U values... I thought brick/cavity/brick wall was 1.73...
U values... I thought brick/cavity/brick wall was 1.73?
I get something quite different... Brick Commons - 102mm --- 0.132 Air Cavity - 50mm ------- 0.180 Brick - 102mm ----------- 0.132 Plaster - 6mm ----------- 0.025 Total R Value = 0.469 where U = 1/R = 2.132 Just noticed a cell in an old spreadsheet got corrupted and defaulted to 1.37 which I am sure is wrong, thought it was 1.73, but calculating from data I get 2.132 (6mm plaster, most are 13mm obviously). Thanks. |
U values... I thought brick/cavity/brick wall was 1.73...
On 01/12/2012 20:49, wrote:
U values... I thought brick/cavity/brick wall was 1.73? Sounds a bit high to me... A 9" sold wall would be about 2.2 I get something quite different... Brick Commons - 102mm --- 0.132 Air Cavity - 50mm ------- 0.180 Brick - 102mm ----------- 0.132 Plaster - 6mm ----------- 0.025 Total R Value = 0.469 where U = 1/R = 2.132 According to the figures we have he wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Heat_loss An uninsulated cavity wall should be about 1.0 Just noticed a cell in an old spreadsheet got corrupted and defaulted to 1.37 which I am sure is wrong, thought it was 1.73, but calculating from data I get 2.132 (6mm plaster, most are 13mm obviously). I think your spreadsheet sounds closer... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
U values... I thought brick/cavity/brick wall was 1.73...
On Dec 1, 8:49*pm, wrote:
U values... I thought brick/cavity/brick wall was 1.73? I get something quite different... Brick Commons - 102mm --- 0.132 Air Cavity - 50mm ------- 0.180 Brick - 102mm ----------- 0.132 Plaster - 6mm ----------- 0.025 Total R Value = 0.469 where U = 1/R = 2.132 Just noticed a cell in an old spreadsheet got corrupted and defaulted to 1.37 which I am sure is wrong, thought it was 1.73, but calculating from data I get 2.132 (6mm plaster, most are 13mm obviously). Thanks. The U values are only approximations anyway. Cavity walls have a wide variance because it depends on the amount of ventilation to the cavity. The U value I have for an uninsulated cavity wall is 1.2 Ditto insulation filled 0.6 Calculating heat losses is a very inexact science. |
U values... I thought brick/cavity/brick wall was 1.73...
Thanks for the replies, yes it is a loose estimate.
Wide range of U figures for brick/air/brick cavity... - 1.70 (Gov) - 1.37 (CBA calculator) - 1.37 (microgen calculator) - 1.00 (1980) UWE give a breakdown re typical figures... - 1.80 (early brick/air/brick cavity wall) - 1.70 (1972 brick/air/100-dense-block cavity wall) - 1.00 (1980 brick/air/100-LIGHT-block cavity wall) - 0.60 (1985 brick/air/125-LIGHT-block cavity wall) - 0.45 (1990 brick/ins/125-LIGHT-block cavity wall) I am interested in 1949-51 brick/air/brick, brick returns around windows & a few as ties, hygroscopic black mortar, cavity dirty re snots & narrow (more 35 than 50), bridged wall ties, well ventilated, porous bricks. UWE data... - 0.06 - Outside wall surface - 0.12 - Brick - 0.18 - Air Cavity - 0.12 - Brick - 0.08 - Gypsum Plaster - 0.12 - Inside wall surface - Total R = 0.68 - Total U = 1.47 BuildDesk data... - 0.0600 - Outside wall surface - 0.1325 - Brick outer leaf & Mortar - 0.0000 - WELL VENTILATED AIR LAYER - 0.1821 - Brick inner leaf & Mortar - 0.0722 - Gypsum Plaster (600kg/m^3) - 0.1300 - Inside wall surface - Total R = 0.58 - Total U = 1.73 BuildDesk data... - 0.0600 - Outside wall surface - 0.1325 - Brick outer leaf & Mortar - 0.1800 - UNVENTILATED AIRSPACE: HORIZONTAL HEAT FLOW - 0.1821 - Brick inner leaf & Mortar - 0.0722 - Gypsum Plaster (600kg/m^3) - 0.1300 - Inside wall surface - Total R = 0.76 - Total U = 1.32 Cavity is not open, but not unventilated re numerous air bricks. So for my own use re 1949-51 I think UWE 1.47 is more appropriate? |
U values... I thought brick/cavity/brick wall was 1.73...
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U values... I thought brick/cavity/brick wall was 1.73...
On Sunday, December 2, 2012 9:25:02 PM UTC, Hugo Nebula wrote:
You haven't included internal and external surface resistances, which IIRC add 0.13 & 0.04 m^2K/W respectively to the resistance. There's also different R-values for the brick on the inner & outer leaves (the outer is lower due to moisture). Thanks, and got some better figures. Got BuildDesk and will try (!) to calculate a U value for leaded porch entry, as well as the pebbledash over 2.5" or whatever timber & cinder infil upstairs bay. I bet both of those will be quite interesting - apart from "a LOT of heat loss". Bought a few hundred pounds worth of 40-60mm Varme & 50-80mm Celotex insulation for an amputee relative and just updating areas, some previously done. Usually it is the stump that is more sensitive to cold re phantom pain, but it is her other (longer!) leg. Plus some 30mm Varme for on the raft where the damp quarry tiles on rubble grade mortar are to be replaced, 3 outside walls on that room so the usual circa 0.5 U value for a concrete raft is noticeably less. |
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