://www.aq.eclipse.co.uk/Ebay/Pictures/toilet%20flex%20pipe%202.jpg
PIC
2/a


As you can see the flexible pipe has disintegrated even though the
toilet has not even been used! This is the second one and with the
same result. It is covered up right now to stop the back draught
coming in and fouling up the entire extension.

There is a right angle connector connected to the WC and the flexible
connector goes into that and then finally into the soil pipe

Can anyone please offer ideas on why this may have happened and other
solutions to this problem.

I can only think that the pipe is flexing too much (although this
disintegrating is happening on parts where the pipe is not under any
flexing pressure) and the only other way would be some sort of solvent
based soil pipe combination.

Both the flexible connectors were bought from Wickes so if anyone has
used these please let me know if yours was a complete success and
still intact! (Don?t intend to give you sleepless nights of worry).

We cannot get in touch with our builder right now and was just
wondering what is need so that I could try doing it.

I have used an offset connector for our bathroom and that has been
very solid for the past 2 years.

Any help would be appreciated and very welcome.

Thanks in Advance

Quddus

I've used the Wickes flex connectors a few times. Never seen a failure like
that. I wonder whether the bend at the top was tight, and the "fitter"
played his blowtorch over it in an attempt to make it more flexible. Ending
up with it being a little too flexible and over ventilated.

There different varieties of flexibles available that are longer and more
flexible than the wickes one. Rather like a scaled up version of the ribbed
bit on a bendy straw. You bend it and it clicks and stays in shape. It may
be possible to make this connection from the pan to the floor with one
connector direct from the pan to the floor.




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This is my first post and request for help although I have been

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Any help would be appreciated and very welcome.

Thanks in Advance

Quddus


Good god !!! What so called builders and plumbers are you using ? I'd like
to know so I can steer clear of them. The only solution I can think of, and
that would work perfectly, is for your current plumber to bugger off and let
a proper plumber in to do the job for you.

Get hold of 3 X 110mm rigid 90 degree bends, the grey soil pipe stuff, and
do this job correctly. Or better still. Dig out the soil pipe in the floor
and fit two bends to the top of it and take it right in to the wall at an
angle so the opening sits directly under the bowl outlet. Then all that is
needed is a extended 90 degree pan connector down from the bowl itself.

These pictures are now in the archive of "How not to do it".


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There is no way that any direct sunlight could have done this. The
chemical culprit may be possible as it was used as a temporary
drainage for a kitchen sink for a about 3 weeks. this would have
included your usual household bleach and cleaner and white spirit an
other cooking oils (lots of it!) This is what I thought initially and
therefore decided to flush the stuff out and use a new one as you can
see the second one didn't last any longer.

Do you think the acidic/caustic stuff may still be threre and heance
needs a much stronger/ longer flushing out?

I could try this but another 8 this is gonna cost me 24 with no
peace of mind so I'm more inclined to getting it done with something
more robust.

The soil pipe was there from a previous outside loo that we had. Never
saw it but the foundation and walls were there. The soil pipe drains
out ok to the main sewage outlet that connects all the houses on our
street. Dont ask me any more about that unpleasant affair please!


BILIP

you mention other connectors ones that click and bend rather than
strain and bend any idea where to get this from?
I will try the plumbers merchant tommorrow as the major stores do not
have anything apart from the wickes type.

Steve

I cannot move the toilet around right now as it's all fitted. Putting
it on a plinth would require a lot more work. What do you think of two
right angle solvent joints and the final one being a flexible pipe?

Thank God the toilet has not been used yet. That would have been the
worst possible outcome!!!


Any more suggestions guys?
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Hello All,

This is my first post and request for help although I have been

snipped
Any help would be appreciated and very welcome.

Thanks in Advance

Quddus


Good god !!! What so called builders and plumbers are you using ? I'd like
to know so I can steer clear of them. The only solution I can think of, and
that would work perfectly, is for your current plumber to bugger off and let
a proper plumber in to do the job for you.


This guy was an "all in one" I evetually replaced the copper pipes he
put in to the sink as he connected the joints with these big ugly push
fit joints.
He was the type that did'nt seem to listen to how you wanted things
done and got upset when I suggested a different method. As it was my
dads house and he was dealing with him most of the time I didn't want
to poke me nose in too much and upset him.

Get hold of 3 X 110mm rigid 90 degree bends, the grey soil pipe stuff, and
do this job correctly. Or better still. Dig out the soil pipe in the floor
and fit two bends to the top of it and take it right in to the wall at an
angle so the opening sits directly under the bowl outlet. Then all that is
needed is a extended 90 degree pan connector down from the bowl itself.

These pictures are now in the archive of "How not to do it".

Do you think it would be best to solvent weld them or the rubber ring
seal type would work ok?

Thanks for all your help. Good job the toilet has not been used yet!!




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Quddus wrote:
There is no way that any direct sunlight could have done this. The
chemical culprit may be possible as it was used as a temporary
drainage for a kitchen sink for a about 3 weeks. this would have
included your usual household bleach and cleaner and white spirit


Since when is it ok to flush white spirit down the kitchen drain?!?

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I hope I'm not the harbinger of doom, but a mate of mine had a
similarly damaged flexible pipe. The plumber replaced it and within
the month it was in the same state. My mate had heard scuffling
whilst he was 'seated', (so to speak), and it turned out to be rats
that were chewing the pipe, (presumably as nesting material).
...... Sorry!
Oh, the good news was that bringing in a pest controller and replacing
the pipework with solid stuff seemed to cure the problem.
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"Quddus" wrote in message
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Hello All,

This is my first post and request for help although I have been

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Any help would be appreciated and very welcome.

Thanks in Advance

Quddus


Good god !!! What so called builders and plumbers are you using ? I'd

like
to know so I can steer clear of them. The only solution I can think of,

and
that would work perfectly, is for your current plumber to bugger off and

let
a proper plumber in to do the job for you.


This guy was an "all in one" I evetually replaced the copper pipes he
put in to the sink as he connected the joints with these big ugly push
fit joints.
He was the type that did'nt seem to listen to how you wanted things
done and got upset when I suggested a different method. As it was my
dads house and he was dealing with him most of the time I didn't want
to poke me nose in too much and upset him.

Get hold of 3 X 110mm rigid 90 degree bends, the grey soil pipe stuff,

and
do this job correctly. Or better still. Dig out the soil pipe in the

floor
and fit two bends to the top of it and take it right in to the wall at

an
angle so the opening sits directly under the bowl outlet. Then all that

is
needed is a extended 90 degree pan connector down from the bowl itself.

These pictures are now in the archive of "How not to do it".

Do you think it would be best to solvent weld them or the rubber ring
seal type would work ok?

Thanks for all your help. Good job the toilet has not been used yet!!


If you can get these: http://www.fascias.com/media/tn_90degreebendg_jpg.gif

and use them back to front, so to speak, they will be a lot better than what
you have. The reason I say back to front is, from the pictures you gave,
the outlet in the floor doesn't have a spigot end on it but, if you get the
bend they do. So fitting the new bends over the existing outlet and working
back from there to the pan, the pan connector has enough shrinkage in the
rubber fins to fit inside a plain pipe without the spigot. I know what I
mean, but you might have to read this through a couple of times to get the
jist'. :-))


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