Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:55:47 +0100, Mr Pounder wrote:

"Capitol" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:
wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:

So it is not really a viable and practical means of transport.

Careful, being truthful will get you all sorts of abuse!

This is a very polite group which is only spoilt by organ donors
posting to it.



There, corrected that for you!

I stand corrected.

No need.
"Bicyclists" and "organ donors" have no connection with each other.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:27:30 +0100, Capitol wrote:

Bod wrote:
On 25/08/2014 15:55, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 25/08/2014 14:24, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 25/08/2014 10:17, Capitol wrote:
Peter Keller wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:40:36 +0100, Uncle Peter wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:21:46 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 23/08/2014 20:45, Uncle Peter wrote:




Then compare walking with cycling.

No. Because it's comfortable to run.

The percussive effect of running on ones knees suggest to me
and most others that is not the case.

Or don't you have knees?

Then why do so many people run for exercise?

Because runners look less of a tit than cyclists.

If cyclists wear everyday clothes like jeans and tshirt, they
look quite normal. But a hi-vis jacket, a helmet, and shorts
designed to castrate you, do look very silly indeed.

Agreed. Bicycling is a very good everyday means of transport.

If you like getting wet.

Only if you don't wear appropriate wet weather clothes, the same
goes for motorcyclists.


I've done both, you still get wet.

I too have done both, but now I've retired I only cycle in dry
weather.
If it's wet, I'll use the car.

So it is not really a viable and practical means of transport.


If you don't don't mind getting wet, of course it is.

Of course it is. So what would you say to the people who have a bicycle
as their *only* form of transport? There are many.



Top Gear answered your question. Work harder and get a car!

No thanks.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:24:45 +0100, Mr Pounder wrote:

"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 25/08/2014 15:55, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 25/08/2014 14:24, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 25/08/2014 10:17, Capitol wrote:
Peter Keller wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:40:36 +0100, Uncle Peter wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:21:46 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 23/08/2014 20:45, Uncle Peter wrote:




Then compare walking with cycling.

No. Because it's comfortable to run.

The percussive effect of running on ones knees suggest to me
and most others that is not the case.

Or don't you have knees?

Then why do so many people run for exercise?

Because runners look less of a tit than cyclists.

If cyclists wear everyday clothes like jeans and tshirt, they
look quite normal. But a hi-vis jacket, a helmet, and shorts
designed to castrate you, do look very silly indeed.

Agreed. Bicycling is a very good everyday means of transport.

If you like getting wet.

Only if you don't wear appropriate wet weather clothes, the same
goes for motorcyclists.


I've done both, you still get wet.

I too have done both, but now I've retired I only cycle in dry
weather.
If it's wet, I'll use the car.

So it is not really a viable and practical means of transport.


Of course it is. So what would you say to the many people who have a
bicycle as their *only* form of transport?

I would say that it is not really a viable and practical means of
transport.
The fact that you do not cycle in the rain supports this.





It is very viable.
And I do ride a bicycle in the rain.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:03:17 +0100, Mr Pounder wrote:

"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 25/08/2014 17:24, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 25/08/2014 15:55, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 25/08/2014 14:24, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 25/08/2014 10:17, Capitol wrote:
Peter Keller wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:40:36 +0100, Uncle Peter wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:21:46 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 23/08/2014 20:45, Uncle Peter wrote:




Then compare walking with cycling.

No. Because it's comfortable to run.

The percussive effect of running on ones knees suggest to
me and most others that is not the case.

Or don't you have knees?

Then why do so many people run for exercise?

Because runners look less of a tit than cyclists.

If cyclists wear everyday clothes like jeans and tshirt, they
look quite normal. But a hi-vis jacket, a helmet, and shorts
designed to castrate you, do look very silly indeed.

Agreed. Bicycling is a very good everyday means of transport.

If you like getting wet.

Only if you don't wear appropriate wet weather clothes, the same
goes for motorcyclists.


I've done both, you still get wet.

I too have done both, but now I've retired I only cycle in dry
weather.
If it's wet, I'll use the car.

So it is not really a viable and practical means of transport.


Of course it is. So what would you say to the many people who have a
bicycle as their *only* form of transport?

I would say that it is not really a viable and practical means of
transport.
The fact that you do not cycle in the rain supports this.


I wasn't talking for other people, just my preference. I also choose to
have a car, many choose not to have a car.

Are you really suggesting that apart from yourself other cyclepaths
actually like to ride in the ****ing down rain?
I would dispute your statement that "many choose not to have a car".




Yes.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 09:26, Peter Keller wrote:

No need.
"Bicyclists" and "organ donors" have no connection with each other.

There is, presumably, a reason why London Ambulance service operational
staff have been known to refer to cyclists as pedal powered organ
donors. Possibly apart from the death rate on the capital's roads?

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 10:11, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2014 09:26, Peter Keller wrote:

No need.
"Bicyclists" and "organ donors" have no connection with each other.

There is, presumably, a reason why London Ambulance service operational
staff have been known to refer to cyclists as pedal powered organ
donors. Possibly apart from the death rate on the capital's roads?

That does not compute.

"Car occupants comprised by far the largest category of road-user
casualties in 2009 - 12,046, or 43 percent - so in one sense it is they
rather than pedestrians or two-wheel travellers who are at the greatest
risk."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehi...ham-forst-blog

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 10:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 10:11, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2014 09:26, Peter Keller wrote:

No need.
"Bicyclists" and "organ donors" have no connection with each other.

There is, presumably, a reason why London Ambulance service operational
staff have been known to refer to cyclists as pedal powered organ
donors. Possibly apart from the death rate on the capital's roads?

That does not compute.

"Car occupants comprised by far the largest category of road-user
casualties in 2009 - 12,046, or 43 percent - so in one sense it is they
rather than pedestrians or two-wheel travellers who are at the greatest
risk."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehi...ham-forst-blog


Now compare the number of drivers and the distance they travel per year
with the number of cyclists and how far *they* travel per year, and
generate your own figure for the number of fatalities and injuries per
mile travelled. Then compare the number of pedestrian casualties per
year per thousand pedestrians against the number of cyclist casualties
per year per thousand.

You will find that it is far more dangerous to cycle in London than use
any other mode of transport. This is the main reason I refuse to cycle
in London.

I just love statistics, if you twist them enough, you can "prove" just
about anything. On the other hand, understanding the figures lets you
form a true idea of the problem.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 10:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 10:11, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2014 09:26, Peter Keller wrote:

No need.
"Bicyclists" and "organ donors" have no connection with each other.

There is, presumably, a reason why London Ambulance service operational
staff have been known to refer to cyclists as pedal powered organ
donors. Possibly apart from the death rate on the capital's roads?

That does not compute.

"Car occupants comprised by far the largest category of road-user
casualties in 2009 - 12,046, or 43 percent - so in one sense it is they
rather than pedestrians or two-wheel travellers who are at the greatest
risk."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehi...ham-forst-blog


And while we're at it, from the same article:-

"Pedal cyclist casualties [of all severities] showed a 14% increase in
inner London, and a 16% increase in outer London."

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 11:39, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2014 10:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 10:11, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2014 09:26, Peter Keller wrote:

No need.
"Bicyclists" and "organ donors" have no connection with each other.

There is, presumably, a reason why London Ambulance service operational
staff have been known to refer to cyclists as pedal powered organ
donors. Possibly apart from the death rate on the capital's roads?

That does not compute.

"Car occupants comprised by far the largest category of road-user
casualties in 2009 - 12,046, or 43 percent - so in one sense it is they
rather than pedestrians or two-wheel travellers who are at the greatest
risk."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehi...ham-forst-blog



And while we're at it, from the same article:-

"Pedal cyclist casualties [of all severities] showed a 14% increase in
inner London, and a 16% increase in outer London."

Yes, but there has been a very large take up of cycling in London over
the last couple of years. I would assume that a fair proportion of those
are newbies to cycling in such a congested city and hence inexperienced.
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 12:08, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 11:39, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2014 10:59, Bod wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehi...ham-forst-blog

And while we're at it, from the same article:-

"Pedal cyclist casualties [of all severities] showed a 14% increase in
inner London, and a 16% increase in outer London."

Yes, but there has been a very large take up of cycling in London over
the last couple of years. I would assume that a fair proportion of those
are newbies to cycling in such a congested city and hence inexperienced.
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

Which may be the first admission I've ever seen in this debate that a
cyclist could *possibly* be at fault in any incident involving one.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

In message , John Williamson
writes
On 26/08/2014 12:08, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 11:39, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2014 10:59, Bod wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehi...transport-for-
london-road-safety-statistics-crap-cycling-waltham-forst-blog

And while we're at it, from the same article:-

"Pedal cyclist casualties [of all severities] showed a 14% increase in
inner London, and a 16% increase in outer London."

Yes, but there has been a very large take up of cycling in London over
the last couple of years. I would assume that a fair proportion of those
are newbies to cycling in such a congested city and hence inexperienced.
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

Which may be the first admission I've ever seen in this debate that a
cyclist could *possibly* be at fault in any incident involving one.

Hmm.. I was knocked off my bike by a lorry. Age 16, 7.20am, straight
road.

Long while before tacho limits or mobile phones so the driver probably
nodded off. He edged me into the kerb and I bounced off each of the rope
tie hooks and fell into the road behind him. Too shocked to get a
registration so he never knew!


--
Tim Lamb

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 14:23, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John Williamson
writes
On 26/08/2014 12:08, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 11:39, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2014 10:59, Bod wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehi...transport-for-
london-road-safety-statistics-crap-cycling-waltham-forst-blog

And while we're at it, from the same article:-

"Pedal cyclist casualties [of all severities] showed a 14% increase in
inner London, and a 16% increase in outer London."

Yes, but there has been a very large take up of cycling in London over
the last couple of years. I would assume that a fair proportion of those
are newbies to cycling in such a congested city and hence inexperienced.
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

Which may be the first admission I've ever seen in this debate that a
cyclist could *possibly* be at fault in any incident involving one.

Hmm.. I was knocked off my bike by a lorry. Age 16, 7.20am, straight road.

Long while before tacho limits or mobile phones so the driver probably
nodded off. He edged me into the kerb and I bounced off each of the rope
tie hooks and fell into the road behind him. Too shocked to get a
registration so he never knew!

And in this way, normality in the cycle debate is restored. *This*
accident wasn't the cyclist's fault, therefore, *no* accident can
possibly be even partly the cyclist's fault. Sigh


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

We were talking about pedal powered organ donors.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 17:17, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

We were talking about pedal powered organ donors.

My word, you do latch on quick.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

In message , John Williamson
writes
Which may be the first admission I've ever seen in this debate that a
cyclist could *possibly* be at fault in any incident involving one.

Hmm.. I was knocked off my bike by a lorry. Age 16, 7.20am, straight road.

Long while before tacho limits or mobile phones so the driver probably
nodded off. He edged me into the kerb and I bounced off each of the rope
tie hooks and fell into the road behind him. Too shocked to get a
registration so he never knew!

And in this way, normality in the cycle debate is restored. *This*
accident wasn't the cyclist's fault, therefore, *no* accident can
possibly be even partly the cyclist's fault. Sigh

To revert to normality, there was nearly a requirement for blues and
twos in North London last Wednesday.

Overtaking a girl travelling at walking pace on a bike down the steep
bit of Archway road. For no apparent reason (no pothole/drain cover,
dead pedestrian etc.) she suddenly swerved in front of the car and then
back on track. Maybe her phone rang? ABS saved the tyre rubber but
didn't do my blood pressure much good.



--
Tim Lamb

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 09:26, Peter Keller wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:55:47 +0100, Mr Pounder wrote:

"Capitol" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:
wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:

So it is not really a viable and practical means of transport.

Careful, being truthful will get you all sorts of abuse!

This is a very polite group which is only spoilt by organ donors
posting to it.



There, corrected that for you!

I stand corrected.

No need.
"Bicyclists" and "organ donors" have no connection with each other.

They do according to London Ambulance paramedics.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 10:11, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2014 09:26, Peter Keller wrote:

No need.
"Bicyclists" and "organ donors" have no connection with each other.

There is, presumably, a reason why London Ambulance service operational
staff have been known to refer to cyclists as pedal powered organ
donors. Possibly apart from the death rate on the capital's roads?

Thats how my daughter refers to them.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases, effectively
carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 18:39, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from
any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases, effectively
carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

How does that help to compensate a person injured by a cyclist?

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 19:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:39, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from
any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases, effectively
carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

How does that help to compensate a person injured by a cyclist?

Did I say it did?

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 19:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bod
wrote:

On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries
who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back
from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases,
effectively carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

What's that got to do with insurance? Cyclists should have this for
when they knock over or into pedestrians and other things.

I wouldn't argue with that. It should be compulsory.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 09:24, Peter Keller wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:26:38 +0100, Mr Pounder wrote:

wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:

So it is not really a viable and practical means of transport.

Careful, being truthful will get you all sorts of abuse!

This is a very polite group which is only spoilt by cyclists posting to
it.

Is that why it is called uk.rec.cycling?

And not "uk.rec.cyclists", you will note.

What sort of poster do you reckon a newsgroup called
"uk.politics.fracking" would largely call into being?

Mainly oil exploration engineers? Or a different group of people with a
different view of things?

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 14:23, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John Williamson
writes
On 26/08/2014 12:08, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 11:39, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2014 10:59, Bod wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehi...transport-for-
london-road-safety-statistics-crap-cycling-waltham-forst-blog

And while we're at it, from the same article:-

"Pedal cyclist casualties [of all severities] showed a 14% increase in
inner London, and a 16% increase in outer London."

Yes, but there has been a very large take up of cycling in London over
the last couple of years. I would assume that a fair proportion of those
are newbies to cycling in such a congested city and hence inexperienced.
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

Which may be the first admission I've ever seen in this debate that a
cyclist could *possibly* be at fault in any incident involving one.

Hmm.. I was knocked off my bike by a lorry. Age 16, 7.20am, straight road.

Long while before tacho limits or mobile phones so the driver probably
nodded off.

What a compelling exposition of the evidence.

You've certainly convinced me.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 14:23, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John Williamson
writes
On 26/08/2014 12:08, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 11:39, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2014 10:59, Bod wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehi...transport-for-
london-road-safety-statistics-crap-cycling-waltham-forst-blog

And while we're at it, from the same article:-

"Pedal cyclist casualties [of all severities] showed a 14% increase in
inner London, and a 16% increase in outer London."

Yes, but there has been a very large take up of cycling in London over
the last couple of years. I would assume that a fair proportion of those
are newbies to cycling in such a congested city and hence inexperienced.
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

Which may be the first admission I've ever seen in this debate that a
cyclist could *possibly* be at fault in any incident involving one.

Hmm.. I was knocked off my bike by a lorry. Age 16, 7.20am, straight road.

Long while before tacho limits or mobile phones so the driver probably
nodded off. He edged me into the kerb and I bounced off each of the rope
tie hooks and fell into the road behind him. Too shocked to get a
registration so he never knew!

And you reckon he drove on, who knows where, fast asleep?

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 18:39, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from
any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases, effectively
carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

Are you under the mistaken impression that insurance premiums are
related to the nominal emissions for the model of car?

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 26/08/2014 19:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bod
wrote:

On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries
who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back
from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases,
effectively carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

What's that got to do with insurance? Cyclists should have this for
when they knock over or into pedestrians and other things.

I wouldn't argue with that. It should be compulsory.

Agreed!
Of course you carry such insurance.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 19:29, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 19:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:39, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries
who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from
any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases, effectively
carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

How does that help to compensate a person injured by a cyclist?

Did I say it did?

You replied to a post about insurance, so it would be logical to assume
that your reply encompassed insurance.

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On 26/08/2014 19:56, Mr Pounder wrote:
8

What's that got to do with insurance? Cyclists should have this for
when they knock over or into pedestrians and other things.

I wouldn't argue with that. It should be compulsory.

Agreed!
Of course you carry such insurance.




My household insurance covers cycles and third party claims while cycling.
I expect that a lot of them do.

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On 26/08/2014 19:39, JNugent wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:39, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from
any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases, effectively
carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

Are you under the mistaken impression that insurance premiums are
related to the nominal emissions for the model of car?


Road tax is which sort of makes a lot of motorists claim that they pay
tax but cyclists don't as stupid as they are.
Any car with low emissions is road tax free too.

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On 26/08/2014 20:09, Dennis@home wrote:
On 26/08/2014 19:56, Mr Pounder wrote:
8

What's that got to do with insurance? Cyclists should have this for
when they knock over or into pedestrians and other things.

I wouldn't argue with that. It should be compulsory.

Agreed!
Of course you carry such insurance.




My household insurance covers cycles and third party claims while cycling.
I expect that a lot of them do.

25 percent of homes do not have such insurance.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 20:12, Dennis@home wrote:
On 26/08/2014 19:39, JNugent wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:39, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from
any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases, effectively
carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

Are you under the mistaken impression that insurance premiums are
related to the nominal emissions for the model of car?


Road tax is which sort of makes a lot of motorists claim that they pay
tax but cyclists don't as stupid as they are.
Any car with low emissions is road tax free too.

Cyclist mode on What is this 'Road Tax' ?

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 20:18, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 26/08/2014 20:12, Dennis@home wrote:

Road tax is which sort of makes a lot of motorists claim that they pay
tax but cyclists don't as stupid as they are.
Any car with low emissions is road tax free too.

Cyclist mode on What is this 'Road Tax' ?

He means Vehicle Excise Duty. Originally introduced to help pay off a
war debt, under the guise of paying for road improvements and maintenance.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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On 26/08/2014 19:39, JNugent wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:39, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from
any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases, effectively
carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

Are you under the mistaken impression that insurance premiums are
related to the nominal emissions for the model of car?

No.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 19:56, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 26/08/2014 19:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bod
wrote:

On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries
who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back
from any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases,
effectively carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

What's that got to do with insurance? Cyclists should have this for
when they knock over or into pedestrians and other things.

I wouldn't argue with that. It should be compulsory.

Agreed!
Of course you carry such insurance.


No, like any vehicle, insurance is not required on private land.
I only cycle on private land now.
Besides, Cycle insurance is not compulsory on cycles at the moment.

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On 26/08/2014 20:05, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 26/08/2014 19:29, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 19:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:39, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries
who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from
any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases, effectively
carbon free by comparison to motorised vehicles.

How does that help to compensate a person injured by a cyclist?

Did I say it did?

You replied to a post about insurance, so it would be logical to assume
that your reply encompassed insurance.

Cycle insurance is not compulsory on bicycles, but I think it should be.

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 18:39, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 18:32, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:59, Bod wrote:
On 26/08/2014 16:50, Capitol wrote:
Bod wrote:
Stupid mistakes like turning left on the inside of large lorries who
were also turning left. An experienced cyclist would hang back from
any
lorries......Darwin strikes again :-)

There you are, an organ donor!

Yes, but the same could be said of young inexperienced car drivers.
Their accident rate is disproportionally high, hence the silly money
they have to fork out for car insurance.

As opposed to the zero money forked out by cyclists.

True, but cyclists don't belch out poisonous exhaust gases,

They fart a lot....


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Bicycle, crash hat and accident
 

On 26/08/2014 20:12, Dennis@home wrote:



Road tax is which sort of makes a lot of motorists claim that they pay
tax but cyclists don't as stupid as they are.

Can we have that in English please?

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk