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The shower cubicle in the main bathroom at home needs repair.

It is lined with marble tiles. After a period of several years without re-grouting the tile joints or re-sealing with silicone the juncture with the shower tray, water has leaked through the tiles and silicone joints and damaged the walls behind and surrounding areas.

I am going to re-do the whole shower repairing the walls so that they are sound and firm.

Other than a ready-made shower cubicle, is there a better solution than just re-tiling?

Is there a way to avoid the same problem (leaks through the joints) by laying a watertight film prior to the tiles or something of that sort?

The house has wooden beams and one has to allow for some movements, seasonal and others.

Are marble tiles a good solution or should I go for different ones?

Thanks,

Antonio

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On 06/12/2013 10:07, asalcedo wrote:
The shower cubicle in the main bathroom at home needs repair.

It is lined with marble tiles. After a period of several years without
re-grouting the tile joints or re-sealing with silicone the juncture
with the shower bowl, water has leaked through the tiles and silicone
joints and damaged the walls behind and surrounding areas.

I am going to re-do the whole shower repairing the walls so that they
are sound and firm.

Other than a ready-made shower cubicle, is there a better solution than
just re-tiling?

Is there a way to avoid the same problem (leaks through the joints) by
laying a watertight film prior to the tiles or something of that sort?


Using a thin backing board (aqua panel etc) to tile onto might be your
best bet. seal well at the bottom (i.e. seal tray to the wall, then
leave a gap under the panel and fill/seal that, then tile with a gap and
fill/seal that, with a final fillet of seal visible on the outside).

For a belt and braces type solution, you could look for a tray with a
tiling up-stand on it (i.e. a small ledge designed to go behind the
tiles and channel water into the tray).


The house has wooden beams and one has to allow for some movements,
seasonal and others.


So only use grout on flat areas of tiles, and not any of the corners, or
joins to other things like trays etc.

Treating the grout with lithofin grout protector will also help.
(pricey, but a small bottle goes a long way)

Are marble tiles a good solution or should I go for different ones?


I have found that the travatine style ones are somewhat porous, and so
really need to be on a waterproof backing (e.g. a cementious board, or
at least something fully screeded with waterproof adheasive). IME it can
also be difficult to get silicone to bond well to the tiles since water
can get behind it through the tile.


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On Friday, December 6, 2013 10:07:20 AM UTC, asalcedo wrote:
The shower cubicle in the main bathroom at home needs repair.



It is lined with marble tiles. After a period of several years without

re-grouting the tile joints or re-sealing with silicone the juncture

with the shower bowl, water has leaked through the tiles and silicone

joints and damaged the walls behind and surrounding areas.



I am going to re-do the whole shower repairing the walls so that they

are sound and firm.



Other than a ready-made shower cubicle, is there a better solution than

just re-tiling?



Is there a way to avoid the same problem (leaks through the joints) by

laying a watertight film prior to the tiles or something of that sort?



The house has wooden beams and one has to allow for some movements,

seasonal and others.



Are marble tiles a good solution or should I go for different ones?



Thanks,



Antonip









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What about a shower tanking kit?

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On 06/12/2013 11:21, John Rumm wrote:
On 06/12/2013 10:07, asalcedo wrote:
The shower cubicle in the main bathroom at home needs repair.

It is lined with marble tiles. After a period of several years without
re-grouting the tile joints or re-sealing with silicone the juncture
with the shower bowl, water has leaked through the tiles and silicone
joints and damaged the walls behind and surrounding areas.

I am going to re-do the whole shower repairing the walls so that they
are sound and firm.

Other than a ready-made shower cubicle, is there a better solution than
just re-tiling?

Is there a way to avoid the same problem (leaks through the joints) by
laying a watertight film prior to the tiles or something of that sort?


Using a thin backing board (aqua panel etc) to tile onto might be your
best bet. seal well at the bottom (i.e. seal tray to the wall, then
leave a gap under the panel and fill/seal that, then tile with a gap and
fill/seal that, with a final fillet of seal visible on the outside).

For a belt and braces type solution, you could look for a tray with a
tiling up-stand on it (i.e. a small ledge designed to go behind the
tiles and channel water into the tray).


The house has wooden beams and one has to allow for some movements,
seasonal and others.


So only use grout on flat areas of tiles, and not any of the corners, or
joins to other things like trays etc.

Treating the grout with lithofin grout protector will also help.
(pricey, but a small bottle goes a long way)

Are marble tiles a good solution or should I go for different ones?


I have found that the travatine style ones are somewhat porous, and so
really need to be on a waterproof backing (e.g. a cementious board, or
at least something fully screeded with waterproof adheasive). IME it can
also be difficult to get silicone to bond well to the tiles since water
can get behind it through the tile.


I was mixing a small amount of grout the other day and was surprised how
hydrophobic it was. Unless you added the water drip by drip it was
impossible to get a smooth consistency. In theory it should be
relatively waterproof once set
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On 06/12/2013 12:25, stuart noble wrote:
On 06/12/2013 11:21, John Rumm wrote:
On 06/12/2013 10:07, asalcedo wrote:
The shower cubicle in the main bathroom at home needs repair.

It is lined with marble tiles. After a period of several years without
re-grouting the tile joints or re-sealing with silicone the juncture
with the shower bowl, water has leaked through the tiles and silicone
joints and damaged the walls behind and surrounding areas.

I am going to re-do the whole shower repairing the walls so that they
are sound and firm.

Other than a ready-made shower cubicle, is there a better solution than
just re-tiling?

Is there a way to avoid the same problem (leaks through the joints) by
laying a watertight film prior to the tiles or something of that sort?


Using a thin backing board (aqua panel etc) to tile onto might be your
best bet. seal well at the bottom (i.e. seal tray to the wall, then
leave a gap under the panel and fill/seal that, then tile with a gap and
fill/seal that, with a final fillet of seal visible on the outside).

For a belt and braces type solution, you could look for a tray with a
tiling up-stand on it (i.e. a small ledge designed to go behind the
tiles and channel water into the tray).


The house has wooden beams and one has to allow for some movements,
seasonal and others.


So only use grout on flat areas of tiles, and not any of the corners, or
joins to other things like trays etc.

Treating the grout with lithofin grout protector will also help.
(pricey, but a small bottle goes a long way)

Are marble tiles a good solution or should I go for different ones?


I have found that the travatine style ones are somewhat porous, and so
really need to be on a waterproof backing (e.g. a cementious board, or
at least something fully screeded with waterproof adheasive). IME it can
also be difficult to get silicone to bond well to the tiles since water
can get behind it through the tile.


I was mixing a small amount of grout the other day and was surprised how
hydrophobic it was. Unless you added the water drip by drip it was
impossible to get a smooth consistency. In theory it should be
relatively waterproof once set


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On 06/12/2013 12:25, stuart noble wrote:

I was mixing a small amount of grout the other day and was surprised how
hydrophobic it was. Unless you added the water drip by drip it was
impossible to get a smooth consistency. In theory it should be
relatively waterproof once set


Probably why they normally suggest adding the powder to the water rather
than the other way round...

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What about a shower tanking kit?


To be fair I have never tried one, so can't really comment...


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On Friday 06 December 2013 12:25 stuart noble wrote in uk.d-i-y:

I was mixing a small amount of grout the other day and was surprised how
hydrophobic it was. Unless you added the water drip by drip it was
impossible to get a smooth consistency. In theory it should be
relatively waterproof once set


I did not have that problem with Mapei grout - but I was adding a water plus
flexuriser mix. Just dumped the measured amount of liquid into a measured
amount of powder and stirred with a wooden spoon.

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On 06/12/2013 16:45, Tim Watts wrote:
On Friday 06 December 2013 12:25 stuart noble wrote in uk.d-i-y:

I was mixing a small amount of grout the other day and was surprised how
hydrophobic it was. Unless you added the water drip by drip it was
impossible to get a smooth consistency. In theory it should be
relatively waterproof once set


I did not have that problem with Mapei grout - but I was adding a water plus
flexuriser mix. Just dumped the measured amount of liquid into a measured
amount of powder and stirred with a wooden spoon.


I don't really regard it as a problem. You can get it to a paste
eventually and the fact that it has no affinity for water should be an
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On 06/12/2013 10:07, asalcedo wrote:
The shower cubicle in the main bathroom at home needs repair.

It is lined with marble tiles. After a period of several years without
re-grouting the tile joints or re-sealing with silicone the juncture
with the shower bowl, water has leaked through the tiles and silicone
joints and damaged the walls behind and surrounding areas.

I am going to re-do the whole shower repairing the walls so that they
are sound and firm.

Other than a ready-made shower cubicle, is there a better solution than
just re-tiling?

Is there a way to avoid the same problem (leaks through the joints) by
laying a watertight film prior to the tiles or something of that sort?

The house has wooden beams and one has to allow for some movements,
seasonal and others.

Are marble tiles a good solution or should I go for different ones?

Thanks,

Antonip




Forget tiling, fit Wetwall
http://www.wetwall.com/why.htm

As an alternative to tiles, Wetwall can create a beautiful bathroom or
shower enclosure that will last for years

Specifically designed for wet areas, Wetwall panels are completely
waterproof. Unlike tiles, Wetwall does not require grouting and is very
low maintenance once installed. Wetwall can be fitted over existing
surfaces, including tiles and can transform your bathroom or shower
enclosure instantly.

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On 06/12/2013 10:07, asalcedo wrote:
The shower cubicle in the main bathroom at home needs repair.

It is lined with marble tiles. After a period of several years
without re-grouting the tile joints or re-sealing with silicone the
juncture with the shower bowl, water has leaked through the tiles and
silicone joints and damaged the walls behind and surrounding areas.

I am going to re-do the whole shower repairing the walls so that they
are sound and firm.

Other than a ready-made shower cubicle, is there a better solution
than just re-tiling?


Forget tiling, fit Wetwall
http://www.wetwall.com/why.htm


Yes - what I did; using http://www.multipanel.co.uk. Looks fantastic,
completely leakproof and is much easier to keep clean and maintain than
tiles. I fitted mine direct to the timber studs surrounding the cubicle
(ie after ripping out all the old tiles and knackered plasterboard).

John Rumm has already mentioned using a shower tray with an upstand...
I'd second that suggestion; I went with a Coram one
(http://www.coram.co.uk/product-categ...s/riser-trays/) which
has the added advantage of being much easier to fit than conventional
stone-resin trays; it's much lighter (easily manhandled into position by
one person), readily adjustable for level/height but without sacrificing
any of the 'solid' feel of a standard tray,

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On 06/12/2013 10:07, asalcedo wrote:
The shower cubicle in the main bathroom at home needs repair.

It is lined with marble tiles. After a period of several years without
re-grouting the tile joints or re-sealing with silicone the juncture
with the shower bowl, water has leaked through the tiles and silicone
joints and damaged the walls behind and surrounding areas.

I am going to re-do the whole shower repairing the walls so that they
are sound and firm.

Other than a ready-made shower cubicle, is there a better solution than
just re-tiling?

Is there a way to avoid the same problem (leaks through the joints) by
laying a watertight film prior to the tiles or something of that sort?

The house has wooden beams and one has to allow for some movements,
seasonal and others.

Are marble tiles a good solution or should I go for different ones?

Thanks,

Antonip




Forget tiling, fit Wetwall
Why Buy Wetwall? - Wetwall - the smarter alternative to tiles

As an alternative to tiles, Wetwall can create a beautiful bathroom or
shower enclosure that will last for years

Specifically designed for wet areas, Wetwall panels are completely
waterproof. Unlike tiles, Wetwall does not require grouting and is very
low maintenance once installed. Wetwall can be fitted over existing
surfaces, including tiles and can transform your bathroom or shower
enclosure instantly.

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Many thanks for an interesting suggestion.

I am looking carefully into it.

I would go for an Italian marble finish, but I have two concerns

1. Will it not look artificial? Is it not the case that actual tiles will always look better?

2. Still need for silicone sealant:

I agree that grouting is avoided but there will still be a need for sealant in all the corner and capping profiles, including at the bottom of the panels where they meet the tray.

Will this not be areas of weakness as much as they are for a conventional tile solution?

If so, and since the grouting is not usually what leaks most, there is not much to gain.

I am going to contact the manufacturer, but if you have experience with the product, your response will be very helpful.

Thanks,

Antonio
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On Friday, December 6, 2013 10:07:20 AM UTC, asalcedo wrote:
The shower cubicle in the main bathroom at home needs repair.



It is lined with marble tiles. After a period of several years without

re-grouting the tile joints or re-sealing with silicone the juncture

with the shower bowl, water has leaked through the tiles and silicone

joints and damaged the walls behind and surrounding areas.



I am going to re-do the whole shower repairing the walls so that they

are sound and firm.



Other than a ready-made shower cubicle, is there a better solution than

just re-tiling?



Is there a way to avoid the same problem (leaks through the joints) by

laying a watertight film prior to the tiles or something of that sort?



The house has wooden beams and one has to allow for some movements,

seasonal and others.



Are marble tiles a good solution or should I go for different ones?



Thanks,



Antonip









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What about a shower tanking kit?

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Very interesting. I had something like that in mind.

I have found this one:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Everbuild-Aq...pr_product_top

Can normal tiles be laid on top of the waterproof membrane?
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Using a thin backing board (aqua panel etc) to tile onto might be your
best bet. seal well at the bottom (i.e. seal tray to the wall, then
leave a gap under the panel and fill/seal that, then tile with a gap and
fill/seal that, with a final fillet of seal visible on the outside).

For a belt and braces type solution, you could look for a tray with a
tiling up-stand on it (i.e. a small ledge designed to go behind the
tiles and channel water into the tray).


The house has wooden beams and one has to allow for some movements,
seasonal and others.


So only use grout on flat areas of tiles, and not any of the corners, or
joins to other things like trays etc.

Treating the grout with lithofin grout protector will also help.
(pricey, but a small bottle goes a long way)

Are marble tiles a good solution or should I go for different ones?


I have found that the travatine style ones are somewhat porous, and so
really need to be on a waterproof backing (e.g. a cementious board, or
at least something fully screeded with waterproof adheasive). IME it can
also be difficult to get silicone to bond well to the tiles since water
can get behind it through the tile.


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Hi John,

Great inputs.

A backing board (aqua panel etc) is the way to go

And the tray with a tiling up-stand on is a great idea that I will implement.

I now need to research if the tanking kit can be applied on the backing board and then the tiles on top.

If so, that would look like a really watertight solution.

Many thanks,

Antonio
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On Friday, December 6, 2013 11:07:20 PM UTC+13, asalcedo wrote:

Other than a ready-made shower cubicle, is there a better solution than
just re-tiling?


I've just ripped out a bath and covered the floor and walls with cheap vinyl. There's no sign of leaks. I can look at the floor from underneath.
I managed to work out how to stick a 4x2 metre piece of vinyl on the wall using ADOS F2.


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On 07/12/2013 09:16, Matty F wrote:
On Friday, December 6, 2013 11:07:20 PM UTC+13, asalcedo wrote:

Other than a ready-made shower cubicle, is there a better solution
than just re-tiling?


I've just ripped out a bath and covered the floor and walls with
cheap vinyl. There's no sign of leaks. I can look at the floor from
underneath. I managed to work out how to stick a 4x2 metre piece of
vinyl on the wall using ADOS F2.


Very 1980s! :-)
Actually a very practical solution, the cushion floor type vinyl is
quite a good insulator if condensation is a problem
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