In article , alan
wrote:
On 27/09/2012 10:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'll add a rant about Barclays online banking. I don't need to pay
things very often via that - perhaps no more than about half a dozen
times a year - and usually to someone I've paid before.

But a couple of months ago wanted to pay someone else as it were. And
it informed me I needed a card reader. Great - but why didn't it send
me one before introducing this? Or inform me it would be needed? Got
one - and what a performance to pay a bill.


With RBS and the Co-op I only have to use the card reader for new
payments. Once set up the card reader is not required for subsequent
payments to the same recipient.

with Bank of Scotland, when I set up a new payment the bank then rings me
and asks me to key into the phone the numbers I see on the screen.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:41:42 +0100, alan
wrote:

On 27/09/2012 15:02, John Williamson wrote:

In my case, none of these are written down anywhere,
except the username and card details.

At work my list of username/passwords fits on two A4 sheets
of paper.

At home the lists fits on to 5 A4 sheets of paper. While I will admit to
some similarity in user/passwords I cannot remember if I've put $$123 or
$$456 or $$abc at the end or beginning of each of the passwords.

And then there are the systems that will only accept passwords that
include a random set of "characters" that need to be changed on a
regular basis. Does any organisation think these types of passwords are
more secure when they will be written down by EVERYONE that has to use
them.

I would assume that any password that's simple enough to remember
would also be easy to guess.

What annoys me is when organisations restrict the characters you can
use in the password, like not allowing punctuation characters.
--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?

On 28/09/2012 08:55, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:00:27 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

--snip--

And online banking that you can't use at all without javascript and with
javascript is slow clunky eye candy heap of poo. Also quite close to
ditching them.

The Santander web site mostly works without javascript except for
logging out! I did inform them about this but they are willfully
ignorant and won't change it.


I have no complaints about Santander online banking, and the current
current account with cashback and interest is a big improvement over
last year's over complicated version.
I just copy and paste into my own spreadsheet, which translates the
bank's transaction info into English.
I have tried disabling that remembered password thing for specific sites
in Firefox but every now and then I see the password pop up when I'm
typing. I probably haven't tried hard enough :-)

In article ,
alan wrote:
On 27/09/2012 10:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'll add a rant about Barclays online banking. I don't need to pay
things very often via that - perhaps no more than about half a dozen
times a year - and usually to someone I've paid before.

But a couple of months ago wanted to pay someone else as it were. And
it informed me I needed a card reader. Great - but why didn't it send
me one before introducing this? Or inform me it would be needed? Got
one - and what a performance to pay a bill.


With RBS and the Co-op I only have to use the card reader for new
payments. Once set up the card reader is not required for subsequent
payments to the same recipient.

Same with Barclays, as I said.

--
*A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message , charles
writes
In article , alan
wrote:
On 27/09/2012 10:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'll add a rant about Barclays online banking. I don't need to pay
things very often via that - perhaps no more than about half a dozen
times a year - and usually to someone I've paid before.

But a couple of months ago wanted to pay someone else as it were. And
it informed me I needed a card reader. Great - but why didn't it send
me one before introducing this? Or inform me it would be needed? Got
one - and what a performance to pay a bill.


With RBS and the Co-op I only have to use the card reader for new
payments. Once set up the card reader is not required for subsequent
payments to the same recipient.

with Bank of Scotland, when I set up a new payment the bank then rings me
and asks me to key into the phone the numbers I see on the screen.

Halifax does this for various online transactions, but, unfortunately,
it doesn't seem to 'hear' the numbers I key in. Fortunately, it also has
a voice recognition system as backup, and speaking the numbers does work
OK.
--
Ian

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:29:19 +0100
Frank Erskine wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:47:43 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On 27 Sep 2012 21:28:15 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

I still have my Trustee Savings Bank pass book. Apparently I
still have £1 6s 0d in it - last entry late 1966.

No who took over the Trustee Savings Bank? Lloyds? They still ought
to pay you the £1.30 plus interest...

But I only get a measly 7 years 'all my data'!

That doesn't really surprise me, you only *have* to keep records for
that long.

Somewhere I think I still have a Post Office Savings Bank account with
something like 1/6d deposited.
There must be a bit of interest accumulated since then, especially
during the 80s...


I dug my old book out last year, and sent it off for a refund. It had
interest added, and I was reimbursed.
--
Davey.

On Sep 28, 9:32*am, Mark
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:41:42 +0100, alan
wrote:









On 27/09/2012 15:02, John Williamson wrote:

In my case, none of these are written down anywhere,
except the username and card details.

At work my list of username/passwords fits on two A4 sheets
of paper.

At home the lists fits on to 5 A4 sheets of paper. While I will admit to
some similarity in user/passwords I cannot remember if I've put $$123 or
$$456 or $$abc at the end or beginning of each of the passwords.

And then there are the systems that will only accept passwords that
include a random set of "characters" that need to be changed on a
regular basis. Does any organisation think these types of passwords are
more secure when they will be written down by EVERYONE that has to use
them.

I would assume that any password that's simple enough to remember
would also be easy to guess.

You assume wrong. I defy you to guess my pasword. "Simple to remember"
means many different things to different people.

MBQ

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 03:19:34 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q"
wrote:

On Sep 28, 9:32*am, Mark
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:41:42 +0100, alan
wrote:
On 27/09/2012 15:02, John Williamson wrote:

In my case, none of these are written down anywhere,
except the username and card details.

At work my list of username/passwords fits on two A4 sheets
of paper.

At home the lists fits on to 5 A4 sheets of paper. While I will admit to
some similarity in user/passwords I cannot remember if I've put $$123 or
$$456 or $$abc at the end or beginning of each of the passwords.

And then there are the systems that will only accept passwords that
include a random set of "characters" that need to be changed on a
regular basis. Does any organisation think these types of passwords are
more secure when they will be written down by EVERYONE that has to use
them.

I would assume that any password that's simple enough to remember
would also be easy to guess.

You assume wrong. I defy you to guess my pasword. "Simple to remember"
means many different things to different people.

You may have a good way of generating passwords that are difficult to
guess but the vast majority of people pick stupid passwords which are
easy to guess.
--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?

Mark wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:55:57 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , Ian Jackson
writes
In message , geoff
writes
In message , Phil Addison
writes
Rant warning

Just logged onto my low usage Barclays account and I'm greeted by an
empty statement saying "there are no transactions for the period you
selected". WTF.. I haven't selected any period ... oh, it says "in the
last 30 days", true I haven't used them for over 30 days but I want to
update by spreadsheet from April.

There is a facility to view old transactions online, but you have to
sign up for it, you can't do it retrospectively AFAIK

Somewhere near the free kaspersky AV offer

Barclays used to let you go back several (at least six?) months, but
now it's only about six weeks. [The oldest transaction in my current
account is 15 August.] On the other hand, Halifax seem to let you go
back 'for ever'.
I just download all my accounts weekly to microSoft Money

That's it

no problem

MS money stopped working for me years ago. The last UK version was,
IIRC, about 2004???

2009?, but GNUCash will import all formats of MS Money data. Note that:-

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2118008

Also applies, follow the link and instructions for a working, no
activation needed, version of Money Plus.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Sep 28, 12:18*pm, Mark
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 03:19:34 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q"









wrote:
On Sep 28, 9:32*am, Mark
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:41:42 +0100, alan
wrote:
On 27/09/2012 15:02, John Williamson wrote:

In my case, none of these are written down anywhere,
except the username and card details.

At work my list of username/passwords fits on two A4 sheets
of paper.

At home the lists fits on to 5 A4 sheets of paper. While I will admit to
some similarity in user/passwords I cannot remember if I've put $$123 or
$$456 or $$abc at the end or beginning of each of the passwords.

And then there are the systems that will only accept passwords that
include a random set of "characters" that need to be changed on a
regular basis. Does any organisation think these types of passwords are
more secure when they will be written down by EVERYONE that has to use
them.

I would assume that any password that's simple enough to remember
would also be easy to guess.

You assume wrong. I defy you to guess my pasword. "Simple to remember"
means many different things to different people.

You may have a good way of generating passwords that are difficult to
guess but the vast majority of people pick stupid passwords which are
easy to guess.

Nice wriggle from "easy to remember" to "stupid". If you can't support
your original asertion, don't bother.

MBQ

On 28/09/2012 12:05, Mark wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 03:19:34 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q"
wrote:

On Sep 28, 9:32 am, Mark
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:41:42 +0100, alan
wrote:
On 27/09/2012 15:02, John Williamson wrote:

In my case, none of these are written down anywhere,
except the username and card details.

At work my list of username/passwords fits on two A4 sheets
of paper.

At home the lists fits on to 5 A4 sheets of paper. While I will admit to
some similarity in user/passwords I cannot remember if I've put $$123 or
$$456 or $$abc at the end or beginning of each of the passwords.

And then there are the systems that will only accept passwords that
include a random set of "characters" that need to be changed on a
regular basis. Does any organisation think these types of passwords are
more secure when they will be written down by EVERYONE that has to use
them.

I would assume that any password that's simple enough to remember
would also be easy to guess.

You assume wrong. I defy you to guess my pasword. "Simple to remember"
means many different things to different people.

You may have a good way of generating passwords that are difficult to
guess but the vast majority of people pick stupid passwords which are
easy to guess.


Just make sure your dog has a very unusual name

On Friday, September 28, 2012 6:41:42 AM UTC+1, alan wrote:

And then there are the systems that will only accept passwords that include
a random set of "characters" that need to be changed on a regular basis.
Does any organisation think these types of passwords are more secure when
they will be written down by EVERYONE that has to use them.

This xkcd comic illustrates the issue well (admiitedly somewhat techy):

http://xkcd.com/936/

What's interesting is that I can still remember the 'correcthorsebatterystaple' password even now despite not having seen it for quite some time!

Mathew

On Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:00:28 PM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

Tim Streater wrote:

In article ,

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:



I'll add a rant about Barclays online banking. I don't need to pay

things very often via that - perhaps no more than about half a dozen

times a year - and usually to someone I've paid before.



But a couple of months ago wanted to pay someone else as it were. And

it informed me I needed a card reader. Great - but why didn't it send

me one before introducing this? Or inform me it would be needed? Got

one - and what a performance to pay a bill.



How can you be using Barclays online banking *without* a card reader?



Eh? Have done for many years without.

My parents told me they used to leave their front door open but haven't done so in the past 20 years.



--

*Gravity is a myth, the earth sucks *



Dave Plowman London SW

To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:21:47 -0700, Mathew Newton wrote:
This xkcd comic illustrates the issue well (admiitedly somewhat techy):

http://xkcd.com/936/

.... and just hope that the target system doesn't silently ignore
everything beyond the tenth character anyway :-)

On Friday, September 28, 2012 2:31:59 PM UTC+1, Jules Richardson wrote:

... and just hope that the target system doesn't silently ignore everything
beyond the tenth character anyway :-)

Ha ha, true. I've been bitten by that before with Apache's HTTP authentication defaulting to using the CRYPT encryption format... Little did I know at the time that only the first 8 characters of the supplied password are considered and it was only when I was sure I'd mistype the end of a passphrase, yet still obtained access, did I dig a little deeper to discover this!

Mathew

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:55 +0100, John Williamson
wrote:

Mark wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:55:57 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , Ian Jackson
writes
In message , geoff
writes
In message , Phil Addison
writes
Rant warning

Just logged onto my low usage Barclays account and I'm greeted by an
empty statement saying "there are no transactions for the period you
selected". WTF.. I haven't selected any period ... oh, it says "in the
last 30 days", true I haven't used them for over 30 days but I want to
update by spreadsheet from April.

There is a facility to view old transactions online, but you have to
sign up for it, you can't do it retrospectively AFAIK

Somewhere near the free kaspersky AV offer

Barclays used to let you go back several (at least six?) months, but
now it's only about six weeks. [The oldest transaction in my current
account is 15 August.] On the other hand, Halifax seem to let you go
back 'for ever'.
I just download all my accounts weekly to microSoft Money

That's it

no problem

MS money stopped working for me years ago. The last UK version was,
IIRC, about 2004???

2009?, but GNUCash will import all formats of MS Money data.

I've not tried GNUcash. Is it any good?

Note that:-

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2118008

Also applies, follow the link and instructions for a working, no
activation needed, version of Money Plus.

Isn't this the US version? The UK version was discontinued longer
ago.
--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 04:30:32 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q"
wrote:

On Sep 28, 12:18*pm, Mark
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 03:19:34 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q"









wrote:
On Sep 28, 9:32*am, Mark
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:41:42 +0100, alan
wrote:
On 27/09/2012 15:02, John Williamson wrote:

In my case, none of these are written down anywhere,
except the username and card details.

At work my list of username/passwords fits on two A4 sheets
of paper.

At home the lists fits on to 5 A4 sheets of paper. While I will admit to
some similarity in user/passwords I cannot remember if I've put $$123 or
$$456 or $$abc at the end or beginning of each of the passwords.

And then there are the systems that will only accept passwords that
include a random set of "characters" that need to be changed on a
regular basis. Does any organisation think these types of passwords are
more secure when they will be written down by EVERYONE that has to use
them.

I would assume that any password that's simple enough to remember
would also be easy to guess.

You assume wrong. I defy you to guess my pasword. "Simple to remember"
means many different things to different people.

You may have a good way of generating passwords that are difficult to
guess but the vast majority of people pick stupid passwords which are
easy to guess.

Nice wriggle from "easy to remember" to "stupid".

It's not a wriggle. I've already covered the 'easy to remember' part.
You have not supported your assertion so maybe you shouldn't bother.

If you can't support your original asertion, don't bother.

ROTFL. This is usenet, not a court of law.
--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?

Mark wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:19:55 +0100, John Williamson
wrote:

Mark wrote:
MS money stopped working for me years ago. The last UK version was,
IIRC, about 2004???

2009?, but GNUCash will import all formats of MS Money data.

I've not tried GNUcash. Is it any good?

As it's free, both as in beer and as in speech, it's good value, if a
bit US centric in its accounting codes.

Note that:-

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2118008

Also applies, follow the link and instructions for a working, no
activation needed, version of Money Plus.

Isn't this the US version? The UK version was discontinued longer
ago.

It is, but then again, the dollar and the pound are both decimal
currencies, and any tax information is now going to be wrong no matter
what currency you're working in. I think there's a way to open UK
accounts using it, I've not tried it, though, as GNUCash is more than
enough for my simple needs.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:53:41 +0100, Mark wrote:

IME the most common security breach is where they somehow incercept
card details in transit and then use them until the card is stopped.

You mean by people responding to phishing emails... No amount of web
security is going to help solve that one.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:51:36 -0400, S Viemeister wrote:

Somewhere I have my 1960s cheque book from the National Commercial
Bank, which no longer exists - I believe it's part of RBS now. There
would have been a few pounds still in that account, but RBS claims to
have no record of it...

I think there is a central registry of old banks and who (should) now
have the details of the old accounts but see another post that indicated
the government is about to (or has already) grabbed that money. I have
some vague memories of that but not having any dormant accounts I didn't
pay that much attention, was quite a while ago I heard.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:32:54 +0100, stuart noble wrote:

On 28/09/2012 08:55, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:00:27 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

--snip--

And online banking that you can't use at all without javascript and with
javascript is slow clunky eye candy heap of poo. Also quite close to
ditching them.

The Santander web site mostly works without javascript except for
logging out! I did inform them about this but they are willfully
ignorant and won't change it.


I have no complaints about Santander online banking, and the current
current account with cashback and interest is a big improvement over
last year's over complicated version.
I just copy and paste into my own spreadsheet, which translates the
bank's transaction info into English.
I have tried disabling that remembered password thing for specific sites
in Firefox but every now and then I see the password pop up when I'm
typing. I probably haven't tried hard enough :-)

My only complaint re. Santander is that the .xls is in date-descending order
and no way can I get it to go the other way across all columns. The Total
doesn't follow the other columns - in fact it doesn't go in any logical
order. I've tried all methods in both Excell and Calc. Begining to get used
to it now, but haven't found a way of using the paper record in this way.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:27:01 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:51:36 -0400, S Viemeister wrote:

Somewhere I have my 1960s cheque book from the National Commercial
Bank, which no longer exists - I believe it's part of RBS now. There
would have been a few pounds still in that account, but RBS claims to
have no record of it...

I think there is a central registry of old banks and who (should) now
have the details of the old accounts but see another post that indicated
the government is about to (or has already) grabbed that money. I have
some vague memories of that but not having any dormant accounts I didn't
pay that much attention, was quite a while ago I heard.

There was a moneybox item about this a while back - search bbc radio 4.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:39:25 +0100, Phil Addison wrote:

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:27:01 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:51:36 -0400, S Viemeister wrote:

Somewhere I have my 1960s cheque book from the National Commercial
Bank, which no longer exists - I believe it's part of RBS now. There
would have been a few pounds still in that account, but RBS claims to
have no record of it...

I think there is a central registry of old banks and who (should) now
have the details of the old accounts but see another post that indicated
the government is about to (or has already) grabbed that money. I have
some vague memories of that but not having any dormant accounts I didn't
pay that much attention, was quite a while ago I heard.

There was a moneybox item about this a while back - search bbc radio 4.

http://www.mylostaccount.org.uk/

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:38:48 +0100, PeterC wrote:

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:32:54 +0100, stuart noble wrote:

On 28/09/2012 08:55, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:00:27 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

--snip--

And online banking that you can't use at all without javascript and with
javascript is slow clunky eye candy heap of poo. Also quite close to
ditching them.

The Santander web site mostly works without javascript except for
logging out! I did inform them about this but they are willfully
ignorant and won't change it.


I have no complaints about Santander online banking, and the current
current account with cashback and interest is a big improvement over
last year's over complicated version.
I just copy and paste into my own spreadsheet, which translates the
bank's transaction info into English.
I have tried disabling that remembered password thing for specific sites
in Firefox but every now and then I see the password pop up when I'm
typing. I probably haven't tried hard enough :-)

My only complaint re. Santander is that the .xls is in date-descending order
and no way can I get it to go the other way across all columns. The Total
doesn't follow the other columns - in fact it doesn't go in any logical
order. I've tried all methods in both Excell and Calc. Begining to get used
to it now, but haven't found a way of using the paper record in this way.

Try TableTools2 firefox extension from http://www.mingyi.org/TableTools2/. It is very good
at extracting data from websites. Some sites defeat it but it works on a some bank sites
I've tried.

Phil

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:38:48 +0100
PeterC wrote:

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:32:54 +0100, stuart noble wrote:

On 28/09/2012 08:55, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:00:27 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

--snip--

And online banking that you can't use at all without javascript
and with javascript is slow clunky eye candy heap of poo. Also
quite close to ditching them.

The Santander web site mostly works without javascript except for
logging out! I did inform them about this but they are willfully
ignorant and won't change it.


I have no complaints about Santander online banking, and the
current current account with cashback and interest is a big
improvement over last year's over complicated version.
I just copy and paste into my own spreadsheet, which translates the
bank's transaction info into English.
I have tried disabling that remembered password thing for specific
sites in Firefox but every now and then I see the password pop up
when I'm typing. I probably haven't tried hard enough :-)

My only complaint re. Santander is that the .xls is in
date-descending order and no way can I get it to go the other way
across all columns. The Total doesn't follow the other columns - in
fact it doesn't go in any logical order. I've tried all methods in
both Excell and Calc. Begining to get used to it now, but haven't
found a way of using the paper record in this way.

To re-sort:
In the first column to the right, create an ascending list,
1,2,3 etc, from top to bottom. Use 'Fill' to fill to the bottom of your
table.
Select the whole table, then 'Sort' using your new column, descending,
as the rule.
Your table is now upside down to what it was.
I can't help with the Total problem, though, as I can't see it.
--
Davey.

On 28/09/2012 17:38, PeterC wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:32:54 +0100, stuart noble wrote:

On 28/09/2012 08:55, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:00:27 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

--snip--

And online banking that you can't use at all without javascript and with
javascript is slow clunky eye candy heap of poo. Also quite close to
ditching them.

The Santander web site mostly works without javascript except for
logging out! I did inform them about this but they are willfully
ignorant and won't change it.


I have no complaints about Santander online banking, and the current
current account with cashback and interest is a big improvement over
last year's over complicated version.
I just copy and paste into my own spreadsheet, which translates the
bank's transaction info into English.
I have tried disabling that remembered password thing for specific sites
in Firefox but every now and then I see the password pop up when I'm
typing. I probably haven't tried hard enough :-)

My only complaint re. Santander is that the .xls is in date-descending order
and no way can I get it to go the other way across all columns. The Total
doesn't follow the other columns - in fact it doesn't go in any logical
order. I've tried all methods in both Excell and Calc. Begining to get used
to it now, but haven't found a way of using the paper record in this way.


ISTR the A&L downloaded files were a bit strange, and any modern version
of Excel whinged about converting them. Can't believe it's difficult to
sort the data though.
I've always found it easier to copy and paste into my own spreadsheet

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:27:01 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:51:36 -0400, S Viemeister wrote:

Somewhere I have my 1960s cheque book from the National Commercial
Bank, which no longer exists - I believe it's part of RBS now. There
would have been a few pounds still in that account, but RBS claims to
have no record of it...

I think there is a central registry of old banks and who (should) now
have the details of the old accounts but see another post that indicated
the government is about to (or has already) grabbed that money.

But you can still get it back, even if most won't bother.



--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

On 28/09/2012 17:58, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:38:48 +0100
PeterC wrote:

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:32:54 +0100, stuart noble wrote:

On 28/09/2012 08:55, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:00:27 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

--snip--

And online banking that you can't use at all without javascript
and with javascript is slow clunky eye candy heap of poo. Also
quite close to ditching them.

The Santander web site mostly works without javascript except for
logging out! I did inform them about this but they are willfully
ignorant and won't change it.


I have no complaints about Santander online banking, and the
current current account with cashback and interest is a big
improvement over last year's over complicated version.
I just copy and paste into my own spreadsheet, which translates the
bank's transaction info into English.
I have tried disabling that remembered password thing for specific
sites in Firefox but every now and then I see the password pop up
when I'm typing. I probably haven't tried hard enough :-)

My only complaint re. Santander is that the .xls is in
date-descending order and no way can I get it to go the other way
across all columns. The Total doesn't follow the other columns - in
fact it doesn't go in any logical order. I've tried all methods in
both Excell and Calc. Begining to get used to it now, but haven't
found a way of using the paper record in this way.

To re-sort:
In the first column to the right, create an ascending list,
1,2,3 etc, from top to bottom. Use 'Fill' to fill to the bottom of your
table.
Select the whole table, then 'Sort' using your new column, descending,
as the rule.
Your table is now upside down to what it was.
I can't help with the Total problem, though, as I can't see it.

Easier to just sort by date, but it sounds like theirs might be in a
text format. This should convert it. ISTR the times one calculation
forces Excel to treat it as a number?

=IF(A2"",SUBSTITUTE(A2,".","/")*1,"")

In message , Huge
writes
On 2012-09-27, Tim Streater wrote:
In article o.uk,
"Dave Liquorice" wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:27:20 +0100, Phil Addison wrote:

The export facility seems to be screwed...
"Export my data: we'll download all the information we have about your
accounts so we won't ask you for a date range. But please be aware
that it may take some time to download."
and invoking it produced
"You can type in dates for any period between 26/09/2012 and 26/09/2012
for this account."

******s! 'all my data' should go back over a decade!!

Only a decade? That unambigious statement should furnish me with at
*least* 34 years worth of transactions. I can't actually remember when I
opened the account, I might be a couple of years short.

I still have my Trustee Savings Bank pass book. Apparently I still have
£1 6s 0d in it - last entry late 1966.

IIRC, the Government is going to steal this;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010...nt-use-or-lose


Nope (and the headline on the article is misleading), you will/be/are
able to still claim the money back.
--
Chris French

In message , JTM writes
In article ,
chris French wrote:
I have used a BNP Paribas (Belgium) card reader
successfully to read my Nationwide card and login to
Nationwide. It also works the other way around for
*some* but not all transactions. The BNP Paribas card
reader simply has more options than the Nationwide one,
I don't think there are any different security
algorithms in it.

As an experiment I tried to use my Nationwide reader with
my smile card on my smile accounht (or vice versa, can't
remember). It's didn't work - it would produce codes,but
they were rejected by the website.

When I'd left my reader in France I popped into the N/wide
brance to do a transfer and asked to use a reader to do it.
The assistant gave me a new one and said that "once a reader
has been used with a card, it can only be used by *that*
card. Might just have been bull though.

Hmm, I think it might be.

Doesn't apply to the Smile readers, as we have a joint acct, and so use
either of our Debit cards

--
Chris French

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 23:06:36 +0100, chris French wrote:

In message , JTM writes
In article ,
chris French wrote:
I have used a BNP Paribas (Belgium) card reader successfully to read
my Nationwide card and login to Nationwide. It also works the other
way around for *some* but not all transactions. The BNP Paribas card
reader simply has more options than the Nationwide one,
I don't think there are any different security algorithms in it.

As an experiment I tried to use my Nationwide reader with my smile
card on my smile accounht (or vice versa, can't remember). It's didn't
work - it would produce codes,but they were rejected by the website.

When I'd left my reader in France I popped into the N/wide brance to do
a transfer and asked to use a reader to do it. The assistant gave me a
new one and said that "once a reader has been used with a card, it can
only be used by *that* card. Might just have been bull though.

Hmm, I think it might be.

Doesn't apply to the Smile readers, as we have a joint acct, and so use
either of our Debit cards

Doesn't apply to the NatWest ones. SWTNFI sometimes borrows my reader, as
she occasionally loses hers.

--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

JTM wrote:

When I'd left my reader in France I popped into the N/wide
brance to do a transfer and asked to use a reader to do it.
The assistant gave me a new one and said that "once a reader
has been used with a card, it can only be used by *that*
card. Might just have been bull though.

Certainly doesn't apply to the Barclays PINsentry, they use the same
model in-branch to identify you for large value transactions.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:57:19 +0100, Phil Addison wrote:

My only complaint re. Santander is that the .xls is in date-descending order
and no way can I get it to go the other way across all columns. The Total
doesn't follow the other columns - in fact it doesn't go in any logical
order. I've tried all methods in both Excell and Calc. Begining to get used
to it now, but haven't found a way of using the paper record in this way.

Try TableTools2 firefox extension from http://www.mingyi.org/TableTools2/. It is very good
at extracting data from websites. Some sites defeat it but it works on a some bank sites
I've tried.

Thanks for that - now installed. I've always used Opera and keep Pale Moon
for the awkward sites but next time I log on I'll see what the add-on can
do.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 19:22:37 +0100, stuart noble wrote:

My only complaint re. Santander is that the .xls is in
date-descending order and no way can I get it to go the other way
across all columns. The Total doesn't follow the other columns - in
fact it doesn't go in any logical order. I've tried all methods in
both Excell and Calc. Begining to get used to it now, but haven't
found a way of using the paper record in this way.

To re-sort:
In the first column to the right, create an ascending list,
1,2,3 etc, from top to bottom. Use 'Fill' to fill to the bottom of your
table.
Select the whole table, then 'Sort' using your new column, descending,
as the rule.
Your table is now upside down to what it was.
I can't help with the Total problem, though, as I can't see it.

Easier to just sort by date, but it sounds like theirs might be in a
text format. This should convert it. ISTR the times one calculation
forces Excel to treat it as a number?

=IF(A2"",SUBSTITUTE(A2,".","/")*1,"")

Thanks for the suggestions - I'll try them v. soon (nearly the end of the
month).
The Date column sorts OK, as do all of the others with the exception of
Total; not only isn't it in the correct order for the new Date order but
it's not in anything logical at all.
If only I could predict the transactions I could keep the paper record to
match the xls file!
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 29/09/2012 09:18, PeterC wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 19:22:37 +0100, stuart noble wrote:

My only complaint re. Santander is that the .xls is in
date-descending order and no way can I get it to go the other way
across all columns. The Total doesn't follow the other columns - in
fact it doesn't go in any logical order. I've tried all methods in
both Excell and Calc. Begining to get used to it now, but haven't
found a way of using the paper record in this way.

To re-sort:
In the first column to the right, create an ascending list,
1,2,3 etc, from top to bottom. Use 'Fill' to fill to the bottom of your
table.
Select the whole table, then 'Sort' using your new column, descending,
as the rule.
Your table is now upside down to what it was.
I can't help with the Total problem, though, as I can't see it.

Easier to just sort by date, but it sounds like theirs might be in a
text format. This should convert it. ISTR the times one calculation
forces Excel to treat it as a number?

=IF(A2"",SUBSTITUTE(A2,".","/")*1,"")

Thanks for the suggestions - I'll try them v. soon (nearly the end of the
month).
The Date column sorts OK, as do all of the others with the exception of
Total; not only isn't it in the correct order for the new Date order but
it's not in anything logical at all.
If only I could predict the transactions I could keep the paper record to
match the xls file!


I just downloaded a Santander file in the xls format, and see that
things have improved since I last looked. Their date format is fine and
sorting all columns (B:H) by date was no problem.
Not sure what the "total" column is that you refer to.

"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2012-09-28, chris French wrote:
In message , Huge
writes
On 2012-09-27, Tim Streater wrote:
In article o.uk,
"Dave Liquorice" wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:27:20 +0100, Phil Addison wrote:

The export facility seems to be screwed...
"Export my data: we'll download all the information we have about
your
accounts so we won't ask you for a date range. But please be aware
that it may take some time to download."
and invoking it produced
"You can type in dates for any period between 26/09/2012 and
26/09/2012
for this account."

******s! 'all my data' should go back over a decade!!

Only a decade? That unambigious statement should furnish me with at
*least* 34 years worth of transactions. I can't actually remember when
I
opened the account, I might be a couple of years short.

I still have my Trustee Savings Bank pass book. Apparently I still have
£1 6s 0d in it - last entry late 1966.

IIRC, the Government is going to steal this;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010...nt-use-or-lose


Nope (and the headline on the article is misleading), you will/be/are
able to still claim the money back.

Well, kinda. If the owner of the account turns up, they can get the money
back. Otherwise the Government steals it.

But ATM the bank's are stealing it (as someone who had money stolen by a
bank this way - significantly more than 1 and 6 and significantly less then
46 years dormant, actually it was less than 46 weeks!)

I know which I prefer YMMV

tim

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"tim....." wrote:

"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2012-09-28, chris French wrote:
In message , Huge
writes
On 2012-09-27, Tim Streater wrote:
In article o.uk,
"Dave Liquorice" wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:27:20 +0100, Phil Addison wrote:

The export facility seems to be screwed...
"Export my data: we'll download all the information we have about
your
accounts so we won't ask you for a date range. But please be
aware
that it may take some time to download."
and invoking it produced
"You can type in dates for any period between 26/09/2012 and
26/09/2012
for this account."

******s! 'all my data' should go back over a decade!!

Only a decade? That unambigious statement should furnish me with at
*least* 34 years worth of transactions. I can't actually remember
when I
opened the account, I might be a couple of years short.

I still have my Trustee Savings Bank pass book. Apparently I still
have
£1 6s 0d in it - last entry late 1966.

IIRC, the Government is going to steal this;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010...nt-use-or-lose


Nope (and the headline on the article is misleading), you will/be/are
able to still claim the money back.

Well, kinda. If the owner of the account turns up, they can get the
money
back. Otherwise the Government steals it.

But ATM the bank's are stealing it (as someone who had money stolen by a
bank this way - significantly more than 1 and 6 and significantly less
then 46 years dormant, actually it was less than 46 weeks!)

1/6? It was 26 bob.

Oh yeah.

Still three orders of magnitude less than what the bank "stole" off of me!

tim

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:05:42 +0100, "tim....." wrote:


"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"tim....." wrote:

"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2012-09-28, chris French wrote:
In message , Huge
writes
On 2012-09-27, Tim Streater wrote:
In article o.uk,
"Dave Liquorice" wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:27:20 +0100, Phil Addison wrote:

The export facility seems to be screwed...
"Export my data: we'll download all the information we have about
your
accounts so we won't ask you for a date range. But please be
aware
that it may take some time to download."
and invoking it produced
"You can type in dates for any period between 26/09/2012 and
26/09/2012
for this account."

******s! 'all my data' should go back over a decade!!

Only a decade? That unambigious statement should furnish me with at
*least* 34 years worth of transactions. I can't actually remember
when I
opened the account, I might be a couple of years short.

I still have my Trustee Savings Bank pass book. Apparently I still
have
£1 6s 0d in it - last entry late 1966.

IIRC, the Government is going to steal this;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010...nt-use-or-lose


Nope (and the headline on the article is misleading), you will/be/are
able to still claim the money back.

Well, kinda. If the owner of the account turns up, they can get the
money
back. Otherwise the Government steals it.

But ATM the bank's are stealing it (as someone who had money stolen by a
bank this way - significantly more than 1 and 6 and significantly less
then 46 years dormant, actually it was less than 46 weeks!)

1/6? It was 26 bob.

Oh yeah.

Still three orders of magnitude less than what the bank "stole" off of me!

Sue 'em in the small claims court!

On 27/09/2012 15:32, djc wrote:

And while we are on banking rants€” Nationwide don't think my account is
a main account because I don't pay in 750 quid every month, the fact
that I have an irregular self-employed income that amounts to
considerably more that that over the course of a year dosn't count
apparently.

Is that for the travel insurance offered instead of free foreign ATMs?
I'm in the same situation as you regarding the £750 thing. They sent a
letter saying I had to pop 750/1k (can't remember) in each month until
the end of 2012, which I will do with same day faster payments shuffles.
For foreign ATMs, I visited Metrobank when in London.

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 00:26:56 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Certainly doesn't apply to the Barclays PINsentry, they use the same
model in-branch to identify you for large value transactions.

How does it identify you? All it shows is that the person has the card
and knows the cards PIN.

--
Cheers
Dave.