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On Feb 11, 10:46*am, DrTeeth wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 00:41:10 -0800 (PST), just as I was about to take
a herb, harry disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

You got that wrong you half wit. Muslims don't eat blood.

Not all Arabs are Muslims. Don't try to make Ron Speed the second
thickest person here ;-).
99% of them are.
There are a few Christians in Syria, Jordan Lebanon and Egypt. But
none are camels drivers in the desert.
And even they have to eat the local Halal meat.

I have traveled in the middle East and North Africa.
And East Africa where the Maasai live

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On Feb 11, 12:23*pm, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, February 8, 2013 6:23:19 PM UTC, harry wrote:
On Feb 8, 2:44*pm, whisky-dave wrote:
I was thinking more along the lines of soylent green but who would eat green meat !!! pass the food colouring dear :-)

We buy our stuff from the local butcher.

But do you know where your local butcher sources from...
I've no idea about mine a truck pulls up and carcass come out the back.
*Not used them for years as I've no idea where they get their meat.
*Why should I trust them more than my local supermarket ?

I live in a country area. It is sourced from a local farm.
His daughter does have a pony.........
I'll need to make sure it doesn't disappear.

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On Feb 11, 12:44*pm, John Williamson
wrote:
DrTeeth wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:24:16 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, John Williamson disturbed my
reverie and wrote:

Camel's milk cheese has
an interesting flavour, and will keep for ages without refrigeration

Because it probably tastes the same whether it is 'off' or not and
because nobody will eat it*.

Because the moisture levels in it are so low, and, possibly, it's so
acid that the bugs can't breed. What bugs there are have turned into
spores long before it leaves the makers.

The nearest I've seen and tasted from elsewhere are the hard "Grana"
type cheeses from Italy.


I have eaten camel. It was horrid.
I expect the cheese would be horrid too.

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On Feb 11, 12:53*pm, RobertL wrote:
On Friday, February 8, 2013 11:04:39 AM UTC, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

Who are you quoting? *I haven't heard anyone say that.

Robert

There was some twerp politician on the box saying that today.

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On Feb 11, 3:29*pm, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:42:22 +0000, polygonum
wrote:

Given the price farmers get for fleeces (that is, folks, sheep fleeces,
not polyester jackets :-) *), there certainly wouldn't be many sheep
kept for wool production here.

Given the knockdown prices the farmers get for fleeces still, when you
buy sheepwool loft insulation it's fecking expensive stuff.
I put down six inches of it last year, but decided to do the rest in
Knaupf mineral wool at a third of the price.

Sheeps wool encourages vermin.
You will be uniquely positioned to see the difference.

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On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 04:53:33 -0800 (PST), just as I was about to take
a herb, RobertL disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

Who are you quoting? I haven't heard anyone say that.

Too many to list mate.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

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harry wrote:
I have eaten camel. It was horrid.
I expect the cheese would be horrid too.

Expect away, It was actually nice enough that I bought it until the shop
disappeared. YMMV, of course.

Then again, I did actually try it, rather than just assuming it would be
horrible and telling the whole world my opinion based purely on supposition.
--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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On 11/02/2013 08:35, harry wrote:
On Feb 10, 8:41 pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
On 10/02/2013 19:43, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Seems that meat eaters are if they are getting upset about a bit of dead
horse on their plate. What is the difference between killing and eating a
pig, goat, cow, sheep or WHY and killing an eating a horse?

Its not eat horse that's the problem, its not knowing what it is.
If the products had been labelled as horse meat there wouldn't be a problem.

Yes there would. Nobody would buy them in the UK.



So what is the problem with that?

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On 11/02/2013 08:41, harry wrote:

You got that wrong you half wit. Muslims don't eat blood.

Yes they do.
they don't drain it half as well as when the animal is gutted in a
normal abattoir and that leaves blood in the meat.

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On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:06:41 -0800 (PST), just as I was about to take
a herb, harry disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

I have traveled in the middle East and North Africa.
And East Africa where the Maasai live

Made you miss the 1% of Arabs that were not Muslim though. 'Traveled,
pah. I lived in the middle East for 3.5 years.
Next willy-wave...
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

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On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:20:15 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, "dennis@home" disturbed my
reverie and wrote:

Yes they do.
they don't drain it half as well as when the animal is gutted in a
normal abattoir and that leaves blood in the meat.

He means they do not eat it intentionally, and he is 110% right on
that.

The Muslim/Jewish way of slaughter is the most effective way of
draining the blood out of an animal and for the same reason that
Muslims and Jews get buried within 24-48hrs max as a rule - the heat
where the cultures originated.

Carcasses that have not had the blood drained go off considerably
quicker than those that have not. Gutting is not part of ritual
slaughter.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

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On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:09:25 -0800 (PST), just as I was about to take
a herb, harry disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

I'll need to make sure it doesn't disappear.

Check out the number of gonads (if external) every time you visit ;-).
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

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On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:17:42 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, "dennis@home" disturbed my
reverie and wrote:

So what is the problem with that?

Companies would have excess stock on their hands which they could not
sell which would lead to a loss. Them everybody, including your good
self, would have to pay more when they put up their prices to cover
it. Simples!

Do you really want to pay more because of unsold horse-meat products?
Get with the program g.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

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In message
,
harry writes
On Feb 11, 10:46*am, DrTeeth wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 00:41:10 -0800 (PST), just as I was about to take
a herb, harry disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

You got that wrong you half wit. Muslims don't eat blood.

Not all Arabs are Muslims. Don't try to make Ron Speed the second
thickest person here ;-).
99% of them are.
There are a few Christians in Syria, Jordan Lebanon and Egypt. But
none are camels drivers in the desert.
And even they have to eat the local Halal meat.

I have traveled in the middle East and North Africa.
And East Africa where the Maasai live

So how do you always manage to miss what's going on?


--
geoff

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In message
,
harry writes

The ones that are picked out of monkey **** should be OK.
Or was it cat ****?

Its civets Harry

The monkey would have died, right?

So would you if you saw the price

Got some in the kitchen cabinet

--
geoff

Ahhhh. Riiight. Ferret ****.
So what's the benefit? Is is something you produce to impress visitors?

No, I just bought some last time I was in Indonesia to see what all the
fuss was about

Since its prolly outside your price range, I'll give you the benefit of
my experience - don't bother

--
geoff

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In message ,
RobertL writes
On Friday, February 8, 2013 11:04:39 AM UTC, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

Who are you quoting? I haven't heard anyone say that.

Well, at least it can't have BSE


--
geoff

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In message , David.WE.Roberts
writes
....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

And nothing whatsoever to do with this ...



http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-10-493_en.htm


--
geoff

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On Feb 11, 7:17*pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
On 11/02/2013 08:35, harry wrote:

On Feb 10, 8:41 pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
On 10/02/2013 19:43, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Seems that meat eaters are if they are getting upset about a bit of dead
horse on their plate. What is the difference between killing and eating a
pig, goat, cow, sheep or WHY and killing an eating a horse?

Its not eat horse that's the problem, its not knowing what it is.
If the products had been labelled as horse meat there wouldn't be a problem.

Yes there would. Nobody would buy them in the UK.

So what is the problem with that?

Problem is the suppliers problem not mine.
Are you really that dense Dennis?

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On Feb 11, 7:20*pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
On 11/02/2013 08:41, harry wrote:

You got that wrong you half wit. Muslims don't eat blood.

Yes they do.
they don't drain it half as well as when the animal is gutted in a
normal abattoir and that leaves blood in the meat.

You and I know this butMoslems and Jews live in their little religious
fantasy worlds.

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On Feb 11, 9:17*pm, geoff wrote:
In message
,
harry writes











The ones that are picked out of monkey **** should be OK.
Or was it cat ****?

Its civets Harry

The monkey would have died, right?

So would you if you saw the price

Got some in the kitchen cabinet

--
geoff

Ahhhh. Riiight. *Ferret ****.
So what's the benefit? Is is something you produce to impress visitors?

No, I just bought some last time I was in Indonesia to see what all the
fuss was about

Since its prolly outside your price range, I'll give you the benefit of
my experience - don't bother

--
geoff

I had sussed that out without the need to experiment/buy.

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On Feb 11, 9:21*pm, geoff wrote:
In message ,
RobertL writesOn Friday, February 8, 2013 11:04:39 AM UTC, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

Who are you quoting? *I haven't heard anyone say that.

Well, at least it can't have BSE

--
geoff

It could. Though it probably doesn't.

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On 12/02/13 06:53, harry wrote:
On Feb 11, 7:20 pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
On 11/02/2013 08:41, harry wrote:

You got that wrong you half wit. Muslims don't eat blood.

Yes they do.
they don't drain it half as well as when the animal is gutted in a
normal abattoir and that leaves blood in the meat.

You and I know this butMoslems and Jews live in their little religious
fantasy worlds.

coming from you harry, that's a bit rich.

There are two sort of people in this world, those that live an a fantasy
world, and those that *realise* that they live in a fantasy world, but
there are palliatives like rational thought that can reduce the damage
done by it.,



--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

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On 11/02/2013 21:45, geoff wrote:
In message , David.WE.Roberts
writes
....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

And nothing whatsoever to do with this ...



http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-10-493_en.htm


That describes a virus that affects horses & related species.

As long as you eat the Romanian dobbin burgers yourself and don't feed
them to your horse there should be no problem - especially as I doubt
the Romanians can afford 'bute.

Andy

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On 12/02/2013 06:52, harry wrote:
On Feb 11, 7:17 pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
On 11/02/2013 08:35, harry wrote:

On Feb 10, 8:41 pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
On 10/02/2013 19:43, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Seems that meat eaters are if they are getting upset about a bit of dead
horse on their plate. What is the difference between killing and eating a
pig, goat, cow, sheep or WHY and killing an eating a horse?

Its not eat horse that's the problem, its not knowing what it is.
If the products had been labelled as horse meat there wouldn't be a problem.

Yes there would. Nobody would buy them in the UK.

So what is the problem with that?

Problem is the suppliers problem not mine.
Are you really that dense Dennis?


Are you really that thick?
There is no problem if its labelled correctly.
The supplier knows it won't sell in the UK so he won't try to sell it here.

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On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:13:57 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

Sheeps wool encourages vermin.

Asked and answered from several sources before purchase, so I'll
ignore your contribution.

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On Monday, February 11, 2013 8:03:46 PM UTC, DrTeeth wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:17:42 +0000, just as I was about to take a

herb, "dennis@home" disturbed my

reverie and wrote:



So what is the problem with that?



Companies would have excess stock on their hands which they could not

sell which would lead to a loss. Them everybody, including your good

self, would have to pay more when they put up their prices to cover

it. Simples!

No, if you're loosing money on horsemeat you discuise it as beef and sell it to the unknowing.

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On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:13:57 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:

Sheeps wool encourages vermin.

The mice in our roof don't seem at all bother by the glass fibre
insulation. They make nests in just fine.

--
Cheers
Dave.

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In message
,
harry writes

Ahhhh. Riiight. *Ferret ****.
So what's the benefit? Is is something you produce to impress visitors?

No, I just bought some last time I was in Indonesia to see what all the
fuss was about

Since its prolly outside your price range, I'll give you the benefit of
my experience - don't bother

--
geoff

I had sussed that out without the need to experiment/buy.

Well, here's the thing harry

As with most of your ignorant comments here, you give opinion based on
no fact or experience - just ill informed statements based on
preconceived expectations

On such occasions, you should just shut up and leave it to those with
the knowledge and / or experience you lack


--
geoff

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In message
,
harry writes
On Feb 11, 9:21*pm, geoff wrote:
In message ,
RobertL writesOn Friday, February 8, 2013
11:04:39 AM UTC, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

Who are you quoting? *I haven't heard anyone say that.

Well, at least it can't have BSE

--
geoff

It could. Though it probably doesn't.

No Haz - that would be ESE, wouldn't it

stupid old boi


--
geoff

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In message , Gib Bogle
writes
On 11/02/2013 2:12 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:
u are accustomed.

And its not just about survival anyway.

The absolute vast bulk of all the animals I eat only
got to live at all because they are eaten by humans.

Yes. I like to tease vegetarians with this question: Is a sheep's
life worth anything? They tend to think it is. I then point out that
there are about 40 million sheep in our country, and if we didn't eat
sheep there'd be a small fraction of this number. By eating sheep we
are giving life to millions of sheep. Are the sheep better or worse
off because we rear them? It's also worth mentioning what a good life
these sheep have, free from disease, free from predation, always
getting enough to eat. When you watch the lambs gamboling in the
fields it's pretty obvious that a sheep's life has value. It's better
to have lived and lost than never to have lived at all. ;)

AS a vegetarian I wouldn't be "teased" by that at all. It's utter
********. You are transposing your human concepts onto an animal. If the
animal shared those concepts then it would be aware that it's life was
to be prematurely terminated. If it didn't, and I think we all probably
agree it doesn't, then your argument far from being "teasing" is
pointless.
--
bert

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In message , djc
writes
On 10/02/13 20:02, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:43:15 +0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:

(abuse deleted)

Seems that meat eaters are if they are getting upset about a bit of dead
horse on their plate. What is the difference between killing and eating
a pig, goat, cow, sheep or WHY and killing an eating a horse?

a) It's not what they were told they were getting.

True, but even if it were pure beef, they probably would not be happy
knowing just what bits of the animal.

b) By definition, its source was uncontrolled, and it may be adulterated/
drugged whatever.

That is rather more to the point.





There is a pain killer used with horses which resides in the flesh and
if transferred to humans by eating has rather nasty side effects.
Bon Appetite!!
--
bert

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In message ,
RobertL writes
On Friday, February 8, 2013 11:04:39 AM UTC, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

Who are you quoting? I haven't heard anyone say that.

Robert

Probably the Food standards Agency AKA the Food Industry Propaganda
Machine.
--
bert

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On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:19:49 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

No doubt this story will run forever......

Looks like it's the Welsh now. Might have known.

Human DNA found in sheep?

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On 12/02/2013 17:53, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:13:57 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:

Sheeps wool encourages vermin.

The mice in our roof don't seem at all bother by the glass fibre
insulation. They make nests in just fine.


We had squirrels nesting in ours. But there are insects that _eat_ wool,
and AFAIK none that eat glass fibre.

Andy

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In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
Real horse meat for human consumption in countries which eat it
costs more than beef, so it's not a simple case of substituting
a cheaper ingredient, although in these cases it's going to be
the mechanically recovered meat that's used anyway, where this
may not apply. It may well be that the horse meat used wasn't
intended for human consumption, and that's being tested at the
moment.

Just heard an interview with the Germam company doing most of
the food DNA testing across the EU. They were initially very
surprised to find horse meat in beef, because they said horse
meat is normally much more expensive than beef. The interviewer
suggested that may mean the horse meat wasn't meant for human
consumption, and he said he couldn't tell, but he said it in a
way which implied that was his suspicion too. He said over half
the samples he's being sent for testing are testing positive
for horse DNA.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

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On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:06:24 AM UTC, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:19:49 -0800 (PST), harry

wrote:



No doubt this story will run forever......



Looks like it's the Welsh now. Might have known.



Human DNA found in sheep?

Maybe just Welsh human DNA in sheep, wonder how that'd get there ;-)

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:15:47 +0000, Andy Champ wrote:

Sheeps wool encourages vermin.

The mice in our roof don't seem at all bother by the glass fibre
insulation. They make nests in just fine.

We had squirrels nesting in ours. But there are insects that _eat_
wool, and AFAIK none that eat glass fibre.

Wool insulation is treated with borax to prevent insect attack.

--
Cheers
Dave.

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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
Real horse meat for human consumption in countries which eat it
costs more than beef, so it's not a simple case of substituting
a cheaper ingredient, although in these cases it's going to be
the mechanically recovered meat that's used anyway, where this
may not apply. It may well be that the horse meat used wasn't
intended for human consumption, and that's being tested at the
moment.

Just heard an interview with the Germam company doing most of
the food DNA testing across the EU. They were initially very
surprised to find horse meat in beef, because they said horse
meat is normally much more expensive than beef. The interviewer
suggested that may mean the horse meat wasn't meant for human
consumption, and he said he couldn't tell, but he said it in a
way which implied that was his suspicion too. He said over half
the samples he's being sent for testing are testing positive
for horse DNA.

Yeah, sounds plausible. Bet they're using the old
nags that used to just be used for pet food now.

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In message , Rod Speed
writes


"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
Real horse meat for human consumption in countries which eat it
costs more than beef, so it's not a simple case of substituting
a cheaper ingredient, although in these cases it's going to be
the mechanically recovered meat that's used anyway, where this
may not apply. It may well be that the horse meat used wasn't
intended for human consumption, and that's being tested at the
moment.

Just heard an interview with the Germam company doing most of
the food DNA testing across the EU. They were initially very
surprised to find horse meat in beef, because they said horse
meat is normally much more expensive than beef. The interviewer
suggested that may mean the horse meat wasn't meant for human
consumption, and he said he couldn't tell, but he said it in a
way which implied that was his suspicion too. He said over half
the samples he's being sent for testing are testing positive
for horse DNA.

Yeah, sounds plausible. Bet they're using the old
nags that used to just be used for pet food now.
Local market, foals going for a fiver.
--
bert

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On Feb 13, 1:50*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:15:47 +0000, Andy Champ wrote:
Sheeps wool encourages vermin.

The mice in our roof don't seem at all bother by the glass fibre
insulation. They make nests in just fine.

We had squirrels nesting in ours. But there are insects that _eat_
wool, and AFAIK none that eat glass fibre.

Wool insulation is treated with borax to prevent insect attack.


Right.........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax#Toxicity