Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

Hi all,

I have a double garage with a sloping 'big 6' corrugated asbestos roof
which is about 30+ years old. The roof joists are getting very wet in
places. At first I thought it must be due to rainwater getting in through
one or two of the holes through with the 6" galvanised roofing nails were
driven. However, after carefully sealing any possible such leaks, the
wetness continues. Yesterday (which was a cold but rain-free day), I went
into the garage and inspected the roof, just after nightfall, and I
discovered that almost the whole underside of the roof had a lot of
condensation on it. Since the roof is gently sloping, that condensation
runs along the enderide of each corrugation ridge, until it meets a joist.
That is where the water gets into the wood. One weird thing I noticed is
that some sheets of the asbestos seem more prone to condensation than
others.

Are there any tricks I can employ to stop the condensation?

If not, does anyone know of any way to divert the water away from the
joists? I thought of gluing a short length of string to the underside of
each ridge, just upward of each joist, so that the water drips down the
string and into the garage... but it's not a very satisfactory solution,
because I have a lot of perishable stuff stored in the garage.

Can anyone offer any suggestions?

Thank you...

JakeD

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:46:29 PM UTC, JakeD wrote:
Hi all,
I have a double garage with a sloping 'big 6' corrugated asbestos roof
which is about 30+ years old. The roof joists are getting very wet in
places. At first I thought it must be due to rainwater getting in through
one or two of the holes through with the 6" galvanised roofing nails were
driven. However, after carefully sealing any possible such leaks, the
wetness continues. Yesterday (which was a cold but rain-free day), I went
into the garage and inspected the roof, just after nightfall, and I
discovered that almost the whole underside of the roof had a lot of
condensation on it. Since the roof is gently sloping, that condensation
runs along the enderide of each corrugation ridge, until it meets a joist.
That is where the water gets into the wood. One weird thing I noticed is
that some sheets of the asbestos seem more prone to condensation than
others.
Are there any tricks I can employ to stop the condensation?
If not, does anyone know of any way to divert the water away from the
joists? I thought of gluing a short length of string to the underside of
each ridge, just upward of each joist, so that the water drips down the
string and into the garage... but it's not a very satisfactory solution,
because I have a lot of perishable stuff stored in the garage.
Can anyone offer any suggestions?
Thank you...
JakeD

You need to reduce interior RH. Look for the sources of damp.


NT

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

On Dec 19, 9:56*pm, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:46:29 PM UTC, JakeD wrote:
Hi all,
I have a double garage with a sloping 'big 6' corrugated asbestos roof
which is about 30+ years old. The roof joists are getting very wet in
places. At first I thought it must be due to rainwater getting in through
one or two of the holes through with the 6" galvanised roofing nails were
driven. However, after carefully sealing any possible such leaks, the
wetness continues. Yesterday (which was a cold but rain-free day), I went
into the garage and inspected the roof, just after nightfall, and I
discovered that almost the whole underside of the roof had a lot of
condensation on it. Since the roof is gently sloping, that condensation
runs along the enderide of each corrugation ridge, until it meets a joist.
That is where the water gets into the wood. One weird thing I noticed is
that some sheets of the asbestos seem more prone to condensation than
others.
Are there any tricks I can employ to stop the condensation?
If not, does anyone know of any way to divert the water away from the
joists? I thought of gluing a short length of string to the underside of
each ridge, just upward of each joist, so that the water drips down the
string and into the garage... but it's not a very satisfactory solution,
because I have a lot of perishable stuff stored in the garage.
Can anyone offer any suggestions?
Thank you...
JakeD

You need to reduce interior RH. Look for the sources of damp.

NT

The above is right. You may find the floor has no damp proof membrane
under it and is very damp. Water evaporates from it and condenses on
the roof. Check if the floor is damp first.
Floor paint might fix the problem, also improve ventilation.

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:00:04 -0800, harry wrote:

On Dec 19, 9:56Â*pm, wrote:

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:46:29 PM UTC, JakeD wrote:

I have a double garage with a sloping 'big 6' corrugated asbestos
roof which is about 30+ years old. The roof joists are getting very
wet in places. I discovered that almost the whole
underside of the roof had a lot of condensation on it.

You need to reduce interior RH. Look for the sources of damp.

The above is right. You may find the floor has no damp proof membrane
under it and is very damp. Water evaporates from it and condenses on the
roof. Check if the floor is damp first.
Floor paint might fix the problem, also improve ventilation.

The problem might be less ventilation than heat radiation from the roof.

If the roof temperature drops below the local dew point due to radiating heat into a clear sky, water will condense
on it anyway, irrespective of the ventilation. Perhaps sheets of bubble-wrap tacked to the joists might help;
bubble-wrap is frequently used in greenhouses partly for this purpose.



--
Terry Fields

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

On 20/12/2012 09:27, Terry Fields wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:00:04 -0800, harry wrote:

On Dec 19, 9:56 pm, wrote:

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:46:29 PM UTC, JakeD wrote:

I have a double garage with a sloping 'big 6' corrugated
asbestos roof which is about 30+ years old. The roof joists are
getting very wet in places. I discovered that almost the whole
underside of the roof had a lot of condensation on it.

You need to reduce interior RH. Look for the sources of damp.

The above is right. You may find the floor has no damp proof
membrane under it and is very damp. Water evaporates from it and
condenses on the roof. Check if the floor is damp first. Floor
paint might fix the problem, also improve ventilation.

The problem might be less ventilation than heat radiation from the
roof.

If the roof temperature drops below the local dew point due to
radiating heat into a clear sky, water will condense on it anyway,
irrespective of the ventilation. Perhaps sheets of bubble-wrap tacked
to the joists might help; bubble-wrap is frequently used in
greenhouses partly for this purpose.



Strange how often people notice condensation during periods of heavy
rain :) Must be warm(er) air coming from somewhere if it's condensing on
the underside of the roof.
Maybe asbestos becomes porous over time?

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:47:33 AM UTC, stuart noble wrote:
On 20/12/2012 09:27, Terry Fields wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:00:04 -0800, harry wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:56 pm, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:46:29 PM UTC, JakeD wrote:

I have a double garage with a sloping 'big 6' corrugated
asbestos roof which is about 30+ years old. The roof joists are
getting very wet in places. I discovered that almost the whole
underside of the roof had a lot of condensation on it.

You need to reduce interior RH. Look for the sources of damp.

The above is right. You may find the floor has no damp proof
membrane under it and is very damp. Water evaporates from it and
condenses on the roof. Check if the floor is damp first. Floor
paint might fix the problem, also improve ventilation.

The problem might be less ventilation than heat radiation from the
roof.

If the roof temperature drops below the local dew point due to
radiating heat into a clear sky, water will condense on it anyway,
irrespective of the ventilation. Perhaps sheets of bubble-wrap tacked
to the joists might help; bubble-wrap is frequently used in
greenhouses partly for this purpose.

Strange how often people notice condensation during periods of heavy
rain :)

A spike in RH and a sudden drop in temperature. There's also a bit of cooling due to evaporation after the rain.

Must be warm(er) air coming from somewhere if it's condensing on
the underside of the roof.

no

Maybe asbestos becomes porous over time?

no


NT

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On 19/12/2012 20:46, JakeD wrote:

I have a double garage with a sloping 'big 6' corrugated asbestos roof
which is about 30+ years old.

snip

Yesterday (which was a cold but rain-free day), I went
into the garage and inspected the roof, just after nightfall, and I
discovered that almost the whole underside of the roof had a lot of
condensation on it.

I have this problem with a garage, also roofed in Big 6. The problem is
far worse in areas where I'd slapped a coat of white paint on - could
have been a cheap masonry paint, or household emulsion, but definitely
water-based. The bare asbestos-cement sheets become damp, but I believe
they can absorb sufficient condensation that they don't drip. The
condensation is worst after a clear, frosty night, when presumably the
roof sheet temperature drops well below dewpoint of the air in the
garage. It's unheated, and draughty, and the floor has a good dpm.

Obviously I much regret painting it - almost as much as I regret using
the roofing sheets in the first place, but it was built for animal
housing with open-fronted hay and machinery storage bays. I've
considered fitting a ceiling and some insulation, but it would need a
vapour barrier to avoid condensation in places you can't see, and as
they were secondhand sheets 25 years ago they do have the odd crack and
nail hole that leak occasionally.

If I could be bothered, and thought I'd be here for a few more years,
I'd either re-roof it in insulated box-section steel or try
anti-condensation paint, which I understand works by providing an
absorbent layer.

--
Kevin

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Kevin wrote in news:kavlb6$k1n$1
@dont-email.me:

If I could be bothered, and thought I'd be here for a few more years,
I'd either re-roof it in insulated box-section steel or try
anti-condensation paint, which I understand works by providing an
absorbent layer.

Thanks to everyone for the input. Anti-condensation paint sounds
interesting. I must look for that.

Yes, mine was built about 20 years ago, using second-hand asbestos too.

I'm mainly concerned about the roof joists rotting due to the moisture
getting on them. Apart from that, the condensation is not really a problem.

Yes, it's interesting how and when the condensation appears. I took a look
in there today, just after nightfall, after a rainy day, (lots of damp air)
and there was no condensation at all.

The garage is already very well ventilated and there is no significant damp
inside coming up through the floor or walls, as it has a proper DPC, etc.

Perhaps I should make it even more well-ventilated, somehow. I don't know
though; you get dew forming on grass, outside, and "outside" is VERY well-
ventilated! :)

JakeD

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On 20/12/2012 22:43, JakeD wrote:
snip

The garage is already very well ventilated and there is no significant damp
inside coming up through the floor or walls, as it has a proper DPC, etc.

Perhaps I should make it even more well-ventilated, somehow. I don't know
though; you get dew forming on grass, outside, and "outside" is VERY well-
ventilated! :)


Indeed - and look at the condensation /dew / hoar frost you get on a car
parked outside, but not (so often) on one parked under a carport. Point
your infrared thermometer at a clear night sky, and you'll see why your
garage roof, or your car windscreen, is desperate to radiate to it,
causing its temperature to drop below that of the air above and below it.

--
Kevin

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"Kevin" wrote in message
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On 20/12/2012 22:43, JakeD wrote:
snip

The garage is already very well ventilated and there is no significant
damp
inside coming up through the floor or walls, as it has a proper DPC, etc.

Perhaps I should make it even more well-ventilated, somehow. I don't know
though; you get dew forming on grass, outside, and "outside" is VERY
well-
ventilated! :)


Indeed - and look at the condensation /dew / hoar frost you get on a car
parked outside, but not (so often) on one parked under a carport. Point
your infrared thermometer at a clear night sky, and you'll see why your
garage roof, or your car windscreen, is desperate to radiate to it,
causing its temperature to drop below that of the air above and below it.

--
Kevin

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we bought a steel garden shed and had the same problem. manufacturers said
to lay thin sheets of polyurathene foam right up against the roof and it
completely solved the condensation problem.

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

Kevin wrote:

If I could be bothered, and thought I'd be here for a few more years, I'd
either re-roof it in insulated box-section steel or try anti-condensation
paint, which I understand works by providing an absorbent layer.

I'd not heard of anti-condensation paint, so thanks for the mention. A
friend's garage (sectional concrete with corrugated metal roof) is plagued
with this condensation problem: perhaps a specialist paint would help. I'll
investigate.

Bert

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

"Bert Coules" wrote in
o.uk:

If I could be bothered, and thought I'd be here for a few more years,
I'd either re-roof it in insulated box-section steel or try
anti-condensation paint, which I understand works by providing an
absorbent layer.

I'd not heard of anti-condensation paint, so thanks for the mention.
A friend's garage (sectional concrete with corrugated metal roof) is
plagued with this condensation problem: perhaps a specialist paint
would help. I'll investigate.

Bert


Painting the inderside of the roofing sheets with polyurethane foam might
be even more effective?

JakeD

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

JakeD wrote:

Painting the inderside of the roofing sheets with polyurethane foam might
be even more effective?

Do you mean the expanding foam filler stuff? Can you paint with that?
Perhaps I've just been unlucky (or cack-handed) but my experience with it
has not been happy: it goes (and sticks) all over the place and the can
becomes unusuable after only a few squirts.

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:46:29 PM UTC, JakeD wrote:
Are there any tricks I can employ to stop the condensation?

Almost anything, singly or in combination, is useful.

* Reduce the moisture indoors. Seal leaks, paint floors, fit a dehumidifier..

* Reduce the chill effect of the roof by improving its insulation. Hard work, but worth it for workshops.

* Reduce the moisture getting near the roof sheets. Just polythene sheet (or bubblewrap) stapled across the joists and with an inch or two clear of the roof is worth doing. If all else fails, it will at least tend to trap the condensation drips and route them to the edges!

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

"Bert Coules" wrote in
o.uk:

JakeD wrote:

Painting the inderside of the roofing sheets with polyurethane foam
might be even more effective?

Do you mean the expanding foam filler stuff? Can you paint with that?
Perhaps I've just been unlucky (or cack-handed) but my experience with
it has not been happy: it goes (and sticks) all over the place and the
can becomes unusuable after only a few squirts.


It can be sprayed on (given the right equipment). There are companies that
specialise in spraying it onto the underside of roofs.

Al

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

"AL_n" wrote:

It can be sprayed on (given the right equipment). There are companies that
specialise in spraying it onto the underside of roofs.

I've come across that for house roofs but not for the sort of corrugated
metal garage roof that I was referring to he I was thinking more of a DIY
solution. But I'll investigate, thanks.

Bert

Stopping condensation on underside of asbestos outhouse roof...
 

replying to Kevin, Tony wrote:
Hi I have the same problem with my corrugated garage roof which has been cold
tar sealed on the outside and painted with Matt emulsion on the inside which
now explains all the condensation from the water based emulsion. I notice the
roofing sheets from the door to midway roughly dry out (no dripping) when I
have the garage door up for about 3-4 hours suggesting air circulation. Any
advice gratefully received Tony

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On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:44:05 UTC, Tony wrote:

Hi I have the same problem with my corrugated garage roof which has been cold
tar sealed on the outside and painted with Matt emulsion on the inside which
now explains all the condensation from the water based emulsion. I notice the
roofing sheets from the door to midway roughly dry out (no dripping) when I
have the garage door up for about 3-4 hours suggesting air circulation. Any
advice gratefully received Tony

You need to reduce RH. Your condensation has nothing to do with the roof's coatings. There are 3 ways to reduce RH:
1. Ventilation
2. Heat
3. Dehumidifier

Relying on ventilation alone is likely to result in dampness when outdoor conditions are damp. Heat costs. Dehumidifiers are cheap to run, but cost to buy of course.
If it's insulated, computer controlled heat just to limit RH to 80% is also an option. Ask Andrew Gabriel.


NT

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posted on December 19, 2012, 8:46 pm
Ahem.

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Hi I have the same problem with my corrugated garage roof which has been
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now explains all the condensation from the water based emulsion. I notice
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replying to john stone, Amanda Mdlulwa wrote:
thin sheets of polyurathene foam
Hi where did you buy the sheet?


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Â*thin sheets of polyurathene foam
Hi where did you buy the sheet?



Woolworths ?.

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Yes if anyone still has asbestos roofing good luck, its almost all gone
around here and why? Because it gets brittle and cracks and is a sod to get
rid of.
How old is this thread.
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In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
Yes if anyone still has asbestos roofing good luck, its almost all gone
around here and why? Because it gets brittle and cracks and is a sod to
get rid of. How old is this thread. Brian

Our garage has an asbestos-cement roof. 1975 vintage I think. It was here
when we bought then house in 1977.

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On 22/07/2019 16:14, Amanda Mdlulwa wrote:
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Â*thin sheets of polyurathene foam
Hi where did you buy the sheet?


stick on 2L2

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Â*thin sheets of polyurathene foam
Hi where did you buy the sheet?


stick on 2L2

+1 on adding polystyrene (sp) panels to he underside of the corrugated sheet though as t.o.p was concerned about the condensation rotting the joists/purlins perhaps insulation in the form of expanding foam injected between the sheets and the timber would solve that problem.

Personally I would not be concerned about the timber being rotted as I would imagine it would dry out once the condensation had gone and it will probably outlast the asbestos roof anyway