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The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide
smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. -- AnthonyL |
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On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 18:51:00 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 17:34:53 GMT, lid (AnthonyL) wrote: The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. Aluminium? My late mother's loft ladder is aluminium. Installed 56 years ago. It became very stiff to operate. I tried silicone; made no difference. PTFE spray; no difference; 3-in-1 spray, glides better that I've ever known it. Oil the sliding surfaces, and the hinges at the top. The only disadvantage is that being aluminium, the sliding surfaces eventually produce a sort of black paste that gets on your hands and anything that comes into contact with it when maneuvering items up into the loft. Needs regular wiping to keep it clean. Yes aluminium with some sort of black plastic block between the two sliding sections. I do wonder if it is part by design to stop the bottom section crashing down once the catch is released. It all must be very fine tolerances as I can't see anything that should cause binding. I might just try some WD40 before taking on your suggestion, or graphite as suggested by Chris. -- AnthonyL |
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AnthonyL wrote:
The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. Try using some Vaseline where it sticks. And, I'm not being funny. |
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On 02/04/16 18:34, AnthonyL wrote:
The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galling Just idly found the above on google, so could be irrelevant... Or, could also be galvanic corrosion between steel and aluminium. A friend had a particular struggle with that on the aluminium seat post stuck on his steel bicycle frame. Freed using some ammonia, though that also corrodes aluminium. -- Adrian C |
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"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
... AnthonyL wrote: The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. Try using some Vaseline where it sticks. And, I'm not being funny. Never thought you were - but I always suspected that your were a bit queer. -- Adam |
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ARW wrote:
"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... AnthonyL wrote: The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. Try using some Vaseline where it sticks. And, I'm not being funny. Never thought you were - but I always suspected that your were a bit queer. I knew somebody would take the bait. I've lost count of how many girlfriends I've had. Can you say the same? |
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"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
... ARW wrote: "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... AnthonyL wrote: The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. Try using some Vaseline where it sticks. And, I'm not being funny. Never thought you were - but I always suspected that your were a bit queer. I knew somebody would take the bait. I've lost count of how many girlfriends I've had. Can you say the same? Mrs Palmer and her five daughters is the best you get. And I am not being funny. -- Adam |
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ARW wrote:
"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... ARW wrote: "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... AnthonyL wrote: The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. Try using some Vaseline where it sticks. And, I'm not being funny. Never thought you were - but I always suspected that your were a bit queer. I knew somebody would take the bait. I've lost count of how many girlfriends I've had. Can you say the same? Mrs Palmer and her five daughters is the best you get. And I am not being funny. Cute.............. very pikey. But you did not answer my question. |
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On 02/04/2016 20:58, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
ARW wrote: "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... ARW wrote: "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... AnthonyL wrote: The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. Try using some Vaseline where it sticks. And, I'm not being funny. Never thought you were - but I always suspected that your were a bit queer. I knew somebody would take the bait. I've lost count of how many girlfriends I've had. Can you say the same? Mrs Palmer and her five daughters is the best you get. And I am not being funny. Cute.............. very pikey. But you did not answer my question. I suspect he can count and wouldn't want to show you up even more. |
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Are you sure there is no dust and dirt in the runners? Its always dirty in
lofts. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "AnthonyL" wrote in message ... The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. -- AnthonyL |
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On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 21:30:04 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: Are you sure there is no dust and dirt in the runners? Its always dirty in lofts. I took the ladder outside and steam cleaned it (one of those household handheld units). But it wasn't particularly dirty and is pretty clean and the binding is quite firm. The loft has been boarded and is not dirty though obviously there will be bits of crud. I wish I could take the two bits apart but can't see how, and the locking pin mechanism is rivetted in which makes it awkward if I wanted to get that out. -- AnthonyL |
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Fredxxx wrote:
On 02/04/2016 20:58, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: ARW wrote: "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... ARW wrote: "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... AnthonyL wrote: The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. Try using some Vaseline where it sticks. And, I'm not being funny. Never thought you were - but I always suspected that your were a bit queer. I knew somebody would take the bait. I've lost count of how many girlfriends I've had. Can you say the same? Mrs Palmer and her five daughters is the best you get. And I am not being funny. Cute.............. very pikey. But you did not answer my question. I suspect he can count and wouldn't want to show you up even more. He lives in a ******** council house in Yorkshire. Do you know where Yorkshire is? Been there have you??? This is the bully that has assaulted apprentices. This is the bully that has been cautioned by the police. He probably has convictions. This is the big tough guy that caused a live in girlfriend to walk out on him and turn the gas on the cooker. She was hoping to blow him up. He is not a nice person. |
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"Fredxxx" wrote in message
... On 02/04/2016 20:58, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: ARW wrote: "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... ARW wrote: "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... AnthonyL wrote: The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. Try using some Vaseline where it sticks. And, I'm not being funny. Never thought you were - but I always suspected that your were a bit queer. I knew somebody would take the bait. I've lost count of how many girlfriends I've had. Can you say the same? Mrs Palmer and her five daughters is the best you get. And I am not being funny. Cute.............. very pikey. But you did not answer my question. I suspect he can count and wouldn't want to show you up even more. Pounder can count up to 12 - then he runs out of fingers. -- Adam |
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"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... Fredxxx wrote: On 02/04/2016 20:58, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: ARW wrote: "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... ARW wrote: "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... AnthonyL wrote: The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. Try using some Vaseline where it sticks. And, I'm not being funny. Never thought you were - but I always suspected that your were a bit queer. I knew somebody would take the bait. I've lost count of how many girlfriends I've had. Can you say the same? Mrs Palmer and her five daughters is the best you get. And I am not being funny. Cute.............. very pikey. But you did not answer my question. I suspect he can count and wouldn't want to show you up even more. He lives in a ******** council house in Yorkshire. Do you know where Yorkshire is? Been there have you??? This is the bully that has assaulted apprentices. This is the bully that has been cautioned by the police. He probably has convictions. This is the big tough guy that caused a live in girlfriend to walk out on him and turn the gas on the cooker. She was hoping to blow him up. He is not a nice person. Bet he has ****ed a lot more than you ever have. |
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On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 21:47:52 +0100, ARW wrote:
I suspect he can count and wouldn't want to show you up even more. Pounder can count up to 12 - then he runs out of fingers. On one hand, but if he tried to use the other hand he'd fall over. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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On 02/04/2016 19:25, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Try using some Vaseline where it sticks. And, I'm not being funny. nah talc is best |
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On 02/04/2016 18:34, AnthonyL wrote:
The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. Just to add to the many suggestions - lithium grease. -- Cheers, Rob |
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On 4/2/2016 7:36 PM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 02/04/16 18:34, AnthonyL wrote: The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galling Just idly found the above on google, so could be irrelevant... Or, could also be galvanic corrosion between steel and aluminium. A friend had a particular struggle with that on the aluminium seat post stuck on his steel bicycle frame. Freed using some ammonia, though that also corrodes aluminium. The Wiki link is not a bad article. Galvanic corrosion tends to show up where clearances are very small and the environment is wet, so that bicycle case is an ideal example. But there's much more clearance in a ladder, and it is dry, and it is not likely to be steel on aluminium. In the ladder, you probably have aluminium sliding on itself. Buildup of dirt, wear debris, corrosion products, or galling type damage might reduce the clearance. I would say the best option would be something containing mineral oil, so WD40, vaseline, or lithium grease would all meet the requirement. *Personally* I would go for something in the WD40 family. If it turns out that there are plastic "bearings" between the two metal parts then silicone or PTFE spray might be better. PTFE sprays might or might not work well if you have metal to metal rubbing. It's certainly potentially cleaner. I've heard good reports of the "WD40" PTFE spray and recently bought a can, but have not tried it yet. The problem with graphite is getting it to stick to the right places without using a large amount, and creating a lot of mess. Lock geometries are much more favourable. *If* you can actually identify the binding points, you might try a Moly Disulphide spray or grease. |
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newshound wrote:
I've heard good reports of the "WD40" PTFE spray and recently bought a can, but have not tried it yet. Seems to be working well so far on uPVC multi-point locking, but don't get it on your hands ... it stinks like a mouldy old flannel. |
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On Sunday, 3 April 2016 21:35:21 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 4/2/2016 7:36 PM, Adrian Caspersz wrote: On 02/04/16 18:34, AnthonyL wrote: The bottom section of my 3 section loft ladder does not slide smoothly. The middle section slides up against the fixed section a treat but the bottom section seems to have two or three points where it binds and I can't work out why or how to fix it. I've tried some silicone spray but the runners are clean anyway. The ladder is a Youngman New Easyway (sticker says manufactured Week 23/00) similar to http://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/vie...siway/31334000 But mine is 100Kg limit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galling Just idly found the above on google, so could be irrelevant... Or, could also be galvanic corrosion between steel and aluminium. A friend had a particular struggle with that on the aluminium seat post stuck on his steel bicycle frame. Freed using some ammonia, though that also corrodes aluminium. The Wiki link is not a bad article. Galvanic corrosion tends to show up where clearances are very small and the environment is wet, so that bicycle case is an ideal example. But there's much more clearance in a ladder, and it is dry, and it is not likely to be steel on aluminium. In the ladder, you probably have aluminium sliding on itself. Buildup of dirt, wear debris, corrosion products, or galling type damage might reduce the clearance. I would say the best option would be something containing mineral oil, so WD40, vaseline, or lithium grease would all meet the requirement. *Personally* I would go for something in the WD40 family. If it turns out that there are plastic "bearings" between the two metal parts then silicone or PTFE spray might be better. PTFE sprays might or might not work well if you have metal to metal rubbing. It's certainly potentially cleaner. I've heard good reports of the "WD40" PTFE spray and recently bought a can, but have not tried it yet. |
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replying to ARW, philip Lane wrote:
My dad has a very old alum loft ladder. _*Worse*_ thing we ever did was to use Molyslip grease on it! The graphite dries out and is black and gets into all the grooves, clothes and hands and takes many goes with Polyclens,rags and brush to clean it off. WD40 works magic for a while then runs down ladder on to carpet!! And then dries sticky. After a proper clean try cold candle rub or a FEW drops of 3in1 oil. If you overdo it you will regret it. We have sea air here now that corrodes the metal quickly. Ladder is in use most days however. That pays off but the wax helps.Tip: any work on ladder put a sheet down first or better still taken ladder off (we can, easily) and take into garden on a nice sunny warmish day. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...r-1120284-.htm |
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On Sunday, 10 February 2019 22:14:05 UTC, philip Lane wrote:
replying to ARW, philip Lane wrote: My dad has a very old alum loft ladder. _*Worse*_ thing we ever did was to use Molyslip grease on it! The graphite dries out and is black and gets into all the grooves, clothes and hands and takes many goes with Polyclens,rags and brush to clean it off. WD40 works magic for a while then runs down ladder on to carpet!! And then dries sticky. After a proper clean try cold candle rub or a FEW drops of 3in1 oil. If you overdo it you will regret it. We have sea air here now that corrodes the metal quickly. Ladder is in use most days however. That pays off but the wax helps.Tip: any work on ladder put a sheet down first or better still taken ladder off (we can, easily) and take into garden on a nice sunny warmish day. Useful to know. A lot of people have that website blocked, you're better off coming here (news:uk.d-i-y) via google groups or a newsreader. NT |
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