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Corbyn must be ~50 years out of date.
On 23/07/2016 11:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , alan_m wrote: On 22/07/2016 12:38, John Rumm wrote: Can you imaging ordering your GPO "internet" facility, and having to wait six months for an engineer to come out and install your GPO branded dial up modem, which you rent from them at £4/month extra. Oh, and you can't have it near the computer, you will need to move that to the hall! And not being able to even connect any modern technology* to the phone line without themselves approving it first. Anyone want to buy an up-to-date 14.4k modem? We will get around to approving 28.8k modems some time in the next few years.? Absolutely. Just like the BBC starting TV in black and white with mono sound rather than in colour and stereo. And insisting we used tiny CRT TVs rather than widescreen LCD. Why indeed did they ever use analogue when everyone knows now that digital is the way to go? But the BBC didn't *force* viewers to buy or rent their TVs from the BBC, did they ?. |
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On 23/07/2016 14:55, John Rumm wrote:
No, but in spite of its many problems it is still a world class telecomms company, and has advanced unrecognisably from its GPO roots. But sadly, it has built its new TCPIP-based phone system around Chinese spying technology. |
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Corbyn must be ~50 years out of date.
On 23/07/2016 11:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , alan_m wrote: On 22/07/2016 12:38, John Rumm wrote: Can you imaging ordering your GPO "internet" facility, and having to wait six months for an engineer to come out and install your GPO branded dial up modem, which you rent from them at £4/month extra. Oh, and you can't have it near the computer, you will need to move that to the hall! And not being able to even connect any modern technology* to the phone line without themselves approving it first. Anyone want to buy an up-to-date 14.4k modem? We will get around to approving 28.8k modems some time in the next few years.? Absolutely. Just like the BBC starting TV in black and white with mono sound rather than in colour and stereo. And insisting we used tiny CRT TVs rather than widescreen LCD. Why indeed did they ever use analogue when everyone knows now that digital is the way to go? The BBC didn't try to stop anyone using anything they wanted to receive their broadcasts. If the old GPO/BT rules/regulations still existed we would still have to use the old B/W mono analogue system because the wide-screen LCD colour TVs would take another two years to be approved for connection. I recall that even phone extension leads had to be approved before connecting to the phone network. However, rules/regulations were designed to be broken, by both retailers and customers. -- mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 23/07/16 23:09, Andrew wrote:
On 22/07/2016 13:14, NY wrote: The other sure-fire way of killing any industry is to split it into lots of separate business centres which charge each other money to do business with each other, and expend money and time in keeping track of these costs, Really ?. Apple, Google, Amazon, Ebay and Starbucks have been doing this for years. How else are you going to ensure that the work is done where the market is, but the profits are taken where the tax is lowest? -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage." |
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On 23/07/16 23:11, Andrew wrote:
On 23/07/2016 11:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , alan_m wrote: On 22/07/2016 12:38, John Rumm wrote: Can you imaging ordering your GPO "internet" facility, and having to wait six months for an engineer to come out and install your GPO branded dial up modem, which you rent from them at £4/month extra. Oh, and you can't have it near the computer, you will need to move that to the hall! And not being able to even connect any modern technology* to the phone line without themselves approving it first. Anyone want to buy an up-to-date 14.4k modem? We will get around to approving 28.8k modems some time in the next few years.? Absolutely. Just like the BBC starting TV in black and white with mono sound rather than in colour and stereo. And insisting we used tiny CRT TVs rather than widescreen LCD. Why indeed did they ever use analogue when everyone knows now that digital is the way to go? But the BBC didn't *force* viewers to buy or rent their TVs from the BBC, did they ?. They would have done, if they could. -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage." |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/07/16 23:11, Andrew wrote: On 23/07/2016 11:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , alan_m wrote: On 22/07/2016 12:38, John Rumm wrote: Can you imaging ordering your GPO "internet" facility, and having to wait six months for an engineer to come out and install your GPO branded dial up modem, which you rent from them at £4/month extra. Oh, and you can't have it near the computer, you will need to move that to the hall! And not being able to even connect any modern technology* to the phone line without themselves approving it first. Anyone want to buy an up-to-date 14.4k modem? We will get around to approving 28.8k modems some time in the next few years.? Absolutely. Just like the BBC starting TV in black and white with mono sound rather than in colour and stereo. And insisting we used tiny CRT TVs rather than widescreen LCD. Why indeed did they ever use analogue when everyone knows now that digital is the way to go? But the BBC didn't *force* viewers to buy or rent their TVs from the BBC, did they ?. They would have done, if they could. Why should they have needed to. Listeners equipemnt was not directly connected to the BBC's equipment. - -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Huge wrote: And as soon as you start having internal charging, you discover that a significant part of the work of the company is done undocumented on a "best effort" basis that no-one knew about. This is particularly "amusing" when you outsource that function and either that work no longer gets done, or the outsourcer starts to charge for it. That was a famous bit about the BBC record library. It cost more to hire an LP from them than it cost to buy - assuming still current. So some producers sent an assistant out to buy the record instead. But I'll bet didn't include how much sending that person cost. During my first job, one of the engineers decided that it cost more in his time to sharpen a pencil, than throwing it away and getting a new one from the stationary cupboard I don't think anybody was under any illusions that this was economically the best thing to do, but it was funny anyway tim |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In articlegZSdnSN2_8729w7KnZ2dnUU78KnNnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk, John wrote: Absolutely. Just like the BBC starting TV in black and white with mono sound rather than in colour and stereo. And insisting we used tiny CRT TVs rather than widescreen LCD. Why indeed did they ever use analogue when everyone knows now that digital is the way to go? So you are suggesting that our memories of GPO Telecoms must be distorted, it was in fact a modern dynamic company with the customer's interests first and foremost, and a keen eye on deploying cutting edge technology as soon as it became available? I am suggesting some of that, yes. Do some research on System X. Digital transmission systems in conjunction with the BBC. And so on. I don't like monopolies, so competition was obviously needed. Just how the old GPO would have adapted to that can only be conjecture. The PO side of it did pretty well. But of course had to be sold off as anything in public ownership is *a bad thing*. Except, of course, the police. Armed forces. And anything which was in private hands but failed. Need some names of those? However, are you really saying our present telephone etc system is perfect? The GPO had a small TDM exchange operating in 1962. Mixed analog, didital. One of the cleverest designs I've ever seen. Still in limited use up to around 1990. |
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Rod Speed wrote: Pretty standard for many UK industries at that time both state and private. Take the maximum you possibly can out of them. That is a bare faced lie with the most successful private ones. Go back to the time when the GPO existed. And list all UK industries then. Now see how many still exist. You'd be hard pressed to find any consumer goods made in the UK these days. Unlike Germany. -- *When companies ship Styrofoam, what do they pack it in? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Andrew wrote: And not being able to even connect any modern technology* to the phone line without themselves approving it first. Anyone want to buy an up-to-date 14.4k modem? We will get around to approving 28.8k modems some time in the next few years.? Absolutely. Just like the BBC starting TV in black and white with mono sound rather than in colour and stereo. And insisting we used tiny CRT TVs rather than widescreen LCD. Why indeed did they ever use analogue when everyone knows now that digital is the way to go? But the BBC didn't *force* viewers to buy or rent their TVs from the BBC, did they ?. Good to know things still go totally over your head. -- He who laughs last, thinks slowest* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , tim...
wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Huge wrote: And as soon as you start having internal charging, you discover that a significant part of the work of the company is done undocumented on a "best effort" basis that no-one knew about. This is particularly "amusing" when you outsource that function and either that work no longer gets done, or the outsourcer starts to charge for it. That was a famous bit about the BBC record library. It cost more to hire an LP from them than it cost to buy - assuming still current. So some producers sent an assistant out to buy the record instead. But I'll bet didn't include how much sending that person cost. During my first job, one of the engineers decided that it cost more in his time to sharpen a pencil, than throwing it away and getting a new one from the stationary cupboard I don't think anybody was under any illusions that this was economically the best thing to do, but it was funny anyway the other pencil story was when some company decided that people were using too many pencils and you would only get a new one on presntation of a stub. Suddenly pencil use increased enormously - everybody cut up their newly issued pencil into small pieces nad then acquired 6 or 7 new ones. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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alan_m wrote: Absolutely. Just like the BBC starting TV in black and white with mono sound rather than in colour and stereo. And insisting we used tiny CRT TVs rather than widescreen LCD. Why indeed did they ever use analogue when everyone knows now that digital is the way to go? The BBC didn't try to stop anyone using anything they wanted to receive their broadcasts. Thanks for missing the point. If the old GPO/BT rules/regulations still existed we would still have to use the old B/W mono analogue system because the wide-screen LCD colour TVs would take another two years to be approved for connection. I recall that even phone extension leads had to be approved before connecting to the phone network. However, rules/regulations were designed to be broken, by both retailers and customers. If you think it reasonable to be so sure a state owned industry never changes, does that apply to the NHS? Does that stick with technology from 40 years ago? How come so many state owned companies from other countries now run parts of our railway and utilities, etc? -- *Out of my mind. Back in five minutes. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote Dave Plowman (News) wrote Pretty standard for many UK industries at that time both state and private. Take the maximum you possibly can out of them. That is a bare faced lie with the most successful private ones. Go back to the time when the GPO existed. And list all UK industries then. Now see how many still exist. Nothing to do with taking the maximum possible out, everything to do with the union riddled operations not being even remotely competitive with Korea, Japan, China, India etc etc etc. You'd be hard pressed to find any consumer goods made in the UK these days. For the reason I listed. Unlike Germany. How odd that British aircraft engine industry leaves the kraut operations for dead. Same with Airbus components. British car manufacturing was always a steaming turd compared with what the krauts had, nothing to do with taking the maximum possible out of the operation. Everything to do with you lot not having a ****ing clue about how to design and make cars. |
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tim... wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Huge wrote: And as soon as you start having internal charging, you discover that a significant part of the work of the company is done undocumented on a "best effort" basis that no-one knew about. This is particularly "amusing" when you outsource that function and either that work no longer gets done, or the outsourcer starts to charge for it. That was a famous bit about the BBC record library. It cost more to hire an LP from them than it cost to buy - assuming still current. So some producers sent an assistant out to buy the record instead. But I'll bet didn't include how much sending that person cost. During my first job, one of the engineers decided that it cost more in his time to sharpen a pencil, than throwing it away and getting a new one from the stationary cupboard At least he wouldn't have had to run around looking for the cubboard! I don't think anybody was under any illusions that this was economically the best thing to do, but it was funny anyway tim -- Roger Hayter |
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Rod Speed wrote: Go back to the time when the GPO existed. And list all UK industries then. Now see how many still exist. Nothing to do with taking the maximum possible out, everything to do with the union riddled operations not being even remotely competitive with Korea, Japan, China, India etc etc etc. Ah. Right. Back on to your favourite hobby horse. Explain Germany, then. Of course the likes of you would be positively delighted to see the UK have the same sort of working conditions as the worst in India. Now try seeing how that would go down in your little country. -- *How do you tell when you run out of invisible ink? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote Dave Plowman (News) wrote Go back to the time when the GPO existed. And list all UK industries then. Now see how many still exist. Nothing to do with taking the maximum possible out, everything to do with the union riddled operations not being even remotely competitive with Korea, Japan, China, India etc etc etc. Ah. Right. Back on to your favourite hobby horse. Explain Germany, then. Germany has never actually been stupid enough to have anything like the terminal ****wit unions you lot have had. When Nissan set up in Britain, it was never actually stupid enough to employ anyone who had ever 'worked' in any of the car plants that your ****wit unions had driven into the ground. Of course the likes of you would be positively delighted to see the UK have the same sort of working conditions as the worst in India. More of your flagrant dishonesty. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote Dave Plowman (News) wrote Rod Speed wrote Your ****wit unions are only happy if they get paid far too much. Yes Wodney. You've already made it plain the way forward for the UK is to have workers paid the same as in third world countries so it can compete. Never ever said anything even remotely like that, you silly little pathological liar. You've just said the reasons for a union is for workers to be paid far too much. Everyone can see for themselves that I never ever said anything even remotely like that, you silly little pathological liar. If I'm mistaken, please explain. You originally made a spectacular fool of yourself when you stupidly claimed that what keeps the workforce happy is the investment in productivity improvement. In fact you terminal ****wit unions in your car industry have always vehemently oppose the use of robots and other dramatic productivity improvements, What ACTUALLY keeps them happy is paying them a lot more than they are worth. Not just in the car industry either. Some of the tube operations were designed right from the start to be completely automatic and only need someone there to deal with equipment breakdowns and very unusual events like some arsehole setting off a bomb etc. And yet management is actually stupid enough to actually have some monkey drive the ****ing train in person all the time and pay them in excess of £55K a year for what should just be a machine minder who just twiddles his thumbs until something stops working. |
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