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My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling
goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. Bought a Wi-Fi range extender from Lidl. It has three modes:- 1) Repeater. Picks up the existing Wi-Fi signal and re-transmits it. 2) Access Point. Gives Wi-Fi from a LAN etc with no Wi-Fi of its own. 3) Client. Connects devices which are network enabled to Wi-Fi. I'd like to situate it where existing Wi-Fi coverage is marginal - to give the best results at the top of the house. I have the cable LAN to there. The instructions ain't clear if 1) will use a cable feed if present - the LAN present light does come on in that mode. Any reason why I can't use 2 ? -- *Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 10:45:37 AM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. Bought a Wi-Fi range extender from Lidl. It has three modes:- 1) Repeater. Picks up the existing Wi-Fi signal and re-transmits it. 2) Access Point. Gives Wi-Fi from a LAN etc with no Wi-Fi of its own. 3) Client. Connects devices which are network enabled to Wi-Fi. I'd like to situate it where existing Wi-Fi coverage is marginal - to give the best results at the top of the house. I have the cable LAN to there. The instructions ain't clear if 1) will use a cable feed if present - the LAN present light does come on in that mode. Any reason why I can't use 2 ? Only the fact the instructions ain't good. I'm no expert on this stuff, but it may mean having a separate SSID etc, and you may want the channels either to match or not to match. Probably a quick Google on the make and model will find you some more user friendly instruction.. Ciao Chris |
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On 16/07/14 10:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. Bought a Wi-Fi range extender from Lidl. It has three modes:- 1) Repeater. Picks up the existing Wi-Fi signal and re-transmits it. 2) Access Point. Gives Wi-Fi from a LAN etc with no Wi-Fi of its own. 3) Client. Connects devices which are network enabled to Wi-Fi. I'd like to situate it where existing Wi-Fi coverage is marginal - to give the best results at the top of the house. I have the cable LAN to there. The instructions ain't clear if 1) will use a cable feed if present - the LAN present light does come on in that mode. Any reason why I can't use 2 ? 2 is what you should use. I.e. broadcast from a LAN but not relay via wifi. The accepted practice is to move it to a (radically) different wifi channel from the main box and then use exactly the same authentication. This is supposed to mean that dumb clients just have the one config and use whatever signal is strongest. -- Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:45:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. Bought a Wi-Fi range extender from Lidl. It has three modes:- 1) Repeater. Picks up the existing Wi-Fi signal and re-transmits it. 2) Access Point. Gives Wi-Fi from a LAN etc with no Wi-Fi of its own. 3) Client. Connects devices which are network enabled to Wi-Fi. I'd like to situate it where existing Wi-Fi coverage is marginal - to give the best results at the top of the house. I have the cable LAN to there. The instructions ain't clear if 1) will use a cable feed if present - the LAN present light does come on in that mode. Any reason why I can't use 2 ? -- *Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. I've done second access point and WiFi repeater. With access point mode I gave it a different Sid name and let it sort out the channel itself. I prefer the repeater mode, using same Sid and channel. You have to wire it initially to set it up but once done you can put it anywhere. |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:45:37 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
1) Repeater. Picks up the existing Wi-Fi signal and re-transmits it. And knocks throughput in half in the process, only one thing can talk at a time... 2) Access Point. Gives Wi-Fi from a LAN etc with no Wi-Fi of its own. That sentance contradicts itself. An "Access Point" is what you need placed on the wired LAN in the best place to give good RF coverage in the places you want. 3) Client. Connects devices which are network enabled to Wi-Fi. That might be some form of "bridge" mode. A device (printer, PC, WHY) that has an ethernet port plugs into this box and can then connect to the WiFi access point provided by something else. Any reason why I can't use 2 ? No I think that's what you want and turn off the WiFi on the basement router if you don't need it. WiFi has some form of basic "hand over" but I don't think it's very clever ie the access points don't talk to each other to arrange a seamless hand over. I thinks it's just signal strength based, and disconnect from one AP, econnect to another. I suspect that both APs have to have the same SSID and channel allocation but don't know that. GIYF... -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 16/07/2014 11:12, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:45:37 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: 2) Access Point. Gives Wi-Fi from a LAN etc with no Wi-Fi of its own. That sentence contradicts itself. An "Access Point" is what you need placed on the wired LAN in the best place to give good RF coverage in the places you want. I think that's what it means, but isn't worded very well. I think it means that it uses a LAN connection to create a WiFi hot-spot, but doesn't receive a WiFi signal per se. 3) Client. Connects devices which are network enabled to Wi-Fi. That might be some form of "bridge" mode. A device (printer, PC, WHY) that has an ethernet port plugs into this box and can then connect to the WiFi access point provided by something else. Yes, indeed. I used a similar device (branded Tenda) to connect my PVR to my network, so that I can use it to access iPlayer and to transfer files to and fro to my computer. [The PVR has an ethernet connection but no built-in WiFi] Sadly, the WiFi signal from my router wasn't strong enough at the PVR location for it to work reliably, so I resorted to using power-line adapters instead. [Wash your mouth out, Roger!] Any reason why I can't use 2 ? No I think that's what you want and turn off the WiFi on the basement router if you don't need it. WiFi has some form of basic "hand over" but I don't think it's very clever ie the access points don't talk to each other to arrange a seamless hand over. I thinks it's just signal strength based, and disconnect from one AP, econnect to another. I suspect that both APs have to have the same SSID and channel allocation but don't know that. GIYF... Mode 2 is fine. I'm now using my Tenda device in that mode in order to provide WiFi to places where I have ethernet but where the router's WiFi signal isn't very strong. In my case, I'm using a totally different SSID and passphrase from that used by the router. It means that portable devices need to remember 2 different setups, but you only have to do that once. It also means that if you move a portable device from one area to another, you have to turn WiFi off and on again so that it finds the other access point. That's not really too much hassle - and at least then, I know what I'm connected to. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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Lawrence wrote: I've done second access point and WiFi repeater. With access point mode I gave it a different Sid name and let it sort out the channel itself. I prefer the repeater mode, using same Sid and channel. You have to wire it initially to set it up but once done you can put it anywhere. Mr Liquorice reckons in repeater mode:- And knocks throughput in half in the process, only one thing can talk at a time... I take it you've not noticed any difference? -- *A closed mouth gathers no feet. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:45:37 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. Bought a Wi-Fi range extender from Lidl. It has three modes:- 1) Repeater. Picks up the existing Wi-Fi signal and re-transmits it. 2) Access Point. Gives Wi-Fi from a LAN etc with no Wi-Fi of its own. 3) Client. Connects devices which are network enabled to Wi-Fi. I'd like to situate it where existing Wi-Fi coverage is marginal - to give the best results at the top of the house. I have the cable LAN to there. The instructions ain't clear if 1) will use a cable feed if present - the LAN present light does come on in that mode. Any reason why I can't use 2 ? Sounds like 2 is what you're wanting to do. If it's anything like the piece of crap ZyXEL extender that is about to be relegated to a drawer here, though, you'd be better getting a wireless cable router to do the job, preferably one of the Netgear Linux-based ones that you can upload aftermarket firmware onto. |
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Adrian wrote: If it's anything like the piece of crap ZyXEL extender that is about to be relegated to a drawer here, though, you'd be better getting a wireless cable router to do the job, preferably one of the Netgear Linux-based ones that you can upload aftermarket firmware onto. Seems to be working just fine and comes with the usual Lidl 3 year money back warranty. So the receipt has gone into safe storage. But if it's like most things Lidl, won't be needed. It was fairly pricey for something the size of a wall wart at 25 quid, but appears to do what it says on the tin. -- *Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 14:47:29 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
If it's anything like the piece of crap ZyXEL extender that is about to be relegated to a drawer here, though, you'd be better getting a wireless cable router to do the job, preferably one of the Netgear Linux-based ones that you can upload aftermarket firmware onto. Seems to be working just fine and comes with the usual Lidl 3 year money back warranty. So the receipt has gone into safe storage. But if it's like most things Lidl, won't be needed. It was fairly pricey for something the size of a wall wart at 25 quid, but appears to do what it says on the tin. Yes, that's about the same as this ZyXEL. Until it gets powered off for more than about five minutes - at which point, it loses all the settings. And it's a PITA to set up. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Seems to be working just fine Which mode are you using it in? I have a Lidl range extender, and have been unable to set it up in mode 1 (as a WiFi extender). -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland |
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Yes it much depends on whether its got to be seemless or is allowed to lose
one and find another on a different channel group as one moves about the areas. I suppose one could just put a suitably long lead of good coax on the aerial socket of the router and stuff the aerial higher up. Of course if its one of thaose grotty hub things with no sockets and aerials inside the router, then you are sunk on that one. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active wrote in message ... On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 10:45:37 AM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. Bought a Wi-Fi range extender from Lidl. It has three modes:- 1) Repeater. Picks up the existing Wi-Fi signal and re-transmits it. 2) Access Point. Gives Wi-Fi from a LAN etc with no Wi-Fi of its own. 3) Client. Connects devices which are network enabled to Wi-Fi. I'd like to situate it where existing Wi-Fi coverage is marginal - to give the best results at the top of the house. I have the cable LAN to there. The instructions ain't clear if 1) will use a cable feed if present - the LAN present light does come on in that mode. Any reason why I can't use 2 ? Only the fact the instructions ain't good. I'm no expert on this stuff, but it may mean having a separate SSID etc, and you may want the channels either to match or not to match. Probably a quick Google on the make and model will find you some more user friendly instruction.. Ciao Chris |
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Timothy Murphy wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Seems to be working just fine Which mode are you using it in? I have a Lidl range extender, and have been unable to set it up in mode 1 (as a WiFi extender). Yes - that's what I found too if trying to do it using the WPS button on it and the WPS one on my BT router. Plug it into your computer after switching off the computer Wi-Fi connection to your LAN. Your PC should then find it. Then follow the instructions. It then worked here as a Wi-Fi extender. But I wanted to situate mine on the edge of my existing Wi-Fi signal, so preferred to use the cable input. -- *Sorry, I don't date outside my species. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 16/07/2014 10:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. Bought a Wi-Fi range extender from Lidl. It has three modes:- 1) Repeater. Picks up the existing Wi-Fi signal and re-transmits it. 2) Access Point. Gives Wi-Fi from a LAN etc with no Wi-Fi of its own. 3) Client. Connects devices which are network enabled to Wi-Fi. I'd like to situate it where existing Wi-Fi coverage is marginal - to give the best results at the top of the house. I have the cable LAN to there. The instructions ain't clear if 1) will use a cable feed if present - the LAN present light does come on in that mode. Any reason why I can't use 2 ? Anyone wanting to go a step beyond Lidl extender could look at this: https://www.cloudtrax.com/ -- Rod |
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"polygonum" wrote in message ... On 16/07/2014 10:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. Bought a Wi-Fi range extender from Lidl. It has three modes:- 1) Repeater. Picks up the existing Wi-Fi signal and re-transmits it. 2) Access Point. Gives Wi-Fi from a LAN etc with no Wi-Fi of its own. 3) Client. Connects devices which are network enabled to Wi-Fi. I'd like to situate it where existing Wi-Fi coverage is marginal - to give the best results at the top of the house. I have the cable LAN to there. The instructions ain't clear if 1) will use a cable feed if present - the LAN present light does come on in that mode. Any reason why I can't use 2 ? Anyone wanting to go a step beyond Lidl extender could look at this: https://www.cloudtrax.com/ Talk about a **** house web site... |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:45:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. Bought a Wi-Fi range extender from Lidl. It has three modes:- 1) Repeater. Picks up the existing Wi-Fi signal and re-transmits it. 2) Access Point. Gives Wi-Fi from a LAN etc with no Wi-Fi of its own. I'm guessing you mean a LAN with no existing WiFi enabled router. 3) Client. Connects devices which are network enabled to Wi-Fi. I'd like to situate it where existing Wi-Fi coverage is marginal - to give the best results at the top of the house. I have the cable LAN to there. The instructions ain't clear if 1) will use a cable feed if present - the LAN present light does come on in that mode. Any reason why I can't use 2 ? No reason. That's just how you should set it up. Give it its own SSD and channel. You can use the same passphrase if you like (if it's a longish but memorable one, it'll make it easier to connect your WiFi enabled devices to it). You could try using the same SSID and passphrase but this seems to me to be a recipe for confusion even without sharing the same channel. Sharing the same channel will exacerbate co-channel interference between them in locations of signal overlap. I'm using a cheap, throw away, LinkSys WRT45GW (the crappy one that you can't install the ddrt firmware to) as an AP. It's just a case of setting it up to use a unique IP address in the same range as your existing LAN, plugging one of it's lan ports into your existing router or ethernet switch, disabling its own DHCP service[1] and configuring the WiFi to suit your requirements (the wan port is left unused in this case). Ignoring the wan port on a WiFi router being used to provide an additional WiFi AP works because the WiFi AP part of the router is effectively just hanging off of one of the six lan ports of the ethernet switch integrated into your 4 port router. You only see the 4 exposed lan ports, the other two are internally connected to the router itself and the integrated AP. The internal connections won't necessarily be wired as ethernet connections, more likely as a pair of simple single serial data line PCB tracks between the chips or perhaps even within a single router/ethernet switch chip (the WiFi AP will most likely be a seperate chip, or at least the transciever bit handling the wireless signals will be). The point is, topologically, a WiFi capable 4 port router is indistinguishable from a single port router hanging off of a 6 port ethernet switch with a seperate WiFi AP hanging off one of the other ports of the switch. The only integration as such is down to the webmin interface in the router that also allows you to program the WiFi module as well as itself. AFAIK, pretty well all wifi routers can be used as simple WiFi APs which can save you money if you already have a spare or retired WiFi router to hand. [1] You'll need to directly connect a PC or laptop to one of its lan ports in order to log onto its webmin page (normally the same as the gateway address) in order to configure the wifi and change its IP address and then disable its DHCP service before connecting it to your LAN. If it all goes tits up and you end up with a "Catch 22"(c) situation, it's a simple enough task to reset it back to its factory default configuration and try again. It's been that long since I set the Linksys up as an AP, I can't recall its IP address in order to access its webmin pages. Still, I'm sure I could discover the IP address if I really put my mind to it. :-) -- J B Good |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:05:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: On 16/07/14 10:52, wrote: it may mean having a separate SSID etc, and you may want the channels either to match or not to match. Most people recommend same SSID and wildly different channel. It certainly is not a good idea to be on the same channel. And, if your neighbours use wifi, then you might find difficulty finding any free channels. I'd run network cables everywhere. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around (")_(") is he still wrong? |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 09:05:54 +0100, Mark wrote:
And, if your neighbours use wifi, then you might find difficulty finding any free channels. Our wifi doesn't even manage to reach the whole house - there's roughly zero risk of next door's interfering! |
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Mark wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:05:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 16/07/14 10:52, wrote: it may mean having a separate SSID etc, and you may want the channels either to match or not to match. Most people recommend same SSID and wildly different channel. It certainly is not a good idea to be on the same channel. And, if your neighbours use wifi, then you might find difficulty finding any free channels. My phone is showing 19 Wi-Fi access points here - and it's an old phone and not particularly sensitive. But everything on Wi-Fi here seems to work ok. I'd run network cables everywhere. Given how many TVs etc now have a network connection, that starts getting very complicated. -- *El nino made me do it Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 09:55:19 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Mark wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:05:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 16/07/14 10:52, wrote: it may mean having a separate SSID etc, and you may want the channels either to match or not to match. Most people recommend same SSID and wildly different channel. It certainly is not a good idea to be on the same channel. And, if your neighbours use wifi, then you might find difficulty finding any free channels. My phone is showing 19 Wi-Fi access points here - and it's an old phone and not particularly sensitive. But everything on Wi-Fi here seems to work ok. Have you checked what channels they are using? There may still be some free ones; although it's unlikely given the number of access points you see. Another possibility is to swap to the 5Ghz band, which is not used as much (yet). Interference from other networks can lead to performance degredation, even if it does not appear to cause problems. I'd run network cables everywhere. Given how many TVs etc now have a network connection, that starts getting very complicated. True. But it's worth doing IMHO. And dare I suggest Homeplug devices as an alternative? -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around (")_(") is he still wrong? |
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Mark wrote:
And dare I suggest Homeplug devices as an alternative? I agree. But there are a lot of devices that don't have an ethernet socket, eg smart phones and tablets. I've found the Lidl WiFi extender more or less impossible to set up as a WiFi extender; I have another extender (WN518N, not sure where it came from) which works fine as an extender, so the problem does not lie entirely in my head. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland |
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Mark wrote: I'd run network cables everywhere. Given how many TVs etc now have a network connection, that starts getting very complicated. True. But it's worth doing IMHO. In the last 6 months or so, I've acquired half a dozen things that can make use of a network connection. To cable all that lot to my (neat ;-)) standards would be a vast amount of work. And given they all seem to be ok using Wi-Fi, I'm not going to bother. And dare I suggest Homeplug devices as an alternative? See above. ;-) -- *Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 09:55:19 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
And, if your neighbours use wifi, then you might find difficulty finding any free channels. My phone is showing 19 Wi-Fi access points here - and it's an old phone and not particularly sensitive. if I turn off our AP there won't be any other APs visible. B-) I'd run network cables everywhere. Given how many TVs etc now have a network connection, that starts getting very complicated. It's the TV's that may well cause a problem with WiFi when they are streaming/buffering something as fast as your 'net connection will allow. Bit of email and web browsing isn't a great user of bandwidth. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 17/07/14 14:34, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:45:37 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. I had a similar situation. After faffing about with extenders, proxy servers with a second SSID, and more powerful routers, the only reliable fix was a homeplug. What's the security like on a Homeplug? (When it leaks into the neighbour's house). You know where you are with Wifi - so just curious... |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:59:31 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote: On 17/07/14 14:34, Jethro_uk wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:45:37 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. I had a similar situation. After faffing about with extenders, proxy servers with a second SSID, and more powerful routers, the only reliable fix was a homeplug. What's the security like on a Homeplug? (When it leaks into the neighbour's house). I doubt enough signal would leak into another house unless there's something weird with your wiring. Homeplugs do some kind of encryption but I don't know how good it is. You know where you are with Wifi - so just curious... Yes. You know GCHQ is listening..... -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around (")_(") is he still wrong? |
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Johny B Good wrote: [snip] I'm using a cheap, throw away, LinkSys WRT45GW (the crappy one that you can't install the ddrt firmware to) as an AP. It's just a case of setting it up to use a unique IP address in the same range as your existing LAN, plugging one of it's lan ports into your existing router or ethernet switch, disabling its own DHCP service[1] and configuring the WiFi to suit your requirements (the wan port is left unused in this case). Ignoring the wan port on a WiFi router being used to provide an additional WiFi AP works because the WiFi AP part of the router is effectively just hanging off of one of the six lan ports of the ethernet switch integrated into your 4 port router. Thanks for that, Johny. I do have the old router - redundant since BT supplied a new one when I changed to them and fibre. So since flushed with success in getting the Lidl one working I had a go at it using your instructions and it's fine. Also allows me to loose a hub at that location and use it instead. So two birds with one stone. Anyone want a Lidl range extender? ;-) -- *Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:04:24 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Thanks for that, Johny. I do have the old router - redundant since BT supplied a new one when I changed to them and fibre. You have FTTP from BT? The vast majority don't they have VDSL and FTTC. Bit of ****er here, new duct pulled in under our forecourt this week to get fibre down to the cabinet in the village 2 km further away from the exchange. Our line takes a different route back and is already 3 km long a loop down and up adding 4 km I don't fancy on the ali... Also VDSL @ 2km is only about 15 Mbps, we already have 6 Mbps on ADSL2 (2 not 2+, 2+ might get to 7.5 Mbps). Plus point there is going to be a joint in the 24 fibre cable 200 m away in the direction of the exchange. Extra duct drawn in, 20 yds of trench across our carpark. FTTP. B-) Bet it'll still cost an arm and a leg to install. Anyone want a Lidl range extender? ;-) Tempted, a relatively cheap "one box" solution AP. Coverage here is not very good but the AP is in a very sub-optimal location. (Back of desk downstairs). -- Cheers Dave. |
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Jethro_uk wrote: What's the security like on a Homeplug? (When it leaks into the neighbour's house). I'm not sure of the exact details, but they seem to be limited to one ring, and they won't work past an RCD. Either way they are paired by encryption, so not casually hackable. Be useless for my purpose then since I have one ring per floor. And the router is on the ground floor one. The Wi-Fi reception problem on the top floor. -- *Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Jethro_uk wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:40 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Jethro_uk wrote: What's the security like on a Homeplug? (When it leaks into the neighbour's house). I'm not sure of the exact details, but they seem to be limited to one ring, and they won't work past an RCD. Either way they are paired by encryption, so not casually hackable. Be useless for my purpose then since I have one ring per floor. And the router is on the ground floor one. The Wi-Fi reception problem on the top floor. Run a CAT6 *outside* the house ? Don't need to. Already have a CAT6 cable to the top of the house - run internally. -- *Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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lotsofspamanymore.invalid scribeth thus On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:05:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 16/07/14 10:52, wrote: it may mean having a separate SSID etc, and you may want the channels either to match or not to match. Most people recommend same SSID and wildly different channel. It certainly is not a good idea to be on the same channel. And, if your neighbours use wifi, then you might find difficulty finding any free channels. I'd run network cables everywhere. Thats just what I did one Christmas a few years ago, been very useful ever since... -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , Mark wrote: I'd run network cables everywhere. Given how many TVs etc now have a network connection, that starts getting very complicated. True. But it's worth doing IMHO. In the last 6 months or so, I've acquired half a dozen things that can make use of a network connection. To cable all that lot to my (neat ;-)) standards would be a vast amount of work. And given they all seem to be ok using Wi-Fi, I'm not going to bother. And dare I suggest Homeplug devices as an alternative? See above. ;-) Ooooh!, Nasty don't want to go there, the interference they cause;!!... -- Tony Sayer |
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On 18/07/2014 15:57, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News) scribeth thus In article , Mark wrote: And dare I suggest Homeplug devices as an alternative? See above. ;-) Ooooh!, Nasty don't want to go there, the interference they cause;!!... Looks innocent Put some RFI suppression on them, then. Grin -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:00:30 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:
What's the security like on a Homeplug? (When it leaks into the neighbour's house). I'm not sure of the exact details, but they seem to be limited to one ring They certainly do. My pair aren't only on separate rings, they're on separate consumer units (well, one's hanging off the other, but) |
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On 18/07/2014 12:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In , wrote: I'm not sure of the exact details, but they seem to be limited to one ring, and they won't work past an RCD. Either way they are paired by encryption, so not casually hackable. Be useless for my purpose then since I have one ring per floor. And the router is on the ground floor one. The Wi-Fi reception problem on the top floor. My Devolo equivalents re definitely ok across more than one ring (no RCDs on the relevant consumer unit), and I'm pretty sure I've tested them across CUs (I've got 3 - the other two of which *have* got RCDs!) But everything apparently needs to be on the same meter. They have quite good encryption - and default pass-phrases which would take a long time to guess, even if automated. [An apparently random string of 16 letters - so an automated system would need up to 16^26 attempts - about 2 x 10^31 - and even more if it didn't know the length of the pass-phrase or the fact that they're all alpha caps]. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 16:13:00 +0000, Adrian wrote:
What's the security like on a Homeplug? (When it leaks into the neighbour's house). I'm not sure of the exact details, but they seem to be limited to one ring They certainly do. Oh, look, here's the missing "n't"... My pair aren't only on separate rings, they're on separate consumer units (well, one's hanging off the other, but) |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:59:31 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: On 17/07/14 14:34, Jethro_uk wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:45:37 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: My router is in the cellar for historic reasons. So all the LAN cabling goes there, and I'd rather not change things since it works just fine. Of course now I've got Wi-Fi from it, it's not in an ideal place for that and coverage at the top of the house is poor. I had a similar situation. After faffing about with extenders, proxy servers with a second SSID, and more powerful routers, the only reliable fix was a homeplug. What's the security like on a Homeplug? (When it leaks into the neighbour's house). I'm not sure of the exact details, but they seem to be limited to one ring, One *phase*, not ring. Tim |
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Jethro_uk wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: What's the security like on a Homeplug? (When it leaks into the neighbour's house). As jethro said, you pair them by pressing buttons on each unit within a couple of minutes of each other. I'm not sure of the exact details, but they seem to be limited to one ring, and they won't work past an RCD. I've avoided powerline networking kit so far, but visiting my parents over the weekend, Dad mentioned he'd like to watch youtube in his pottery - at the bottom of the garden, furthest from WiFi, several brick walls and the steel clad roof in the way. I tried repositioning the AP and changing to a less congested channel, but could only get a marginal signal, no easy way to run ethernet down there, but he has power for the wheel/pugger/kiln. Dismissed the powerline wifi extenders as too expensive for occasional use at £75-80 PCWorld/Maplin distress purchase prices. But for £20 a pair of powerline adapters worth a try, with the option of taking them back if they don't work, 45 minute drive to PCworld, as we entered they were starting to close the roller-shutter doors. The tortuous route for the signal is ethernet from router powerline adapter 10 way surge filtered power strip triple adapter cube ring circuit ye olde Wylex fuseboard henley blocks 50+ yards of 16mm^2 SWA small consumer unit with RCD/MCBs radial circuit powerline adapter ethernet to laptop I half expected it to not work, and the only thing worth trying would have been to remove the triple adapter and surge strip, but it worked a treat and now he can watch potters while he potters :-) |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Thanks for that, Johny. I do have the old router - redundant since BT supplied a new one when I changed to them and fibre. So since flushed with success in getting the Lidl one working I had a go at it using your instructions and it's fine. Also allows me to loose a hub at that location and use it instead. So two birds with one stone. Anyone want a Lidl range extender? ;-) Lidl one returned for a refund, so thanks once again. -- *Procrastinate now Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Hi. I bought the new Lidl Dual-Band wifi extender, model SWV 733 A1.
I'm not a newbye, I do things like this everyday at work and for hobby, but I can't make it work. I need it as AP, but I can't find how to change its IP, default gateway and disable dhcp. So when I connect mobile to it I get a 192.168.10.x useless IP (my lan is 10.0.0.x) and I can't communicate with my lan and router. I can just setup wifi configuration, but nothing more. |
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