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MM wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The reason you get a spectacular light show is the very thin foil getting
vaporised by the currents that flow in the foil because its an antenna.

Vaporised foil, anyone? Should add a kind of smokey barbeque flavour to any meal!

Nope, because its got a layer over it, stupid.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:51:27 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

MM wrote
Lieutenant Scott wrote
Andrew Gabriel wrote
Adam Funk wrote

On a related note, is there a good & easy way to destroy data CDs?
The shredders I've come across with CD slots just scratch the
surfaces up a bit rather than break them into bits.

I had a large pile, and didn't like the idea of feeding them
all through the microwave, in case it damaged it.

Does anyone know if you can bust a microwave if there is nothing (or
not much to absorb like water) in it? Will it overheat as there's
several hundred watts of microwaves with nowhere to go but the dummy
load in the magnetron?

Don't worry! These people will just buy another microwave, then
another... and so on... Still, I suppose this group IS d-i-y, so some
people will try anything! From the web:

"The vapors or fumes released from most DVD's and CD's while
microwaving them are TOXIC. Do not do the above unless you have a
spare microwave, as the fumes can attach to the walls of the
microwave, or cling to your food."

Just because some ignorant fool claims something, doesnt make it gospel.

If you zap them for a second or 5 and dont get the plastic even warm, that doesnt happen.

But by recommending this idiotic misuse of quite a high tech piece of
kitchen equipment, you're encouraging the even more foolhardy and they
might well leave a CD in for longer, maybe much longer.

Like I said, in a newsgroup that specialises in DIY you would be the
first to say, use the proper tool for the job, yet here you are,
trying to justify completely the wrong tool for the job, when the
completely right tool is available right now at hundreds of outlets
for under 40 quid.

I know you won't listen, because your kind never do. Not my problem.

MM

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MM wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote

MM has clearly never put a plastic dish in a microwave. In fact it
is likely he knows as little about microwaves as he does about sex.

He is pretty good at wanking tho.

What I do know is that microwave ovens are designed
for heating and cooking food, not destroying CDs.

And they destroy CDs too.

reams of your silly **** flushed where it belongs

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MM wrote
Rod Speed wrote
MM wrote
Lieutenant Scott wrote
Andrew Gabriel wrote
Adam Funk wrote

On a related note, is there a good & easy way to destroy
data CDs? The shredders I've come across with CD slots just
scratch the surfaces up a bit rather than break them into bits.

I had a large pile, and didn't like the idea of feeding them
all through the microwave, in case it damaged it.

Does anyone know if you can bust a microwave if there
is nothing (or not much to absorb like water) in it? Will it
overheat as there's several hundred watts of microwaves
with nowhere to go but the dummy load in the magnetron?

Don't worry! These people will just buy another microwave,
then another... and so on... Still, I suppose this group IS d-i-y,
so some people will try anything! From the web:

"The vapors or fumes released from most DVD's and CD's
while microwaving them are TOXIC. Do not do the above
unless you have a spare microwave, as the fumes can
attach to the walls of the microwave, or cling to your food."

Just because some ignorant fool claims something, doesnt make it gospel.

If you zap them for a second or 5 and dont get the plastic even warm, that doesnt happen.

But by recommending this idiotic misuse of quite a high tech piece of kitchen equipment,

Which you can get for peanuts at yard/garage sales.

you're encouraging the even more foolhardy and they
might well leave a CD in for longer, maybe much longer.

If they are too stupid to even notice the repeated instructions on
how long the CDs should be zapped for, thats their problem, stupid.

Just because someone might actually be stupid enough to try
blasting one of the kids in the face with a power washer, doesnt
mean that I will never suggest one be used to clean the concrete etc.

Like I said, in a newsgroup that specialises in DIY you
would be the first to say, use the proper tool for the job,

It is the proper too for that particular job when almost everyone has one
that will do the job fine and they wont have to spend a cent to do that.

And if you dont want to risk the microwave you use for dinner,
it will cost you peanuts to get another from a yard/garage sale.

yet here you are, trying to justify completely the wrong tool for the job,

You can repeat that pig ignorant lie till you are
blue in the face if you like, dhanges nothing.

when the completely right tool is available right
now at hundreds of outlets for under 40 quid.

And you can get what works even better from yard/garage sales for half
that if you are stupid enough to not want to use the one you use for dinner.

I know you won't listen, because your kind never do. Not my problem.

Not our problem that you are too stupid to use a microwave oven.

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In article op.wbjntyztytk5n5@i7-940,
"Lieutenant Scott" writes:
On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:41:07 -0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
Adam Funk writes:
On a related note, is there a good & easy way to destroy data CDs?
The shredders I've come across with CD slots just scratch the surfaces
up a bit rather than break them into bits.

I had a large pile, and didn't like the idea of feeding them
all through the microwave, in case it damaged it.

Does anyone know if you can bust a microwave if there is nothing (or not much to absorb like water) in it? Will it overheat as there's several hundred watts of microwaves with nowhere to go but the dummy load in the magnetron?


The amplitude of the standing wave will rapidly increase until
the air breaks down and you get arcing somewhere in the oven.

I know two people who quickly wrecked their ovens by doing
this - no more heating. I guess the magnetron was wrecked, but
I don't know the mechanism that kills it when this happens.

I might speculate that the large standing wave could kill the
self oscillation in the magnetron, in which case its power
output as heat (instead of microwaves) could increase by a
factor of 3, and that might rapidly melt some of its innards,
which are shaped into tuned cavities. Just guessing though.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

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MM wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:38:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

The reason you get a spectacular light show is the very thin foil getting
vaporised by the currents that flow in the foil because its an antenna.

Vaporised foil, anyone? Should add a kind of smokey barbeque flavour
to any meal!

MM
it would if the vaporisation was not entirely contained inside the plastic.


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

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MM wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:54:37 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

MM has clearly never put a plastic dish in a microwave. In fact it is
likely he knows as little about microwaves as he does about sex.

What I do know

well lawks a mercy!

is that microwave ovens are designed for heating and
cooking food, not destroying CDs. This is something that you do not
appear to know.


Actual;ly they are designed to sell. The fact that they heat things is
simply a way of selling them.


Maybe you've tried mixing paint on that funny turntable inside? Or
used it as a lazy Susan when the other girls pop in for cakes and a
cuppa? Or drying out your pants when they, er, get a little damp?


All of the above. I've even done such sacrilegious things as carrying
cement in a car designed to carry people! Reading a book in a room
designed for sleeping!

I think when I die the baby jesus is going to have to tell me off awfully!


MM


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

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MM wrote:

I think MM gets the TNP prize for the most utterly blatant and idiotic
non sequitur of the week, used to defend a rapidly vanishing position of
incoherent trollery.


But by recommending this idiotic misuse of quite a high tech piece of
kitchen equipment, you're encouraging the even more foolhardy

How is that misuse?
Hi tech? Really?
Why should they? What possible connection is there?

and they
might well leave a CD in for longer, maybe much longer.

And they might go for a wank in a multi storey car park.

Your point being?



--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article op.wbjntyztytk5n5@i7-940,
"Lieutenant Scott" writes:
On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:41:07 -0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
Adam Funk writes:
On a related note, is there a good & easy way to destroy data CDs?
The shredders I've come across with CD slots just scratch the surfaces
up a bit rather than break them into bits.
I had a large pile, and didn't like the idea of feeding them
all through the microwave, in case it damaged it.
Does anyone know if you can bust a microwave if there is nothing (or not much to absorb like water) in it? Will it overheat as there's several hundred watts of microwaves with nowhere to go but the dummy load in the magnetron?


The amplitude of the standing wave will rapidly increase until
the air breaks down and you get arcing somewhere in the oven.

I know two people who quickly wrecked their ovens by doing
this - no more heating. I guess the magnetron was wrecked, but
I don't know the mechanism that kills it when this happens.


I do it all the time: None of that happens. I am always taking the food
out before the timer finishes and then shutting the door on an empty
microwave. Nothig happens, nor is there a warning not to do it.

I therefore conclude that the waveguides and magnetrons are desinged not
to draw power when the effective endpoint load is a pure reflection. It
can be done although I forget how.

But IIRC the actual 'anode current' (as it were ) of the magnetron will
very according to whether or not its matched into the load properly - if
it isn't, the current drops.




I might speculate that the large standing wave could kill the
self oscillation in the magnetron, in which case its power
output as heat (instead of microwaves) could increase by a
factor of 3, and that might rapidly melt some of its innards,
which are shaped into tuned cavities. Just guessing though.


I am not sure that's how a magnetron behaves... but I was never that
interested in radar and magnetrons and its been a long time..



--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:42:27 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article op.wbjntyztytk5n5@i7-940,
"Lieutenant Scott" writes:
On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:41:07 -0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
Adam Funk writes:
On a related note, is there a good & easy way to destroy data CDs?
The shredders I've come across with CD slots just scratch the surfaces
up a bit rather than break them into bits.
I had a large pile, and didn't like the idea of feeding them
all through the microwave, in case it damaged it.
Does anyone know if you can bust a microwave if there is nothing (or not much to absorb like water) in it? Will it overheat as there's several hundred watts of microwaves with nowhere to go but the dummy load in the magnetron?


The amplitude of the standing wave will rapidly increase until
the air breaks down and you get arcing somewhere in the oven.

I know two people who quickly wrecked their ovens by doing
this - no more heating. I guess the magnetron was wrecked, but
I don't know the mechanism that kills it when this happens.


I do it all the time: None of that happens. I am always taking the food
out before the timer finishes and then shutting the door on an empty
microwave. Nothig happens, nor is there a warning not to do it.

How long have you left it on for though? When I do that I turn it off again within a few seconds. What if you left it on while you ate your dinner?

--
http://petersparrots.com
http://petersphotos.com

Say it with flowers - send her a triffid.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:42:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I do it all the time: None of that happens. I am always taking the food
out before the timer finishes and then shutting the door on an empty
microwave. Nothig happens, nor is there a warning not to do it.

It restarts automatically when the the door closes? Ours doesn't you
have to press START again.

There were certainly warnings on early microwave ovens about not
running them with nothing in them. Perhaps modern ones are more
robust and/or protected?

--
Cheers
Dave.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:38:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

The reason you get a spectacular light show is the very thin foil
getting
vaporised by the currents that flow in the foil because its an antenna.

Vaporised foil, anyone? Should add a kind of smokey barbeque flavour
to any meal!

MM
it would if the vaporisation was not entirely contained inside the
plastic.

Modern CDs don't have two plastic layers, just one. a layer of metal, and
some lacquer.

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dennis@home wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:38:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

The reason you get a spectacular light show is the very thin foil
getting
vaporised by the currents that flow in the foil because its an antenna.

Vaporised foil, anyone? Should add a kind of smokey barbeque flavour
to any meal!

MM
it would if the vaporisation was not entirely contained inside the
plastic.

Modern CDs don't have two plastic layers, just one. a layer of metal,
and some lacquer.

And the lacquer is a spun coated thermosetting *plastic* resin.


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

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On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:50:24 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote
Does anyone know if you can bust a microwave if there is nothing (or not much to absorb like water) in it?

In theory you can, but decent modern designs allow for that.

Corse all bets are off with the cheapest **** from china.

even the cheapest **** from, china has to be essentially protected
against anything a consumer can put in it because at some point a
consumer will..

Will it overheat as there's several hundred watts of microwaves
with nowhere to go but the dummy load in the magnetron?

Normally not.

Not sure if there is no 'load' the magnetron will draw much power at all.

I thought they produced the rated output no matter what.

Doubt itl, where is that energy going to go when the microwave is empty ?

That's the problem. The energy inside the oven will increase until something melts.

The magnetron doesn't know if there is water in the oven or not.

It must be possible to measure what its putting out.

If they bothered putting in safety features.

Then if the microwaves aren't absorbed, they bounce around and come back to the magnetron where they're absorbed by
the ballast or whatever it's called.

Not clear what you mean there.

As I understand it, there is a hole at the side of the oven cavity. Behind that hole is a magnetron that produces microwaves, and next to it something to absorb any microwaves which happen to bounce back in there, so they don't damage the magnetron. There's some kind of T shaped thing between them to direct the microwaves the right way. Now if the ballast can't absorb all the power the magnetron can produce (which would happen if there is no water in the oven to absorb any), then something will catch fire.

--
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 00:36:59 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Lieutenant Scott wrote

He knows less microwave theory than you do, so there ya go.

I know more than you do, thanks.


I am sure you do, about aboriginal girls and outback bars and dunnies,
but we are talking about microwaves.

Rule 3, don't annoy the abbos.

--
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http://petersphotos.com

The true mark of a civilized society is when its citizens know how to hate each other peacefully.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:23:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

MM wrote:

I think MM gets the TNP prize for the most utterly blatant and idiotic
non sequitur of the week, used to defend a rapidly vanishing position of
incoherent trollery.

:-) Maybe he can furnish us with his postal address, and we can send him
a microwaved CD as a trophy.

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Jules Richardson wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:23:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

MM wrote:

I think MM gets the TNP prize for the most utterly blatant and idiotic
non sequitur of the week, used to defend a rapidly vanishing position of
incoherent trollery.

:-) Maybe he can furnish us with his postal address, and we can send him
a microwaved CD as a trophy.

I think he would construe that as attempted murder! ;-)

Tim

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On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:38:38 -0000, dennis@home wrote:



"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
news:op.wbkx9sylytk5n5@i7-940...

I've never heard of a microwave oven catching fire or exploding simply
because the food in it dried out when someone set the timer wrong.


I have.
I had to remove the lady responsible from the flat as it had smoke pouring
from the windows.
It was a cake of some sort that she had put on 20 minutes and then forgotten
she had put it in.
I don't know where the fire started but at least the building survived if
not the microwave.

You don't know where the fire started? So how do you know it was because of her leaving it on empty?

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

And the lacquer is a spun coated thermosetting *plastic* resin.

ITYM its usually UV setting and its really not a plastic layer at all, its
just thick enough to level the disk for the printing.

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"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
news:op.wbmwlomjytk5n5@i7-940...
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:38:38 -0000, dennis@home
wrote:



"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
news:op.wbkx9sylytk5n5@i7-940...

I've never heard of a microwave oven catching fire or exploding simply
because the food in it dried out when someone set the timer wrong.


I have.
I had to remove the lady responsible from the flat as it had smoke
pouring
from the windows.
It was a cake of some sort that she had put on 20 minutes and then
forgotten
she had put it in.
I don't know where the fire started but at least the building survived if
not the microwave.

You don't know where the fire started? So how do you know it was because
of her leaving it on empty?

Where does it say empty?

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:09:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

dennis@home wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:38:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

The reason you get a spectacular light show is the very thin foil
getting
vaporised by the currents that flow in the foil because its an antenna.

Vaporised foil, anyone? Should add a kind of smokey barbeque flavour
to any meal!

MM
it would if the vaporisation was not entirely contained inside the
plastic.

Modern CDs don't have two plastic layers, just one. a layer of metal,
and some lacquer.

And the lacquer is a spun coated thermosetting *plastic* resin.

Especially delicious when hot...

MM

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:19:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:54:37 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

MM has clearly never put a plastic dish in a microwave. In fact it is
likely he knows as little about microwaves as he does about sex.

What I do know

well lawks a mercy!

is that microwave ovens are designed for heating and
cooking food, not destroying CDs. This is something that you do not
appear to know.


Actual;ly they are designed to sell. The fact that they heat things is
simply a way of selling them.

Another way of selling them would be to list on the box, "Can also be
used to destroy unwanted CDs".

Ever seen such inclusion listed?


Maybe you've tried mixing paint on that funny turntable inside? Or
used it as a lazy Susan when the other girls pop in for cakes and a
cuppa? Or drying out your pants when they, er, get a little damp?


All of the above. I've even done such sacrilegious things as carrying
cement in a car designed to carry people! Reading a book in a room
designed for sleeping!

You are not comparing like with like. A car is designed to carry
passengers and personal items, which could be just about anything that
fits inside, providing road safety and safety of occupant(s) is
maintained. Rooms are designed for activity as well as sleeping, in
that you have to walk, hop or skip into the room (crawling would also
work...) in order to assume your sleeping position on whatever surface
you happen to have contrived. Thus, reading a book is one of many
recognised activities in a room, such as eating, fornicating or
picking one's nose (not necessarily in that order), therefore your
analogy fails.

MM

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dennis@home wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

And the lacquer is a spun coated thermosetting *plastic* resin.

ITYM its usually UV setting and its really not a plastic layer at all,
its just thick enough to level the disk for the printing.

Only you dennis would print on the data side of a DVD...sigh..


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

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In message , MM
writes
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:19:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:54:37 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

MM has clearly never put a plastic dish in a microwave. In fact it is
likely he knows as little about microwaves as he does about sex.

What I do know

well lawks a mercy!

is that microwave ovens are designed for heating and
cooking food, not destroying CDs. This is something that you do not
appear to know.


Actual;ly they are designed to sell. The fact that they heat things is
simply a way of selling them.

Another way of selling them would be to list on the box, "Can also be
used to destroy unwanted CDs".

Ever seen such inclusion listed?

OK - blööööde trottel

you say you lived in germany. What is a bottle opener called?
It's called a siebzehner because a seventeen mm spanner is often used as
a substitute. Is that the correct job for the tool? No

Failing that, folk use a cigarette lighter, knife or whatever else
happens to be lying around.Are these the correct toolls for the job or
job for the tool?

NO!

dickhead
--
geoff

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In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

And the lacquer is a spun coated thermosetting *plastic* resin.

ITYM its usually UV setting and its really not a plastic layer at all,
its just thick enough to level the disk for the printing.

Just a minute there denboi

Are you saying that you print on the read/write side of the CD

wenkkah!


--
geoff

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:14:09 -0000, dennis@home wrote:



"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
news:op.wbmwlomjytk5n5@i7-940...
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:38:38 -0000, dennis@home
wrote:



"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
news:op.wbkx9sylytk5n5@i7-940...

I've never heard of a microwave oven catching fire or exploding simply
because the food in it dried out when someone set the timer wrong.


I have.
I had to remove the lady responsible from the flat as it had smoke
pouring
from the windows.
It was a cake of some sort that she had put on 20 minutes and then
forgotten
she had put it in.
I don't know where the fire started but at least the building survived if
not the microwave.

You don't know where the fire started? So how do you know it was because
of her leaving it on empty?

Where does it say empty?

You were replying to my message "simply because the food in it dried out", which is empty as far as the magnetron is concerned.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
dennis@home wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

And the lacquer is a spun coated thermosetting *plastic* resin.

ITYM its usually UV setting and its really not a plastic layer at all,
its just thick enough to level the disk for the printing.

Only you dennis would print on the data side of a DVD...sigh..

So you don't know how CDs are made then!

Hint, the data is on the pressed side.
The laser shines through the pressed side.

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"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

And the lacquer is a spun coated thermosetting *plastic* resin.

ITYM its usually UV setting and its really not a plastic layer at all, its
just thick enough to level the disk for the printing.

Just a minute there denboi

Are you saying that you print on the read/write side of the CD

wenkkah!

You aren't very bright are you geof..

They use a negative blank to press the plastic which means the laser shines
through the pressed plastic.
The other side is lacquered and printed on.

Its all very simple really.


You will find single layer DVDs are the same, but not dual layer.
I will leave the exercise in how they differ to the reader.

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Lieutenant Scott wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Lieutenant Scott wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote

Does anyone know if you can bust a microwave if there is nothing (or not much to absorb like water) in it?

In theory you can, but decent modern designs allow for that.

Corse all bets are off with the cheapest **** from china.

even the cheapest **** from, china has to be essentially protected against anything a consumer can put in it
because at some point a consumer will..

Will it overheat as there's several hundred watts of microwaves
with nowhere to go but the dummy load in the magnetron?

Normally not.

Not sure if there is no 'load' the magnetron will draw much power at all.

I thought they produced the rated output no matter what.

Doubt itl, where is that energy going to go when the microwave is empty ?

That's the problem. The energy inside the oven will increase until something melts.

Not when its designed to cut the power back when it sees it getting
reflected back when there is no effective load with the oven empty.

Thats how its done with modern microwaves.

The magnetron doesn't know if there is water in the oven or not.

It must be possible to measure what its putting out.

If they bothered putting in safety features.

They do, because you can be pretty sure that someone will manage
to do that, even if its just a kid stuffing up heating something up.

Or more strictly, the brand name products do.

Not clear if the cheapest chinese **** does tho.

It obviously depends on how expensive it is to do that.

Not much basically.

Then if the microwaves aren't absorbed, they bounce around and come back to the magnetron where they're absorbed by
the ballast or whatever it's called.

Not clear what you mean there.

As I understand it, there is a hole at the side of the oven cavity. Behind that hole is a magnetron that produces
microwaves,

Yes.

and next to it something to absorb any microwaves which happen to bounce back in there, so they don't damage the
magnetron. There's some kind of T shaped thing between them to direct the microwaves the right way.

I dont believe there is now.

Now if the ballast can't absorb all the power the magnetron can produce (which would happen if there is no water in
the oven to absorb any), then something will catch fire.

So it makes much more sense to measure what gets reflected
and cut back what the magnetron is producing instead.

And thats the way its done.

And it doesnt cost much to do that.

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Lieutenant Scott wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Lieutenant Scott wrote

He knows less microwave theory than you do, so there ya go.

I know more than you do, thanks.

I am sure you do, about aboriginal girls and outback bars and dunnies, but we are talking about microwaves.

Rule 3, don't annoy the abbos.

We have goons with guns that deal with any that get too uppity.

They are called boongs because thats the noise they make
when they bounce off the roo bars on the front of the 4WD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullbar

We dont bother with those wimpy landrovers anymore.

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Tim wrote
Jules Richardson wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
MM wrote:

I think MM gets the TNP prize for the most utterly
blatant and idiotic non sequitur of the week, used to
defend a rapidly vanishing position of incoherent trollery.

:-) Maybe he can furnish us with his postal address,
and we can send him a microwaved CD as a trophy.

I think he would construe that as attempted murder! ;-)

Hopefully he would run snivelling to the cops about it and
eventually they would get so ****ed off with him that they
would beat him to death with their truncheons or something
and claim self defence. And any jury would let them off
scott free and see that they get a medal for doing that.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote
dennis@home wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote

And the lacquer is a spun coated thermosetting *plastic* resin.

ITYM its usually UV setting and its really not a plastic layer at all, its just thick enough to level the disk for
the printing.

Only you dennis would print on the data side of a DVD...sigh..

All the stamped CDs do.

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 14:39:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Not clear if the cheapest chinese **** does tho.

It's all "cheapest Chinese ****" nowadays. Name me one affordable
electrical product that isn't made in China. Even my Stanley corner
clamp is made in China!

MM

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:34:30 +0000, geoff wrote:

In message , MM
writes
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:19:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:54:37 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

MM has clearly never put a plastic dish in a microwave. In fact it is
likely he knows as little about microwaves as he does about sex.

What I do know

well lawks a mercy!

is that microwave ovens are designed for heating and
cooking food, not destroying CDs. This is something that you do not
appear to know.


Actual;ly they are designed to sell. The fact that they heat things is
simply a way of selling them.

Another way of selling them would be to list on the box, "Can also be
used to destroy unwanted CDs".

Ever seen such inclusion listed?

OK - blööööde trottel

you say you lived in germany. What is a bottle opener called?

Flaschenöffner.

Next!

It's called a siebzehner

No, it's not, it's called a Flaschenöffner.

because a seventeen mm spanner is often used as
a substitute. Is that the correct job for the tool? No

That is correct, a 17mm spanner is not the correct tool for opening a
bottle, a Flaschenöffner is. I'm pleased you're taking my tutorials on
board.

Failing that, folk use a cigarette lighter

To open a bottle? Whew! What, you *burn* it off?

, knife or whatever else
happens to be lying around.

For example, a Flaschenöffner.

"Hey, Manfred, what is this tool for?"
"It's for opening bottles."
"D'you think it'd open mine?
"Don't see why not."
"Hey, it WORKS! Crikey, that's bloody clever!"
"Yep, we Germans know a thing or two!"

MM

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MM wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Not clear if the cheapest chinese **** does tho.

It's all "cheapest Chinese ****" nowadays.

Nope. There is a big difference in the price of the name
brand stuff made in china and the cheapest chinese ****.

Name me one affordable electrical product that isn't made in China.

Doesnt make it the CHEAPEST chinese ****, stupid.

Even my Stanley corner clamp is made in China!

Doesnt make it the CHEAPEST chinese ****, stupid.

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 03:39:18 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Lieutenant Scott wrote
Then if the microwaves aren't absorbed, they bounce around and come back to the magnetron where they're absorbed by
the ballast or whatever it's called.

Not clear what you mean there.

As I understand it, there is a hole at the side of the oven cavity. Behind that hole is a magnetron that produces
microwaves,

Yes.

and next to it something to absorb any microwaves which happen to bounce back in there, so they don't damage the
magnetron. There's some kind of T shaped thing between them to direct the microwaves the right way.

I dont believe there is now.

Now if the ballast can't absorb all the power the magnetron can produce (which would happen if there is no water in
the oven to absorb any), then something will catch fire.

So it makes much more sense to measure what gets reflected
and cut back what the magnetron is producing instead.

And thats the way its done.

And it doesnt cost much to do that.

I thought there was always some reflection (the waves that happened to hit the hole before the food), and magnetrons hated even the smallest amount coming back.

--
http://petersparrots.com
http://petersphotos.com

A weekend wasted is not a wasted weekend.

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 03:43:27 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote
Rod Speed wrote


He knows less microwave theory than you do, so there ya go.

I know more than you do, thanks.

I am sure you do, about aboriginal girls and outback bars and dunnies, but we are talking about microwaves.

Rule 3, don't annoy the abbos.

We have goons with guns that deal with any that get too uppity.

They are called boongs because thats the noise they make
when they bounce off the roo bars on the front of the 4WD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullbar

We dont bother with those wimpy landrovers anymore.

Try a http://youtu.be/cDoRmT0iRic

--
http://petersparrots.com
http://petersphotos.com

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

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In message , MM
writes

Another way of selling them would be to list on the box, "Can also be
used to destroy unwanted CDs".

Ever seen such inclusion listed?

OK - blööööde trottel

you say you lived in germany. What is a bottle opener called?

Flaschenöffner.

Z.b.

http://www.ostarrichi.org/woerterbuch.html?wort=1851v


Next!

It's called a siebzehner

No, it's not, it's called a Flaschenöffner.

because a seventeen mm spanner is often used as
a substitute. Is that the correct job for the tool? No

That is correct, a 17mm spanner is not the correct tool for opening a
bottle, a Flaschenöffner is. I'm pleased you're taking my tutorials on
board.

Failing that, folk use a cigarette lighter

To open a bottle? Whew! What, you *burn* it off?

It take it you were chucked out of germany for drinking kriminalwasser

You obviously never fitted in


, knife or whatever else
happens to be lying around.

For example, a Flaschenöffner.

"Hey, Manfred, what is this tool for?"
"It's for opening bottles."
"D'you think it'd open mine?
"Don't see why not."
"Hey, it WORKS! Crikey, that's bloody clever!"
"Yep, we Germans know a thing or two!"

You mean
"has that schwanzkopf Kylex forgotten the bottle opener again?
LMAA - has anybody got a lighter ?"

"
--
geoff

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In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

And the lacquer is a spun coated thermosetting *plastic* resin.

ITYM its usually UV setting and its really not a plastic layer at
all, its just thick enough to level the disk for the printing.

Just a minute there denboi

Are you saying that you print on the read/write side of the CD

wenkkah!

You aren't very bright are you geof..

They use a negative blank to press the plastic which means the laser
shines through the pressed plastic.
The other side is lacquered and printed on.

Dennis, denis, dennis

20 years ago, before you went senile, this might have been true
The foil is sandwiched between two plastic discs

--
geoff

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"geoff" wrote in message
...


Dennis, denis, dennis

20 years ago, before you went senile, this might have been true
The foil is sandwiched between two plastic discs


What's up geof, can't you admit that you are wrong?