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I have been issued with slip on steel toe cap boots, which I think are excellent and do give me adequate ankle support. My old boots had laces, and the laces kept coming undone, no matter how I tied them. And the lace loops if successfully tied would get caught in bits of machinery that I need to climb around. I also need to remove the boots easily and quickly, e.g. when going into the boss's office. We are not allowed to track axle grease over his new carpet.

I have been told that some industries ban slip on boots and insist on laces.. Why? Are they mad? If they want better ankle support, how about zip boots or velcro?

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"Matty F" wrote in message
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I have been issued with slip on steel toe cap boots, which I think are
excellent and do give me adequate ankle support. My old boots had laces, and
the laces kept coming undone, no matter how I tied them. And the lace loops
if successfully tied would get caught in bits of machinery that I need to
climb around. I also need to remove the boots easily and quickly, e.g. when
going into the boss's office. We are not allowed to track axle grease over
his new carpet.

I have been told that some industries ban slip on boots and insist on laces.
Why? Are they mad? If they want better ankle support, how about zip boots or
velcro?

Matty, I didn't know the elfinsafety loon a tix had propagated so far.
Here in UK my blokes are not allowed to wear slip-on boots/rigger boots etc
on site. This working on crawler cranes, excavators, railway machinery etc.
I prefer laced boots anyway and have never had any problem with laces
getting caught or tangled in machinery.
As for the boss[1]. Not too much bothered. I've been doing this for over 50
years and I ain't going to be buying a new carpet.
After all these years I'm pleased to say that I still have all my body
parts. Had a few close shaves but, hey, ain't life fun.
Frankly and disregarding R&R. If people want me on site I arrive with good
kit that I am comfortable with. If they don't like it they can tell me to
foxtrot oscar. Hasn't happened yet.
Perhaps we should all have a pair of slip-on boots, a pair of lace-up boots
and a pair of Morlands.
Dunno. World gone doolallytap. Fortunately I'll be out of it quite soon. I
worry for my kids though.

I have very much admired your work over the past few years.
Good luck,
Nick.
[1] Me.

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"Matty F" wrote in message
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I have been issued with slip on steel toe cap boots, which I think are
excellent and do give me adequate ankle support. My old boots had laces, and
the laces kept coming undone, no matter how I tied them. And the lace loops
if successfully tied would get caught in bits of machinery that I need to
climb around. I also need to remove the boots easily and quickly, e.g. when
going into the boss's office. We are not allowed to track axle grease over
his new carpet.

I have been told that some industries ban slip on boots and insist on laces.
Why? Are they mad? If they want better ankle support, how about zip boots or
velcro?


Interesting thread here
http://webcommunities.hse.gov.uk/con...objectId=86923


I wear "Chelsea" boot steel toecapped as my ankles are fubarred and I can't
have low shoe type rubbing the Achilles tendons

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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:21:18 -0700 (PDT), Matty F
wrote:

My old boots had laces, and the laces kept coming undone, no matter how I tied them. And the lace loops if successfully tied would get caught in bits of machinery that I need to climb around. I also need to remove the boots easily and quickly, e.g. when going into the boss's office. We are not allowed to track axle grease over his new carpet.

There's something called a "lace-in zipper": a strip with eyelets on the outer
edge, zipper in the middle. That allows the boots to be laced to the foot while
adjusting tension to comfort, which adjustability is a benefit of laces. The
ends of the laces are knotted off, no loops or loose ends. Then use the zipper
to get the boot on and off quickly without faffing about with all the laces.

Thomas Prufer

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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:21:18 -0700 (PDT), Matty F wrote:

I have been issued with slip on steel toe cap boots, which I think are excellent and do give me adequate ankle support. My old boots had laces, and the laces kept coming undone, no matter how I tied them. And the lace loops if successfully tied would get caught in bits of machinery that I need to climb around. I also need to remove the boots easily and quickly, e.g. when going into the boss's office. We are not allowed to track axle grease over his new carpet.

I have been told that some industries ban slip on boots and insist on laces. Why? Are they mad? If they want better ankle support, how about zip boots or velcro?

For gardening, DIY and mountain footwear I use laces but have them too short
for bows. I found out back in the '70s what a pain a frozen, tangled bow
could be, tired from a day on the hills and cold fingers.
I now just use a reef knot, tied down good and hard, and I've never had
trouble in undoing it whatever the conditions [1]. It's also good on cycling
shoes. I had a bow come undone and the lace was being wound round the
spindle as I was pedalling. I felt it go tight and stopped, of course. This
was a week after going on to gears from fixed...!splat!

[1] if, say, the reef knot is L/R, R/L, then pulling the L end straight out
at right-angles just loosens the knot - a one-handed job.
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On 18/07/2013 12:21 AM, Matty F wrote:
I have been issued with slip on steel toe cap boots, which I think
are excellent and do give me adequate ankle support. My old boots had
laces, and the laces kept coming undone, no matter how I tied them.
And the lace loops if successfully tied would get caught in bits of
machinery that I need to climb around. I also need to remove the
boots easily and quickly, e.g. when going into the boss's office. We
are not allowed to track axle grease over his new carpet.

I have been told that some industries ban slip on boots and insist on
laces.. Why? Are they mad? If they want better ankle support, how
about zip boots or velcro?


I haven't got an answer as such and, for my hard landscaping I
preferred lacing. I don't know why, either?

However, there was a time when I switched from lace-up to Wellington
because, while deep in a very narrow part of a cave, my foot slipped
through the slim V the two rock faces created above a small space below.

As this spot was the widest point, it was not possible to move along
to a wider gap to release it. It was quite a struggle in such a
restricted area before I managed to pull my foot back through. Hence,
Wellies from then on. :-)

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On 18/07/2013 16:45, RayL12 wrote:
On 18/07/2013 12:21 AM, Matty F wrote:
I have been issued with slip on steel toe cap boots, which I think
are excellent and do give me adequate ankle support. My old boots had
laces, and the laces kept coming undone, no matter how I tied them.
And the lace loops if successfully tied would get caught in bits of
machinery that I need to climb around. I also need to remove the
boots easily and quickly, e.g. when going into the boss's office. We
are not allowed to track axle grease over his new carpet.

I have been told that some industries ban slip on boots and insist on
laces.. Why? Are they mad? If they want better ankle support, how
about zip boots or velcro?


I haven't got an answer as such and, for my hard landscaping I
preferred lacing. I don't know why, either?

However, there was a time when I switched from lace-up to Wellington
because, while deep in a very narrow part of a cave, my foot slipped
through the slim V the two rock faces created above a small space below.

As this spot was the widest point, it was not possible to move along
to a wider gap to release it. It was quite a struggle in such a
restricted area before I managed to pull my foot back through. Hence,
Wellies from then on. :-)

Seeing:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1542344/

certainly makes you think about that sort of thing ;-)


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On 18/07/2013 00:21, Matty F wrote:
I have been issued with slip on steel toe cap boots, which I think are excellent and do give me adequate ankle support. My old boots had laces, and the laces kept coming undone, no matter how I tied them. And the lace loops if successfully tied would get caught in bits of machinery that I need to climb around. I also need to remove the boots easily and quickly, e.g. when going into the boss's office. We are not allowed to track axle grease over his new carpet.

I have been told that some industries ban slip on boots and insist on laces. Why? Are they mad? If they want better ankle support, how about zip boots or velcro?

Many years ago when we were handling liquid sodium I came across the
safety boots which were used in the smelting industry, these had a flap
right across where the laces would be, secured by velcro for quick release.

Also "rigger boots" are easy to slip out of, I have always assumed this
is either for quick evacuation when stuck in mud in the path of a
digger, or for ease of release if otherwise trapped.

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On Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:21:18 AM UTC+1, Matty F wrote:
I also need to remove the boots easily and quickly, e.g. when going into the boss's office. We are not allowed to track axle grease over his new carpet.

That's what elasticated overshoes are for.

Owain

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On Thursday 18 July 2013 17:34 newshound wrote in uk.d-i-y:


Also "rigger boots" are easy to slip out of, I have always assumed this
is either for quick evacuation when stuck in mud in the path of a
digger, or for ease of release if otherwise trapped.

I got some steel riggers cheap from Screwfix last year. They are almost as
good as wellies if copiusly polished, and very comfortable (unlike most
steels). I really like them for gardening and very easy to slip off, yet
they do not fall off of their own accord....

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On 18/07/2013 08:27, PeterC wrote:

For gardening, DIY and mountain footwear I use laces but have them too short
for bows. I found out back in the '70s what a pain a frozen, tangled bow
could be, tired from a day on the hills and cold fingers.
I now just use a reef knot, tied down good and hard, and I've never had
trouble in undoing it whatever the conditions [1]. It's also good on cycling
shoes. I had a bow come undone and the lace was being wound round the
spindle as I was pedalling. I felt it go tight and stopped, of course. This
was a week after going on to gears from fixed...!splat!

[1] if, say, the reef knot is L/R, R/L, then pulling the L end straight out
at right-angles just loosens the knot - a one-handed job.


After trying various knots in walking boots I finally found one that
works and doesn't need tension (if you're not worried by loops that is)

Quite simply its a regular bow with the loops then tied with the usual
"extra" knot (loop around loop) but instead of a single wrap through and
tug you wrap through then wrap through again.
Way more friction on the loops that needs no real tightening to stay put
all day long. No tightening therefore no problem to undo.

I understand the worry of loops and machinery as when touring S.A. in
rented car we were going down a very steep and winding road (down hill)
when the (huge) loop on my trainer wrapped around the accelerator pedal
but was too short to get my foot onto the brake pedal.
Needless to say I significantly reduced the length at first opportunity
and changed my pants!
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On Friday, July 19, 2013 4:34:40 AM UTC+12, newshound wrote:


Also "rigger boots" are easy to slip out of, I have always assumed this

is either for quick evacuation when stuck in mud in the path of a

digger, or for ease of release if otherwise trapped.

OK, I've just looked up "rigger boots" and mine are nothing like that. Mine look like lace up boots but have elastic sides, rather like this:
http://www.asia.ru/images/target/pho...astic_Boot.jpg

They don't slop around like gumboots. So I am NOT discussing rigger boots!

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I read that in the Netherlands they still use wooden clogs as footwear in heavy industry. Many millions are made each year, only a proportion are sold to tourists, the author didn't know for sure what all of the others are bought for.

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On 7/19/2013 4:34 AM, Rednadnerb wrote:
I read that in the Netherlands they still use wooden clogs as footwear in heavy industry. Many millions are made each year, only a proportion are sold to tourists, the author didn't know for sure what all of the others are bought for.

I used to use wooden clogs when working in the garden.

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On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 23:24:04 +0100, "Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" wrote:

After trying various knots in walking boots I finally found one that
works and doesn't need tension (if you're not worried by loops that is)

Quite simply its a regular bow with the loops then tied with the usual
"extra" knot (loop around loop) but instead of a single wrap through and
tug you wrap through then wrap through again.

That sounds similar (if not the same) as the figure-of-eight knot - I use
the 8 a lot for adjusting bungies, as it is easier to undo than a thumb knot
and takes up more slack.

Way more friction on the loops that needs no real tightening to stay put
all day long. No tightening therefore no problem to undo.

I understand the worry of loops and machinery as when touring S.A. in
rented car we were going down a very steep and winding road (down hill)
when the (huge) loop on my trainer wrapped around the accelerator pedal
but was too short to get my foot onto the brake pedal.
Needless to say I significantly reduced the length at first opportunity
and changed my pants!

Nothing that bad, but did once get my rather large shoe stuck between the
pedals in a car (long time ago and small car). That was worrying for a few
seconds.
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"Rednadnerb" wrote in message
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I read that in the Netherlands they still use wooden clogs as footwear in
heavy industry. Many millions are made each year, only a proportion are
sold to tourists, the author didn't know for sure what all of the others
are bought for.


I've just read a chapter in a book about the life of a fireman on the steam
trains in the early part of the last century, he wore clogs after seeing the
footplate crews from brum doing so,
he found they were the most comfortable things he'd worn, but he really got
their value when one day he got his foot caught in the gap between the
engine's footplate and the tender as the train went round a curve,

He just pulled his foot out of the clog, and watched as the clog was crushed
a bit, but still wearable when he extracted it when the line straightened
up,
Obviously had he been wearing ordinary boots it'd have been his foot being
crushed, and the end of his career.

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On 19/07/2013 08:11, Huge wrote:
On 2013-07-18, John Rumm wrote:
On 18/07/2013 16:45, RayL12 wrote:

As this spot was the widest point, it was not possible to move along
to a wider gap to release it. It was quite a struggle in such a
restricted area before I managed to pull my foot back through. Hence,
Wellies from then on. :-)

Seeing:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1542344/

certainly makes you think about that sort of thing ;-)

Made me think what a tosser he was, and that Danny Boyle isn't infallible
after all.

It was not his greatest film certainly, but given the limited scope of
the story, I though it was ok.


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On 18/07/2013 23:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On Thursday 18 July 2013 17:34 newshound wrote in uk.d-i-y:


Also "rigger boots" are easy to slip out of, I have always assumed this
is either for quick evacuation when stuck in mud in the path of a
digger, or for ease of release if otherwise trapped.

I got some steel riggers cheap from Screwfix last year. They are almost as
good as wellies if copiusly polished, and very comfortable (unlike most
steels). I really like them for gardening and very easy to slip off, yet
they do not fall off of their own accord....

I got some LeCooper steel toe trainers from Makro over a year ago. They
are comfortable enough to wear as everyday shoes (and just look like
normal trainers). They seem to be lasting well. I Took the precaution of
buying a size larger than my normal.

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On 20/07/2013 12:36, John Rumm wrote:

I got some LeCooper steel toe trainers from Makro over a year ago. They
are comfortable enough to wear as everyday shoes (and just look like
normal trainers). They seem to be lasting well. I Took the precaution of
buying a size larger than my normal.

One of my rules too

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On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:45:27 -0700 (PDT), Matty F
wrote:

OK, I've just looked up "rigger boots" and mine are nothing like that. Mine look like lace up boots but have elastic sides, rather like this:
http://www.asia.ru/images/target/pho...astic_Boot.jpg

They're Chelsea boots; some call them Dealer boots, I don't know why.

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On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 01:34:24 -0700 (PDT), Rednadnerb
wrote:

I read that in the Netherlands they still use wooden clogs as footwear in heavy industry. Many millions are made each year, only a proportion are sold to tourists, the author didn't know for sure what all of the others are bought for.

Handy for workshop use. I was issued a set once, but I never wore
them.

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On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:25:26 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:45:27 -0700 (PDT), Matty F
wrote:

OK, I've just looked up "rigger boots" and mine are nothing like that. Mine look like lace up boots but have elastic sides, rather like this:
http://www.asia.ru/images/target/pho...astic_Boot.jpg

They're Chelsea boots; some call them Dealer boots, I don't know why.

Ah; also called Jodhpur boots.
http://www.thetackroom.ie/index.php?...gpkf2emrm7b292
Simple pull-ons; perhaps the origin is in horsey stuff.