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What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper
called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. -- DerbyBorn |
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On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote:
What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell |
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Nightjar wrote in
: On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote: What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg -- DerbyBorn |
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Nightjar wrote in
: On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote: What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg -- DerbyBorn |
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Nightjar wrote in
: On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote: What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg -- DerbyBorn |
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Nightjar wrote in
: On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote: What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg -- DerbyBorn |
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Nightjar wrote in
: On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote: What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg -- DerbyBorn |
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DerbyBorn wrote:
Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg Can't one of you Virgin customers complain about the dupes? Or it'll soon be time to kill posts from their server ... |
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In article , Andy
Burns writes Can't one of you Virgin customers complain about the dupes? Or it'll soon be time to kill posts from their server ... Hear, hear Hear, hear Hear, hear Hear, hear Hear, hear :-) -- fred it's a ba-na-na . . . . |
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On 05/12/2013 15:56, DerbyBorn wrote:
Nightjar wrote in : On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote: What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg From what I can see, that looks more like vermiculite. |
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Fredxxx wrote in :
On 05/12/2013 15:56, DerbyBorn wrote: Nightjar wrote in : On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote: What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg From what I can see, that looks more like vermiculite. Thanks: Another pictu https://www.dropbox.com/s/hmz92io6mb...205_155238.jpg Sorry about the duplicates. I keep getting a message "Done. Waiting for Confirmation" I must be more patient and stop hitting keys. -- DerbyBorn |
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On 05/12/2013 16:34, DerbyBorn wrote:
Fredxxx wrote in : On 05/12/2013 15:56, DerbyBorn wrote: Nightjar wrote in : On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote: What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg From what I can see, that looks more like vermiculite. Thanks: Another pictu https://www.dropbox.com/s/hmz92io6mb...205_155238.jpg Sorry about the duplicates. I keep getting a message "Done. Waiting for Confirmation" I must be more patient and stop hitting keys. http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermiculite It looks pretty much like vermiculite to me. It's far more pleasant on the skin and doesn't get suck in your throat like glass fibre and I have no idea why the EPC surveyor disregarded it. They do have some strange rules, the last one I talked to said they disregard the thickness of wood if you've boarded your loft! Rather worrying comment at the end of the wiki article I hadn't heard before concerning asbestos! |
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On 05/12/2013 16:27, Fredxxx wrote:
On 05/12/2013 15:56, DerbyBorn wrote: Nightjar wrote in : On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote: What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg From what I can see, that looks more like vermiculite. I agree. It looks a bit sparkly, which would be characteristic of expanded mica aka vermiculite.. Colin Bignell |
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On Thursday 05 December 2013 16:48 Fredxxx wrote in uk.d-i-y:
It looks pretty much like vermiculite to me. It's far more pleasant on the skin and doesn't get suck in your throat like glass fibre ... Is vermiculite any good as a sound insulator (between floors)? Just wondering... -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage |
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On 05/12/2013 16:18, fred wrote:
In article , Andy Burns writes Can't one of you Virgin customers complain about the dupes? Or it'll soon be time to kill posts from their server ... Hear, hear Hear, hear Hear, hear Hear, hear Hear, hear :-) :-) When things go wrong at Virgin (fortunately not often) you wait till they put it right (fortunately not very long). The alternative is to endure many pointless conversations.... |
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"stuart noble" wrote in message ... On 05/12/2013 16:18, fred wrote: In article , Andy Burns writes Can't one of you Virgin customers complain about the dupes? Or it'll soon be time to kill posts from their server ... Hear, hear Hear, hear Hear, hear Hear, hear Hear, hear :-) :-) When things go wrong at Virgin (fortunately not often) you wait till they put it right (fortunately not very long). The alternative is to endure many pointless conversations.... Eternal-september works well. Virgin has been **** for a long time. |
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"Fredxxx" wrote in message ... On 05/12/2013 16:34, DerbyBorn wrote: Fredxxx wrote in : On 05/12/2013 15:56, DerbyBorn wrote: Nightjar wrote in : On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote: What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg From what I can see, that looks more like vermiculite. Thanks: Another pictu https://www.dropbox.com/s/hmz92io6mb...205_155238.jpg Sorry about the duplicates. I keep getting a message "Done. Waiting for Confirmation" I must be more patient and stop hitting keys. http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermiculite It looks pretty much like vermiculite to me. It's far more pleasant on the skin and doesn't get suck in your throat like glass fibre and I have no idea why the EPC surveyor disregarded it. They do have some strange rules, the last one I talked to said they disregard the thickness of wood if you've boarded your loft! Rather worrying comment at the end of the wiki article I hadn't heard before concerning asbestos! No I hadn't heard that one either. Another one here. http://www.ehow.com/how_5094756_test...-asbestos.html |
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On 05/12/2013 18:37, harryagain wrote:
"Fredxxx" wrote in message ... On 05/12/2013 16:34, DerbyBorn wrote: Fredxxx wrote in : On 05/12/2013 15:56, DerbyBorn wrote: Nightjar wrote in : On 05/12/2013 15:10, DerbyBorn wrote: What is the type of loft insualtion that looks like chewed up newspaper called? We have had an energey survey on a house we are selling and it said there was no insulation - I want to challenge it with the correct name. Do you mean cellulose fibre insulation, which is made from chewed up newspaper? Not just any insulation, but *eco-friendly* insulation. This is one brand: http://www.warmcel.co.uk/ Colin Bignell Does this help? https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xt4sejiukj5osc/Loft.jpg From what I can see, that looks more like vermiculite. Thanks: Another pictu https://www.dropbox.com/s/hmz92io6mb...205_155238.jpg Sorry about the duplicates. I keep getting a message "Done. Waiting for Confirmation" I must be more patient and stop hitting keys. http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermiculite It looks pretty much like vermiculite to me. It's far more pleasant on the skin and doesn't get suck in your throat like glass fibre and I have no idea why the EPC surveyor disregarded it. They do have some strange rules, the last one I talked to said they disregard the thickness of wood if you've boarded your loft! Rather worrying comment at the end of the wiki article I hadn't heard before concerning asbestos! No I hadn't heard that one either. Another one here. http://www.ehow.com/how_5094756_test...-asbestos.html It seems to be a US concern as I've seen UK building website mentioning vermiculite for insulation. I don't know where UK vermiculite has generally come from, or its asbestos content. It seems the US vermiculite has a history of contamination. Given the increasing measures for asbestos and the dusty nature of vermiculite I might now choose to give it a wide berth. |
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On 05/12/2013 16:48, Fredxxx wrote:
.... Rather worrying comment at the end of the wiki article I hadn't heard before concerning asbestos! The concern is about vermiculite from the Libby Mine in Montana, which also had a deposit of tremolite asbestos. About 70% of the vermiculite sold in the USA from 1919 to 1990 was supplied from that mine, mainly under the trade name Zonolite. Vermiculite supplied since 1990 is considered to be safe, as is any that did not come from the Libby mine before that. Colin Bignell |
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On 05/12/2013 19:36, Nightjar wrote:
On 05/12/2013 16:48, Fredxxx wrote: ... Rather worrying comment at the end of the wiki article I hadn't heard before concerning asbestos! The concern is about vermiculite from the Libby Mine in Montana, which also had a deposit of tremolite asbestos. About 70% of the vermiculite sold in the USA from 1919 to 1990 was supplied from that mine, mainly under the trade name Zonolite. Vermiculite supplied since 1990 is considered to be safe, as is any that did not come from the Libby mine before that. Colin Bignell I think these days it's mainly used to insulate round flue liners, having the obvious advantage that you just pour it down from the roof. I use it a lot in the garden. Great soil improver |
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On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:48:37 +0000, Fredxxx wrote:
It looks pretty much like vermiculite to me. It's far more pleasant on the skin and doesn't get suck in your throat like glass fibre and I have no idea why the EPC surveyor disregarded it. They do have some strange rules, the last one I talked to said they disregard the thickness of wood if you've boarded your loft! The last surveyor we had used a laptop and his program had drop-down options. If what you had was not on the drop-down then tough he could not enter it and did not feel inclined to add his own notes. In my case I had a combination of 100mm of Rockwell and 100mm of Celotex plus boards. All he could do was enter the physical thickness so it went in as 200mm of 'insulation' which assumed, in the calcs, to be as efficient as fibreglass and not the approximate effectiveness of 300mm. My complaints fell on deaf ears but one house viewer was so impressed he bought the house - I am sure there were other reasons too ;) Mike -- |
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On Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:46:49 PM UTC, Big Les Wade wrote:
posted In my case I had a combination of 100mm of Rockwell and 100mm of Celotex plus boards. When I put this forward in my building plans the local authority building control people wouldn't accept it, on the grounds that different layers of materials with different insulation properties would cause condensation. I guess if there was wool under celotex and no vapour barrier, you could get condensation on the underside of the celotex, and if wool gets wet it loses its insulation properties, but this would then be no worse than just the celotex. My BCO was OK with rockwool above celotex in a roof. In a loft with just wool, moisture can percolate through the wool and into the air above. Simon. |
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sm_jamieson writes: On Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:46:49 PM UTC, Big Les Wade wrote: When I put this forward in my building plans the local authority building control people wouldn't accept it, on the grounds that different layers of materials with different insulation properties would cause condensation. I guess if there was wool under celotex and no vapour barrier, you could get condensation on the underside of the celotex, and if wool gets wet it loses its insulation properties, but this would then be no worse than just the celotex. My BCO was OK with rockwool above celotex in a roof. In a loft with just wool, moisture can percolate through the wool and into the air above. Simon. Yes, if you do this, the wool must be on the cold side, and the celotex on the warm side. Otherwise, you will eventually get condensation at the boundary. The more serious problem is that this will make any timber go rotten. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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