Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in the
dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a single
gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring loaded back to
the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a senior moment ? I've
looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but nothing springs out at
me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:22:33 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in the
dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a single
gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring loaded back to
the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a senior moment ? I've
looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but nothing springs out at
me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

Would something like this do you?

http://www.letsautomate.com/11471.cfm

Nick

In article , Arfa Daily
writes
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in the
dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a single
gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring loaded back to
the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a senior moment ? I've
looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but nothing springs out at
me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

Believe it or not I think this obscurely named part is what you are
looking for:

www.toolstation.com/shop/p51663.html

Momentary must be too complicated for the trade to understand so you're
looking for a 'press' switch.

Similar here from screwfix, with or without 'press' legend:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/arse/52875
http://www.screwfix.com/p/arse/67883
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but
nothing springs out at me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

I have lights that use a momentary switch in some labs at work,but the
switch is connected to a controller that uses the momentary output to
toggle the state of the light.Other inputs come from PIRs so the lights
go out when the area is unoccupied.

So,yes this type of switch is certainly available.try the MK Grid range


cheers

David

Arfa Daily wrote:

Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in the
dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a single
gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring loaded back to
the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a senior moment ? I've
looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but nothing springs out at
me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??


Yes - such things exist. Often used to fire time-limited lighting control
relays for, eg communal hallway lighting.



--
Tim Watts

On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but
nothing springs out at me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a neon
indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd have to
supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I know I
can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't really want the
fuse.

Any ideas?
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On Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:42:45 PM UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote:
On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:

Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary

rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in

the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a

single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring

loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a

senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but

nothing springs out at me.



Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??



TIA



Arfa



On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a neon

indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd have to

supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched live].



I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is

wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left on,

and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I know I

can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't really want the

fuse.



Any ideas?

You could do it in the Click modular system - a 2 module plate with a light switch and a neon fitted. Even a choice of colours!
http://www.downlightsdirect.co.uk/sw...white-pvc.html
http://www.downlightsdirect.co.uk/sw...ick-white.html
http://www.downlightsdirect.co.uk/sw...r-modules.html

A

In article ,
Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but
nothing springs out at me.

Look in most maker's grid switch ranges. Usually include a momentary one
- usually a C/O type. MK range does.

--
*Two wrongs are only the beginning *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Roger Mills wrote:
On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but
nothing springs out at me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a neon
indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd have to
supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I know I
can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't really want the
fuse.

Any ideas?

there are unfused switched with neons too..if they are 'always on'
neons they can be 'modified'

Ok they are generally DP isolation, and 20A and up, but so what?

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To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

On 05/08/2012 15:42, Roger Mills wrote:
On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but
nothing springs out at me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a neon
indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd have to
supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I know I
can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't really want the
fuse.

Any ideas?

Why not simply put a neon across the switch. Okay it'd be on when the
light was off and vice-versa, but that just helps you find the switch in
the dark. For UK switches, you can get a clear "base" that sandwiches
between the switch and it's back box, complete with two neons, for this
very purpose.

SteveW

Roger Mills wrote:

On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a neon
indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd have to
supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched live].

I've got several of the 20A DP neon switches that other people have
suggested in use for this sort of thing.


I also have some instances of the sort of light switch where the whole
faceplate rocks back and forth (most of which I use as wall light-switches
that can be operated with an elbow while carrying something). I do however
use some elsewhere and for these in a couple of instances I wanted a neon
indicator (or two - in one case where the switch isn't being used for a wall
light, I wanted 2 neons; one illuminated when there is power to the switch
but the switched item is off, the other comes on when the switched item has
power).

In these cases the tilting switch is mounted on a shallow (eg 16mm) plastic
back box. I drilled the edge of the back box and fitted one or two of
Maplin's "miniature round panel neon" indicators - see:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/home-and-diy/bulbs/neon-lamps

To use these you do need to be able to solder fairly fine wires to the
connectors on the backs of the lamps. I normally put heat-shrink tubing
over the connections as well, to insulate them, and one has to do that
carefully if you still want to be able to thread the lamp & wires through
the 7mm diameter hole in the edge of the mounting box and still be able to
thread the fixing nut onto the lamp - it's fiddly...


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On 05/08/2012 16:01, Owain wrote:
On Aug 5, 3:42 pm, Roger wrote:
On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a neon
indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd have to
supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched live].


http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK5423.html
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/AA20DPSW.html

Ta. Either of those would probably do. They both say they have a flex
outlet. I presume that means that there's a knockout in one edge for
bringing a flex out parallel with the wall? But does it also mean that
the outlet terminals are of the "wrap wire around a screw" type rather
than the usual hole + grub screw? If so, are they ok for a solid
conductor house-wiring outlet cable rather than a flex?
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Roger Mills wrote:

Ta. Either of those would probably do. They both say they have a flex
outlet. I presume that means that there's a knockout in one edge for
bringing a flex out parallel with the wall?

That's so for the MK (?) ones I've used in the past.

But does it also mean that the outlet terminals are of the "wrap wire
around a screw" type rather than the usual hole + grub screw? If so, are
they ok for a solid conductor house-wiring outlet cable rather than a
flex?

The ones I've seen have holes & grub screws, fine with T&E. The sort of
instance you might see one using flex for the appliance is with an immersion
heater.

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On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:32:04 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 15:42, Roger Mills wrote:
On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue,
but nothing springs out at me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a
neon indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd have
to supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I know I
can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't really want
the fuse.

Any ideas?

Why not simply put a neon across the switch. Okay it'd be on when the
light was off and vice-versa, but that just helps you find the switch in
the dark. For UK switches, you can get a clear "base" that sandwiches
between the switch and it's back box, complete with two neons, for this
very purpose.

I was going to suggest that (we have one on the first light switch as you
enter the house).

But as a modification, if he's running a neutral to the switch, it can go
between switched line and neutral. A one-wire choccy block will do the
job.




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http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

On 05/08/2012 22:51, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:32:04 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 15:42, Roger Mills wrote:
On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue,
but nothing springs out at me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a
neon indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd have
to supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I know I
can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't really want
the fuse.

Any ideas?

Why not simply put a neon across the switch. Okay it'd be on when the
light was off and vice-versa, but that just helps you find the switch in
the dark. For UK switches, you can get a clear "base" that sandwiches
between the switch and it's back box, complete with two neons, for this
very purpose.

I was going to suggest that (we have one on the first light switch as you
enter the house).

But as a modification, if he's running a neutral to the switch, it can go
between switched line and neutral. A one-wire choccy block will do the
job.

If he just goes across the switch, he won't need to do any modifications
and run in a neutral though - I don't know how hard it is for him to do
that.

SteveW

On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:24:36 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 22:51, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:32:04 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 15:42, Roger Mills wrote:
On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just
momentary rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that
somewhere in the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks
exactly like a single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is
actually spring loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just
imagining this in a senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool
Station catalogue, but nothing springs out at me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a
neon indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd
have to supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched
live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I know
I can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't really
want the fuse.

Any ideas?

Why not simply put a neon across the switch. Okay it'd be on when the
light was off and vice-versa, but that just helps you find the switch
in the dark. For UK switches, you can get a clear "base" that
sandwiches between the switch and it's back box, complete with two
neons, for this very purpose.

I was going to suggest that (we have one on the first light switch as
you enter the house).

But as a modification, if he's running a neutral to the switch, it can
go between switched line and neutral. A one-wire choccy block will do
the job.

If he just goes across the switch, he won't need to do any modifications
and run in a neutral though - I don't know how hard it is for him to do
that.

Yes, but the modification gives him what he originally wanted - the neon
lit when the switch is ON.



--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

"Nick Odell" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:22:33 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in the
dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a single
gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring loaded back to
the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a senior moment ? I've
looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but nothing springs out at
me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

Would something like this do you?

http://www.letsautomate.com/11471.cfm

Nick


Very possibly. Thanks Nick.

Arfa

"fred" wrote in message ...
In article , Arfa Daily
writes
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in the
dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a single
gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring loaded back to
the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a senior moment ? I've
looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but nothing springs out at
me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

Believe it or not I think this obscurely named part is what you are
looking for:

www.toolstation.com/shop/p51663.html

Momentary must be too complicated for the trade to understand so you're
looking for a 'press' switch.

Similar here from screwfix, with or without 'press' legend:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/arse/52875
http://www.screwfix.com/p/arse/67883
--
fred

Ah, yes ! That's it !

Thanks

Arfa
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but
nothing springs out at me.

Look in most maker's grid switch ranges. Usually include a momentary one
- usually a C/O type. MK range does.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


Yep. Found 'em now I know what I'm looking for. Thanks all. Appreciated.

Arfa

"David" wrote in message
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On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but
nothing springs out at me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

I have lights that use a momentary switch in some labs at work,but the
switch is connected to a controller that uses the momentary output to
toggle the state of the light.Other inputs come from PIRs so the lights go
out when the area is unoccupied.

So,yes this type of switch is certainly available.try the MK Grid range


cheers

David


Similar sort of thing here. I have just replaced the shower extractor fan /
light, the original having a motor that wouldn't run any more due to
collapsed bearings. The reason for this is that in its 'standard' form, the
fan is controlled from the lighting switched live. That means that the fan
always runs if the lights are on. The shower room is at the top of the
stairs, and its lights cast a gentle light in the area through the fanlight
over the door, so tend to get left on all evening until I finally go to bed
(usually very late !!) and turn them off. So I've done a mod to the new one,
and designed and built a little controller that senses when the shower pump
motor is drawing current, and produces a DC voltage to drive a mains-rated
relay that I managed to fit inside the fan run-on controller's casing. This
means that the light on the fixture can just come on normally from the
switched live, along with the other lights in there, and the fan won't run.
When the shower is used, the fan starts, and runs as long as my sensor
circuit detects that the pump is running. When it stops, the relay drops,
and the run-on timer takes over to continue extraction for a few minutes. An
added advantage of this is that in the summer when people take a shower
without putting the lights on, the extraction will still come on.

I want the momentary switch to mount outside the shower room to bridge the
relay contacts. That way, if I want extraction without the shower running
(there's a bog in there as well, so use your imagination ... ) I can just
stab the switch, which will start the extractor fan. It will then run for
the run-on time controlled by its own timer. It does all work exactly as
planned, and I have the wire running down the inside of the airing cupboard
which is next to the shower room, so all that's now needed is to bring it
through the wall, and obtain and connect the switch :-)

Arfa

On 05/08/2012 23:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:24:36 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 22:51, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:32:04 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 15:42, Roger Mills wrote:


On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a
neon indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd
have to supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched
live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I know
I can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't really
want the fuse.

Any ideas?

Why not simply put a neon across the switch. Okay it'd be on when the
light was off and vice-versa, but that just helps you find the switch
in the dark. For UK switches, you can get a clear "base" that
sandwiches between the switch and it's back box, complete with two
neons, for this very purpose.

I was going to suggest that (we have one on the first light switch as
you enter the house).

But as a modification, if he's running a neutral to the switch, it can
go between switched line and neutral. A one-wire choccy block will do
the job.

If he just goes across the switch, he won't need to do any modifications
and run in a neutral though - I don't know how hard it is for him to do
that.

Yes, but the modification gives him what he originally wanted - the neon
lit when the switch is ON.


Yes indeed. I *don't* want the neon on when the light is off. I'm pretty
sure I've got two neutrals joined by a choccy connector (or even a crimp
maybe) in the back box - so providing a neutral won't be a problem.

I'd thought of getting a neon from Maplins and mounting it in the
switch, but I'd rather have something which looks as if it's meant to be
there.

I've just ordered one of these from Ebay, which seemed worth a punt for
a couple of quid including postage!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3505305624... 4.m1439.l2648

If that's no good[1], I'll go for one of the switches suggested by Owain.


[1] There may be a reason why they're selling them off cheap!
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:58:46 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

On 05/08/2012 23:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:24:36 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 22:51, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:32:04 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 15:42, Roger Mills wrote:


On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a
neon indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd
have to supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched
live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left
on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I
know I can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't
really want the fuse.

Any ideas?

Why not simply put a neon across the switch. Okay it'd be on when
the light was off and vice-versa, but that just helps you find the
switch in the dark. For UK switches, you can get a clear "base" that
sandwiches between the switch and it's back box, complete with two
neons, for this very purpose.

I was going to suggest that (we have one on the first light switch as
you enter the house).

But as a modification, if he's running a neutral to the switch, it
can go between switched line and neutral. A one-wire choccy block
will do the job.

If he just goes across the switch, he won't need to do any
modifications and run in a neutral though - I don't know how hard it
is for him to do that.

Yes, but the modification gives him what he originally wanted - the
neon lit when the switch is ON.


Yes indeed. I *don't* want the neon on when the light is off. I'm pretty
sure I've got two neutrals joined by a choccy connector (or even a crimp
maybe) in the back box - so providing a neutral won't be a problem.

I'd thought of getting a neon from Maplins and mounting it in the
switch, but I'd rather have something which looks as if it's meant to be
there.

I've just ordered one of these from Ebay, which seemed worth a punt for
a couple of quid including postage!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350530562491?
ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648

If that's no good[1], I'll go for one of the switches suggested by
Owain.


[1] There may be a reason why they're selling them off cheap!

I was referring to one of these - which can be fitted to the existing
switch.

http://tinyurl.com/c4vfndf




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"Roger Mills" wrote in message
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On 05/08/2012 23:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:24:36 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 22:51, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:32:04 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 15:42, Roger Mills wrote:


On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a
neon indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd
have to supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched
live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I know
I can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't really
want the fuse.

Any ideas?

Why not simply put a neon across the switch. Okay it'd be on when the
light was off and vice-versa, but that just helps you find the switch
in the dark. For UK switches, you can get a clear "base" that
sandwiches between the switch and it's back box, complete with two
neons, for this very purpose.

I was going to suggest that (we have one on the first light switch as
you enter the house).

But as a modification, if he's running a neutral to the switch, it can
go between switched line and neutral. A one-wire choccy block will do
the job.

If he just goes across the switch, he won't need to do any modifications
and run in a neutral though - I don't know how hard it is for him to do
that.

Yes, but the modification gives him what he originally wanted - the neon
lit when the switch is ON.


Yes indeed. I *don't* want the neon on when the light is off. I'm pretty
sure I've got two neutrals joined by a choccy connector (or even a crimp
maybe) in the back box - so providing a neutral won't be a problem.

I'd thought of getting a neon from Maplins and mounting it in the switch,
but I'd rather have something which looks as if it's meant to be there.

I've just ordered one of these from Ebay, which seemed worth a punt for a
couple of quid including postage!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3505305624... 4.m1439.l2648

If that's no good[1], I'll go for one of the switches suggested by Owain.


[1] There may be a reason why they're selling them off cheap!

Its more likely that they just have quite a few and there isnt much of a
demand.

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:58:46 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

On 05/08/2012 23:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:24:36 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 22:51, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:32:04 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 15:42, Roger Mills wrote:


On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a
neon indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd
have to supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched
live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left
on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I
know I can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't
really want the fuse.

Any ideas?

Why not simply put a neon across the switch. Okay it'd be on when
the light was off and vice-versa, but that just helps you find the
switch in the dark. For UK switches, you can get a clear "base" that
sandwiches between the switch and it's back box, complete with two
neons, for this very purpose.

I was going to suggest that (we have one on the first light switch as
you enter the house).

But as a modification, if he's running a neutral to the switch, it
can go between switched line and neutral. A one-wire choccy block
will do the job.

If he just goes across the switch, he won't need to do any
modifications and run in a neutral though - I don't know how hard it
is for him to do that.

Yes, but the modification gives him what he originally wanted - the
neon lit when the switch is ON.


Yes indeed. I *don't* want the neon on when the light is off. I'm pretty
sure I've got two neutrals joined by a choccy connector (or even a crimp
maybe) in the back box - so providing a neutral won't be a problem.

I'd thought of getting a neon from Maplins and mounting it in the
switch, but I'd rather have something which looks as if it's meant to be
there.

I've just ordered one of these from Ebay, which seemed worth a punt for
a couple of quid including postage!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350530562491?
ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648

If that's no good[1], I'll go for one of the switches suggested by
Owain.


[1] There may be a reason why they're selling them off cheap!

I was referring to one of these - which can be fitted to the existing
switch.

http://tinyurl.com/c4vfndf

Farking hell.

We have light switches which have snap in inserts for the switch
itself and the inserts have a variety of alternatives, including ones
which have a neon in the body of the switch itself.
http://www.sparkydirect.com.au/p/719...urs---30n.html

Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:58:46 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

On 05/08/2012 23:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:24:36 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 22:51, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:32:04 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 15:42, Roger Mills wrote:

On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a
neon indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd
have to supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched
live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left
on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I
know I can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't
really want the fuse.

Any ideas?
Why not simply put a neon across the switch. Okay it'd be on when
the light was off and vice-versa, but that just helps you find the
switch in the dark. For UK switches, you can get a clear "base" that
sandwiches between the switch and it's back box, complete with two
neons, for this very purpose.
I was going to suggest that (we have one on the first light switch as
you enter the house).

But as a modification, if he's running a neutral to the switch, it
can go between switched line and neutral. A one-wire choccy block
will do the job.
If he just goes across the switch, he won't need to do any
modifications and run in a neutral though - I don't know how hard it
is for him to do that.
Yes, but the modification gives him what he originally wanted - the
neon lit when the switch is ON.


Yes indeed. I *don't* want the neon on when the light is off. I'm pretty
sure I've got two neutrals joined by a choccy connector (or even a crimp
maybe) in the back box - so providing a neutral won't be a problem.

I'd thought of getting a neon from Maplins and mounting it in the
switch, but I'd rather have something which looks as if it's meant to be
there.

I've just ordered one of these from Ebay, which seemed worth a punt for
a couple of quid including postage!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350530562491?
ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648
If that's no good[1], I'll go for one of the switches suggested by
Owain.


[1] There may be a reason why they're selling them off cheap!

I was referring to one of these - which can be fitted to the existing
switch.

http://tinyurl.com/c4vfndf




I don't see what the problem is

Just use a stock switch - unless you need an intermediate or changeover
type it does exactly what is wanted....I've got several here controlling
extractor fans.


http://www.neweysonline.co.uk/newlec...mation.raction

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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:50:16 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

sandwiches between the switch and it's back box, complete with two
neons, for this very purpose.
I was going to suggest that (we have one on the first light switch
as you enter the house).

But as a modification, if he's running a neutral to the switch, it
can go between switched line and neutral. A one-wire choccy block
will do the job.
If he just goes across the switch, he won't need to do any
modifications and run in a neutral though - I don't know how hard it
is for him to do that.
Yes, but the modification gives him what he originally wanted - the
neon lit when the switch is ON.


Yes indeed. I *don't* want the neon on when the light is off. I'm
pretty sure I've got two neutrals joined by a choccy connector (or
even a crimp maybe) in the back box - so providing a neutral won't be
a problem.

I'd thought of getting a neon from Maplins and mounting it in the
switch, but I'd rather have something which looks as if it's meant to
be there.

I've just ordered one of these from Ebay, which seemed worth a punt
for a couple of quid including postage!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350530562491?
ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648
If that's no good[1], I'll go for one of the switches suggested by
Owain.


[1] There may be a reason why they're selling them off cheap!

I was referring to one of these - which can be fitted to the existing
switch.

http://tinyurl.com/c4vfndf




I don't see what the problem is

Just use a stock switch - unless you need an intermediate or changeover
type it does exactly what is wanted....I've got several here controlling
extractor fans.

I know...but he was looking for a possible alternative. The neon-round-
the-edge allows retention of the existing switch, maybe for aesthetic
reasons. Switches with built-in neons tend to be double pole and heavy to
operate.



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Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:50:16 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

sandwiches between the switch and it's back box, complete with two
neons, for this very purpose.
I was going to suggest that (we have one on the first light switch
as you enter the house).

But as a modification, if he's running a neutral to the switch, it
can go between switched line and neutral. A one-wire choccy block
will do the job.
If he just goes across the switch, he won't need to do any
modifications and run in a neutral though - I don't know how hard it
is for him to do that.
Yes, but the modification gives him what he originally wanted - the
neon lit when the switch is ON.


Yes indeed. I *don't* want the neon on when the light is off. I'm
pretty sure I've got two neutrals joined by a choccy connector (or
even a crimp maybe) in the back box - so providing a neutral won't be
a problem.

I'd thought of getting a neon from Maplins and mounting it in the
switch, but I'd rather have something which looks as if it's meant to
be there.

I've just ordered one of these from Ebay, which seemed worth a punt
for a couple of quid including postage!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350530562491?
ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648
If that's no good[1], I'll go for one of the switches suggested by
Owain.


[1] There may be a reason why they're selling them off cheap!
I was referring to one of these - which can be fitted to the existing
switch.

http://tinyurl.com/c4vfndf




I don't see what the problem is

Just use a stock switch - unless you need an intermediate or changeover
type it does exactly what is wanted....I've got several here controlling
extractor fans.

I know...but he was looking for a possible alternative. The neon-round-
the-edge allows retention of the existing switch, maybe for aesthetic
reasons.
All ranges of switches up to an including gold plated brass will have
somewhere a double pole with neon in the range. I have such.

Switches with built-in neons tend to be double pole

yes

and heavy to
operate.

Not in my experience.





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To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

On 05/08/12 13:52, fred wrote:

Similar here from screwfix, with or without 'press' legend:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/arse/52875
http://www.screwfix.com/p/arse/67883

That's a rather dubious URL!

--
Phil
Liverpool, UK

Phil Wieland wrote:

On 05/08/12 13:52, fred wrote:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/arse/52875

That's a rather dubious URL!

Screwfix (and many other websites) pad their URLs out with un-necessary
search engine fodder, you can't omit them, but you can change them for
product URLs starting /p/

http://www.screwfix.com/p/namby-pamb...-shampoo/64980

and category URLs starting /c/

http://www.screwfix.com/c/bloody-exp...runs/cat840642

On 06/08/12 16:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Screwfix (and many other websites) pad their URLs out with un-necessary
search engine fodder, you can't omit them, but you can change them for
product URLs starting /p/

http://www.screwfix.com/p/namby-pamb...-shampoo/64980

and category URLs starting /c/

http://www.screwfix.com/c/bloody-exp...runs/cat840642


Well I never! So you can.

--
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Liverpool, UK

On 06/08/2012 01:35, Arfa Daily wrote:


"David" wrote in message
. uk...
On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but
nothing springs out at me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

I have lights that use a momentary switch in some labs at work,but the
switch is connected to a controller that uses the momentary output to
toggle the state of the light.Other inputs come from PIRs so the
lights go out when the area is unoccupied.

So,yes this type of switch is certainly available.try the MK Grid range


cheers

David


Similar sort of thing here. I have just replaced the shower extractor
fan / light, the original having a motor that wouldn't run any more due
to collapsed bearings. The reason for this is that in its 'standard'
form, the fan is controlled from the lighting switched live. That means
that the fan always runs if the lights are on. The shower room is at the
top of the stairs, and its lights cast a gentle light in the area
through the fanlight over the door, so tend to get left on all evening
until I finally go to bed (usually very late !!) and turn them off. So
I've done a mod to the new one, and designed and built a little
controller that senses when the shower pump motor is drawing current,
and produces a DC voltage to drive a mains-rated relay that I managed to
fit inside the fan run-on controller's casing. This means that the light
on the fixture can just come on normally from the switched live, along
with the other lights in there, and the fan won't run. When the shower
is used, the fan starts, and runs as long as my sensor circuit detects
that the pump is running. When it stops, the relay drops, and the run-on
timer takes over to continue extraction for a few minutes. An added
advantage of this is that in the summer when people take a shower
without putting the lights on, the extraction will still come on.

You can get either fans with humidistats, or standalone humidistats to
do much the same job. ;-)

I want the momentary switch to mount outside the shower room to bridge
the relay contacts. That way, if I want extraction without the shower
running (there's a bog in there as well, so use your imagination ... )
I can just stab the switch, which will start the extractor fan. It will
then run for the run-on time controlled by its own timer. It does all
work exactly as planned, and I have the wire running down the inside of
the airing cupboard which is next to the shower room, so all that's now
needed is to bring it through the wall, and obtain and connect the
switch :-)

Yup, that's handy.


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Cheers,

John.

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On 05/08/2012 21:09, Roger Mills wrote:
On 05/08/2012 16:01, Owain wrote:
On Aug 5, 3:42 pm, Roger wrote:
On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a neon
indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd have to
supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched live].


http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK5423.html
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/AA20DPSW.html

Ta. Either of those would probably do. They both say they have a flex
outlet. I presume that means that there's a knockout in one edge for
bringing a flex out parallel with the wall? But does it also mean that

Usually, or a knockout on the front.

the outlet terminals are of the "wrap wire around a screw" type rather
than the usual hole + grub screw? If so, are they ok for a solid
conductor house-wiring outlet cable rather than a flex?

They are normally "ordinary" terminals IME.

Only thing about 20A plate switches is that they are a heavier action
than normal light switches with a bit more of a "snap".


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John.

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 06/08/2012 01:35, Arfa Daily wrote:


"David" wrote in message
. uk...
On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue, but
nothing springs out at me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

I have lights that use a momentary switch in some labs at work,but the
switch is connected to a controller that uses the momentary output to
toggle the state of the light.Other inputs come from PIRs so the
lights go out when the area is unoccupied.

So,yes this type of switch is certainly available.try the MK Grid range


cheers

David


Similar sort of thing here. I have just replaced the shower extractor
fan / light, the original having a motor that wouldn't run any more due
to collapsed bearings. The reason for this is that in its 'standard'
form, the fan is controlled from the lighting switched live. That means
that the fan always runs if the lights are on. The shower room is at the
top of the stairs, and its lights cast a gentle light in the area
through the fanlight over the door, so tend to get left on all evening
until I finally go to bed (usually very late !!) and turn them off. So
I've done a mod to the new one, and designed and built a little
controller that senses when the shower pump motor is drawing current,
and produces a DC voltage to drive a mains-rated relay that I managed to
fit inside the fan run-on controller's casing. This means that the light
on the fixture can just come on normally from the switched live, along
with the other lights in there, and the fan won't run. When the shower
is used, the fan starts, and runs as long as my sensor circuit detects
that the pump is running. When it stops, the relay drops, and the run-on
timer takes over to continue extraction for a few minutes. An added
advantage of this is that in the summer when people take a shower
without putting the lights on, the extraction will still come on.

You can get either fans with humidistats, or standalone humidistats to do
much the same job. ;-)

Yeah, I know you can, but as the ductwork was already in place, and the
ceiling has a bloody great hole of a specific size in it, I really wanted to
replace like for like, but with an improvement (for me anyway) to the way it
worked. The circuitry to do it was dead easy to design and knock up on a bit
of Veroboard, and it was a fun little project for the weekend. I had all the
parts to hand, so it didn't even cost anything. Do you ever order semicons
from Farnell ? They quite often put them in a nice little black antistatic
plastic box with a hinged lid. They make lovely little enclosures for this
sort of thing :-)

Arfa



I want the momentary switch to mount outside the shower room to bridge
the relay contacts. That way, if I want extraction without the shower
running (there's a bog in there as well, so use your imagination ... )
I can just stab the switch, which will start the extractor fan. It will
then run for the run-on time controlled by its own timer. It does all
work exactly as planned, and I have the wire running down the inside of
the airing cupboard which is next to the shower room, so all that's now
needed is to bring it through the wall, and obtain and connect the
switch :-)

Yup, that's handy.


--
Cheers,

John.

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In article , Phil Wieland
writes
On 06/08/12 16:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Screwfix (and many other websites) pad their URLs out with un-necessary
search engine fodder, you can't omit them, but you can change them for
product URLs starting /p/

http://www.screwfix.com/p/namby-pamb...-shampoo/64980

and category URLs starting /c/

http://www.screwfix.com/c/bloody-exp...runs/cat840642


Well I never! So you can.

I'm not a fan of redundant packing/tracking in URLs so I trim out as
much as I can or make short substitutions. If it takes off, 'arse' may
rise to be the most popular pre purchase search string on Sfx!
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it's a ba-na-na . . . .

On 07/08/2012 02:13, Arfa Daily wrote:


"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 06/08/2012 01:35, Arfa Daily wrote:


"David" wrote in message
. uk...
On 05/08/2012 13:22, Arfa Daily wrote:
Hi all. Has anyone seen / used a 'light' switch that is just momentary
rather than latching like a normal switch ? I'm sure that somewhere in
the dim distant past, I have seen something that looks exactly like a
single gang flat-plate rocker light switch, but is actually spring
loaded back to the 'off' position. Or am I just imagining this in a
senior moment ? I've looked all through the Tool Station catalogue,
but
nothing springs out at me.

Help confirming that they exist, or pointers to one, anyone ??

TIA

Arfa

I have lights that use a momentary switch in some labs at work,but the
switch is connected to a controller that uses the momentary output to
toggle the state of the light.Other inputs come from PIRs so the
lights go out when the area is unoccupied.

So,yes this type of switch is certainly available.try the MK Grid range


cheers

David


Similar sort of thing here. I have just replaced the shower extractor
fan / light, the original having a motor that wouldn't run any more due
to collapsed bearings. The reason for this is that in its 'standard'
form, the fan is controlled from the lighting switched live. That means
that the fan always runs if the lights are on. The shower room is at the
top of the stairs, and its lights cast a gentle light in the area
through the fanlight over the door, so tend to get left on all evening
until I finally go to bed (usually very late !!) and turn them off. So
I've done a mod to the new one, and designed and built a little
controller that senses when the shower pump motor is drawing current,
and produces a DC voltage to drive a mains-rated relay that I managed to
fit inside the fan run-on controller's casing. This means that the light
on the fixture can just come on normally from the switched live, along
with the other lights in there, and the fan won't run. When the shower
is used, the fan starts, and runs as long as my sensor circuit detects
that the pump is running. When it stops, the relay drops, and the run-on
timer takes over to continue extraction for a few minutes. An added
advantage of this is that in the summer when people take a shower
without putting the lights on, the extraction will still come on.

You can get either fans with humidistats, or standalone humidistats to
do much the same job. ;-)

Yeah, I know you can, but as the ductwork was already in place, and the
ceiling has a bloody great hole of a specific size in it, I really
wanted to replace like for like, but with an improvement (for me anyway)

Yup I can see why you would not want to change the fan itself. In these
cases I go for a stanalone humidistat (TLC do one) to drive the existing
fan.

to the way it worked. The circuitry to do it was dead easy to design and
knock up on a bit of Veroboard, and it was a fun little project for the
weekend. I had all the parts to hand, so it didn't even cost anything.

Do you fancy sketching it out? Might be a handy thing to stick on the wiki.

Do you ever order semicons from Farnell ? They quite often put them in a
nice little black antistatic plastic box with a hinged lid. They make
lovely little enclosures for this sort of thing :-)

I usually order from CPC rather than Farnell itself. Alas their
packaging seems less elaborate.


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Owain wrote:
On Aug 7, 2:13 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
Do you ever order semicons
from Farnell ? They quite often put them in a nice little black antistatic
plastic box with a hinged lid. They make lovely little enclosures for this
sort of thing :-)

Would that be a *conductive* plastic anti-static box?


usually yes. Carbon loaded typically.

Owain



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To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

"Owain" wrote in message
...
On Aug 7, 2:13 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
Do you ever order semicons
from Farnell ? They quite often put them in a nice little black
antistatic
plastic box with a hinged lid. They make lovely little enclosures for
this
sort of thing :-)

Would that be a *conductive* plastic anti-static box?

Do people still use conductive antistatic boxes?
Most people stopped using conductive bags years ago and switched to the bags
which are nonconductive on both surfaces.

On Aug 6, 10:22*am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
"Roger Mills" wrote in message

...









On 05/08/2012 23:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:24:36 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 22:51, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:32:04 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 05/08/2012 15:42, Roger Mills wrote:

On a similar subject, I'm looking for a single toggle switch with a
neon indicator which comes on in the ON position. [Obviously, I'd
have to supply it with a neutral as well as a live and switched
live].

I want it for my holiday flat, where the bathroom light switch is
wall-mounted *outside* the bathroom. The light is frequently left on,
and a neon indicator would provide a reminder to turn it off. I know
I can get fused spur switches with indicators, but I don't really
want the fuse.

Any ideas?

Why not simply put a neon across the switch. Okay it'd be on when the
light was off and vice-versa, but that just helps you find the switch
in the dark. For UK switches, you can get a clear "base" that
sandwiches between the switch and it's back box, complete with two
neons, for this very purpose.

I was going to suggest that (we have one on the first light switch as
you enter the house).

But as a modification, if he's running a neutral to the switch, it can
go between switched line and neutral. A one-wire choccy block will do
the job.

If he just goes across the switch, he won't need to do any modifications
and run in a neutral though - I don't know how hard it is for him to do
that.

Yes, but the modification gives him what he originally wanted - the neon
lit when the switch is ON.

Yes indeed. I *don't* want the neon on when the light is off. I'm pretty
sure I've got two neutrals joined by a choccy connector (or even a crimp
maybe) in the back box - so providing a neutral won't be a problem.

I'd thought of getting a neon from Maplins and mounting it in the switch,
but I'd rather have something which looks as if it's meant to be there.

I've just ordered one of these from Ebay, which seemed worth a punt for a
couple of quid including postage!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3505305624...MEWNX:IT&_trks....

If that's no good[1], I'll go for one of the switches suggested by Owain.

On 07/08/2012 14:33, Arfa Daily wrote:


Do you fancy sketching it out? Might be a handy thing to stick on the
wiki.


I'll get on it, scan it, and send it directly to you in the next day or two

That would be nice, thanks.


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Cheers,

John.

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