I fancied a hot pork sandwich today, ok they're £2 but what the hell, lets
live a little. Hmmm, they're now £2.40 thanks to the guvmint. That's 8 old
shilling, nearly half a quid extra. I'll be damned if I buy another one. In
their wisdom, the guvmint has added vat to things which are kept warm and
sold at a temperature higher than ambient. If they're not kept warm and are
cooling down, no vat (so Greggs are ok with the pasties). Brilliant. Might
be interesting to see what happens with fish'n'chip shops. Presumably
chinese takeaways are ok since its cooked to order and isn't kept warm.
Shirley frozen stuff should have vat also? The shops are keeping it frozen
for us, it isn't warming up.
Pity the govmint have no idea of the real world. Bring on the election,
can't wait to vote for my mate David.

brass monkey wrote:
I fancied a hot pork sandwich today, ok they're £2 but what the hell, lets
live a little. Hmmm, they're now £2.40 thanks to the guvmint. That's 8 old
shilling, nearly half a quid extra. I'll be damned if I buy another one. In
their wisdom, the guvmint has added vat to things which are kept warm and
sold at a temperature higher than ambient. If they're not kept warm and are
cooling down, no vat (so Greggs are ok with the pasties). Brilliant. Might
be interesting to see what happens with fish'n'chip shops. Presumably
chinese takeaways are ok since its cooked to order and isn't kept warm.
Shirley frozen stuff should have vat also? The shops are keeping it frozen
for us, it isn't warming up.
Pity the govmint have no idea of the real world. Bring on the election,
can't wait to vote for my mate David.


Takeaway meals have been subject to VAT for a long time.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 06/10/2012 20:48, John Williamson wrote:
can't wait to vote for my mate David

Yip, me too.

brass monkey wrote:
be interesting to see what happens with fish'n'chip shops.

FishnChips have been VAT'd since 198-blob.

JGH

ss wrote:
On 06/10/2012 20:48, John Williamson wrote:
can't wait to vote for my mate David

Yip, me too.

Not what I wrote. Idiot.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

There comes a time when one really needs to put all laws into somekind of
computer and get them to rationalise them so we have fewer more
understandable ones. Of course there is no incentive to do this as the more
complicated stuff is the more stealth taxing can be broought in.
The low vat on domestic fuel, could one if you lived in a motor home get
all your fuel cheaper, no, of course not.
Airlines moan about the overheads yet they still fiddle on fuel tax and buy
it in countries where the tax is lower as well.

The trick with governments is to tax highly whilst not annoying the public
enough to stop being sheep.
Brian

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"brass monkey" wrote in message
eb.com...
I fancied a hot pork sandwich today, ok they're £2 but what the hell, lets
live a little. Hmmm, they're now £2.40 thanks to the guvmint. That's 8 old
shilling, nearly half a quid extra. I'll be damned if I buy another one. In
their wisdom, the guvmint has added vat to things which are kept warm and
sold at a temperature higher than ambient. If they're not kept warm and are
cooling down, no vat (so Greggs are ok with the pasties). Brilliant. Might
be interesting to see what happens with fish'n'chip shops. Presumably
chinese takeaways are ok since its cooked to order and isn't kept warm.
Shirley frozen stuff should have vat also? The shops are keeping it frozen
for us, it isn't warming up.
Pity the govmint have no idea of the real world. Bring on the election,
can't wait to vote for my mate David.

On Oct 6, 8:48*pm, John Williamson
wrote:
brass monkey wrote:
I fancied a hot pork sandwich today, ok they're £2 but what the hell, lets
live a little. Hmmm, they're now £2.40 thanks to the guvmint. That's 8 old
shilling, nearly half a quid extra. I'll be damned if I buy another one.. In
their wisdom, the guvmint has added vat to things which are kept warm and
sold at a temperature higher than ambient. If they're not kept warm and are
cooling down, no vat (so Greggs are ok with the pasties). Brilliant. Might
be interesting to see what happens with fish'n'chip shops. Presumably
chinese takeaways are ok since its cooked to order and isn't kept warm.
Shirley frozen stuff should have vat also? The shops are keeping it frozen
for us, it isn't warming up.
Pity the govmint have no idea of the real world. Bring on the election,
can't wait to vote for my mate David.

Takeaway meals have been subject to VAT for a long time.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

They have closed some loopholes recently.
http://www.caterersearch.com/Article...ges-on-hot.htm

Seems fair enough really. As said take-away food (luxury item) has been subject to VAT for a while, whereas other food (an essential) has not. If your hot curry, chips or special fried rice are subject, little unfair that the take-away hot pasty is not?!

In article om,
"brass monkey" writes:
I fancied a hot pork sandwich today, ok they're £2 but what the hell, lets
live a little. Hmmm, they're now £2.40 thanks to the guvmint. That's 8 old
shilling, nearly half a quid extra. I'll be damned if I buy another one. In
their wisdom, the guvmint has added vat to things which are kept warm and
sold at a temperature higher than ambient. If they're not kept warm and are
cooling down, no vat (so Greggs are ok with the pasties). Brilliant. Might
be interesting to see what happens with fish'n'chip shops. Presumably
chinese takeaways are ok since its cooked to order and isn't kept warm.
Shirley frozen stuff should have vat also? The shops are keeping it frozen
for us, it isn't warming up.
Pity the govmint have no idea of the real world. Bring on the election,
can't wait to vote for my mate David.

Trouble is that VAT rules for food, whilst they started with some
reasonable intentions but mediocre implementation, have just got
more and more illogical over time, both due to incompetent fiddling
with what's zero rated and what isn't, and failing to take into
account significant changes in food product available since VAT
was introduced.

--
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On 06/10/2012 20:40 brass monkey wrote:

Might
be interesting to see what happens with fish'n'chip shops.

Nothing?

The latest changes are supposed to be catching everything else up to the
fish and chip rules.

--
F

jagillham wrote:
John Williamson;2939798 Wrote:
ss wrote:-
On 06/10/2012 20:48, John Williamson wrote:-
can't wait to vote for my mate David-

Yip, me too.-

Not what I wrote. Idiot.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Seems fair enough really. As said take-away food (luxury item) has been
subject to VAT for a while, whereas other food (an essential) has not.
If your hot curry, chips or special fried rice are subject, little
unfair that the take-away hot pasty is not?!




To get the attributions straight, In the post ss replied to, I was
pointing out that takeaway hot meals had been subject to VAT for quite
some time. I did not mention my voting intentions, that was in the post
I was replying to.

The problem with the new VAT rules is that if Greggs (Other bakers are
available) sell me a pasty that just happens to have come straight out
of the oven and is hot, it is a VAT zero rated item, whereas if they let
it cool down and then put it in a microwave to warm it up, or put in a
hot cupboard to keep it hot for a while, they have to charge 20% VAT on
the exact same product, namely a hot pasty. If they let it cool down to
room temperature and sell it at that temperature, then there is likewise
a zero rate of VAT on it.

If they sell the pasty to the shop next door, as I understand it, the
sale is subject to 20% VAT (Business to business sale). If the other
shop sell it cold, it is now VAT zero rated, so the shop has to recover
the VAT paid from the taxman. On the other hand, if the other shop has a
microwave on the premises for heating pasties, and either the staff or
the customer use it, the pasty then becomes subject to 20% VAT again.

An insane set of rules...

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
jagillham wrote:
John Williamson;2939798 Wrote:
ss wrote:-
On 06/10/2012 20:48, John Williamson wrote:-
can't wait to vote for my mate David-

Yip, me too.-

Not what I wrote. Idiot.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Seems fair enough really. As said take-away food (luxury item) has been
subject to VAT for a while, whereas other food (an essential) has not.
If your hot curry, chips or special fried rice are subject, little
unfair that the take-away hot pasty is not?!




To get the attributions straight, In the post ss replied to, I was
pointing out that takeaway hot meals had been subject to VAT for quite
some time. I did not mention my voting intentions, that was in the post I
was replying to.

The problem with the new VAT rules is that if Greggs (Other bakers are
available) sell me a pasty that just happens to have come straight out of
the oven and is hot, it is a VAT zero rated item, whereas if they let it
cool down and then put it in a microwave to warm it up, or put in a hot
cupboard to keep it hot for a while, they have to charge 20% VAT on the
exact same product, namely a hot pasty. If they let it cool down to room
temperature and sell it at that temperature, then there is likewise a zero
rate of VAT on it.

If they sell the pasty to the shop next door, as I understand it, the sale
is subject to 20% VAT (Business to business sale). If the other shop sell
it cold, it is now VAT zero rated, so the shop has to recover the VAT paid
from the taxman. On the other hand, if the other shop has a microwave on
the premises for heating pasties, and either the staff or the customer use
it, the pasty then becomes subject to 20% VAT again.

An insane set of rules...

Of course, it's the tories. If you're a boss (or think you're something
you're not) you vote tory, if you're a worker you vote labour, it still
works today.

"brass monkey" wrote in message
eb.com...

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
jagillham wrote:
John Williamson;2939798 Wrote:
ss wrote:-
On 06/10/2012 20:48, John Williamson wrote:-
can't wait to vote for my mate David-

Yip, me too.-

Not what I wrote. Idiot.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Seems fair enough really. As said take-away food (luxury item) has been
subject to VAT for a while, whereas other food (an essential) has not.
If your hot curry, chips or special fried rice are subject, little
unfair that the take-away hot pasty is not?!




To get the attributions straight, In the post ss replied to, I was
pointing out that takeaway hot meals had been subject to VAT for quite
some time. I did not mention my voting intentions, that was in the post I
was replying to.

The problem with the new VAT rules is that if Greggs (Other bakers are
available) sell me a pasty that just happens to have come straight out of
the oven and is hot, it is a VAT zero rated item, whereas if they let it
cool down and then put it in a microwave to warm it up, or put in a hot
cupboard to keep it hot for a while, they have to charge 20% VAT on the
exact same product, namely a hot pasty. If they let it cool down to room
temperature and sell it at that temperature, then there is likewise a
zero rate of VAT on it.

If they sell the pasty to the shop next door, as I understand it, the
sale is subject to 20% VAT (Business to business sale). If the other shop
sell it cold, it is now VAT zero rated, so the shop has to recover the
VAT paid from the taxman. On the other hand, if the other shop has a
microwave on the premises for heating pasties, and either the staff or
the customer use it, the pasty then becomes subject to 20% VAT again.

An insane set of rules...

Of course, it's the tories. If you're a boss (or think you're something
you're not) you vote tory, if you're a worker you vote labour, it still
works today.

When you've taken the wife around the local council estates to collect
Provident Cheque repayments and are met with the wife of the household (with
a couple of snotty nosed kids [hubby is in the boozer]) saying "come back
next week we have no money", you think they'll vote tory?

brass monkey wrote:

Of course, it's the tories. If you're a boss (or think you're something
you're not) you vote tory, if you're a worker you vote labour, it still
works today.


If you are a worker you voter Tory or UKIP,. if you are a shirker you
vote Labour,

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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

brass monkey wrote:

When you've taken the wife around the local council estates to collect
Provident Cheque repayments and are met with the wife of the household (with
a couple of snotty nosed kids [hubby is in the boozer]) saying "come back
next week we have no money", you think they'll vote tory?


Q.E.D.

Socialism means never having to take responsibility for your actions.

--
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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
brass monkey wrote:

Of course, it's the tories. If you're a boss (or think you're
something you're not) you vote tory, if you're a worker you vote
labour, it still works today.


If you are a worker you voter Tory or UKIP,. if you are a shirker you
vote Labour,

email me and I'll tell you how I voted.

--
Adam

In message om, brass
monkey writes

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
jagillham wrote:
John Williamson;2939798 Wrote:
ss wrote:-
On 06/10/2012 20:48, John Williamson wrote:-
can't wait to vote for my mate David-

Yip, me too.-

Not what I wrote. Idiot.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Seems fair enough really. As said take-away food (luxury item) has been
subject to VAT for a while, whereas other food (an essential) has not.
If your hot curry, chips or special fried rice are subject, little
unfair that the take-away hot pasty is not?!




To get the attributions straight, In the post ss replied to, I was
pointing out that takeaway hot meals had been subject to VAT for quite
some time. I did not mention my voting intentions, that was in the post I
was replying to.

The problem with the new VAT rules is that if Greggs (Other bakers are
available) sell me a pasty that just happens to have come straight out of
the oven and is hot, it is a VAT zero rated item, whereas if they let it
cool down and then put it in a microwave to warm it up, or put in a hot
cupboard to keep it hot for a while, they have to charge 20% VAT on the
exact same product, namely a hot pasty. If they let it cool down to room
temperature and sell it at that temperature, then there is likewise a zero
rate of VAT on it.

If they sell the pasty to the shop next door, as I understand it, the sale
is subject to 20% VAT (Business to business sale). If the other shop sell
it cold, it is now VAT zero rated, so the shop has to recover the VAT paid
from the taxman. On the other hand, if the other shop has a microwave on
the premises for heating pasties, and either the staff or the customer use
it, the pasty then becomes subject to 20% VAT again.

An insane set of rules...

Of course, it's the tories. If you're a boss (or think you're something
you're not) you vote tory, if you're a worker you vote labour, it still
works today.


No, if you don't work you vote Labour.
--
hugh

In message , ARW
writes
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
brass monkey wrote:

Of course, it's the tories. If you're a boss (or think you're
something you're not) you vote tory, if you're a worker you vote
labour, it still works today.


If you are a worker you voter Tory or UKIP,. if you are a shirker you
vote Labour,

email me and I'll tell you how I voted.

Same as me - by putting a cross on your ballot paper in the place of
your choice.
--
hugh

hugh wrote:
In message , ARW
writes
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
brass monkey wrote:

Of course, it's the tories. If you're a boss (or think you're
something you're not) you vote tory, if you're a worker you vote
labour, it still works today.


If you are a worker you voter Tory or UKIP,. if you are a shirker
you vote Labour,

email me and I'll tell you how I voted.

Same as me - by putting a cross on your ballot paper in the place of
your choice.

email me and I will tell you how I voted.

--
Adam

adam wrote:
Same as me - by putting a cross on your ballot paper in the place of
your choice.
email me and I will tell you how I voted.

I vote for a person. When I was deselected I couldn't bring
myself to vote for my party's choice of my replacement, based
on comparing known histories of him and the other candidates.
I voted for somebody else who from knowning their work in the
community over the previous years I felt would be a better
replacement for me than him.

Didn't work, he got elected anyway, then a few of weeks
later promptly defected over to the other party anyway.

JGH

wrote in message
...
adam wrote:
Same as me - by putting a cross on your ballot paper in the place of
your choice.
email me and I will tell you how I voted.

I vote for a person.

OK, so you think "s/he's a decent person, s/he gets my vote for wanting
protection for ducks in my local park?" ******** to the party line?

When I was deselected I couldn't bring
myself to vote for my party's choice of my replacement, based
on comparing known histories of him and the other candidates.
I voted for somebody else who from knowning their work in the
community over the previous years I felt would be a better
replacement for me than him.

Didn't work, he got elected anyway, then a few of weeks
later promptly defected over to the other party anyway.

Over to Labour?

"brass monkey" wrote in message
eb.com...

wrote in message
...
adam wrote:
Same as me - by putting a cross on your ballot paper in the place of
your choice.
email me and I will tell you how I voted.

I vote for a person.

OK, so you think "s/he's a decent person, s/he gets my vote for wanting
protection for ducks in my local park?" ******** to the party line?

When I was deselected I couldn't bring
myself to vote for my party's choice of my replacement, based
on comparing known histories of him and the other candidates.
I voted for somebody else who from knowning their work in the
community over the previous years I felt would be a better
replacement for me than him.

Didn't work, he got elected anyway, then a few of weeks
later promptly defected over to the other party anyway.

Over to Labour?

Even if I'm wrong, who but the equally pompous would vote for Kenneth
(pompous, I'm not listening to you) Clarke besides Sainsburys shoppers?
Shirley Sainsbury = (lets pay a bit more) Tory, Asda = (how much? they can
**** off) Labour?

wrote:
adam wrote:
Same as me - by putting a cross on your ballot paper in the place of
your choice.
email me and I will tell you how I voted.

I vote for a person. When I was deselected I couldn't bring
myself to vote for my party's choice of my replacement, based
on comparing known histories of him and the other candidates.
I voted for somebody else who from knowning their work in the
community over the previous years I felt would be a better
replacement for me than him.

Didn't work, he got elected anyway, then a few of weeks
later promptly defected over to the other party anyway.

JGH
I voted to get rid of Gordon Brown.
And hopefully Labour.
The only party to say all the right things and then do all the wrong things.


--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
wrote:
adam wrote:
Same as me - by putting a cross on your ballot paper in the place of
your choice.
email me and I will tell you how I voted.

I vote for a person. When I was deselected I couldn't bring
myself to vote for my party's choice of my replacement, based
on comparing known histories of him and the other candidates.
I voted for somebody else who from knowning their work in the
community over the previous years I felt would be a better
replacement for me than him.

Didn't work, he got elected anyway, then a few of weeks
later promptly defected over to the other party anyway.

JGH
I voted to get rid of Gordon Brown.
And hopefully Labour.
The only party to say all the right things and then do all the wrong
things.

The Tories don't? Gimme a break. They're all as bad as each other. It
matters not who is in power, we're gonna get screwed, guaranteed.

brass monkey wrote:
I vote for a person.
OK, so you think "s/he's a decent person, s/he gets my vote for
wanting protection for ducks in my local park?" ******** to the
party line?

Yes, ******** to the party line. Especially important if who
you vote for can't change the control of the council, like
this year where it was a choice of Labour staying in control
or Labour increasing their majority.

I was in the position - increasingly rare nowadays - of being
able to observe the actions of three of the candidates (one was
a parish councillor, two were active on the community forum, I'd
worked with all three of them myself) and was able to come to a
judgement of who to vote for based on their actions and on my
assessment of how effective they would be as a city councillor.

JGH

On 09/10/2012 01:14, brass monkey wrote:
"The Natural wrote in message
...
wrote:
adam wrote:
Same as me - by putting a cross on your ballot paper in the place of
your choice.
email me and I will tell you how I voted.

I vote for a person. When I was deselected I couldn't bring
myself to vote for my party's choice of my replacement, based
on comparing known histories of him and the other candidates.
I voted for somebody else who from knowning their work in the
community over the previous years I felt would be a better
replacement for me than him.

Didn't work, he got elected anyway, then a few of weeks
later promptly defected over to the other party anyway.

JGH
I voted to get rid of Gordon Brown.
And hopefully Labour.
The only party to say all the right things and then do all the wrong
things.

The Tories don't? Gimme a break. They're all as bad as each other. It
matters not who is in power, we're gonna get screwed, guaranteed.


Isn't the point that, in his view, the Tories don't even manage to say
all the right things?

--
Rod

In message , polygonum
writes
On 09/10/2012 01:14, brass monkey wrote:
"The Natural wrote in message
...
wrote:
adam wrote:
Same as me - by putting a cross on your ballot paper in the place of
your choice.
email me and I will tell you how I voted.

I vote for a person. When I was deselected I couldn't bring
myself to vote for my party's choice of my replacement, based
on comparing known histories of him and the other candidates.
I voted for somebody else who from knowning their work in the
community over the previous years I felt would be a better
replacement for me than him.

Didn't work, he got elected anyway, then a few of weeks
later promptly defected over to the other party anyway.

JGH
I voted to get rid of Gordon Brown.
And hopefully Labour.
The only party to say all the right things and then do all the wrong
things.

The Tories don't? Gimme a break. They're all as bad as each other. It
matters not who is in power, we're gonna get screwed, guaranteed.


Isn't the point that, in his view, the Tories don't even manage to say
all the right things?

Well at least we've had an opportunity to se a coalition in action

we come up with a crap idea on House of Lords reform, but which
guarantees our ongoing influence, which rightly gets rejected, so we
will stop an independent boundary commission review from being
implemented, not on any principle or that it is wrong, just tit for tat.
You said you wouldn't enter into a coalition with us if Gordon Brown
remained our leader, so now we say we won't enter into coalition with
you if Nick Clegg remains as your leader. Tit for tat.
Well in that case we won't talk to you if Ed Balls is Chancellor.

Trouble is I'm not sure now which is the tit and which the tat.
I just hope one party gets a clear majority, and if it's not mine then
let it be the other one.
--
hugh

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 8:40:29 PM UTC+1, brass monkey wrote:
I fancied a hot pork sandwich today, ok they're £2 but what the hell, lets

live a little. Hmmm, they're now £2.40 thanks to the guvmint. That's 8 old

shilling, nearly half a quid extra. I'll be damned if I buy another one. In

their wisdom, the guvmint has added vat to things which are kept warm and

sold at a temperature higher than ambient. If they're not kept warm and are

cooling down, no vat (so Greggs are ok with the pasties). Brilliant. Might

be interesting to see what happens with fish'n'chip shops. Presumably

chinese takeaways are ok since its cooked to order and isn't kept warm.

Shirley frozen stuff should have vat also? The shops are keeping it frozen

for us, it isn't warming up.

Pity the govmint have no idea of the real world. Bring on the election,

can't wait to vote for my mate David.

My local butchers used to have a counter selling cooked chickens and other hot stuff. Went in there
the other day and it was gone, replaced by a 'deli' counter, selling imported cooked meats, olives and
stuff like that.
Apparently they concluded that nobody would pay the extra 20%, so decided to try selling over-priced
imported stuff instead. Oh, and they had to lose one member of staff in the process.

A bit allegorical really: Nothing they had done over the past couple of years has been thought through,
so nothing has achieved anything useful ...apart from pleasing the Daily Mail, of course.

GMM wrote:

My local butchers used to have a counter selling cooked chickens and
other hot stuff. Went in there the other day and it was gone, replaced by
a 'deli' counter, selling imported cooked meats, olives and stuff like
that. Apparently they concluded that nobody would pay the extra 20%, so
decided to try selling over-priced
imported stuff instead. Oh, and they had to lose one member of staff in
the process.

A bit allegorical really: Nothing they had done over the past couple of
years has been thought through, so nothing has achieved anything useful
...apart from pleasing the Daily Mail, of course.

VAT really has become a complete disgrace - 8.5% and 12.5% were acceptible.

1/5 extra is not. Especially when you know they are just going to waste half
of it.


--
Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/

"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it."

In article , Tim Watts
wrote:
GMM wrote:

My local butchers used to have a counter selling cooked chickens and
other hot stuff. Went in there the other day and it was gone, replaced
by a 'deli' counter, selling imported cooked meats, olives and stuff
like that. Apparently they concluded that nobody would pay the extra
20%, so decided to try selling over-priced imported stuff instead. Oh,
and they had to lose one member of staff in the process.

A bit allegorical really: Nothing they had done over the past couple
of years has been thought through, so nothing has achieved anything
useful ...apart from pleasing the Daily Mail, of course.

VAT really has become a complete disgrace - 8.5% and 12.5% were
acceptible.

1/5 extra is not. Especially when you know they are just going to waste
half of it.

but it's about the Euro norm.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On Oct 9, 9:58*pm, hugh ] wrote:
In message , polygonum
writes







On 09/10/2012 01:14, brass monkey wrote:
"The Natural *wrote in message
...
wrote:
adam wrote:
Same as me - by putting a cross on your ballot paper *in the place of
your choice.
email me and I will tell you how I voted.

I vote for a person. When I was deselected I couldn't bring
myself to vote for my party's choice of my replacement, based
on comparing known histories of him and the other candidates.
I voted for somebody else who from knowning their work in the
community over the previous years I felt would be a better
replacement for me than him.

Didn't work, he got elected anyway, then a few of weeks
later promptly defected over to the other party anyway.

JGH
I voted to get rid of Gordon Brown.
And hopefully Labour.
The only party to say all the right things and then do all the wrong
things.

The Tories don't? Gimme a break. They're all as bad as each other. It
matters not who is in power, we're gonna get screwed, guaranteed.

Isn't the point that, in his view, the Tories don't even manage to say
all the right things?

Well at least we've had an opportunity to se a coalition in action

we come up with a crap idea on House of Lords reform, but which
guarantees our ongoing influence, which rightly gets rejected, so we
will stop an independent boundary commission review from being
implemented, not on any principle or that it is wrong, just tit for tat.
You said you wouldn't enter into a coalition with us if Gordon Brown
remained our leader, so now we say we won't enter into coalition with
you if Nick Clegg remains as your leader. Tit for tat.
Well in that case we won't talk to you if Ed Balls is Chancellor.

Trouble is I'm not sure now which is the tit and which the tat.
I just hope one party gets a clear majority, and if *it's not mine then
let it be the other one.
--
hugh

God save us from socialists.
The party that borrowed money to pay the idle so they would vote for
them.

On Oct 9, 11:52*pm, charles wrote:
In article , Tim Watts









wrote:
GMM wrote:
My local butchers used to have a *counter selling cooked chickens and
other hot stuff. *Went in there the other day and it was gone, replaced
by a 'deli' counter, selling imported cooked meats, olives and stuff
like that. Apparently they concluded that nobody would pay the extra
20%, so decided to try selling over-priced imported stuff instead. *Oh,
and they had to lose one member of staff in the process.

A bit allegorical really: *Nothing they had done over the past couple
of years has been thought through, so nothing has achieved anything
useful ...apart from pleasing the Daily Mail, of course.
VAT really has become a complete disgrace - 8.5% and 12.5% were
acceptible.
1/5 extra is not. Especially when you know they are just going to waste
half of it.

but it's about the Euro norm.

Talking about that sort of thing
http://www.th-eu-nit.com/index.php/a...g-old-jam-jars

What a load of ********.

On 09/10/12 22:59, Tim Watts wrote:
GMM wrote:

My local butchers used to have a counter selling cooked chickens and
other hot stuff. Went in there the other day and it was gone, replaced by
a 'deli' counter, selling imported cooked meats, olives and stuff like
that. Apparently they concluded that nobody would pay the extra 20%, so
decided to try selling over-priced
imported stuff instead. Oh, and they had to lose one member of staff in
the process.

A bit allegorical really: Nothing they had done over the past couple of
years has been thought through, so nothing has achieved anything useful
...apart from pleasing the Daily Mail, of course.

VAT really has become a complete disgrace - 8.5% and 12.5% were acceptible.

1/5 extra is not. Especially when you know they are just going to waste half
of it.

And the other half they keep for expenses...


--
djc

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
GMM wrote:

My local butchers used to have a counter selling cooked chickens and
other hot stuff. Went in there the other day and it was gone, replaced
by
a 'deli' counter, selling imported cooked meats, olives and stuff like
that. Apparently they concluded that nobody would pay the extra 20%, so
decided to try selling over-priced
imported stuff instead. Oh, and they had to lose one member of staff in
the process.

A bit allegorical really: Nothing they had done over the past couple of
years has been thought through, so nothing has achieved anything useful
...apart from pleasing the Daily Mail, of course.

VAT really has become a complete disgrace - 8.5% and 12.5% were
acceptible.

1/5 extra is not. Especially when you know they are just going to waste
half
of it.

define "waste"

(and no, spending it on something that you personally disagree with, is not
waste)

tim

"tim....." wrote in message
...

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
GMM wrote:

My local butchers used to have a counter selling cooked chickens and
other hot stuff. Went in there the other day and it was gone, replaced
by
a 'deli' counter, selling imported cooked meats, olives and stuff like
that. Apparently they concluded that nobody would pay the extra 20%, so
decided to try selling over-priced
imported stuff instead. Oh, and they had to lose one member of staff in
the process.

A bit allegorical really: Nothing they had done over the past couple of
years has been thought through, so nothing has achieved anything useful
...apart from pleasing the Daily Mail, of course.

VAT really has become a complete disgrace - 8.5% and 12.5% were
acceptible.

1/5 extra is not. Especially when you know they are just going to waste
half
of it.

define "waste"

Buying duck houses for one.

(and no, spending it on something that you personally disagree with, is
not waste)

tim

tim..... wrote:


"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
GMM wrote:

My local butchers used to have a counter selling cooked chickens and
other hot stuff. Went in there the other day and it was gone, replaced
by
a 'deli' counter, selling imported cooked meats, olives and stuff like
that. Apparently they concluded that nobody would pay the extra 20%, so
decided to try selling over-priced
imported stuff instead. Oh, and they had to lose one member of staff in
the process.

A bit allegorical really: Nothing they had done over the past couple of
years has been thought through, so nothing has achieved anything useful
...apart from pleasing the Daily Mail, of course.

VAT really has become a complete disgrace - 8.5% and 12.5% were
acceptible.

1/5 extra is not. Especially when you know they are just going to waste
half
of it.

define "waste"

Operation Herrick (Afghanistan)
2nd Iraq War.



--
Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/

"She got her looks from her father. He's a plastic surgeon."

In message
,
harry writes
On Oct 9, 9:58*pm, hugh ] wrote:
In message , polygonum
writes







On 09/10/2012 01:14, brass monkey wrote:
"The Natural *wrote in message
...
wrote:
adam wrote:
Same as me - by putting a cross on your ballot paper *in the place of
your choice.
email me and I will tell you how I voted.

I vote for a person. When I was deselected I couldn't bring
myself to vote for my party's choice of my replacement, based
on comparing known histories of him and the other candidates.
I voted for somebody else who from knowning their work in the
community over the previous years I felt would be a better
replacement for me than him.

Didn't work, he got elected anyway, then a few of weeks
later promptly defected over to the other party anyway.

JGH
I voted to get rid of Gordon Brown.
And hopefully Labour.
The only party to say all the right things and then do all the wrong
things.

The Tories don't? Gimme a break. They're all as bad as each other. It
matters not who is in power, we're gonna get screwed, guaranteed.

Isn't the point that, in his view, the Tories don't even manage to say
all the right things?

Well at least we've had an opportunity to se a coalition in action

we come up with a crap idea on House of Lords reform, but which
guarantees our ongoing influence, which rightly gets rejected, so we
will stop an independent boundary commission review from being
implemented, not on any principle or that it is wrong, just tit for tat.
You said you wouldn't enter into a coalition with us if Gordon Brown
remained our leader, so now we say we won't enter into coalition with
you if Nick Clegg remains as your leader. Tit for tat.
Well in that case we won't talk to you if Ed Balls is Chancellor.

Trouble is I'm not sure now which is the tit and which the tat.
I just hope one party gets a clear majority, and if *it's not mine then
let it be the other one.
--
hugh

God save us from socialists.
The party that borrowed money to pay the idle so they would vote for
them.
...And most of the public sector with pay increases disguised as bonuses.
--
hugh

In message
,
harry writes
On Oct 9, 11:52*pm, charles wrote:
In article , Tim Watts









wrote:
GMM wrote:
My local butchers used to have a *counter selling cooked chickens and
other hot stuff. *Went in there the other day and it was gone, replaced
by a 'deli' counter, selling imported cooked meats, olives and stuff
like that. Apparently they concluded that nobody would pay the extra
20%, so decided to try selling over-priced imported stuff instead. *Oh,
and they had to lose one member of staff in the process.

A bit allegorical really: *Nothing they had done over the past couple
of years has been thought through, so nothing has achieved anything
useful ...apart from pleasing the Daily Mail, of course.
VAT really has become a complete disgrace - 8.5% and 12.5% were
acceptible.
1/5 extra is not. Especially when you know they are just going to waste
half of it.

but it's about the Euro norm.

Talking about that sort of thing
http://www.th-eu-nit.com/index.php/a...eads-over-eu-f
ines-threat-for-reusing-old-jam-jars

What a load of ********.
Esp as it seem perfectly legal to serve someone liquid nitrogen which
has never been approved for human consumption. How can that be?
--
hugh

On 10/10/2012 10:10, brass monkey wrote:
"tim....." wrote in message
...

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
GMM wrote:

My local butchers used to have a counter selling cooked chickens and
other hot stuff. Went in there the other day and it was gone, replaced
by
a 'deli' counter, selling imported cooked meats, olives and stuff like
that. Apparently they concluded that nobody would pay the extra 20%, so
decided to try selling over-priced
imported stuff instead. Oh, and they had to lose one member of staff in
the process.

A bit allegorical really: Nothing they had done over the past couple of
years has been thought through, so nothing has achieved anything useful
...apart from pleasing the Daily Mail, of course.

VAT really has become a complete disgrace - 8.5% and 12.5% were
acceptible.

1/5 extra is not. Especially when you know they are just going to waste
half
of it.

define "waste"

Buying duck houses for one.


I don't recall a duck house being bought on expenses.

What is a waste is the cost of new administration overseeing MP's
expenses, which is more than all the fraudulent claims that came to light.

harry wrote:
Talking about that sort of thing
http://www.th-eu-nit.com/index.php/a...g-old-jam-jars

Oh Noes! So I've got to throw away all that jam I made last month?
http://pics.mdfs.net/2012/09/120904.htm

I can't afford to /pay/ for food, that's supposed to to keep me
fed until next year

JGH