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My Son in law wants to use powerline alongside wifi. He has a split supply CU with separate upstairs and downstairs ring mains, will this cause connection problems? At the last house we used powerline and also had seperate upstairs and downstairs ring mains and found problems unless we had the powerline adaptor son the same ring main.

Richard

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On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 09:43:09 -0700, Tricky Dicky wrote:

My Son in law wants to use powerline alongside wifi. He has a split
supply CU with separate upstairs and downstairs ring mains, will this
cause connection problems? At the last house we used powerline and also
had seperate upstairs and downstairs ring mains and found problems
unless we had the powerline adaptor son the same ring main.

I've got (TP-Link) powerline here, not just across rings, but with one
end on a separate consumer unit daisychained off the main one. Works just
fine.

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In article , Tricky
Dicky wrote:
My Son in law wants to use powerline alongside wifi. He has a split
supply CU with separate upstairs and downstairs ring mains, will this
cause connection problems? At the last house we used powerline and also
had seperate upstairs and downstairs ring mains and found problems unless
we had the powerline adaptor son the same ring main.
#
My Devolo works on different rings, but there is only a single RCD guarding
all circuits. I believe that the singals don't like passing through RCDs.

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are you trying to get into deep dodos or what? These devices are rubbish.
They create radio frequency interference. The last one too close to here was
shut down by ofcom via the local hams and short wave listeners.
Brian

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"Tricky Dicky" wrote in message
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My Son in law wants to use powerline alongside wifi. He has a split supply
CU with separate upstairs and downstairs ring mains, will this cause
connection problems? At the last house we used powerline and also had
seperate upstairs and downstairs ring mains and found problems unless we had
the powerline adaptor son the same ring main.

Richard

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Blimey, and I wonder if anyone in the area can get any stations on their
radios outside local fm and dab?
Brian

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"Adrian" wrote in message
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On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 09:43:09 -0700, Tricky Dicky wrote:

My Son in law wants to use powerline alongside wifi. He has a split
supply CU with separate upstairs and downstairs ring mains, will this
cause connection problems? At the last house we used powerline and also
had seperate upstairs and downstairs ring mains and found problems
unless we had the powerline adaptor son the same ring main.

I've got (TP-Link) powerline here, not just across rings, but with one
end on a separate consumer unit daisychained off the main one. Works just
fine.

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On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 18:40:29 +0100, Brian-Gaff wrote:

Blimey, and I wonder if anyone in the area can get any stations on their
radios outside local fm and dab?

This corner of the Welsh borders is not exactly an area of high
population density... Unless, of course, you include sheep.

(DAB? I don't think that's reached here yet. Mobile phone signals barely
have.)

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2015 16:47:29 +0000 (UTC), Adrian wrote:

I've got (TP-Link) powerline here, not just across rings, but with one
end on a separate consumer unit daisychained off the main one.

No difference really.

Works just fine.

Define.

Is that browse the web over a 3 Mbps internet connection with no
noticable difference with or without the powerline segment in use.
Provided the powerline segment is faster than the internet connection
things will appear "just fine".

Or transfer a 1GB file locally with no noticable difference in time
taken if the powerline segment in used or not.

Aside from the RF interference aspect, it's more things to go wrong,
get zapped by lighting or mains glitch, lower speed, doesn't work
without power, than a nice bit of pretty much fit and forget Cat 5e
cable that'll be good for 1 Gbps, full duplex. Cables drawback is
speed of installtion and the requirement to know how to use a hammer.

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Dave.

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In message ,
Tricky Dicky writes
My Son in law wants to use powerline alongside wifi. He has a split
supply CU with separate upstairs and downstairs ring mains, will this
cause connection problems?

I have used Solwise units, and they are fine. Our mains cabling is a
nightmare, with one main on/off box supplying four fuse boxes, and
cables all over the place. Large Victorian house with cabling added and
replaced over the years. The units just work. We also have a shop
attached to the house, with separate mains supply. The Solwise units do
not bridge the gap between the two, as expected.

I realise we may be causing interference elsewhere, but the possibility
is fairly remote. Thick, solid granite walls kill wifi, which is why we
use powerline units. The chances of signals escaping and causing havoc
elsewhere are fairly remote.

--
Graeme

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2015 18:39:14 +0100, "Brian-Gaff"
wrote:

are you trying to get into deep dodos or what? These devices are rubbish.
They create radio frequency interference. The last one too close to here was
shut down by ofcom via the local hams and short wave listeners.


But they are legal to buy and the OP, and others, can use them if they
want. Instances of Ofcom stopping them being used because of radio
interference must be very few.

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In message , at 07:03:50 on Mon, 6
Jul 2015, News remarked:

I have used Solwise units, and they are fine.

I have three: two ethernet-only and one with a wifi point in it.

The latter gets alarmingly hot.

Of the former, one recently failed completely; not sure if it's going to
repairable or not.
--
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On 06/07/2015 07:03, News wrote:
In message ,
Tricky Dicky writes
My Son in law wants to use powerline alongside wifi. He has a split
supply CU with separate upstairs and downstairs ring mains, will this
cause connection problems?

I have used Solwise units, and they are fine. Our mains cabling is a
nightmare, with one main on/off box supplying four fuse boxes, and
cables all over the place. Large Victorian house with cabling added and
replaced over the years. The units just work. We also have a shop
attached to the house, with separate mains supply. The Solwise units do
not bridge the gap between the two, as expected.

I realise we may be causing interference elsewhere, but the possibility
is fairly remote. Thick, solid granite walls kill wifi, which is why we
use powerline units. The chances of signals escaping and causing havoc
elsewhere are fairly remote.

No problems here with 2 consumer units and rcds. Even works next door
which happens to be on the same phase so no issues going through 2 meters.

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2015 16:47:29 +0000 (UTC)
Adrian wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 09:43:09 -0700, Tricky Dicky wrote:

My Son in law wants to use powerline alongside wifi. He has a split
supply CU with separate upstairs and downstairs ring mains, will
this cause connection problems? At the last house we used powerline
and also had seperate upstairs and downstairs ring mains and found
problems unless we had the powerline adaptor son the same ring main.

I've got (TP-Link) powerline here, not just across rings, but with
one end on a separate consumer unit daisychained off the main one.
Works just fine.

I found that my Powerline units were foxed by power strips, as warned
by the blurb. Something to do with the surge-absorbing components.
But I gave up Powerline and went with a boosted WiFi system instead, to
be kinder to any hams locally.

--
Davey.

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On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 10:26:11 +0100
Peter Johnson wrote:

On Sun, 5 Jul 2015 18:39:14 +0100, "Brian-Gaff"
wrote:

are you trying to get into deep dodos or what? These devices are
rubbish. They create radio frequency interference. The last one too
close to here was shut down by ofcom via the local hams and short
wave listeners.


But they are legal to buy and the OP, and others, can use them if they
want. Instances of Ofcom stopping them being used because of radio
interference must be very few.

I think it is worth looking at the site www.ban-plt.org.uk.
It is certainly very 'in-yer-face', but presents and describes the
problems of interference. Then make up your own mind, I am not waving
its flag.
If you think they are a load of wackos, that's up to you.

--
Davey.

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On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 10:01:01 +0100, Davey wrote:

I think it is worth looking at the site www.ban-plt.org.uk.
It is certainly very 'in-yer-face', but presents and describes the
problems of interference. Then make up your own mind, I am not waving
its flag.
If you think they are a load of wackos, that's up to you.

"suffering deliberate interference (spectrum abuse)"...?
"such immense interference that it could be impossible to enjoy any form
of radio"...?
"the deliberate and illegal interference"...?

They really don't help their case - which may or may not be valid, I
don't know - with some emotive over-exaggerated ******** as that. If the
interference is "illegal", why are they having to try to ban it?

Right now, I'm listening to FM radio 4, from a mains radio sat almost
directly underneath one of the powerline networking units. The signal is
clear as anything.

There's a battery radio in the bathroom, almost directly above the other
powerline networking unit. The signal from that is as clear as anything,
too.

We don't have a DAB radio, but we've borrowed one to see if we get a
signal - we do, quite a good one.

Since there's two bloody great big 15" thick stone walls right across the
middle of the house (with the exception of one doorway), I'm open to
suggestions of other ways to get internet in the whole property.

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On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:11:35 +0000, Adrian wrote:

Since there's two bloody great big 15" thick stone walls right across
the middle of the house (with the exception of one doorway)

That should, obviously, be one doorway in each wall.

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Davey wrote:

Peter Johnson wrote:

Brian-Gaff wrote:

These devices are rubbish. They create radio frequency interference.

I think the stable door is well and truly swinging in the breeze.

But they are legal to buy and the OP, and others, can use them if they
want. Instances of Ofcom stopping them being used because of radio
interference must be very few.

I think it is worth looking at the site www.ban-plt.org.uk.

ITU G.hn is touted as being better regarding interference than IEEE 1901
(aka HomePlug) because it can have notches at specific frequencies,
perhaps radio hams should "get behind" the G.hn standard (if it is
indeed better for them) but smartgrid and electric car chargers seem to
be on the side of HomePlug ...

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On Wed, 8 Jul 2015 09:11:35 +0000 (UTC)
Adrian wrote:

They really don't help their case - which may or may not be valid, I
don't know - with some emotive over-exaggerated ******** as that. If
the interference is "illegal", why are they having to try to ban it?

This was discussed some many months ago, in a different newsgroup, and
they still use the same cringe-making language. They need to get
somebody with real PR experience to go over their website. The fact
that it has stayed so bad for so long is not to their advantage.

As I said, read it and make up your own mind.

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Davey.

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On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 10:23:03 +0100, Davey wrote:

They really don't help their case - which may or may not be valid, I
don't know - with some emotive over-exaggerated ******** as that. If
the interference is "illegal", why are they having to try to ban it?

This was discussed some many months ago, in a different newsgroup, and
they still use the same cringe-making language. They need to get
somebody with real PR experience to go over their website. The fact that
it has stayed so bad for so long is not to their advantage.

/understatement

As I said, read it and make up your own mind.

Oh, absolutely.

Anybody neutral will read it and make their mind up that they're a bunch
of hysterical cranks.

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On Wed, 8 Jul 2015 09:29:34 +0000 (UTC)
Adrian wrote:

As I said, read it and make up your own mind.

Oh, absolutely.

Anybody neutral will read it and make their mind up that they're a
bunch of hysterical cranks.

"You may think that, I couldn't possibly comment". (!)

--
Davey.

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On 08/07/15 11:17, Davey wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2015 09:29:34 +0000 (UTC)
Adrian wrote:

As I said, read it and make up your own mind.

Oh, absolutely.

Anybody neutral will read it and make their mind up that they're a
bunch of hysterical cranks.

"You may think that, I couldn't possibly comment". (!)

The problem is today that such enormous Big Lies are bounding around the
place that unless you actually do a bit of detailed research the truth
itself often looks exactly like something made up by a bunch of
hysterical cranks.

--
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

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Davey wrote:

They need to get somebody with real PR experience to go over their website.

They clearly think they've already worded it for the benefit of Joe
Public ...

"in layman’s terms, the peaks are approximately 30dB above the limits"

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On Wed, 8 Jul 2015 09:11:35 +0000 (UTC), Adrian wrote:

I'm open to suggestions of other ways to get internet in the whole
property.

Cat5e cable. Works, reliable, fast (up to 1 Gbps full duplex).

That lazy don't like it as it takes time and some mental effort to
plan/research the routes and physical effort to install.

Internal soil stacks make nice cable routes from loft to floor slab,
upstairs rooms can be fed from the loft, 10 mm clip on cover conduit
in the corner behind the door to bring the cable down to skirting
level. One of the larger mouldings of ogee skirting hides the cable
well fixed with a cable staples rather than hammer in clips.

The stone walls here prevent WiFi getting far but a cheap AP(*) on
the end of a bit of Cat5 sorts that out.

(*) Aldi reduced to £14.00 Maginon "WLAN-Repeater" WLR-510. Plug in
device, 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz, three modes Access Point, Repeater, or
Client.
802.11 a/b/g/n WPA WPA2 two aerials but I don't think that means
MIMO, just one for 2.4 GHz and one for 5 GHz.

Or Tesco have the TP-Link TL-WR841N for £20 table/wall device. Bit
overkill as its also a router with a WAN and 4 LAN ports but that
does give your better control of what a given client can access and
when. The four LAN ports mean you could connect, via Cat5, three
other devices to it that then share the single Cat5 back to another
switch/server/WHY.
It is also a twin aerial MIMO device so performs better than a single
aerial AP. 802.11 b/g/n 2.4 GHz only.

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Cheers
Dave.

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In message , Robert
writes
On 06/07/2015 07:03, News wrote:
In message ,
Tricky Dicky writes
My Son in law wants to use powerline alongside wifi. He has a split
supply CU with separate upstairs and downstairs ring mains, will this
cause connection problems?

I have used Solwise units, and they are fine. Our mains cabling is a
nightmare, with one main on/off box supplying four fuse boxes, and
cables all over the place. Large Victorian house with cabling added and
replaced over the years. The units just work. We also have a shop
attached to the house, with separate mains supply. The Solwise units do
not bridge the gap between the two, as expected.

I realise we may be causing interference elsewhere, but the possibility
is fairly remote. Thick, solid granite walls kill wifi, which is why we
use powerline units. The chances of signals escaping and causing havoc
elsewhere are fairly remote.

No problems here with 2 consumer units and rcds. Even works next door
which happens to be on the same phase so no issues going through 2
meters.

Indeed, I recall that there have been cases of people connecting to
other peoples systems because they travelled outside their own property.
This may have been with early devices that were not as secure as more
modern ones, but worry all the same. There again wifi travels outside
many properties too. Cat 5/6 is a lot more secure and also less prone
to failure.

--
Bill

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On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:31:21 +0100, Bill wrote:

Cat 5/6 is a lot more secure and also less prone to failure.

Slightly more difficult to just grab the tablet or phone and google
something whilst sprawled in front of the telly, though.

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On Wed, 8 Jul 2015 19:42:52 +0000 (UTC), Adrian wrote:

Cat 5/6 is a lot more secure and also less prone to failure.

Slightly more difficult to just grab the tablet or phone and google
something whilst sprawled in front of the telly, though.

How does Homeplug do that?

--
Cheers
Dave.

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On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:21:10 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Cat 5/6 is a lot more secure and also less prone to failure.

Slightly more difficult to just grab the tablet or phone and google
something whilst sprawled in front of the telly, though.

How does Homeplug do that?

It lets me put a second wireless router in the other end of the house, so
that I get wireless coverage through the whole property.

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In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Wed, 8 Jul 2015 19:42:52 +0000 (UTC), Adrian wrote:

Cat 5/6 is a lot more secure and also less prone to failure.

Slightly more difficult to just grab the tablet or phone and google
something whilst sprawled in front of the telly, though.

How does Homeplug do that?

(Some) homeplugs have wireless output as well as CAT5 sockets.
--
Graeme

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In message , at 10:56:46 on Thu, 9
Jul 2015, News remarked:
Cat 5/6 is a lot more secure and also less prone to failure.

Slightly more difficult to just grab the tablet or phone and google
something whilst sprawled in front of the telly, though.

How does Homeplug do that?

(Some) homeplugs have wireless output as well as CAT5 sockets.

They do, and I have one. One possible use is to extend coverage to
somewhere that an ADSL router's built-in wifi doesn't reach very well.

(I haven't used separate (non-wifi) ADSL routers plus wifi hotspots for
about ten years now).
--
Roland Perry

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In article , Adrian
scribeth thus
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 10:01:01 +0100, Davey wrote:

I think it is worth looking at the site www.ban-plt.org.uk.
It is certainly very 'in-yer-face', but presents and describes the
problems of interference. Then make up your own mind, I am not waving
its flag.
If you think they are a load of wackos, that's up to you.

"suffering deliberate interference (spectrum abuse)"...?
"such immense interference that it could be impossible to enjoy any form
of radio"...?
"the deliberate and illegal interference"...?

They really don't help their case - which may or may not be valid, I
don't know - with some emotive over-exaggerated ******** as that. If the
interference is "illegal", why are they having to try to ban it?

Its not been that well thought out, powerline does cause interference
there been quite a bit or research done on it in recent times.

It may well be Adrian that your in a very good signal area for radio
reception, many aren't;!..


Right now, I'm listening to FM radio 4, from a mains radio sat almost
directly underneath one of the powerline networking units. The signal is
clear as anything.

There's a battery radio in the bathroom, almost directly above the other
powerline networking unit. The signal from that is as clear as anything,
too.

We don't have a DAB radio, but we've borrowed one to see if we get a
signal - we do, quite a good one.

Since there's two bloody great big 15" thick stone walls right across the
middle of the house (with the exception of one doorway), I'm open to
suggestions of other ways to get internet in the whole property.

--
Tony Sayer

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On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:53:34 +0000 (UTC), Adrian wrote:

Cat 5/6 is a lot more secure and also less prone to failure.

Slightly more difficult to just grab the tablet or phone and
google
something whilst sprawled in front of the telly, though.

How does Homeplug do that?

It lets me put a second wireless router in the other end of the house,
so that I get wireless coverage through the whole property.

But a bit a Cat5 will do that passively, securely and reliably.

--
Cheers
Dave.

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On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 15:23:41 +0100 (BST), Dave Liquorice wrote:

(*) Aldi reduced to £14.00 Maginon "WLAN-Repeater" WLR-510. Plug in
device, 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz, three modes Access Point, Repeater, or
Client. 802.11 a/b/g/n WPA WPA2 two aerials but I don't think that means
MIMO, just one for 2.4 GHz and one for 5 GHz.

STOP PRESS

Now down to £9.99 at least in Aldi, Penrith.

I resisted the tempation to buy another one, I already have two, one
as an AP at the other end of the house (on cable), the other
configured as a Client (again on cable) to my phones hotspot to act
as a backup internet connection if the ADSL goes down.

--
Cheers
Dave.