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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:31:55 -0000, ARW wrote:

"Matty F" wrote in message
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On Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:19:33 AM UTC+13,
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"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message

I looked at the photo. Have you got a measurement?

125 feet

Excuse me sir, why is the ceiling 125 feet high when the people in it are
shorter than 7 feet high?

Signage?

Big signs.

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:39:34 -0000, ARW wrote:

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:57:14 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:

The usual bull****, I would have done it in a day with an
extending
ladder.

I doubt if you'd find an extending ladder long enough. Have you
been to
T5?

I looked at the photo. Have you got a measurement?

The Daily Wail says "up to 120 feet" (37 m). That's not much for a
decent cherry picker, plenty available from the hire shops with
working heights above 37 m. They do tend to be diesel powered though
so I guess the 'elfs don't want an engine running in a "confined
space".


Get a LPG picker then:-)

No reason it couldn't be electric. Some forklifts are electric aren't they?

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"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:31:55 -0000, ARW
wrote:

"Matty F" wrote in message
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On Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:19:33 AM UTC+13,
wrote:
"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message

I looked at the photo. Have you got a measurement?

125 feet

Excuse me sir, why is the ceiling 125 feet high when the people in it
are
shorter than 7 feet high?

Signage?

Big signs.

Usually big and high. Ever been to an airport?



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On 28/11/2013 16:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
On 28/11/2013 14:01, The Other Mike wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:36:36 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
It was on TV last year how they get the mpg for some cars, which
included removing the seats and even the brake pads.

Take the back seats out, take all the seats out, remove the doors, the
8 track player, the parcel shelf, the nodding dog and the ash trays
and it won't make the slightest bit of difference to the MPG figures
when the car remains static for the entire test.



It does, however, make a difference to the acceleration figures.

What figures would they be?

The 0-60 times that motoring magazine journalists wet themselves over,
and look good in adverts for some cars. They're normally obtained by
using an independent speed measuring device and giving the car loads of
welly on a dry, high grip, test track. If nothing breaks, the driver
keeps pushing until *something* gives up the ghost or it flies off the
test track. Which is why a lot of makers don't like lending cars to some
magazines and TV shows.

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On 28/11/2013 17:04, Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:15:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

really what planet do you live on that has zero G ?, next thing you'll
be telling me is that the number of passangers doesn't affect mpg.

Just for our enlightenment, how do passengers influence performance on
a rolling road?

tyre rolling resistance for one.

I would be extremely surprised if the rolling road didn't compensate for
measured mass.

The dynamometer is set to simulate the maker's given mass for the
production vehicle, according to the link supplied ^ up there somewhere.
All else is set to the maker's recommended figures, and I'd not expect a
few kilos to make much difference to the tyres' rolling resistance. I'm
not sure if they use a fan to generate a simulated headwind, though, in
which case removing number plates etc. *can* make a noticeable difference.

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:03:00 -0000, ARW wrote:

"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:31:55 -0000, ARW
wrote:

"Matty F" wrote in message
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On Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:19:33 AM UTC+13,
wrote:
"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message

I looked at the photo. Have you got a measurement?

125 feet

Excuse me sir, why is the ceiling 125 feet high when the people in it
are
shorter than 7 feet high?

Signage?

Big signs.

Usually big and high. Ever been to an airport?

Yes. Do they have to be that high?

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:03:00 -0000, ARW
wrote:

"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:31:55 -0000, ARW
wrote:

"Matty F" wrote in message
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On Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:19:33 AM UTC+13,
wrote:
"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message

I looked at the photo. Have you got a measurement?

125 feet

Excuse me sir, why is the ceiling 125 feet high when the people in it
are
shorter than 7 feet high?

Signage?

Big signs.

Usually big and high. Ever been to an airport?

Yes. Do they have to be that high?


I would think so. Do a comparison wth say schools and hospitals and try to
find your way around the latter.


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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:29:49 -0000, ARW wrote:

"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:03:00 -0000, ARW
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"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:31:55 -0000, ARW
wrote:

"Matty F" wrote in message
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Signage?

Big signs.

Usually big and high. Ever been to an airport?

Yes. Do they have to be that high?


I would think so. Do a comparison wth say schools and hospitals and try to
find your way around the latter.

They only have to be above head height. Think of a supermarket's isle signage, and imagine the shelving wasn't there.

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"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:29:49 -0000, ARW
wrote:

"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:03:00 -0000, ARW
wrote:

"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:31:55 -0000, ARW

wrote:

"Matty F" wrote in message
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Signage?

Big signs.

Usually big and high. Ever been to an airport?

Yes. Do they have to be that high?


I would think so. Do a comparison wth say schools and hospitals and try
to
find your way around the latter.

They only have to be above head height. Think of a supermarket's isle
signage, and imagine the shelving wasn't there.


A supermarket without shelves. Nice one.

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:21:10 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:

Signage?

Big signs.

Usually big and high. Ever been to an airport?

Yes. Do they have to be that high?

They're big, have 'em to close you'd only be able to see "artu".

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:55:48 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:21:10 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:

Signage?

Big signs.

Usually big and high. Ever been to an airport?

Yes. Do they have to be that high?

They're big, have 'em to close you'd only be able to see "artu".

Then make them smaller, like in supermarkets.

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On 28/11/2013 14:09, whisky-dave wrote:


really what planet do you live on that has zero G ?, next thing
you'll be telling me is that the number of passangers doesn't affect
mpg.

On a rolling road?


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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 21:04:10 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:

Signage?

Big signs.

Usually big and high. Ever been to an airport?

Yes. Do they have to be that high?

They're big, have 'em to close you'd only be able to see "artu".

Then make them smaller, like in supermarkets.

You're not following the design plan: Big is better.

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On 28/11/2013 20:29, ARW wrote:
"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:03:00 -0000, ARW
wrote:

"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message

Big signs.

Usually big and high. Ever been to an airport?

Yes. Do they have to be that high?


I would think so. Do a comparison wth say schools and hospitals and try
to find your way around the latter.


"You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"

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John Williamson wrote:

"You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"

Which, as a sideways leap, was exactly my reaction to the
discovery that Google Streetview has explored the old BBC TV
Centre.

http://extdev.bbc.co.uk/historyofthe...ew/index.shtml

Those who are already familiar have had a great time. I haven't
really found much yet.

Chris
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Plant amazing Acers.

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On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 06:09:43 -0000, John Williamson wrote:

On 28/11/2013 20:29, ARW wrote:
"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:03:00 -0000, ARW
wrote:

"Gefreiter Krueger" wrote in message

Big signs.

Usually big and high. Ever been to an airport?

Yes. Do they have to be that high?


I would think so. Do a comparison wth say schools and hospitals and try
to find your way around the latter.


"You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"

Have you been playing mass produced adventure games written in the Quill for the ZX Spectrum?

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 23:53:55 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 21:04:10 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:



Usually big and high. Ever been to an airport?

Yes. Do they have to be that high?

They're big, have 'em to close you'd only be able to see "artu".

Then make them smaller, like in supermarkets.

You're not following the design plan: Big is better.

It is for the company that's getting the contract to build it and has conned the airport into thinking it needs it.

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Italians hate ALL witnesses.

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On Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:04:54 UTC, Chris J Dixon wrote:
whisky-dave wrote:



really what planet do you live on that has zero G ?, next thing you'll be telling me is that the number of passangers doesn't affect mpg.



Just for our enlightenment, how do passengers influence

performance on a rolling road?


Ever heard of friction. The wieght of the car is significant You get that between the road surface and the tyres.
The fact that it's a rolling road makes little if any differnce.
The more wheels you have the more friction you have too, ideally you'd have nothing touching the road surface.

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:09:52 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

next thing you'll be telling me is that the number of passangers doesn't affect mpg.

I often get better MPG with a passenger on board - I drive more smoothly,
offsetting the additional weight.

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:03:41 +0000, John Williamson
wrote:

On 28/11/2013 14:01, The Other Mike wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:36:36 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
It was on TV last year how they get the mpg for some cars, which included removing the seats and even the brake pads.

Take the back seats out, take all the seats out, remove the doors, the 8 track
player, the parcel shelf, the nodding dog and the ash trays and it won't make
the slightest bit of difference to the MPG figures when the car remains static
for the entire test.



It does, however, make a difference to the acceleration figures.

Which are not subject to any EU legislation and depending on the whim of the
manufacturer can be physically measured, computed, or just invented by those in
the marketing department. The manufacturer could even opt to publish no
acceleration figures at all.

The advertising standards authority might have something to say if the
manufacturer is telling huge porkies, but I doubt they could be bothered.

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:11:47 +0000, John Williamson
wrote:

The dynamometer is set to simulate the maker's given mass for the
production vehicle, according to the link supplied ^ up there somewhere.
All else is set to the maker's recommended figures, and I'd not expect a
few kilos to make much difference to the tyres' rolling resistance. I'm
not sure if they use a fan to generate a simulated headwind, though, in
which case removing number plates etc. *can* make a noticeable difference.

A fan blows though the vehicle radiator for engine cooling purposes. The test
cell is maintained at a steady temperature.

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In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
It does, however, make a difference to the acceleration figures.

What figures would they be?

The 0-60 times that motoring magazine journalists wet themselves over,
and look good in adverts for some cars. They're normally obtained by
using an independent speed measuring device and giving the car loads of
welly on a dry, high grip, test track. If nothing breaks, the driver
keeps pushing until *something* gives up the ghost or it flies off the
test track. Which is why a lot of makers don't like lending cars to some
magazines and TV shows.

Why would something break? Of course it wouldn't look good if it did while
testing. Perhaps the maker should add 'don't drive this car hard as it
will break' in the handbook?

BTW, reputable mags like Autocar don't remove bits or anything else when
conducting performance testing.

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On Thursday, 28 November 2013 23:00:20 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 28/11/2013 14:09, whisky-dave wrote:





really what planet do you live on that has zero G ?, next thing

you'll be telling me is that the number of passangers doesn't affect

mpg.



On a rolling road?

I decide to email someone that might know at

http://www.starperformance.co.uk/contact.htm


Dave, I have had cars on my dyno with just myself & then with 4 & 5 people on board. I found that peak BHP stays the same but the power at wheels is reduced but transmission losses are more which gives the same peak number. Not sure about mpg but would say it would be down as the car does have to load more.
Thanks,
Jim.

---------------------------------------------
I would have thought the wieght carried or the number of passangers in the real world would make a difference.
I'm not sure I believe that a full car has the same MPG as a car with just the driver.
Also wondering what use a MPG figure is if teh wieght of teh car and/or the number of passangers is irrelivant.

I was racing my pagina Zhonda last night wishing I could use that to get to work rather than the bus ! I reckon I'd have fun flipping cyclists too.

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On Friday, 29 November 2013 14:54:16 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

John Williamson wrote:

It does, however, make a difference to the acceleration figures.



What figures would they be?



The 0-60 times that motoring magazine journalists wet themselves over,

and look good in adverts for some cars. They're normally obtained by

using an independent speed measuring device and giving the car loads of

welly on a dry, high grip, test track. If nothing breaks, the driver

keeps pushing until *something* gives up the ghost or it flies off the

test track. Which is why a lot of makers don't like lending cars to some

magazines and TV shows.



Why would something break?

Component out of spec, the driver pushing too hard, human error.
How did richard hammond crash that car at 300MPH did something break ?

Of course it wouldn't look good if it did while
testing.

It'#d be evenm worse if it broke in real world usage.

Perhaps the maker should add 'don't drive this car hard as it
will break' in the handbook?





BTW, reputable mags like Autocar don't remove bits or anything else when

conducting performance testing.

But that doesn't aply to manufacuters does it.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" :
In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
It does, however, make a difference to the acceleration figures.

What figures would they be?

The 0-60 times that motoring magazine journalists wet themselves over,
and look good in adverts for some cars. They're normally obtained by
using an independent speed measuring device and giving the car loads of
welly on a dry, high grip, test track. If nothing breaks, the driver
keeps pushing until *something* gives up the ghost or it flies off the
test track. Which is why a lot of makers don't like lending cars to some
magazines and TV shows.

Why would something break?

I've heard it said that in some cars, ignoring the clutch and using
brute force on the gear lever improves 0-62 times. ISTM that frequent
repetition could cause a breakage.

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In message , Mike Barnes
writes
"Dave Plowman (News)" :
In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
It does, however, make a difference to the acceleration figures.

What figures would they be?

The 0-60 times that motoring magazine journalists wet themselves over,
and look good in adverts for some cars. They're normally obtained by
using an independent speed measuring device and giving the car loads of
welly on a dry, high grip, test track. If nothing breaks, the driver
keeps pushing until *something* gives up the ghost or it flies off the
test track. Which is why a lot of makers don't like lending cars to some
magazines and TV shows.

Why would something break?

I've heard it said that in some cars, ignoring the clutch and using
brute force on the gear lever improves 0-62 times. ISTM that frequent
repetition could cause a breakage.

ISTR that the Autocar 0 to 60mph figure for a Morgan sports car of
around 1965 admitted to *upward gear changes on full throttle*:-)


--
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On 29/11/2013 13:17, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 06:09:43 -0000, John Williamson
"You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"

Have you been playing mass produced adventure games written in the Quill
for the ZX Spectrum?

No, the original 350 point Colossal Cave Adventure ported to Windows.
It's 296 kilobytes of texty goodness. Just remember to drop the key
*before* you go down the manhole. And keep the coin to use in the
battery vending machine.

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Tciao for Now!

John.

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On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:14:27 -0000, John Williamson wrote:

On 29/11/2013 13:17, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 06:09:43 -0000, John Williamson
"You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"

Have you been playing mass produced adventure games written in the Quill
for the ZX Spectrum?

No, the original 350 point Colossal Cave Adventure ported to Windows.
It's 296 kilobytes of texty goodness.

Colossal Caves ran on the 48K Spectrum. Did it get extra colossalness?

Just remember to drop the key
*before* you go down the manhole.

Why on earth would that be an advantage?

And keep the coin to use in the battery vending machine.

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On 30/11/2013 09:48, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:14:27 -0000, John Williamson
wrote:

On 29/11/2013 13:17, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 06:09:43 -0000, John Williamson
"You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"

Have you been playing mass produced adventure games written in the Quill
for the ZX Spectrum?

No, the original 350 point Colossal Cave Adventure ported to Windows.
It's 296 kilobytes of texty goodness.

Colossal Caves ran on the 48K Spectrum. Did it get extra colossalness?

There are many versions, and the original ran on a PDP-10 in 1976. It
was originally written in FORTRAN (700 lines of code, with another 700
lines of data) and has been ported to just about every computer ever
made. The Windows version suffers from the normal code bloat to handle
the (very basic) graphics, but a text version will indeed fit in the
memory of a 48K spectrum, with room to spare.


Just remember to drop the key
*before* you go down the manhole.

Why on earth would that be an advantage?

If you'd ever played the game, you'd know.



--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:26:22 -0000, John Williamson wrote:

On 30/11/2013 09:48, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:14:27 -0000, John Williamson
wrote:

On 29/11/2013 13:17, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 06:09:43 -0000, John Williamson
"You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"

Have you been playing mass produced adventure games written in the Quill
for the ZX Spectrum?

No, the original 350 point Colossal Cave Adventure ported to Windows.
It's 296 kilobytes of texty goodness.

Colossal Caves ran on the 48K Spectrum. Did it get extra colossalness?

There are many versions, and the original ran on a PDP-10 in 1976. It
was originally written in FORTRAN (700 lines of code, with another 700
lines of data) and has been ported to just about every computer ever
made. The Windows version suffers from the normal code bloat to handle
the (very basic) graphics, but a text version will indeed fit in the
memory of a 48K spectrum, with room to spare.

Just remember to drop the key
*before* you go down the manhole.

Why on earth would that be an advantage?

If you'd ever played the game, you'd know.

I did in the 80s. That was a long time ago.

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She undresses, lies on the bed spread-eagled and says
"You know what I want, don't you?"
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On 29/11/2013 14:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
It does, however, make a difference to the acceleration figures.

What figures would they be?

The 0-60 times that motoring magazine journalists wet themselves over,
and look good in adverts for some cars. They're normally obtained by
using an independent speed measuring device and giving the car loads of
welly on a dry, high grip, test track. If nothing breaks, the driver
keeps pushing until *something* gives up the ghost or it flies off the
test track. Which is why a lot of makers don't like lending cars to some
magazines and TV shows.

Why would something break? Of course it wouldn't look good if it did while
testing. Perhaps the maker should add 'don't drive this car hard as it
will break' in the handbook?

It seems to be not uncommon for something to give when trying to squeeze
that last 10th of a second off the 0-60 time - especially with powerful
AWD cars, you need to be particularly brutal with the clutch etc.




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Cheers,

John.

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