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polygonum October 22nd 12 09:39 PM

Water-based Paint
 
Have been doing a bit of interior painting recently - where I have been
using Joncryl primer/undercoat and Johnstone's acrylic sheen. Because I
have been switching between the two, I have repeatedly washed the brush
out after doing one or two door sides. (With oil-based I'd have used two
brushes and not cleaned fully till the end. But it is so easy to wash
out the water-based...)

The washing out and thereby not allowing any significant accumulation of
drying paint to occur made life so much nicer. Previous usage of
water-based I have tended to keep going, going, going and getting a
slowly-drying ridge of paint towards the top of the brush - but never again.

And the paint finish has been as good as any I have ever achieved. I
like this new era of water-based...

--
Rod

mike[_7_] October 22nd 12 10:18 PM

Water-based Paint
 
On Oct 22, 9:39*pm, polygonum wrote:
Have been doing a bit of interior painting recently - where I have been
using Joncryl primer/undercoat and Johnstone's acrylic sheen. Because I
have been switching between the two, I have repeatedly washed the brush
out after doing one or two door sides. (With oil-based I'd have used two
brushes and not cleaned fully till the end. But it is so easy to wash
out the water-based...)

The washing out and thereby not allowing any significant accumulation of
drying paint to occur made life so much nicer. Previous usage of
water-based I have tended to keep going, going, going and getting a
slowly-drying ridge of paint towards the top of the brush - but never again.

And the paint finish has been as good as any I have ever achieved. I
like this new era of water-based...

--
Rod


Despite appearing to be a really bad gimmick, these do actually work
very well:

http://www.handysolutionsuk.com/Dand...Cle aners.htm

Bugger all use with a pad, though.


polygonum October 22nd 12 10:26 PM

Water-based Paint
 
On 22/10/2012 22:18, mike wrote:


Despite appearing to be a really bad gimmick, these do actually work
very well:

http://www.handysolutionsuk.com/Dand...Cle aners.htm

Bugger all use with a pad, though.

That was quite the worst quality video I have seen in, umm, ages. :-)

Have thought many times of getting one - but it only took a very little
effort to clean my brush. So will probably skip it unless/until I need
to use oil-based again - if that ever occurs.

--
Rod

Stuart Noble October 23rd 12 08:11 AM

Water-based Paint
 
On 22/10/2012 21:39, polygonum wrote:
Have been doing a bit of interior painting recently - where I have been
using Joncryl primer/undercoat and Johnstone's acrylic sheen. Because I
have been switching between the two, I have repeatedly washed the brush
out after doing one or two door sides. (With oil-based I'd have used two
brushes and not cleaned fully till the end. But it is so easy to wash
out the water-based...)

The washing out and thereby not allowing any significant accumulation of
drying paint to occur made life so much nicer. Previous usage of
water-based I have tended to keep going, going, going and getting a
slowly-drying ridge of paint towards the top of the brush - but never
again.

And the paint finish has been as good as any I have ever achieved. I
like this new era of water-based...


The problems with water based have been a) retarding the drying to allow
the paint to form a uniform film and b) imparting toughness into a film
that will perform at low temperatures. I don't think there will ever be
a good gloss, but undercoat and satin seem to work well enough. Not sure
about high traffic skirting etc though.
There are superb acrylic finishes (these days on most cars I would
think) but they need a precisely controlled temperature during
application and drying. Not easy given how the temperature drops during
spraying. Maybe they dip cars now?

polygonum October 23rd 12 09:03 AM

Water-based Paint
 
On 23/10/2012 08:11, stuart noble wrote:
On 22/10/2012 21:39, polygonum wrote:
Have been doing a bit of interior painting recently - where I have been
using Joncryl primer/undercoat and Johnstone's acrylic sheen. Because I
have been switching between the two, I have repeatedly washed the brush
out after doing one or two door sides. (With oil-based I'd have used two
brushes and not cleaned fully till the end. But it is so easy to wash
out the water-based...)

The washing out and thereby not allowing any significant accumulation of
drying paint to occur made life so much nicer. Previous usage of
water-based I have tended to keep going, going, going and getting a
slowly-drying ridge of paint towards the top of the brush - but never
again.

And the paint finish has been as good as any I have ever achieved. I
like this new era of water-based...


The problems with water based have been a) retarding the drying to allow
the paint to form a uniform film and b) imparting toughness into a film
that will perform at low temperatures. I don't think there will ever be
a good gloss, but undercoat and satin seem to work well enough. Not sure
about high traffic skirting etc though.
There are superb acrylic finishes (these days on most cars I would
think) but they need a precisely controlled temperature during
application and drying. Not easy given how the temperature drops during
spraying. Maybe they dip cars now?


They do not dip top coats - might do so for some bottom layer(s). And
they most certainly do not dip on refinish! (E.g. repair after accident.)

Many refinish works never use anything but some form of
acrylic/water-based and do not smell much of any solvent.

--
Rod

[email protected] October 23rd 12 03:49 PM

Water-based Paint
 
On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:11:10 AM UTC+1, stuart noble wrote:

The problems with water based have been a) retarding the drying to allow
the paint to form a uniform film and b) imparting toughness into a film
that will perform at low temperatures. I don't think there will ever be
a good gloss, but undercoat and satin seem to work well enough.

From a user's point of view - as far as I am concerned the main problem with water based paints has been with the water causing raised grain on woodwork. Obviously this isn't a problem if you're not painting wood, or there are no exposed patches of bare wood, but I've had problems with water based primers. It's frustrating when you've sanded everything down to a nice smooth finish and then someone slaps water based paint on and you have to do it all again...
On the other hand looking at the cheap panelled doors made with fake raised grain on the hardboard facings - maybe that's what the suppliers think people want?

polygonum October 23rd 12 05:47 PM

Water-based Paint
 
On 23/10/2012 15:49, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:11:10 AM UTC+1, stuart noble wrote:

The problems with water based have been a) retarding the drying to
allow the paint to form a uniform film and b) imparting toughness
into a film that will perform at low temperatures. I don't think
there will ever be a good gloss, but undercoat and satin seem to
work well enough.

From a user's point of view - as far as I am concerned the main
problem with water based paints has been with the water causing
raised grain on woodwork. Obviously this isn't a problem if you're
not painting wood, or there are no exposed patches of bare wood, but
I've had problems with water based primers. It's frustrating when
you've sanded everything down to a nice smooth finish and then
someone slaps water based paint on and you have to do it all again...
On the other hand looking at the cheap panelled doors made with fake
raised grain on the hardboard facings - maybe that's what the
suppliers think people want?

Completely agree that they can raise the grain. But, in that sense
luckily for me, most of my painting is re-decorating where the substrate
is already pretty well covered.

--
Rod

Stuart Noble October 23rd 12 06:02 PM

Water-based Paint
 
On 23/10/2012 17:47, polygonum wrote:
On 23/10/2012 15:49, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:11:10 AM UTC+1, stuart noble wrote:

The problems with water based have been a) retarding the drying to
allow the paint to form a uniform film and b) imparting toughness
into a film that will perform at low temperatures. I don't think
there will ever be a good gloss, but undercoat and satin seem to
work well enough.

From a user's point of view - as far as I am concerned the main
problem with water based paints has been with the water causing
raised grain on woodwork. Obviously this isn't a problem if you're
not painting wood, or there are no exposed patches of bare wood, but
I've had problems with water based primers. It's frustrating when
you've sanded everything down to a nice smooth finish and then
someone slaps water based paint on and you have to do it all again...
On the other hand looking at the cheap panelled doors made with fake
raised grain on the hardboard facings - maybe that's what the
suppliers think people want?

Completely agree that they can raise the grain. But, in that sense
luckily for me, most of my painting is re-decorating where the substrate
is already pretty well covered.


IME they only raise the grain on badly prepared timber

S Viemeister[_2_] October 23rd 12 06:14 PM

Water-based Paint
 
On 10/23/2012 1:02 PM, stuart noble wrote:
On 23/10/2012 17:47, polygonum wrote:


Completely agree that they can raise the grain. But, in that sense
luckily for me, most of my painting is re-decorating where the substrate
is already pretty well covered.


IME they only raise the grain on badly prepared timber


I brush a thin coat of shellac on raw wood, before using water-based paint.

[email protected] October 23rd 12 06:30 PM

Water-based Paint
 
On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:14:27 PM UTC+1, S Viemeister wrote:
On 10/23/2012 1:02 PM, stuart noble wrote:

On 23/10/2012 17:47, polygonum wrote:




Completely agree that they can raise the grain. But, in that sense
luckily for me, most of my painting is re-decorating where the substrate
is already pretty well covered.


IME they only raise the grain on badly prepared timber


I brush a thin coat of shellac on raw wood, before using water-based paint.


That's what I intended to do - unfortunately someone else decided to be 'helpful' and primed it before I had the chance...

Roger Mills[_2_] October 23rd 12 07:32 PM

Water-based Paint
 
On 23/10/2012 17:47, polygonum wrote:


Completely agree that they can raise the grain. But, in that sense
luckily for me, most of my painting is re-decorating where the substrate
is already pretty well covered.


I find that water-based paint is fine on wooden door frames and
skirtings, etc. However, what it's *not* fine on is MDF window cills if
they're ever likely to get wet. When the paint is thoroughly dry it will
still let water through - unlike oil-based paint - and this will bring
the MDF up in a nasty rash.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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Mark[_30_] October 24th 12 02:09 PM

Water-based Paint
 
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:32:23 +0100, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 23/10/2012 17:47, polygonum wrote:


Completely agree that they can raise the grain. But, in that sense
luckily for me, most of my painting is re-decorating where the substrate
is already pretty well covered.


I find that water-based paint is fine on wooden door frames and
skirtings, etc. However, what it's *not* fine on is MDF window cills if
they're ever likely to get wet. When the paint is thoroughly dry it will
still let water through - unlike oil-based paint - and this will bring
the MDF up in a nasty rash.


I wouldn't use MDF for window cills again. They all turned into
weetabix, even using oil-based paint.
--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?


Tim Lamb[_2_] October 24th 12 05:42 PM

Water-based Paint
 
In message , Mark
writes
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:32:23 +0100, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 23/10/2012 17:47, polygonum wrote:


Completely agree that they can raise the grain. But, in that sense
luckily for me, most of my painting is re-decorating where the substrate
is already pretty well covered.


I find that water-based paint is fine on wooden door frames and
skirtings, etc. However, what it's *not* fine on is MDF window cills if
they're ever likely to get wet. When the paint is thoroughly dry it will
still let water through - unlike oil-based paint - and this will bring
the MDF up in a nasty rash.


I wouldn't use MDF for window cills again. They all turned into
weetabix, even using oil-based paint.


OK for the last 17 years here. Oil based paint, double glazed and
radiators under the windows.

Good point about water based porosity though.

--
Tim Lamb

Weatherlawyer October 24th 12 07:14 PM

Water-based Paint
 
On Oct 24, 2:19*pm, Mark
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:32:23 +0100, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 23/10/2012 17:47, polygonum wrote:


Completely agree that they can raise the grain. But, in that sense
luckily for me, most of my painting is re-decorating where the substrate
is already pretty well covered.


I find that water-based paint is fine on wooden door frames and
skirtings, etc. However, what it's *not* fine on is MDF window cills if
they're ever likely to get wet. When the paint is thoroughly dry it will
still let water through - unlike oil-based paint - and this will bring
the MDF up in a nasty rash.


I wouldn't use MDF for window cills again. *They all turned into
Weetabix, even using oil-based paint.


I think you were using chipboard. MDF delaminates; it's more like
sheets of Shreddies.


Mark[_30_] October 29th 12 12:36 PM

Water-based Paint
 
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT), Weatherlawyer
wrote:

On Oct 24, 2:19*pm, Mark
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:32:23 +0100, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 23/10/2012 17:47, polygonum wrote:


Completely agree that they can raise the grain. But, in that sense
luckily for me, most of my painting is re-decorating where the substrate
is already pretty well covered.


I find that water-based paint is fine on wooden door frames and
skirtings, etc. However, what it's *not* fine on is MDF window cills if
they're ever likely to get wet. When the paint is thoroughly dry it will
still let water through - unlike oil-based paint - and this will bring
the MDF up in a nasty rash.


I wouldn't use MDF for window cills again. *They all turned into
Weetabix, even using oil-based paint.


I think you were using chipboard. MDF delaminates; it's more like
sheets of Shreddies.


It was sold as MDF.
--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?



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