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Anybody here used it?
http://www.screwfix.com/p/ronseal-ex...ey-1-2kg/71739

I don't know if I had a dodgy tub of it or was using it incorrectly, but
it has no strength at all. I had a 50 cm crack in some Tyrolean render,
about 2 or 3 mm wide and 5 mm deep. I thought I'd give the Ronseal filler
a go, forcing it into the crack and leaving it with rough peaks 1 - 4 mm
high to give it the appearance of the render. It seemed to dry ok, and a
couple of days later I tried to paint it using the same colour masonry
paint as the rest of the render. Dabbing the paintbrush to get the paint
into all\ the crevices caused a lot of the Ronseal peaks to break off.
Mess everywhere.

Ronseal claim it can be drilled. There's no way this stuff can - it is
very weak.


Was there frost?
Frost buggers up a lot of these sort of things.


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Anybody here used it?
http://www.screwfix.com/p/ronseal-ex...ey-1-2kg/71739

I don't know if I had a dodgy tub of it or was using it incorrectly, but
it has no strength at all. I had a 50 cm crack in some Tyrolean render,
about 2 or 3 mm wide and 5 mm deep. I thought I'd give the Ronseal
filler a go, forcing it into the crack and leaving it with rough peaks 1
- 4 mm high to give it the appearance of the render. It seemed to dry
ok, and a couple of days later I tried to paint it using the same colour
masonry paint as the rest of the render. Dabbing the paintbrush to get
the paint into all\ the crevices caused a lot of the Ronseal peaks to
break off. Mess everywhere.

Ronseal claim it can be drilled. There's no way this stuff can - it is
very weak.

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Anybody here used it?
http://www.screwfix.com/p/ronseal-ex...ey-1-2kg/71739

I don't know if I had a dodgy tub of it or was using it incorrectly, but
it has no strength at all. I had a 50 cm crack in some Tyrolean render,
about 2 or 3 mm wide and 5 mm deep. I thought I'd give the Ronseal
filler a go, forcing it into the crack and leaving it with rough peaks 1
- 4 mm high to give it the appearance of the render. It seemed to dry
ok, and a couple of days later I tried to paint it using the same colour
masonry paint as the rest of the render. Dabbing the paintbrush to get
the paint into all\ the crevices caused a lot of the Ronseal peaks to
break off. Mess everywhere.

Ronseal claim it can be drilled. There's no way this stuff can - it is
very weak.

Whatever the claims, I can't see how any ready mixed product that simply
sets by drying out can achieve a free-standing or drillable strength.
For that I think you need chemical action either by dry mix with water
(polyfilla or mortar) or 2 part combination such as polyester or epoxy
fillers. Anything else I would expect to be purely cosmetic (excepting
sealant/adhesive products which I see as being from a different group).

Having written that however I recall that Tetrion seemed to manage this
task quite effectively but I remain a sceptic.

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Was it too cold for it to go off properly?

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On 27/02/2015 16:41, Jeff Layman wrote:
Anybody here used it?
http://www.screwfix.com/p/ronseal-ex...ey-1-2kg/71739


I don't know if I had a dodgy tub of it or was using it incorrectly, but
it has no strength at all. I had a 50 cm crack in some Tyrolean render,
about 2 or 3 mm wide and 5 mm deep. I thought I'd give the Ronseal
filler a go, forcing it into the crack and leaving it with rough peaks 1
- 4 mm high to give it the appearance of the render. It seemed to dry
ok, and a couple of days later I tried to paint it using the same colour
masonry paint as the rest of the render. Dabbing the paintbrush to get
the paint into all\ the crevices caused a lot of the Ronseal peaks to
break off. Mess everywhere.

Ronseal claim it can be drilled. There's no way this stuff can - it is
very weak.


I suspect it has a minimum cure temperature and it is too cold.

I'd still prefer something along the lines of traditional lime mortar
mix for a moving? crack (and the slaked lime is supplied wet in tubs).
Quicklime these days is a bit too dangerous...

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On 27/02/2015 16:41, Jeff Layman wrote:
Anybody here used it?
http://www.screwfix.com/p/ronseal-ex...ey-1-2kg/71739


I don't know if I had a dodgy tub of it or was using it incorrectly, but
it has no strength at all. I had a 50 cm crack in some Tyrolean render,
about 2 or 3 mm wide and 5 mm deep. I thought I'd give the Ronseal
filler a go, forcing it into the crack and leaving it with rough peaks 1
- 4 mm high to give it the appearance of the render. It seemed to dry
ok, and a couple of days later I tried to paint it using the same colour
masonry paint as the rest of the render. Dabbing the paintbrush to get
the paint into all\ the crevices caused a lot of the Ronseal peaks to
break off. Mess everywhere.

Ronseal claim it can be drilled. There's no way this stuff can - it is
very weak.


There's a load of these ready mixed lightweight fillers in tubs, usually
based on microspheres. They need very little water to make them
workable, so they dry quickly and don't shrink. However, IME they stay
as soft as sh*t, and would be pretty much useless as an external filler.

IIRC TMH uses one such (One Shot?) and I can see how that might be
useful for paint jobs, but no way would it hold a fixing
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On 27/02/15 17:10, JimK wrote:
Was it too cold for it to go off properly?

Jim K


I don't know. I did the job early Tuesday afternoon. It was around 9 deg
C, and a bit overcast. There was a very short shower about 15 minutes
after I finished, but not in the direction of the wall it was on, which
is south facing. I checked, and there were no grey runs or drips. I
think there was a frost that night.

But according to Ronseal it dries in 1 - 2 hours, so it should have
hardened by then.

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On 27/02/2015 17:37, stuart noble wrote:
On 27/02/2015 16:41, Jeff Layman wrote:
Anybody here used it?
http://www.screwfix.com/p/ronseal-ex...ey-1-2kg/71739



I don't know if I had a dodgy tub of it or was using it incorrectly, but
it has no strength at all. I had a 50 cm crack in some Tyrolean render,
about 2 or 3 mm wide and 5 mm deep. I thought I'd give the Ronseal
filler a go, forcing it into the crack and leaving it with rough peaks 1
- 4 mm high to give it the appearance of the render. It seemed to dry
ok, and a couple of days later I tried to paint it using the same colour
masonry paint as the rest of the render. Dabbing the paintbrush to get
the paint into all\ the crevices caused a lot of the Ronseal peaks to
break off. Mess everywhere.

Ronseal claim it can be drilled. There's no way this stuff can - it is
very weak.


There's a load of these ready mixed lightweight fillers in tubs, usually
based on microspheres. They need very little water to make them
workable, so they dry quickly and don't shrink. However, IME they stay
as soft as sh*t, and would be pretty much useless as an external filler.

IIRC TMH uses one such (One Shot?) and I can see how that might be
useful for paint jobs, but no way would it hold a fixing


Very, very useful for unstressed gaps, but useless to hold anything at all.

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/But according to Ronseal it dries in 1 - 2 hours, so it should have
hardened by then./q

From your own link it says "touch dry in 1-2 hours" .........

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On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 4:41:44 PM UTC, Jeff Layman wrote:
Anybody here used it?
http://www.screwfix.com/p/ronseal-ex...ey-1-2kg/71739

I don't know if I had a dodgy tub of it or was using it incorrectly, but
it has no strength at all. I had a 50 cm crack in some Tyrolean render,
about 2 or 3 mm wide and 5 mm deep. I thought I'd give the Ronseal
filler a go, forcing it into the crack and leaving it with rough peaks 1
- 4 mm high to give it the appearance of the render. It seemed to dry
ok, and a couple of days later I tried to paint it using the same colour
masonry paint as the rest of the render. Dabbing the paintbrush to get
the paint into all\ the crevices caused a lot of the Ronseal peaks to
break off. Mess everywhere.

Ronseal claim it can be drilled. There's no way this stuff can - it is
very weak.


I'd probably use sand & cement 3:1. Bear in mind it will have no strength whatever until days of curing, and it needs damp to cure. Epoxy mortar would be better but presumably unnecessary.


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On 27/02/15 21:27, JimK wrote:
/But according to Ronseal it dries in 1 - 2 hours, so it should have
hardened by then./q

From your own link it says "touch dry in 1-2 hours" .........

Jim K


LoL!

I didn't check the Screwfix link I gave, and the tub was in the garage.
What I did quote was Ronseal's own info: "Dry in 1 - 2 hours"!
http://www.ronseal.co.uk/products/ex...-finish-filler

Ronseal helpfully add "NEED MORE INFO? Look on the back of the tin".

I just looked on the tub. What is says is "Surface is dry in 1 - 2
hours". There is a note to "Drying time is approximately 1 - 2 hours
depending on size and depth of hole. Cold and damp conditions may extend
dry time".

I'd given it at least 48 hours to dry. Maybe if exposed to frost before
it dries completely that will damage it, and it will never set hard.
But I reckon a 2-part epoxy mix would be better.

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On 28/02/2015 09:57, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 27/02/15 21:27, JimK wrote:
/But according to Ronseal it dries in 1 - 2 hours, so it should have
hardened by then./q

From your own link it says "touch dry in 1-2 hours" .........

Jim K


LoL!

I didn't check the Screwfix link I gave, and the tub was in the garage.
What I did quote was Ronseal's own info: "Dry in 1 - 2 hours"!
http://www.ronseal.co.uk/products/ex...-finish-filler


Ronseal helpfully add "NEED MORE INFO? Look on the back of the tin".

I just looked on the tub. What is says is "Surface is dry in 1 - 2
hours". There is a note to "Drying time is approximately 1 - 2 hours
depending on size and depth of hole. Cold and damp conditions may extend
dry time".

I'd given it at least 48 hours to dry. Maybe if exposed to frost before
it dries completely that will damage it, and it will never set hard. But
I reckon a 2-part epoxy mix would be better.


Or Toolstation's Profil 2 part polyester. A bit gloopy for my liking but
certainly sets rock hard
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