Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done by a
professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun, but just
recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable intervals and if
I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its very um awakening. Is
there anything I can do to quieten them?

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Angle grinder.


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done by
a professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun, but just
recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable intervals and
if I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its very um
awakening. Is there anything I can do to quieten them?

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Angle grinder.


Glue them together


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done by
a professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun, but just
recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable intervals and
if I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its very um
awakening. Is there anything I can do to quieten them?

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Angle grinders would keep Brian awake even more than creaking gutters,
I'd suggest. :-)

You need either to stop them sliding one against another - e.g. (as TNP
suggests, glue them) - or allow sliding to occur without creaking. Maybe
disassemble and put some silicone grease on them?

Other possibility is that the temperature difference is greater simply
because they are covered in black muck - which abosrbs heat better. So
simply thoroughly cleaning them might help?

On 02/10/2012 12:07, Mr Pounder wrote:
Angle grinder.


"Brian wrote in message
...
Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done by
a professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun, but just
recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable intervals and
if I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its very um
awakening. Is there anything I can do to quieten them?

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On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 11:49:41 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Is there anything I can do to quieten them?

Pop it out of the clips and put a light smear of silicone grease on the
clip face. Open all the joints and also put on a light smear of silicone
grease on the rubber seal.

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Dave.

Oil them. The clips onto the soffit should allow the thermal expansion
of the gutters . Do not glue them to the gutter as the gutter will
want to expand, it can't if glued, so the gutter will buckle .
Lubricate the clip/gutter interface. The recent increase in volume
could be caused by the sun heating the gutter more (is it black because
it needs cleaning)or due to any previous lubrication becoming worn out
over time. Oil is being a bit flippant perhaps silicone or similar.

C.F. Stiction (violin bowing)

Brian Gaff wrote:
Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done by a
professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun, but just
recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable intervals and if
I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its very um awakening. Is
there anything I can do to quieten them?

Brian

Brian Gaff pretended :
Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done by a
professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun, but just
recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable intervals and if
I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its very um awakening. Is
there anything I can do to quieten them?

Brian

When they were new, they would have slid noiselessly. Now they are a
little older, they are a older they are sticking and suddenly releasing
with a bang. As others have said, they need some form of lubricant to
allow them to slide more easily.

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Glue them together

I think gluing them would make them buckle, rather than slide. I would
start simple, and try dribbling a little 3-in-1 or similar inside the
gutter, at the joints. With a little luck, the oil will find a way into
the joints, and stop the noise.
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On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 12:58:19 +0100, soup wrote:

Oil them. The clips onto the soffit should allow the thermal expansion
of the gutters . Do not glue them to the gutter as the gutter will want
to expand, it can't if glued, so the gutter will buckle .
Lubricate the clip/gutter interface. The recent increase in volume
could be caused by the sun heating the gutter more (is it black because
it needs cleaning)or due to any previous lubrication becoming worn out
over time. Oil is being a bit flippant perhaps silicone or similar.

JOOI, is each section of gutter normally anchored firmly to the roof
bracket along the mid-point of its length? Our gutters are made from 16'
sections, and the total expansion is probably a good inch or so - but
then when it cools and they contract again, they don't necessarily end up
back at their starting point (and so have an occasional tendency to creep
or start leaking at one of the joints).

cheers

Jules

On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 13:41:46 +0100, News wrote:

... try dribbling a little 3-in-1 or similar inside the gutter, at the
joints. With a little luck, the oil will find a way into the joints,
and stop the noise.

For a while until the 3-in-1 causes the seals to expand and/or perish. A
light smear silicone grease is the stuff to use.

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Dave.

On 02/10/2012 15:22, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 13:41:46 +0100, News wrote:

... try dribbling a little 3-in-1 or similar inside the gutter, at the
joints. With a little luck, the oil will find a way into the joints,
and stop the noise.

For a while until the 3-in-1 causes the seals to expand and/or perish. A
light smear silicone grease is the stuff to use.

I paused at that suggestion. Then realised that if the seals are
neoprene, that is supposedly resistant to mineral oil. And PVC is pretty
resistant too. Found this relating to one PVC sheet product:

http://www.perspex.co.uk/documents/t...stance/PVC.pdf

So I ended up being perhaps more questioning over its effectiveness
(will it really get to the right places?) and the possibility of
splattering oil over whatever is underneath the guttering.

--
Rod

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:
Angle grinder.


Glue them together

Tried it with superglue in a desperate effort to stop a drip.
Failed again.
I'm a ******.


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done
by a professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun, but
just recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable
intervals and if I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its
very um awakening. Is there anything I can do to quieten them?

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Yes, I was expecting ear plugs first, but this the second. I did think that
maybe a good clean and some kind of wax polish, but how ould one get it
under the brackets or in the joins, if indeed this is where the noise is
coming from. It has to be movement and I suspect its because plastic is so
lightweight against the old cast iron used before..
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"Mr Pounder" wrote in message
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Angle grinder.


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done
by a professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun, but
just recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable
intervals and if I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its
very um awakening. Is there anything I can do to quieten them?

Brian

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Oh yes, I can just see this going on, I actually think its coming from the
brackets..
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Mr Pounder wrote:
Angle grinder.


Glue them together


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done
by a professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun, but
just recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable
intervals and if I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its
very um awakening. Is there anything I can do to quieten them?

Brian

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diminishing number of producers.

The joints seem to have some kind of sealant in them, well the bit left over
seems to hav it but who knows. I'll try it though. I'll need to bridbe a
friend as I cannot see well enough to get to the joins these days, besides,
I think a blind bloke trying to put up a ladder could well be a health and
safety issue.. grin.
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In message , The Natural Philosopher
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Glue them together

I think gluing them would make them buckle, rather than slide. I would
start simple, and try dribbling a little 3-in-1 or similar inside the
gutter, at the joints. With a little luck, the oil will find a way into
the joints, and stop the noise.
--
Graeme

Someone I know suggested that oil one used to find inside photocopiers,
called fuser oil worked for him. No idea what its made of though.

Brian

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"polygonum" wrote in message
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On 02/10/2012 15:22, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 13:41:46 +0100, News wrote:

... try dribbling a little 3-in-1 or similar inside the gutter, at the
joints. With a little luck, the oil will find a way into the joints,
and stop the noise.

For a while until the 3-in-1 causes the seals to expand and/or perish. A
light smear silicone grease is the stuff to use.

I paused at that suggestion. Then realised that if the seals are neoprene,
that is supposedly resistant to mineral oil. And PVC is pretty resistant
too. Found this relating to one PVC sheet product:

http://www.perspex.co.uk/documents/t...stance/PVC.pdf

So I ended up being perhaps more questioning over its effectiveness (will
it really get to the right places?) and the possibility of splattering oil
over whatever is underneath the guttering.

--
Rod

Hmm, I can see a heap of broken plastic clips if I'm not careful here. Kind
of reminds me of the time I decided to take the curtain track off to clean
it and all the plastic brackets fell to bits...

Brian

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On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 11:49:41 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Is there anything I can do to quieten them?

Pop it out of the clips and put a light smear of silicone grease on the
clip face. Open all the joints and also put on a light smear of silicone
grease on the rubber seal.

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Cheers
Dave.

So its a bit like the mechanism of an Earthquake then eh?

Brian

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"soup" wrote in message
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Oil them. The clips onto the soffit should allow the thermal expansion
of the gutters . Do not glue them to the gutter as the gutter will
want to expand, it can't if glued, so the gutter will buckle .
Lubricate the clip/gutter interface. The recent increase in volume
could be caused by the sun heating the gutter more (is it black because
it needs cleaning)or due to any previous lubrication becoming worn out
over time. Oil is being a bit flippant perhaps silicone or similar.

C.F. Stiction (violin bowing)

Brian Gaff wrote:
Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done
by a
professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun, but just
recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable intervals and
if
I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its very um awakening.
Is
there anything I can do to quieten them?

Brian

I think I can trace this back to when I had the gutters cleaned in the
Spring. Could be that the whole thing has started to move differently after
the weight of crap was taken out.
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"Jules Richardson" wrote in message
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On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 12:58:19 +0100, soup wrote:

Oil them. The clips onto the soffit should allow the thermal expansion
of the gutters . Do not glue them to the gutter as the gutter will want
to expand, it can't if glued, so the gutter will buckle .
Lubricate the clip/gutter interface. The recent increase in volume
could be caused by the sun heating the gutter more (is it black because
it needs cleaning)or due to any previous lubrication becoming worn out
over time. Oil is being a bit flippant perhaps silicone or similar.

JOOI, is each section of gutter normally anchored firmly to the roof
bracket along the mid-point of its length? Our gutters are made from 16'
sections, and the total expansion is probably a good inch or so - but
then when it cools and they contract again, they don't necessarily end up
back at their starting point (and so have an occasional tendency to creep
or start leaking at one of the joints).

cheers

Jules

Brian Gaff wrote:
Oh yes, I can just see this going on, I actually think its coming from the
brackets..
Brian

Yes it will be the brackets, silicone spray might last for a while?

Bob

Yup, in one.

Brian Gaff wrote:
So its a bit like the mechanism of an Earthquake then eh?

In message , polygonum
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Angle grinders would keep Brian awake even more than creaking gutters,
I'd suggest. :-)

You need either to stop them sliding one against another - e.g. (as TNP
suggests, glue them) - or allow sliding to occur without creaking.
Maybe disassemble and put some silicone grease on them?

Other possibility is that the temperature difference is greater simply
because they are covered in black muck - which abosrbs heat better. So
simply thoroughly cleaning them might help?

The gutters supplied here by a jobbing builder have white interiors.
Still didn't stop the Sun ratcheting the joints apart.

On short runs where ratcheting leaks are common, I use a stainless screw
to fix one gutter end to the joiner.

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Take care Brian.
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Oh yes, I can just see this going on, I actually think its coming from the
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Mr Pounder wrote:
Angle grinder.


Glue them together


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done
by a professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun,
but just recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable
intervals and if I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its
very um awakening. Is there anything I can do to quieten them?

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On 02/10/2012 16:21, Brian Gaff wrote:
The joints seem to have some kind of sealant in them, well the bit left over
seems to hav it but who knows. I'll try it though. I'll need to bridbe a
friend as I cannot see well enough to get to the joins these days, besides,
I think a blind bloke trying to put up a ladder could well be a health and
safety issue.. grin.
Brian

You could probably make £250 on you've been framed though!

SteveW

On Oct 2, 11:49*am, "Brian Gaff" wrote:
Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done by a
professional. OK they tend to *crackle a little bit in the sun, but just
recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable intervals and if
I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its very um awakening. Is
there anything I can do to *quieten them?

Wait for winter if the sun is a big problem for you. Personally I
think you are hearing things. The idea it is louder than before is
probably your memories of sunny weather playing tricks on you.

Try some spray on furniture polish if you must do something.

On 02/10/2012 16:28, Brian Gaff wrote:
I think I can trace this back to when I had the gutters cleaned in the
Spring. Could be that the whole thing has started to move differently after
the weight of crap was taken out.

The crap may have been retaining water and adding some thermal mass -
hence they did not get so hot in the past.


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On Tue, 2 Oct 2012, "Brian Gaff" writ:

Someone I know suggested that oil one used to find inside photocopiers,
called fuser oil worked for him. No idea what its made of though.

Brian


Silicone.
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On Oct 3, 2:43*am, John Rumm wrote:
On 02/10/2012 16:28, Brian Gaff wrote:

I think I can trace this back to when I had the gutters cleaned in the
Spring. Could be that the whole thing has started to move differently after
the weight of crap was taken out.

The crap may have been retaining water and adding some thermal mass -
hence they did not get so hot in the past.

If they had a lining of wet stodge, they wouldn't have had any
expansion. Not till they froze.

On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 11:49:41 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Now my plastic gutters have been up for some years, and I had them done by a
professional. OK they tend to crackle a little bit in the sun, but just
recently the crackling is more like loud cracks at variable intervals and if
I'm attempting to catch up on sleep during the day its very um awakening. Is
there anything I can do to quieten them?

Brian

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