Wasn't too sure at first, especially when I saw the forerunner shown
as some sort of example - didn't like that one at all.
As it turned out, the one in the programme was a delight, and the
occupants (and their neighbours) came across as non-pitas.
There's a similar (but smaller) larch box on the south coast near me
and it's a total blot on the landscape - looks like a packing case
toppled over. The Skye-house architect managed to avoid that
particular pitfall, I'm glad to say.

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
Wasn't too sure at first, especially when I saw the forerunner shown
as some sort of example - didn't like that one at all.
As it turned out, the one in the programme was a delight, and the
occupants (and their neighbours) came across as non-pitas.
There's a similar (but smaller) larch box on the south coast near me
and it's a total blot on the landscape - looks like a packing case
toppled over. The Skye-house architect managed to avoid that
particular pitfall, I'm glad to say.


What was a shame however, given that they kept blatting on about how
beautiful the views were, was the bloody great windmills a couple of hundred
yards away. I noticed that they were careful to show them as little as
possible.

Did anyone hear Vine on radio 2 at lunchtime today ? They were debating wind
vs nuke now that the Japs in the form of Hitachi have come on the scene to
get involved with the British project. Vine came out with a typically
hysterical statement that the fissionable material is so dangerous that if a
golf-ball sized piece was put at the centre of a football field, you'd be
dead before you had managed to walk out of the goal mouth. Where do they get
this crap from ?

Arfa

On Nov 1, 2:01*am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message

...

Wasn't too sure at first, especially when I saw the forerunner shown
as some sort of example - didn't like that one at all.
As it turned out, the one in the programme was a delight, and the
occupants (and their neighbours) came across as non-pitas.
There's a similar (but smaller) larch box on the south coast near me
and it's a total blot on the landscape - looks like a packing case
toppled over. The Skye-house architect managed to avoid that
particular pitfall, I'm glad to say.

What was a shame however, given that they kept blatting on about how
beautiful the views were, was the bloody great windmills a couple of hundred
yards away. I noticed that they were careful to show them as little as
possible.

Did anyone hear Vine on radio 2 at lunchtime today ? They were debating wind
vs nuke now that the Japs in the form of Hitachi have come on the scene to
get involved with the British project. Vine came out with a typically
hysterical statement that the fissionable material is so dangerous that if a
golf-ball sized piece was put at the centre of a football field, you'd be
dead before you had managed to walk out of the goal mouth. Where do they get
this crap from ?

Arfa

Now we'll see the electric bills go up. Nothing more expensive than
nuclear.I wonder who'll be running/financing all this lot? Are we all/
the gov. getting into more debt?

And we'll be going into nuclear when others are getting out.
Typical.

harry wrote:


Now we'll see the electric bills go up. Nothing more expensive than
nuclear.I wonder who'll be running/financing all this lot? Are we all/
the gov. getting into more debt?

And we'll be going into nuclear when others are getting out.
Typical.

Are your PV panels going to save the day?


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"harry" wrote in message
...
On Nov 1, 2:01 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message

...

Wasn't too sure at first, especially when I saw the forerunner shown
as some sort of example - didn't like that one at all.
As it turned out, the one in the programme was a delight, and the
occupants (and their neighbours) came across as non-pitas.
There's a similar (but smaller) larch box on the south coast near me
and it's a total blot on the landscape - looks like a packing case
toppled over. The Skye-house architect managed to avoid that
particular pitfall, I'm glad to say.

What was a shame however, given that they kept blatting on about how
beautiful the views were, was the bloody great windmills a couple of
hundred
yards away. I noticed that they were careful to show them as little as
possible.

Did anyone hear Vine on radio 2 at lunchtime today ? They were debating
wind
vs nuke now that the Japs in the form of Hitachi have come on the scene
to
get involved with the British project. Vine came out with a typically
hysterical statement that the fissionable material is so dangerous that
if a
golf-ball sized piece was put at the centre of a football field, you'd be
dead before you had managed to walk out of the goal mouth. Where do they
get
this crap from ?

Arfa

Now we'll see the electric bills go up. Nothing more expensive than
nuclear.I wonder who'll be running/financing all this lot? Are we all/
the gov. getting into more debt?

And we'll be going into nuclear when others are getting out.
Typical.


Expected groundless hysteria from Harry, of course ... Listen to Vine's
programme from yesterday (Wednesday) , between 1 hour 26 mins and 1 hour 30
mins - assuming you know how.

Vine had a guy from Switzerland on the programme who said that the green
lobbyists had managed to get all the nuke shut down over there, after
misleading the public and then having a vote on it, and that now, their
energy ministers had just announced that bills would increase by 200% as a
result, so yes, it will be interesting to see what happens to our bills if
we get the nuclear program back up and running. But no matter what, the
biggest advantage in my eyes, would be the freeing up of our need to be
beholden to the Frogs and Russkies for our energy, at the prices that they
charge us. Perhaps when Europe have shut down all theirs, we too will be
able to join the TTP club, and sell 'em some back. It would be good to
squeeze them until their pips squeak, like they routinely do to us ...

It is completely unacceptable that we might not have enough energy
capability to run the country in a few years' time as a result of shutting
down all our generation capability to try and meet ludicrous emissions
targets, and then trying to replace it with equally ludicrous 'clean'
generation methods like wind. If the answer to that is to build some nukes,
then that route has my vote. As to it being a Japanese company -
specifically Hitachi - who are going to help with this, far from being
worried, I am actually reassured, having dealt with Hitachi's products
virtually since they first appeared on the market, and in that time, always
having found the design and build quality to be right up there with the
best.

Now if they had said that Amstrad were getting involved ...

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:


Vine had a guy from Switzerland on the programme who said that the green
lobbyists had managed to get all the nuke shut down over there, after
misleading the public and then having a vote on it,

That would be as much the fault of the government for not countering the
arguments.

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moral busybodies."

On 01/11/12 07:55, Huge wrote:
On 2012-11-01, Arfa Daily wrote:

Did anyone hear Vine on radio 2 at lunchtime today ? They were debating wind
vs nuke now that the Japs in the form of Hitachi have come on the scene to
get involved with the British project. Vine came out with a typically
hysterical statement that the fissionable material is so dangerous that if a
golf-ball sized piece was put at the centre of a football field, you'd be
dead before you had managed to walk out of the goal mouth. Where do they get
this crap from ?

No-one in the media has any scientific training ...


Its a shame because J Vine is usually broad minded and intelligent.


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rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 01/11/12 08:19, harry wrote:
On Nov 1, 2:01 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message

...

Wasn't too sure at first, especially when I saw the forerunner shown
as some sort of example - didn't like that one at all.
As it turned out, the one in the programme was a delight, and the
occupants (and their neighbours) came across as non-pitas.
There's a similar (but smaller) larch box on the south coast near me
and it's a total blot on the landscape - looks like a packing case
toppled over. The Skye-house architect managed to avoid that
particular pitfall, I'm glad to say.

What was a shame however, given that they kept blatting on about how
beautiful the views were, was the bloody great windmills a couple of hundred
yards away. I noticed that they were careful to show them as little as
possible.

Did anyone hear Vine on radio 2 at lunchtime today ? They were debating wind
vs nuke now that the Japs in the form of Hitachi have come on the scene to
get involved with the British project. Vine came out with a typically
hysterical statement that the fissionable material is so dangerous that if a
golf-ball sized piece was put at the centre of a football field, you'd be
dead before you had managed to walk out of the goal mouth. Where do they get
this crap from ?

Arfa

Now we'll see the electric bills go up. Nothing more expensive than
nuclear.

SPIV lies again

Wind is vastly more expensive than nuclear and as for solar..sheesh.

Nuclear power is what's been keeping bills DOWN.

I wonder who'll be running/financing all this lot? Are we all/
the gov. getting into more debt?


No harry, though your pension fund might.


And we'll be going into nuclear when others are getting out.
Typical.

Excellent reason to do it. Never follow lemmings over the cliff.



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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 01/11/12 09:08, Tim Watts wrote:
harry wrote:


Now we'll see the electric bills go up. Nothing more expensive than
nuclear.I wonder who'll be running/financing all this lot? Are we all/
the gov. getting into more debt?

And we'll be going into nuclear when others are getting out.
Typical.

Are your PV panels going to save the day?


Not once the guvmint is so broke that the power companies tell him to
**** off when he tries to sell them electricity at ten times the going
rate...and he tries to sue them for breach of contract...whereupon they
refuse to supply him at all and he goes totally off line all winter :-)




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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 01/11/12 09:29, Arfa Daily wrote:
If the answer to that is to build
some nukes, then that route has my vote. As to it being a Japanese
company - specifically Hitachi - who are going to help with this, far
from being worried, I am actually reassured, having dealt with Hitachi's
products virtually since they first appeared on the market, and in that
time, always having found the design and build quality to be right up
there with the best.

Now if they had said that Amstrad were getting involved ...


ARRGGHH!!

Worse still a Sinclair Reactor or a Dyson one with transparent windows
in the side so you can 'see the neutrons' and 'know when to empty it'

BWRs are rather old hat, like a Porsche, but developed as they are they
will do the job, and at a sane price too. Areva has cocked up the AP1000
it seems.

And some of re latest Russian kit aint to bad either.

Are Babcock making the pressure vessels? Or just the turbiney bit with
Rolls Royce?



Arfa


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 01/11/12 09:42, Tim Watts wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote:


Vine had a guy from Switzerland on the programme who said that the green
lobbyists had managed to get all the nuke shut down over there, after
misleading the public and then having a vote on it,

That would be as much the fault of the government for not countering the
arguments.

But it was the government who went all 'green' on this.

They wanted out of nuclear, despite the fact that Switzerland being
almost 100% hydro nuke - and it doesn't get cleaner than that - has
virtually a zero carbon footprint when it comes to electricity.

They will have to build coal now..

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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

In article
s.com, harry scribeth thus
On Nov 1, 2:01*am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message

...

Wasn't too sure at first, especially when I saw the forerunner shown
as some sort of example - didn't like that one at all.
As it turned out, the one in the programme was a delight, and the
occupants (and their neighbours) came across as non-pitas.
There's a similar (but smaller) larch box on the south coast near me
and it's a total blot on the landscape - looks like a packing case
toppled over. The Skye-house architect managed to avoid that
particular pitfall, I'm glad to say.

What was a shame however, given that they kept blatting on about how
beautiful the views were, was the bloody great windmills a couple of hundred
yards away. I noticed that they were careful to show them as little as
possible.

Did anyone hear Vine on radio 2 at lunchtime today ? They were debating wind
vs nuke now that the Japs in the form of Hitachi have come on the scene to
get involved with the British project. Vine came out with a typically
hysterical statement that the fissionable material is so dangerous that if a
golf-ball sized piece was put at the centre of a football field, you'd be
dead before you had managed to walk out of the goal mouth. Where do they get
this crap from ?

Arfa

Now we'll see the electric bills go up. Nothing more expensive than
nuclear.I wonder who'll be running/financing all this lot? Are we all/
the gov. getting into more debt?



And we'll be going into nuclear when others are getting out.
Typical.

Harry ..

We can't all live in polystyrene boxes like you do or want to;!...
--
Tony Sayer

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 01/11/12 09:42, Tim Watts wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote:


Vine had a guy from Switzerland on the programme who said that the green
lobbyists had managed to get all the nuke shut down over there, after
misleading the public and then having a vote on it,

That would be as much the fault of the government for not countering the
arguments.

But it was the government who went all 'green' on this.

They wanted out of nuclear, despite the fact that Switzerland being
almost 100% hydro nuke - and it doesn't get cleaner than that - has
virtually a zero carbon footprint when it comes to electricity.

They will have to build coal now..


I see out Nuclear output is down a couple of MW from where it normally
is what are they doing refuelling or something?...

--
Tony Sayer

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/11/12 09:42, Tim Watts wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote:


Vine had a guy from Switzerland on the programme who said that the green
lobbyists had managed to get all the nuke shut down over there, after
misleading the public and then having a vote on it,

That would be as much the fault of the government for not countering the
arguments.

But it was the government who went all 'green' on this.

They wanted out of nuclear, despite the fact that Switzerland being
almost 100% hydro nuke - and it doesn't get cleaner than that - has
virtually a zero carbon footprint when it comes to electricity.

They will have to build coal now..


In which case, the people have learnt a valuable lesson - and as it seems
that democracy actually works in Switzerland (relative to here) they might
be in a position to do something about it.


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On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:59:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 01/11/12 09:29, Arfa Daily wrote:
If the answer to that is to build
some nukes, then that route has my vote. As to it being a Japanese
company - specifically Hitachi - who are going to help with this, far
from being worried, I am actually reassured, having dealt with Hitachi's
products virtually since they first appeared on the market, and in that
time, always having found the design and build quality to be right up
there with the best.

Now if they had said that Amstrad were getting involved ...


ARRGGHH!!

Worse still a Sinclair Reactor or a Dyson one with transparent windows
in the side so you can 'see the neutrons' and 'know when to empty it'

BWRs are rather old hat, like a Porsche, but developed as they are they
will do the job, and at a sane price too. Areva has cocked up the AP1000
it seems.

And some of re latest Russian kit aint to bad either.

Are Babcock making the pressure vessels? Or just the turbiney bit with
Rolls Royce?

The pressure vessels are one bit that is highly likely to be UK sourced, RR are
more likely to be involved with the reactor build.

The turbines will be coming from overseas, most likely from France, possibly
from Germany or Japan. The UK lost expertise in large turbines during the
1980's because the home market evaporated and without a home market it is often
very difficult to sell anything overseas. Nothing wrong with the companies,
nothing wrong with the technology - the French bought the UK turbine industry,
with French government cash, and then shut it down to protect French jobs.


--

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:28:46 +0000, tony sayer wrote:

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 01/11/12 09:42, Tim Watts wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote:


Vine had a guy from Switzerland on the programme who said that the green
lobbyists had managed to get all the nuke shut down over there, after
misleading the public and then having a vote on it,

That would be as much the fault of the government for not countering the
arguments.

But it was the government who went all 'green' on this.

They wanted out of nuclear, despite the fact that Switzerland being
almost 100% hydro nuke - and it doesn't get cleaner than that - has
virtually a zero carbon footprint when it comes to electricity.

They will have to build coal now..


I see out Nuclear output is down a couple of MW from where it normally
is what are they doing refuelling or something?...


"couple of MW"

GW ?

AGR's normally refuel on load. One unit is offline at Heysham 1, one at Heysham
2, one at Dungeness B. Total loss of about 1.8GW, at least one of the above
will be offload all winter.


--

In article , The Other Mike
scribeth thus
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:28:46 +0000, tony sayer wrote:

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 01/11/12 09:42, Tim Watts wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote:


Vine had a guy from Switzerland on the programme who said that the green
lobbyists had managed to get all the nuke shut down over there, after
misleading the public and then having a vote on it,

That would be as much the fault of the government for not countering the
arguments.

But it was the government who went all 'green' on this.

They wanted out of nuclear, despite the fact that Switzerland being
almost 100% hydro nuke - and it doesn't get cleaner than that - has
virtually a zero carbon footprint when it comes to electricity.

They will have to build coal now..


I see out Nuclear output is down a couple of MW from where it normally
is what are they doing refuelling or something?...


"couple of MW"

GW ?


Yes of course Giggle Wots...

AGR's normally refuel on load. One unit is offline at Heysham 1, one at Heysham
2, one at Dungeness B. Total loss of about 1.8GW, at least one of the above
will be offload all winter.


Lets hope its not too harsh then. ISTR reading somewhere that the supply
system isn't as high a capacity as it might be...
--
Tony Sayer

On 01/11/12 10:28, tony sayer wrote:


I see out Nuclear output is down a couple of MW from where it normally
is what are they doing refuelling or something?...

I guess so. generally they like to have everything sorted by Christmas,
because Jan-Feb is when we really chew electrons,.



It looks like the French ICT is up again at 1.5GW at least. Maybe full
power.

If this winter is as bad as last, France will need every last bit of
coal we can toss in the boilers come January.


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members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Wasn't too sure at first, especially when I saw the forerunner shown
as some sort of example - didn't like that one at all.
As it turned out, the one in the programme was a delight, and the
occupants (and their neighbours) came across as non-pitas.
There's a similar (but smaller) larch box on the south coast near me
and it's a total blot on the landscape - looks like a packing case
toppled over. The Skye-house architect managed to avoid that
particular pitfall, I'm glad to say.

Was a good prog and nice to see something 'affordable', but I'd have liked
it to be less angular. All the hills round it were, err, rounded. The
ancient 'black' houses showed the way.

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On 01/11/12 14:34, The Other Mike wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:28:46 +0000, tony sayer wrote:

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 01/11/12 09:42, Tim Watts wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote:


Vine had a guy from Switzerland on the programme who said that the green
lobbyists had managed to get all the nuke shut down over there, after
misleading the public and then having a vote on it,

That would be as much the fault of the government for not countering the
arguments.

But it was the government who went all 'green' on this.

They wanted out of nuclear, despite the fact that Switzerland being
almost 100% hydro nuke - and it doesn't get cleaner than that - has
virtually a zero carbon footprint when it comes to electricity.

They will have to build coal now..


I see out Nuclear output is down a couple of MW from where it normally
is what are they doing refuelling or something?...


"couple of MW"

GW ?

AGR's normally refuel on load. One unit is offline at Heysham 1, one at Heysham
2, one at Dungeness B. Total loss of about 1.8GW, at least one of the above
will be offload all winter.


Gotta link for that?
And a reason why?



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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On Nov 1, 9:08*am, Tim Watts wrote:
harry wrote:

Now we'll see the electric bills go up. Nothing more expensive than
nuclear.I wonder who'll be running/financing all this lot? Are we all/
the gov. getting into more debt?

And we'll be going into nuclear when others are getting out.
Typical.

Are your PV panels going to save the day?



They'll help.

On 01/11/12 16:32, harry wrote:
On Nov 1, 9:08 am, Tim Watts wrote:
harry wrote:

Now we'll see the electric bills go up. Nothing more expensive than
nuclear.I wonder who'll be running/financing all this lot? Are we all/
the gov. getting into more debt?

And we'll be going into nuclear when others are getting out.
Typical.

Are your PV panels going to save the day?



They'll help.

They wont if you lose the grid altogether.

Try switching off your main breaker and see how much use they are.


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members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
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diminishing number of producers.

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:59:17 AM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/11/12 09:29, Arfa Daily wrote:

If the answer to that is to build
some nukes, then that route has my vote. As to it being a Japanese
company - specifically Hitachi - who are going to help with this, far
from being worried, I am actually reassured, having dealt with Hitachi's
products virtually since they first appeared on the market, and in that
time, always having found the design and build quality to be right up
there with the best.

Now if they had said that Amstrad were getting involved ...

Build quality in retail products and nukes are of course totally different animals.


ARRGGHH!!
Worse still a Sinclair Reactor or a Dyson one with transparent windows
in the side so you can 'see the neutrons' and 'know when to empty it'
BWRs are rather old hat, like a Porsche, but developed as they are they
will do the job, and at a sane price too. Areva has cocked up the AP1000
it seems.
And some of re latest Russian kit aint to bad either.
Are Babcock making the pressure vessels? Or just the turbiney bit with
Rolls Royce?
Arfa

As long as they don't call it Chernobyl B.


NT

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:28:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 01/11/12 14:34, The Other Mike wrote:

AGR's normally refuel on load. One unit is offline at Heysham 1, one at Heysham
2, one at Dungeness B. Total loss of about 1.8GW, at least one of the above
will be offload all winter.


Gotta link for that?
And a reason why?

Not a publically accessible one. My info comes from a contact in the industry.

No idea about the reasons, some companies are quite open about restrictions on
their ability to generate. EDF don't fall into that category.


--

On 01/11/12 17:40, The Other Mike wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:28:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 01/11/12 14:34, The Other Mike wrote:

AGR's normally refuel on load. One unit is offline at Heysham 1, one at Heysham
2, one at Dungeness B. Total loss of about 1.8GW, at least one of the above
will be offload all winter.


Gotta link for that?
And a reason why?

Not a publically accessible one. My info comes from a contact in the industry.


Ok.

No idea about the reasons, some companies are quite open about restrictions on
their ability to generate. EDF don't fall into that category.


Mmm....


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diminishing number of producers.

On 01/11/12 17:05, wrote:
On Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:59:17 AM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/11/12 09:29, Arfa Daily wrote:

If the answer to that is to build
some nukes, then that route has my vote. As to it being a Japanese
company - specifically Hitachi - who are going to help with this, far
from being worried, I am actually reassured, having dealt with Hitachi's
products virtually since they first appeared on the market, and in that
time, always having found the design and build quality to be right up
there with the best.

Now if they had said that Amstrad were getting involved ...

Build quality in retail products and nukes are of course totally different animals.


ARRGGHH!!
Worse still a Sinclair Reactor or a Dyson one with transparent windows
in the side so you can 'see the neutrons' and 'know when to empty it'
BWRs are rather old hat, like a Porsche, but developed as they are they
will do the job, and at a sane price too. Areva has cocked up the AP1000
it seems.
And some of re latest Russian kit aint to bad either.
Are Babcock making the pressure vessels? Or just the turbiney bit with
Rolls Royce?
Arfa

As long as they don't call it Chernobyl B.


That's a good name for a firework......

I mean. if you saw that on one you would HAVE to buy it to see what it
did...



NT



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members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 01:53:05 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

What was a shame however, given that they kept blatting on about how
beautiful the views were, was the bloody great windmills a couple of hundred
yards away. I noticed that they were careful to show them as little as
possible.

So what?
If I lived on Skye I'd be bloody delighted to have a windmill at the
back of the house.

wrote in message
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On Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:59:17 AM UTC, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 01/11/12 09:29, Arfa Daily wrote:

If the answer to that is to build
some nukes, then that route has my vote. As to it being a Japanese
company - specifically Hitachi - who are going to help with this, far
from being worried, I am actually reassured, having dealt with
Hitachi's
products virtually since they first appeared on the market, and in that
time, always having found the design and build quality to be right up
there with the best.

Now if they had said that Amstrad were getting involved ...

Build quality in retail products and nukes are of course totally different
animals.



Hitachi don't just make 'retail' products, of course ...

http://hitachi.eu/index.jsp

Arfa

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 01:53:05 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

What was a shame however, given that they kept blatting on about how
beautiful the views were, was the bloody great windmills a couple of
hundred
yards away. I noticed that they were careful to show them as little as
possible.

So what?
If I lived on Skye I'd be bloody delighted to have a windmill at the
back of the house.


Then I feel that you would be in the minority ...

Arfa

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 02:19:06 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

So what?
If I lived on Skye I'd be bloody delighted to have a windmill at the
back of the house.


Then I feel that you would be in the minority ..

Have you actually asked the people on Skye?
The people who, knowing that they were among the last in the UK to get
mains power, aren't given much of a ****e about by the powers that be?
The people who, if there's a major breakdown in overground /underwater
power links, know that they will still have some locally-produced
power?

Mind you, there are so many ****ing incomers on the island now, it'd
be bloody hard to find some with a clue.

On 02/11/12 06:18, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 02:19:06 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

So what?
If I lived on Skye I'd be bloody delighted to have a windmill at the
back of the house.


Then I feel that you would be in the minority ..

Have you actually asked the people on Skye?
The people who, knowing that they were among the last in the UK to get
mains power, aren't given much of a ****e about by the powers that be?
The people who, if there's a major breakdown in overground /underwater
power links, know that they will still have some locally-produced
power?


Unlikey. Most windmills don't operate standalone: need a grid to synch to.

Mind you, there are so many ****ing incomers on the island now, it'd
be bloody hard to find some with a clue.



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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:00:43 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Unlikey. Most windmills don't operate standalone: need a grid to synch to.


A genset can do that.