Dysons
 

Do Dyson vacuum cleaners (DC04) have a thermal cut out? Ours will run fine
for ten mins or so then simply stop. Let it stand for an hour and it will
start again.

Thoroughly cleaned all pipework, ducting and filters but nothing has made a
difference.
Scrap it start again?

Jb



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On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:14:15 +0100, Jb wrote:

Do Dyson vacuum cleaners (DC04) have a thermal cut out?

Probaly.

Scrap it start again?

Dyson in home service, fixed price inc parts(*) & labour. £70 odd
quid. JFGI.

(*) Except consumables, like filters.

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Dave.

Dysons
 

Jb scribbled...


Do Dyson vacuum cleaners (DC04) have a thermal cut out? Ours will run fine
for ten mins or so then simply stop. Let it stand for an hour and it will
start again.

Thoroughly cleaned all pipework, ducting and filters but nothing has made a
difference.
Scrap it start again?



Thermal cut out
Most Dyson vacuums have a built in safety system that stops the machine
if it begins to overheat. This usually happens because the filters need
washing or your machine is blocked. If your machine cuts out, unplug it
and leave it for at least an hour to cool down. Remember to turn the
power off and unplug the machine before you check the filters and look
for blockages prior to re-starting the machine.
Any non-domestic use may adversely affect the filter performance such as
vacuuming up builders dust.

http://www.dyson.co.uk/support/dc31/...achine-is-not-
working/machine-won-t-switch-on-or-cuts-out/thermal-cut-out

And this might help you fix it

http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/Why-does-m...rheat-and-cut-
out-/10000000001685767/g.html

Dysons
 

In article ,
"Jb" writes:
Do Dyson vacuum cleaners (DC04) have a thermal cut out? Ours will run fine
for ten mins or so then simply stop. Let it stand for an hour and it will
start again.

Yes.

Thoroughly cleaned all pipework, ducting and filters but nothing has made a
difference.

It's either due to lack of airflow, or due to the motor generating more
heat than it should.

If it's the motor, it may show up as the motor pitch changing without
you changing the load on it, and/or a burning smell.

For lack of airflow, the motor will spin faster. When it's working
properly, momentarily blocking the air inlet by hand will cause quite
a speedup of the motor. If it's already partially blocked, the motor
is already sped up and momentarily blocking the air inlet by hand will
not cause so much extra speedup. One by one, remove all the airflow
components (loop at bottom of hose attachment, dust cannister and
pre-motor filter, post motor filter), and when you take off the one
which is blocking it, the motor speed will drop to normal.

--
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[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Dysons
 

On 23/06/2014 20:14, Jb wrote:
Thoroughly cleaned all pipework, ducting and filters but nothing has made a
difference.

You did do the cyclone didn't you? And I think ours needs a new filter
or two...

Andy

Dysons
 

In message sting.com,
Jabba writes
Jb scribbled...


Any non-domestic use may adversely affect the filter performance such as
vacuuming up builders dust.


In my home builders dust is domestic!
--
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Dysons
 

Vir Campestris wrote in
o.uk:

On 23/06/2014 20:14, Jb wrote:
Thoroughly cleaned all pipework, ducting and filters but nothing has
made a difference.

You did do the cyclone didn't you? And I think ours needs a new
filter or two...

Andy


Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Dysons
 

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

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Dysons
 

Probably worth it if you intend to get another Dysan. Sounds reasonable at
todays hourly rates.
Brian

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:14:15 +0100, Jb wrote:

Do Dyson vacuum cleaners (DC04) have a thermal cut out?

Probaly.

Scrap it start again?

Dyson in home service, fixed price inc parts(*) & labour. £70 odd
quid. JFGI.

(*) Except consumables, like filters.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dysons
 

On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip
down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Dysons
 

On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip
down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

Dysons
 

HarpingOn wrote:
On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip
down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

That'll be the upright Henry you're talking about?

Tim

Dysons
 

On 24/06/2014 09:59, HarpingOn wrote:
On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This
could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip
down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

I agree, and I have both. But the "little" Dyson, whilst expensive, is
amazingly convenient. It's small enough to hang in the hall so is much
less hassle to get out for little jobs. Just bought one for son's new
London flat which only has room to swing a Manx cat.

Dysons
 

On 6/24/2014 5:54 AM, Huge wrote:

One wonders if the set of Dyson fans overlaps with that of Apple fanbois?


Not in this family. Loads of Dysons, only one (for work) Apple-thing.

Dysons
 

On 24/06/2014 10:54, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, HarpingOn wrote:
On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip
down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

One wonders if the set of Dyson fans overlaps with that of Apple fanbois?


Not in my case. I am not uncritical of Dyson; I had a DC01 and it was
heavy, awkward to use, and unreliable. I admire his creativity. I don't
have a problem with manufacturing overseas: he has a significant UK R&D
organisation and reportedly does not practice tax avoidance. I like the
airblade, I am more suspicious of the fan. I don't have an objection to
a bit of showmanship and his "awards" seem well thought out. I welcome
more engineering "role models" in the UK like McMurtry, Noble, and
Dyson. The DC59 is only the second product I have bought; time will tell
whether it is reliable, but I find it very effective.

Dysons
 

On Tuesday, 24 June 2014 10:54:37 UTC+1, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, HarpingOn wrote:

On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:

On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:

On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:



Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This could be

creating additional load if the bearings are tight.



Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip

the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater

bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.



They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip

down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).



Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.







Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.



One wonders if the set of Dyson fans overlaps with that of Apple fanbois?

Been considerign a dyson fan but on looking closly I think they are over priced for what they are so won;t be buying one. I will be buying (most likey) the next iMac my last one's been going 5 years only seriously crashed a few times and never had to reinstall anything just restarted.
I replaced my old dyson animal after 3 years but I don't think I should have 'hooverd' up the brick and mortor dust with it.
I brought a portable dyson and now I have a upright dyson.
I like things that look good and work well for the uses I have for them.

Dysons
 

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:59:13 +0100, HarpingOn wrote:

Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

Or unreliabilty and poor suckabilty.

Oooo vacuum wars! Third or is it forth time this year? B-)

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dysons
 

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:05:47 +0100, newshound wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This
could
be creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost
strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the
beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip
down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

That's all you need ona DC04 to remove the floor plate, blockages are
accessed by the bits that just unclip. Taking the belt of the beater
bar is not a normal requirement for clearing blockages.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dysons
 

On Tuesday, 24 June 2014 13:46:45 UTC+1, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:59:13 +0100, HarpingOn wrote:



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.



Or unreliabilty and poor suckabilty.

That's not what they say at hospital causualty deparments, looking at rectal damage ;-)
Maybe it's the smiley face that attracks certain types of users.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...is-hoover.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ry-Hoover.html

they can't even get the make right.

So I now know why people buy Henrys.

Dysons
 

Huge wrote in
:

On 2014-06-24, HarpingOn wrote:
On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This
could be creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost
strip the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable
the beater bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from
the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to
strip down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

One wonders if the set of Dyson fans overlaps with that of Apple
fanbois?



No! Sebo and Miele fans are more obsessive.

Dysons
 

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in
ll.co.uk:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

Easy peasy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSQJiqySupI

Dysons
 

HarpingOn wrote:
On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip
down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

If those are your only criteria then this should be right up your street.

http://cdn2.notonthehighstreet.com/s...jpg?1335111639

Tim

Dysons
 

Tim+ wrote in
news:207809154425311512.342703timdownie2003-
nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk@news.
eternal-september.org:

HarpingOn wrote:
On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This
could be creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost
strip the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable
the beater bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from
the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to
strip down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

If those are your only criteria then this should be right up your
street.

http://cdn2.notonthehighstreet.com/s.../images/000/02
3
/942/original_carpet_beater.jpg?1335111639

Tim


For a versatile machine that sucks well and can be used for many tasks
then I would have a Henry.

For regular carpet cleaning and general house cleaning then I prefer a
Dyson.

Dysons
 

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:32:40 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 24/06/2014 09:59, HarpingOn wrote:
On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This
could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip
down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

I agree, and I have both. But the "little" Dyson, whilst expensive, is
amazingly convenient. It's small enough to hang in the hall so is much
less hassle to get out for little jobs. Just bought one for son's new
London flat which only has room to swing a Manx tomcat.

Fixed your post

Presumably by its undercarriage.
--
J B Good

Dysons
 

Johny B Good wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:32:40 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 24/06/2014 09:59, HarpingOn wrote:
On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This
could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip
down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

I agree, and I have both. But the "little" Dyson, whilst expensive, is
amazingly convenient. It's small enough to hang in the hall so is much
less hassle to get out for little jobs. Just bought one for son's new
London flat which only has room to swing a Manx tomcat.

Fixed your post

Presumably by its undercarriage.

Lovely!

Dysons
 

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:30:17 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 24/06/2014 10:54, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, HarpingOn wrote:
On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip
down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

One wonders if the set of Dyson fans overlaps with that of Apple fanbois?


Not in my case. I am not uncritical of Dyson; I had a DC01 and it was
heavy, awkward to use, and unreliable. I admire his creativity. I don't
have a problem with manufacturing overseas: he has a significant UK R&D
organisation and reportedly does not practice tax avoidance. I like the
airblade, I am more suspicious of the fan.

One can only suppose the 'ozone emission problem' of his early secret
research to develop the atmospheric version of the MHD drive must have
been a real show stopper.
--
J B Good

Dysons
 

On 24/06/2014 10:54, Huge wrote:
One wonders if the set of Dyson fans overlaps with that of Apple fanbois?

Well, I quite like my Dyson but have never owned an Apple.

Though there are rumours afoot I might soon be working for them, takeover...

Andy

Dysons
 

On 24 Jun 2014 14:21:48 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2014-06-24, DerbyBorn wrote:
Huge wrote in
:

On 2014-06-24, HarpingOn wrote:
On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This
could be creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost
strip the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable
the beater bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from
the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to
strip down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

One wonders if the set of Dyson fans overlaps with that of Apple
fanbois?



No! Sebo and Miele fans are more obsessive.

Anyone who obsesses about vacuum cleaners is obsessive.

Anyone who obsesses about _anything_at_all_ is obsessive. What's your
point?
--
J B Good

Dysons
 

In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 24/06/2014 10:54, Huge wrote:
One wonders if the set of Dyson fans overlaps with that of Apple fanbois?

Well, I quite like my Dyson but have never owned an Apple.

I owned a Dyson - hated the plastic crappy thing and I'll admit to being
a bit of an Apple fan :-)

Got shot of the Dyson, and replaced it with a Miele (I know, I know...)


Though there are rumours afoot I might soon be working for them, takeover...

intriguing... who might that be then (I assume you can't say)

Darren

Dysons
 

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:57:10 +0100, Vir Campestris wrote:

One wonders if the set of Dyson fans overlaps with that of Apple
fanbois?

Well, I quite like my Dyson but have never owned an Apple.

The Dyson is fine, had to suffer using an apple something when house
sitting for my sister...

Seems like there is very little, if any, overlap.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dysons
 

On 24/06/2014 16:39, Johny B Good wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:32:40 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 24/06/2014 09:59, HarpingOn wrote:
On 24/06/2014 09:14, Huge wrote:
On 2014-06-24, newshound wrote:
On 24/06/2014 08:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:20:41 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

Does the brush roll rotate freely if you remove the belt? This
could be
creating additional load if the bearings are tight.

Have you tried to remove the belt on a DC04? You have to almost strip
the machine to do it. Fairly sure it's too tight to enable the beater
bar to slide out of its carriage slots to unthread from the belt.

They've sure learned the lesson for the DC59, which is a joy to strip
down to clear blockages (just needs a coin).

Something you've able to do with Sebo machines for decades.



Can't beat Henry for repairability and spares availability.

I agree, and I have both. But the "little" Dyson, whilst expensive, is
amazingly convenient. It's small enough to hang in the hall so is much
less hassle to get out for little jobs. Just bought one for son's new
London flat which only has room to swing a Manx tomcat.

Fixed your post

Presumably by its undercarriage.

ROFL!

Some Manx cats have very short tails; used to have one like that, but I
don't think the purists consider them "proper".

Dysons
 

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:34:01 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

For a versatile machine that sucks well and can be used for many tasks
then I would have a Henry.

Much prefer my Earlex. We did aquire a Henry but for normal household
cleaning it wasn't as good as the DC04, for DIY the Earlex does wet
and dry, bigger capacity, more suck, reuseable cartridge filter,
power outlet so it switches on/off with connected appliance, tool
storage, half the cost...

For regular carpet cleaning and general house cleaning then I prefer a
Dyson.

I prefer something that works, currently a Dyson DC04 that is getting
on for 15 years old and at that age has out lived, and out performs,
any other vacuum we've had. It was bought before any of the other
makers had cyclone based vacuums in their ranges.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dysons
 

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:34:01 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

For a versatile machine that sucks well and can be used for many tasks
then I would have a Henry.

Much prefer my Earlex. We did aquire a Henry but for normal household
cleaning it wasn't as good as the DC04, for DIY the Earlex does wet
and dry, bigger capacity, more suck, reuseable cartridge filter,
power outlet so it switches on/off with connected appliance, tool
storage, half the cost...

For regular carpet cleaning and general house cleaning then I prefer a
Dyson.

I prefer something that works, currently a Dyson DC04 that is getting
on for 15 years old and at that age has out lived, and out performs,
any other vacuum we've had. It was bought before any of the other
makers had cyclone based vacuums in their ranges.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Thanks to all. I tried all the suggestions, suction sound, free running
brush bar but could find nothing amiss so iot's off to Argos...

Thanks







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