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chain resistant to bolt cutting?
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I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? Thanks, Stephen. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
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Stephen wrote: I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? Is there much point in using a chain much stronger than the gates themselves? If they can be cut easily? -- *If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
... In article , Stephen wrote: I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? Is there much point in using a chain much stronger than the gates themselves? If they can be cut easily? After the robbery at our place a few weeks ago then it seems nothing will stop a cordless angle grider. -- Adam |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
Stephen wrote:
I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? I would be inclined to buy a motorbike lock, they are designed to resist cutting. Any chain can be cut given time, though. Mike |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On 18/06/2015 18:15, ARW wrote:
After the robbery at our place a few weeks ago then it seems nothing will stop a cordless angle grider. That's probably true. But cable is harder to get through with bolt cutters. Andy |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On Thursday, 18 June 2015 17:49:42 UTC+1, Stephen wrote:
Hello, I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? hardened chain NT |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On 18/06/2015 18:43, Mike Humphrey wrote:
Stephen wrote: I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? I would be inclined to buy a motorbike lock, they are designed to resist cutting. Any chain can be cut given time, though. They will just crowbar the gate hinges. -- mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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chain resistant to bolt cutting?
alan_m wrote in news:cugsdrFp7vbU1
@mid.individual.net: On 18/06/2015 18:43, Mike Humphrey wrote: Stephen wrote: I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? I would be inclined to buy a motorbike lock, they are designed to resist cutting. Any chain can be cut given time, though. They will just crowbar the gate hinges. Is there an alarm similar to the ones that stick on wondows which detect the sound of breaking glass? |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 5:49:42 PM UTC+1, Stephen wrote:
Hello, I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? Thanks, Stephen. http://securityforbikes.com/security-chains.php |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On 18/06/2015 23:29, newshound wrote:
On 18/06/2015 22:38, wrote: On Thursday, 18 June 2015 17:49:42 UTC+1, Stephen wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? hardened chain NT As sold for motorbike security etc. As others have said, the thick ones will resist bolt cutters but not an angle grinder. There are youtube videos showing how many seconds it takes to cut various motorcycle chains using bolt cutters. Typically less than 10 seconds. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On 19/06/2015 08:16, dennis@home wrote:
On 18/06/2015 23:29, newshound wrote: On 18/06/2015 22:38, wrote: On Thursday, 18 June 2015 17:49:42 UTC+1, Stephen wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? hardened chain NT As sold for motorbike security etc. As others have said, the thick ones will resist bolt cutters but not an angle grinder. There are youtube videos showing how many seconds it takes to cut various motorcycle chains using bolt cutters. Typically less than 10 seconds. I forgot.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com... On 19/06/2015 08:16, dennis@home wrote: On 18/06/2015 23:29, newshound wrote: On 18/06/2015 22:38, wrote: On Thursday, 18 June 2015 17:49:42 UTC+1, Stephen wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? hardened chain NT As sold for motorbike security etc. As others have said, the thick ones will resist bolt cutters but not an angle grinder. There are youtube videos showing how many seconds it takes to cut various motorcycle chains using bolt cutters. Typically less than 10 seconds. I forgot.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck Well, for a gate I'd expect the chain to be out of reach to bolt cutters being employed as depicted in the video. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
Had to laugh when I heard this from someone. Apparently two wrought iron
gates into a compound had been chained together where they met, but it seemed that the gates were merely hooked over a series of vertical spindles mounted on the gate posts, and the bad guys had simply lifted one of them off to get in. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "Stephen" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? Thanks, Stephen. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
No but it makes a heck of a lot of noise, so unless you are out in the
middle of nowhere its a bit of a give away. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "ARW" wrote in message ... "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Stephen wrote: I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? Is there much point in using a chain much stronger than the gates themselves? If they can be cut easily? After the robbery at our place a few weeks ago then it seems nothing will stop a cordless angle grider. -- Adam |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 18:01:54 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: Is there much point in using a chain much stronger than the gates themselves? If they can be cut easily? True and the gates are not that tall, so they could be climbed over. I'm not wanting to make a fortress because as you say, anyone determined could get in, but something as a deterrent to opportunists. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 08:23:29 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote: There are youtube videos showing how many seconds it takes to cut various motorcycle chains using bolt cutters. Typically less than 10 seconds. I forgot.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck Thanks. It is an interesting video but the bolt cutters look 4' long; not the kind of thing many people have (I hope!). I would hope that if someone was using them on a pavement in broad daylight, someone else might call the police! |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On 19/06/2015 10:24, Stephen wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 08:23:29 +0100, "dennis@home" wrote: There are youtube videos showing how many seconds it takes to cut various motorcycle chains using bolt cutters. Typically less than 10 seconds. I forgot.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck Thanks. It is an interesting video but the bolt cutters look 4' long; not the kind of thing many people have (I hope!). I would hope that if someone was using them on a pavement in broad daylight, someone else might call the police! My daughter locked her bike to the railings outside a central London hospital where she worked and lost the key. She went home by other means and I went with my car, cut the chain with a large pair of bolt cutters, put the bike in the car and drove away. This was in the middle of the day with many people around and nobody batted an eyelid. Peter. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message ...
Had to laugh when I heard this from someone. Apparently two wrought iron gates into a compound had been chained together where they met, but it seemed that the gates were merely hooked over a series of vertical spindles mounted on the gate posts, and the bad guys had simply lifted one of them off to get in. Brian By convention farm gates have the upper pivot inverted so that the gate cannot be lifted off to either gain entry or nick the gate. I'm construction a secure compound for a 3 ton mini digger at the moment where the periphery is a 20 foot square water tank with 6 mm steel plate walls 1 metre high bedded in the concrete base. The entrance will be a steel gate, but both hinge end and catch end will have security chains, as although the upper pivot will be inverted, it is possible to unbolt the gate part of the hinge. Andrew |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
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Stephen wrote: On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 18:01:54 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Is there much point in using a chain much stronger than the gates themselves? If they can be cut easily? True and the gates are not that tall, so they could be climbed over. I'm not wanting to make a fortress because as you say, anyone determined could get in, but something as a deterrent to opportunists. It's just that a decent pair of large bolt cutters (or angle grinder) might well cut through the gate itself. And that is going to cost a lot more to fix than a chain. -- *Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
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PJK wrote: My daughter locked her bike to the railings outside a central London hospital where she worked and lost the key. She went home by other means and I went with my car, cut the chain with a large pair of bolt cutters, put the bike in the car and drove away. This was in the middle of the day with many people around and nobody batted an eyelid. London is awash with bits of bikes left chained to something. Anything from wheels to saddles get nicked even if they can't get the whole bike. Which did make me wonder about the morals of the average biker, since some must be nicking or buying these parts? As any interviewed on TV etc do tend to come across as 'holier than thou' ;-) -- *I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On 19/06/2015 10:39, Andrew Mawson wrote:
By convention farm gates have the upper pivot inverted so that the gate cannot be lifted off to either gain entry or nick the gate. I'm construction a secure compound for a 3 ton mini digger at the moment where the periphery is a 20 foot square water tank with 6 mm steel plate walls 1 metre high bedded in the concrete base. Start up the digger. Reach over the wall with the hoe, and dig up some loose earth. Make a ramp. Drive out. Easy-peasy! :) Or drive up with a flat bed truck with a crane, like the ones builders merchants use. There's only so much you can do, isn't there? The entrance will be a steel gate, but both hinge end and catch end will have security chains, as although the upper pivot will be inverted, it is possible to unbolt the gate part of the hinge. Andrew |
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"GB" wrote in message ...
On 19/06/2015 10:39, Andrew Mawson wrote: By convention farm gates have the upper pivot inverted so that the gate cannot be lifted off to either gain entry or nick the gate. I'm construction a secure compound for a 3 ton mini digger at the moment where the periphery is a 20 foot square water tank with 6 mm steel plate walls 1 metre high bedded in the concrete base. Start up the digger. Reach over the wall with the hoe, and dig up some loose earth. Make a ramp. Drive out. Easy-peasy! :) Or drive up with a flat bed truck with a crane, like the ones builders merchants use. There's only so much you can do, isn't there? The entrance will be a steel gate, but both hinge end and catch end will have security chains, as although the upper pivot will be inverted, it is possible to unbolt the gate part of the hinge. Andrew All you can do is delay the scrots, and hopefully make them have to announce their presence by the noise they have to make. Digger will be immobilised and alarmed as will the gate. Andrew |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On 19/06/2015 11:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
London is awash with bits of bikes left chained to something. Anything from wheels to saddles get nicked even if they can't get the whole bike. Which did make me wonder about the morals of the average biker, since some must be nicking or buying these parts? Just like car bits then! |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On Thursday, 18 June 2015 17:49:42 UTC+1, Stephen wrote:
Hello, I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? I can't see opportunistic thieves having bolt cutters to hand. Certainly the burglary at our house used the fork in the greenhouse to get in (rather than a crowbar). It avoids the risk of being prosecuted for "going equipped". |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
Martin Bonner wrote:
I can't see opportunistic thieves having bolt cutters to hand. Certainly the burglary at our house used the fork in the greenhouse to get in (rather than a crowbar On the other hand, one of my crow-bars was a "gift" from a burglar. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
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Martin Bonner wrote: I can't see opportunistic thieves having bolt cutters to hand. Certainly the burglary at our house used the fork in the greenhouse to get in (rather than a crowbar). It avoids the risk of being prosecuted for "going equipped". But how did they break into the greenhouse? ;-) -- *WHY ARE HEMORRHOIDS CALLED "HEMORRHOIDS" INSTEAD OF "ASTEROIDS"? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
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Andy Burns wrote: Martin Bonner wrote: I can't see opportunistic thieves having bolt cutters to hand. Certainly the burglary at our house used the fork in the greenhouse to get in (rather than a crowbar On the other hand, one of my crow-bars was a "gift" from a burglar. and at our theatre the would be burglars left behind a good quality angle grinder. -- Please note new email address: |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On 19/06/2015 11:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Which did make me wonder about the morals of the average biker, since some must be nicking or buying these parts? The very reason I won't buy secondhand power tools at boot fairs or on ebay. I'm sure a very significant proportion are nicked. Peter. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
On 19/06/2015 10:24, Stephen wrote:
Thanks. It is an interesting video but the bolt cutters look 4' long; not the kind of thing many people have (I hope!). I would hope that if someone was using them on a pavement in broad daylight, someone else might call the police! Just wear a high-viz jacket and no-one will take nay notice. -- mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
"Richard" wrote in message ... "dennis@home" wrote in message web.com... On 19/06/2015 08:16, dennis@home wrote: On 18/06/2015 23:29, newshound wrote: On 18/06/2015 22:38, wrote: On Thursday, 18 June 2015 17:49:42 UTC+1, Stephen wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? hardened chain NT As sold for motorbike security etc. As others have said, the thick ones will resist bolt cutters but not an angle grinder. There are youtube videos showing how many seconds it takes to cut various motorcycle chains using bolt cutters. Typically less than 10 seconds. I forgot.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck Well, for a gate I'd expect the chain to be out of reach to bolt cutters being employed as depicted in the video. With a gate, it isn't hard to organise a padlock that can't have bolt cutters used on it. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message ... Had to laugh when I heard this from someone. Apparently two wrought iron gates into a compound had been chained together where they met, but it seemed that the gates were merely hooked over a series of vertical spindles mounted on the gate posts, and the bad guys had simply lifted one of them off to get in. When I was out walking for exercise out past the edge of town one of the gates across the bush track had just had someone drive right thru it with a big 4WD presumably with a bullbar on the front. "Stephen" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm looking for a short length of chain to close my gates together, as a deterrent to opportunistic theft and to stop the gates opening in the wind. What spec of chain do I need to be resistant to attack from bolt cutters and can you recommend a supplier? Thanks, Stephen. |
chain resistant to bolt cutting?
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Stephen wrote: On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 18:01:54 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Is there much point in using a chain much stronger than the gates themselves? If they can be cut easily? True and the gates are not that tall, so they could be climbed over. I'm not wanting to make a fortress because as you say, anyone determined could get in, but something as a deterrent to opportunists. It's just that a decent pair of large bolt cutters (or angle grinder) might well cut through the gate itself. And that is going to cost a lot more to fix than a chain. Not necessarily, just weld it back where it was cut. Costs less than a new chain. |
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