This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

Why are you so worried about something so normal?where is the danger?

On Wednesday, 8 July 2015 23:37:21 UTC+1, ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

From a technical point of view it may well be OK, ie safe.
It just looks untidy and if any alterations are needed takes longer to work out what goes where.
It's possible to tidy this lot up with various gadgets or even by coiling up over long cables and fitting cable ties.
A remote possible danger is cables getting trapped & damaged.

On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 23:37:14 +0100, ss wrote:

This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

It's a mess, yes. But what do YOU think the "risk" is?

ss wrote:

This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

I was expecting a load of cables running across a floor, but ffs, it is
behind a desk. Please explain why this is a risk?

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this?

Yes, there is a section that says idiots shouldnt be let out of their
house. Maybe you should stay at home if you see such things as a risk?
--
Alan
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:08:20 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

Why are you so worried about something so normal?where is the danger?
Trip hazards, electromagnetically induced interference to pacemakers,
unclear switch designations thus leading to confusion as to which plug
to pull in the case of a fire. Inability to keep clueless morons from
the workplace. The list is endless!

AB

On 09/07/2015 08:18, A.Lee wrote:
ss wrote:

This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

I was expecting a load of cables running across a floor, but ffs, it is
behind a desk. Please explain why this is a risk?

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this?

Yes, there is a section that says idiots shouldnt be let out of their
house. Maybe you should stay at home if you see such things as a risk?
--
Alan
To reply by mail, change '+' to 'plus'

Gosh no 4/6 way blocks ! Everything has its own mains socket - thats not
normal.
Its untidy - but normal for work situations especially if the sockets
are hardly ever accessed in normal use; the main practical issue would
be accidental unplugging of devices/services so unless one of the
devices has an important Safety role no issue.

In message , Archibald
Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes
On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:08:20 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

Why are you so worried about something so normal?where is the danger?


Trip hazards,

You haven't looked at the image have you? so posting generic hazards is
a bit pointless.

Not in this situation, the cables are out of the way mostly behind a
desk.

electromagnetically induced interference to pacemakers,

Any evidence that tangles of wires cause such a problem?

unclear switch designations

There are no switches on the sockets. though some labels would be
useful, but mostly to save annoyance and frustration. But I imagine
these are not going to be pulled unless someone is working on the kit,
moving it etc.

thus leading to confusion as to which plug
to pull in the case of a fire.

fair enough, but it would be safer to pull them all anyway as the
equipment is likely to be near each other., But when was the last time a
bit of random office equipment caught fire whilst people were sitting
working in the office?

Inability to keep clueless morons from
the workplace.

what's clueless about a perfectly normal cable setup?

--
Chris French

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 11:37:21 PM UTC+1, ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

If you think there is a problem there you really don't want to look behind the desk I am at now!

Everything seems to have its own socket, so this is a Rolls Royce installation. cables are tied together and out of the way so that no trip hazard exists. The power bricks would be a tiny bit better if they were not dangling on their cables, but that's a 5 second fix and not a safety issue (a reliability one instead). Labeling the sockets would aid identification, but again not a safety issue and we are knit picking.

Where you have a couple of computers, phones, lamps etc you are going to get a lot of cables, end of. Are you wanting to return to the days of old where the only thing on an office desk was a telephone, if that.

There are cable tidy's you can buy to make that look a little neater, but of course they become a problem when you want to replace a piece of equipment (unless keeping the same cables).

The only slight other problem that I can see is the shockingly bad workmanship of whoever crimped the connectors on for the Ethernet/phone cables. Again a reliability issue not a safety one.

Philip

Chris French wrote:
In message , Archibald
Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes
On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:08:20 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

Why are you so worried about something so normal?where is the danger?


Trip hazards,

You haven't looked at the image have you? so posting generic hazards is
a bit pointless.

Not in this situation, the cables are out of the way mostly behind a desk.

electromagnetically induced interference to pacemakers,

Any evidence that tangles of wires cause such a problem?

unclear switch designations

There are no switches on the sockets. though some labels would be
useful, but mostly to save annoyance and frustration. But I imagine
these are not going to be pulled unless someone is working on the kit,
moving it etc.

thus leading to confusion as to which plug
to pull in the case of a fire.

fair enough, but it would be safer to pull them all anyway as the
equipment is likely to be near each other., But when was the last time a
bit of random office equipment caught fire whilst people were sitting
working in the office?

Inability to keep clueless morons from
the workplace.

what's clueless about a perfectly normal cable setup?

He must be fairly diminutive to trip on those cables, I would find it
difficult to walk there.

On 08/07/15 23:37, ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg



No, apart from the PSU (see below). 100% of offices have stuff like that
somewhere in at least one room, usually most rooms.


But it would do hard to by a reel of velcro cable tidy tape which can be
cut into lengths and used to bundle that lot up a bit more nicely.

The only bit I deem "at risk" is the PSU that is dangling on its plug: I
prefer PSUs which can get warm and especially ones with plug in leads to
be sitting somewhere they will be ventilated, not get covered in papers
that fall down, not get clouted when that pedastal moves and if they did
overheat (happens) the risk of them setting their surroundings alight is
reduced. And the PSU dangling on the cable may work the plug loose which
can cause arcing and more heat.

But you do not need to report this to anyone - self help! Shove the PSU
on that shelf to mitigate all of the above and gather the cables up a
bit (even if you don't go as far as tying them off).

On 09/07/15 11:50, Huge wrote:

Someone at work has plaited all the cables running round their desk. I
suspect they don't have enough to do.

Sweet - I might do that...

On Wednesday, 8 July 2015 23:37:21 UTC+1, ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

I don't see any risk there


NT

"F Murtz" wrote in message
eb.com...

Chris French wrote:
In message , Archibald
Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes
On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:08:20 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to
report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

Why are you so worried about something so normal?where is the danger?


Trip hazards,

You haven't looked at the image have you? so posting generic hazards is
a bit pointless.

Not in this situation, the cables are out of the way mostly behind a
desk.

electromagnetically induced interference to pacemakers,

Any evidence that tangles of wires cause such a problem?

unclear switch designations

There are no switches on the sockets. though some labels would be
useful, but mostly to save annoyance and frustration. But I imagine
these are not going to be pulled unless someone is working on the kit,
moving it etc.

thus leading to confusion as to which plug
to pull in the case of a fire.

fair enough, but it would be safer to pull them all anyway as the
equipment is likely to be near each other., But when was the last time a
bit of random office equipment caught fire whilst people were sitting
working in the office?

Inability to keep clueless morons from
the workplace.

what's clueless about a perfectly normal cable setup?

He must be fairly diminutive to trip on those cables, I would find it
difficult to walk there.

As would any normal person. But you're not an accident looking for a place
to happen...

"Huge" wrote in message ...

On 2015-07-09, Tim Watts wrote:
On 09/07/15 11:50, Huge wrote:

Someone at work has plaited all the cables running round their desk. I
suspect they don't have enough to do.

Sweet -

Yeah, I was greatly amused. It looks particularly good for the power, USB
& network cables draped across their desk.

Photo?

On 09/07/2015 09:07, Chris French wrote:

There are no switches on the sockets. though some labels would be
useful, but mostly to save annoyance and frustration. But I imagine
these are not going to be pulled unless someone is working on the kit,
moving it etc.

There's not much point labelling plugs unless the other end of the lead
is permanently wired into the appliance. It's possible that the lead
from the plug that you labelled "PC" a few months ago is now plugged
into the back of the printer.

--
Mike Clarke

On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:07:52 +0100, Chris French
wrote:

In message , Archibald
Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes
On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:08:20 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

Why are you so worried about something so normal?where is the danger?


Trip hazards,

You haven't looked at the image have you? so posting generic hazards is
a bit pointless.

Not in this situation, the cables are out of the way mostly behind a
desk.

electromagnetically induced interference to pacemakers,

Any evidence that tangles of wires cause such a problem?

unclear switch designations

There are no switches on the sockets. though some labels would be
useful, but mostly to save annoyance and frustration. But I imagine
these are not going to be pulled unless someone is working on the kit,
moving it etc.

thus leading to confusion as to which plug
to pull in the case of a fire.

fair enough, but it would be safer to pull them all anyway as the
equipment is likely to be near each other., But when was the last time a
bit of random office equipment caught fire whilst people were sitting
working in the office?

Inability to keep clueless morons from
the workplace.

what's clueless about a perfectly normal cable setup?

Nothing.

The moron is the person trying to produce a H&S issue where there is
no risk.

People are now dreaming up health and safety "initiatives" looking for
problems where they don't exist.

At my last induction I was at a civils site. I was informed that PPE
including gloves and glasses were to be worn at all times, there were
no exceptions.

I pointed out this was against HSE guidelines and went on to add that
a badly thought through glasses policy resulted in me winding up in
hospital once.

The "safety" officer agreed that their policy wasn't in keeping with
HSE guidelines, but I still had to "go with the flow"


Anyone tried PLC/ HMI programming wearing gloves & goggles?



There are too many plonkers that try to find issues in situations
where there is such low risk anyway that the safety measures only
introduce problems and risks.
AB

"ss" wrote in message
...



but then again they couldnt find the light switch to turn off a ceiling
light that goes of at the mains!

I have no idea what that means?

--
Adam

"Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp"
wrote in message ...

People are now dreaming up health and safety "initiatives" looking for
problems where they don't exist.

At my last induction I was at a civils site. I was informed that PPE
including gloves and glasses were to be worn at all times, there were
no exceptions.


No hi vis jacket? If so what colour was it and how many people did it take
to pass the motion on the colour of the hi vis?


--
Adam

On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 20:24:00 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp"
wrote in message ...

People are now dreaming up health and safety "initiatives" looking for
problems where they don't exist.

At my last induction I was at a civils site. I was informed that PPE
including gloves and glasses were to be worn at all times, there were
no exceptions.


No hi vis jacket? If so what colour was it and how many people did it take
to pass the motion on the colour of the hi vis?

Ooooh!!

There lies a story!

Must be orange, unless of course the demented ******* on site prefer
green. Those going for orange are demonstrating their superb knowledge
of local conditions by predicting what the insect life head for.
'Shame that the same knowledge doesn't take in to account the almost
complete lack of traffic around the sites they administrate over.

A colleague wanted pink Hi Vis but this wasn't allowed at all, she
should have tried for a sex discrimination case.


The rule now on a lot of sites is full Hi Vis. [ I work indoors with
nice pretty little relays and 1mm cables], Occasionally I join the big
rough boys and start terminating 2.5 and even 4mm cable, this is all
inside away from any vehicular traffic.

The trouble is, the hi vis and reverse parking ******* don't stop
there, some such as Costains go even further and jump onto the
"green" bandwaggon, wanting to know if the lucky souls attending their
sites have used petrol or diesel transport and furthermore how many
miles they have travelled to attend.

Environmental policy is very similar to H&S, it seems like a nice
comfortable niche for the lesser able.

AB

On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 20:16:30 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"ss" wrote in message
...



but then again they couldnt find the light switch to turn off a ceiling
light that goes of at the mains!

I have no idea what that means?

A GCSE English grade "G"?

AB

On 09/07/2015 20:13, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:07:52 +0100, Chris French
wrote:



Anyone tried PLC/ HMI programming wearing gloves & goggles?


About as easy as using a metallurgical microscope at high mag with
plastic safety glasses over spectacles, as the signage once instructed me.

"Mike Clarke" wrote in message
...
On 09/07/2015 09:07, Chris French wrote:

There are no switches on the sockets. though some labels would be
useful, but mostly to save annoyance and frustration. But I imagine
these are not going to be pulled unless someone is working on the kit,
moving it etc.

There's not much point labelling plugs unless the other end of the lead is
permanently wired into the appliance.

Or the power pack.

It's possible that the lead from the plug that you labelled "PC" a few
months ago is now plugged into the back of the printer.

On Thursday, 9 July 2015 19:23:27 UTC+1, Mike Clarke wrote:
There's not much point labelling plugs unless the other end of the lead
is permanently wired into the appliance. It's possible that the lead
from the plug that you labelled "PC" a few months ago is now plugged
into the back of the printer.

If you label *both* ends of the lead then such nastiness won't happen.

Owain

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Chris French
wrote:

what's clueless about a perfectly normal cable setup?

It may be normal, but not desirable.

Bull****.

It's also a lot harder to keep clean.

Who cares ? I dont bother to clean there.

Ideally all the sockets for a given station should be presented at
floor pockets and then the cabling run neatly up to the workstation.

Complete waste of time.

And if the IT dept were not clueless the users would not be being given
these giant towers with their noisy fans and ****ing great 300W power
supplies. There are perfectly good small machines that could be used.

I choose to use giant towers myself and the fans are completely
silent, because I chose the tower that way. And I had to put in a
bigger power supply than I had originally because the quad
digital capture card would drop out one channel when all
streams were being recorded at once.

The tangle of wires will at some point cause problems with the RJ45
connectors, I'd say.

They dont with mine and mine is a lot more tangled than that one.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 8 July 2015 23:37:21 UTC+1, ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

From a technical point of view it may well be OK, ie safe.

Of course it is.

It just looks untidy

Stiff ****.

and if any alterations are needed takes longer to work out what goes
where.

But not as long as farting around making it look nice and tidy does.

It's possible to tidy this lot up with various gadgets

Complete waste of time and money to do that.

or even by coiling up over long cables and fitting cable ties.

Complete waste of time to do that.

A remote possible danger is cables getting trapped & damaged.

Never happened with any of mine and mine is MUCH worst than that one.

On 09/07/2015 20:13, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:


At my last induction I was at a civils site. I was informed that PPE
including gloves and glasses were to be worn at all times, there were
no exceptions.

I pointed out this was against HSE guidelines and went on to add that
a badly thought through glasses policy resulted in me winding up in
hospital once.


Noticed this on a TV programme about a year ago (in either a RR Aero
engine factory or an Airbus factory - I cant remember which) where
everyone on the factory floor (including the CEO being interviewed) was
wearing safety glasses. I thought at the time it seemed excessive,
although the safety glasses were "wrap around" and looked a lot lighter
and more comfortable than the monstrosities I had to wear years ago.


--
CB

On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:46:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

There's not much point labelling plugs unless the other end of the
lead
is permanently wired into the appliance. It's possible that the
lead
from the plug that you labelled "PC" a few months ago is now
plugged
into the back of the printer.

If you label *both* ends of the lead then such nastiness won't happen.

"Won't"? You have got to be joking, slightly less likely at best.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thursday, 9 July 2015 23:15:12 UTC+1, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Chris French
wrote:

what's clueless about a perfectly normal cable setup?

It may be normal, but not desirable. It's also a lot harder to keep
clean.

Normally that's not a priority in most places of work.


Ideally all the sockets for a given station should be presented at
floor pockets and then the cabling run neatly up to the workstation.

and all clouds should be fluffy and white.

And if the IT dept were not clueless the users would not be being given
these giant towers with their noisy fans and ****ing great 300W power
supplies. There are perfectly good small machines that could be used.

True here too, we have 30+ PCs in my lab but we can't afford to replace them every year.
What we do is recycle the older machines as the oldest become unusable
or less useful they get passed down. Our IT dept. are apparenrtly buying 1,500 new PCs, we will get some of thioer old PCs and our old opnes will be used for studetn projects that don't need 'best/good spec' PCs.



The tangle of wires will at some point cause problems with the RJ45
connectors, I'd say.

It's unlikely to cause problems for the actual user of that PC if everything stays put, it's the replacing and moving is when things start to go wrong.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"harry" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 8 July 2015 23:37:21 UTC+1, ss wrote:
This is a small office in a large UK corporate company.
Although untidy tangle of wires would this be deemed `at risk` under
health and safety.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps32wd8zso.jpg

If so is there a section or ref number within health & safety to report
this? Electricians say it is ok, but then again they couldnt find the
light switch to turn off a ceiling light that goes of at the mains!

From a technical point of view it may well be OK, ie safe.

Of course it is.

It just looks untidy

Stiff ****.

and if any alterations are needed takes longer to work out what goes
where.

But not as long as farting around making it look nice and tidy does.

It's possible to tidy this lot up with various gadgets

Complete waste of time and money to do that.

or even by coiling up over long cables and fitting cable ties.

Complete waste of time to do that.

A remote possible danger is cables getting trapped & damaged.

Never happened with any of mine and mine is MUCH worst than that one.

Ever heard of good housekeeping?
Being a stupid Australian I would guess not.

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:52:40 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Thursday, 9 July 2015 23:15:12 UTC+1, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Chris French
wrote:

what's clueless about a perfectly normal cable setup?

It may be normal, but not desirable. It's also a lot harder to keep
clean.

Normally that's not a priority in most places of work.


Ideally all the sockets for a given station should be presented at
floor pockets and then the cabling run neatly up to the workstation.

and all clouds should be fluffy and white.

And if the IT dept were not clueless the users would not be being given
these giant towers with their noisy fans and ****ing great 300W power
supplies. There are perfectly good small machines that could be used.

True here too, we have 30+ PCs in my lab but we can't afford to replace them every year.
What we do is recycle the older machines as the oldest become unusable
or less useful they get passed down. Our IT dept. are apparenrtly buying 1,500 new PCs, we will get some of thioer old PCs and our old opnes will be used for studetn projects that don't need 'best/good spec' PCs.



The tangle of wires will at some point cause problems with the RJ45
connectors, I'd say.

It's unlikely to cause problems for the actual user of that PC if everything stays put, it's the replacing and moving is when things start to go wrong.



I install that kind of hit all the time and while I am a little OCD
about dressing cables reasonably neatly, by the time I return to
upgrade it 3 years later it looks like the picture, or worse.

Each item in the tangle then has two or three PAT test labels affixed
which is a good clue as to who's to blame.

It's all par for the course, might not be esthetically pleasing, but
it does no harm. Look at the wiring on board the ISS, on the regular
NASA TV telecasts!

--

Graham.

%Profound_observation%

In article , Archibald
Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes
On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 20:16:30 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"ss" wrote in message
...



but then again they couldnt find the light switch to turn off a ceiling
light that goes of at the mains!

I have no idea what that means?

A GCSE English grade "G"?

AB
I think you mean deferred pass
--
bert

On 09/07/2015 23:15, Tim Streater wrote:
And if the IT dept were not clueless the users would not be being given
these giant towers with their noisy fans and ****ing great 300W power
supplies. There are perfectly good small machines that could be used.

Remind me - what was the workload on the machine? I missed that.

(We have stuff running on our machines that takes several hours, even
with all 8 cores maxed...)

Andy

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:21:56 +0000, Huge wrote:

The intel core i5 Mac Mini I have on my desk (10g ram, 250gig SSD and
500gig HD, both internal) is not much bigger than a hardback book, if
that.

The vast majority of office desktop machines are hugely overpowered for
what they do.

They're also really quite cheap. Far cheaper than a Mac Mini.

On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 10:21:59 PM UTC+1, Huge wrote:
On 2015-07-12, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Vir
Campestris wrote:

On 09/07/2015 23:15, Tim Streater wrote:
And if the IT dept were not clueless the users would not be being given
these giant towers with their noisy fans and ****ing great 300W power
supplies. There are perfectly good small machines that could be used.

Remind me - what was the workload on the machine? I missed that.

Next to nothing on most desktops, I venture to suggest. IIRC, the usual
email, web, bit of Word doc editing was mentioned.

The intel core i5 Mac Mini I have on my desk (10g ram, 250gig SSD and
500gig HD, both internal) is not much bigger than a hardback book, if
that.

The vast majority of office desktop machines are hugely overpowered for
what they do.


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On Sunday, 12 July 2015 22:25:31 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:21:56 +0000, Huge wrote:

The intel core i5 Mac Mini I have on my desk (10g ram, 250gig SSD and
500gig HD, both internal) is not much bigger than a hardback book, if
that.

The vast majority of office desktop machines are hugely overpowered for
what they do.

They're also really quite cheap. Far cheaper than a Mac Mini.

We're getting 30 or so 'new' PCs for my lab, I'd like mac mini's or PC equiv. because of their small size and low power and low noise, but we'll probbaly be gettig the standard tower machines. One reason for getting them is cheapness, another is so they can be easily upgraded, but I'm betting the most important reason is because they are large relatively power hungry and pig ugly so no one will be tempted to nick them.

On 13/07/15 11:55, whisky-dave wrote:
On Sunday, 12 July 2015 22:25:31 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:21:56 +0000, Huge wrote:

The intel core i5 Mac Mini I have on my desk (10g ram, 250gig SSD and
500gig HD, both internal) is not much bigger than a hardback book, if
that.

The vast majority of office desktop machines are hugely overpowered for
what they do.

They're also really quite cheap. Far cheaper than a Mac Mini.

We're getting 30 or so 'new' PCs for my lab, I'd like mac mini's or PC equiv. because of their small size and low power and low noise, but we'll probbaly be gettig the standard tower machines. One reason for getting them is cheapness, another is so they can be easily upgraded, but I'm betting the most important reason is because they are large relatively power hungry and pig ugly so no one will be tempted to nick them.


The Dell mini towers are my recommendation - you can spec those up to
ludicrous levels (32GB RAM, i7 CPU, 2 1TB SSDs) (but of course you can
be a lot more modest).

Not ugly, not large, not unecessarily tiny either and very quiet. Also
very reliable IME.

In article ,
whisky-dave scribeth thus
On Sunday, 12 July 2015 22:25:31 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:21:56 +0000, Huge wrote:

The intel core i5 Mac Mini I have on my desk (10g ram, 250gig SSD and
500gig HD, both internal) is not much bigger than a hardback book, if
that.

The vast majority of office desktop machines are hugely overpowered for
what they do.

They're also really quite cheap. Far cheaper than a Mac Mini.

We're getting 30 or so 'new' PCs for my lab, I'd like mac mini's or PC equiv.
because of their small size and low power and low noise, but we'll probbaly be
gettig the standard tower machines. One reason for getting them is cheapness,
another is so they can be easily upgraded, but I'm betting the most important


reason is because they are large relatively power hungry and pig ugly so no one
will be tempted to nick them.

R U saying that a smaller machine is less power hungry?...
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On 13/07/2015 18:52, tony sayer wrote:
R U saying that a smaller machine is less power hungry?...

Quite possibly, yes. It'll have a lower specced PSU running at a higher
load - more efficient. Quite possibly 2.5 inch discs to be small - which
are slower, but use less power. Certainly not a heavy duty graphics
processor...

There aren't many of us that need that spec. And I really hope oil
companies are using proper server farms. Their data runs really nicely
across many systems - it's inherently parallel.

Andy

On Monday, 13 July 2015 21:33:31 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 13/07/2015 18:52, tony sayer wrote:
R U saying that a smaller machine is less power hungry?...

Quite possibly, yes. It'll have a lower specced PSU running at a higher
load - more efficient. Quite possibly 2.5 inch discs to be small - which
are slower, but use less power. Certainly not a heavy duty graphics
processor...

There aren't many of us that need that spec. And I really hope oil
companies are using proper server farms. Their data runs really nicely
across many systems - it's inherently parallel.

Andy

unused cpu cycles are much underharvested. Most of the world's processing power goes unused.


NT