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how to prevent fence posts rotting
I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on
fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On Feb 26, 10:19 pm, ss wrote:
I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. bitumen? Jim K |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
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wrote I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. Leave the post standing in a bucket of old engine oil/paraffin for a week. Daily coat the post to "ground level" using an old paint brush When concreting into the ground take the concrete an inch above ground level and taper it for water run off. -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On 26/02/2012 22:25, Jim K wrote:
On Feb 26, 10:19 pm, wrote: I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. bitumen? Jim K Is that painted on with brush? |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On 26/02/2012 10:19 PM, ss wrote:
I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. A) Fill base of hole with a load of stones .. compact, fit post then backfill ... allows water to drain rather collect and be socked up by end of post B) buy pots with vac/pressure treated .. not just dipped. Plus a supplier who does this with high volume of salts. C) create a small holder ( I used 6" plastic drain pipe) .. and have the post ends stand in preservative for at least 48 Hrs. They need to be dry before you put them in to soak. D) .. do I what I did fit concrete H section posts, and fit wood between them, paint with Santdtex in colour to match wood - I mixed my own .. unless you go real close you do not know they are not wood. They will not rot, and also will not blow or over or work loose |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
ss wrote:
I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. Use galvanised steel posts instead. |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On 26/02/2012 22:19, ss wrote:
I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. Use concrete posts. They should last about 70 years. Colin Bignell |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
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ss writes: I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. Yes, you don't want wooden posts going into the ground in the first place, at least, not if you're attaching a large wind sail (a.k.a. a fence panel) to them. 25 years ago, I used fence post sockets, which hold the post above the ground. You could get spiked ones you hammer in, or ones to be concreted in. These have worked extremely well, and the untreated unpainted timber posts are still rock solid. Unfortunately, all the fence post sockets I've seen recently are completely crap in comparison with the ones I bought 25 years ago (Fensock was the make), so I don't know that this is quite as viable now. I tried Metapost, and they just don't grip the posts properly. The Fensock ones have a pair of clamp bolts, and haven't rusted. The Metapost ones are already rusty in the builder's merchant's yard. In addition to the other options mentioned, you might consider the concrete post spurs, which you concrete into the ground with a couple of feet above, and bolt the post to them using coach bolts through the holes. Again, this would probably work by holding the posts above the ground. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On Feb 26, 10:19*pm, ss wrote:
I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. The metal ground spikes are the total solution. Can be a problem to drive in some ground. |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
all I can say is that all the wood posts I have which were in concrete
rotted but the ones a bit longer but put into earth seem not to have done. Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "ss" wrote in message ... I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
"ss" wrote in message ... I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. http://www.postsaver.co.uk/ |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:35:57 -0000, Brian Gaff wrote:
The old creosote was pretty good but these days you seem not to be able to get it. I think you can but not retail. An agricultural suppliers would be the place to look. Wooden post rot at/just above ground level, in the "goldie locks" zone for timber rotting fungus/bacteria. In the ground is generally too wet, 6" above the ground generally too dry, oxygen levels also affect things. Decent pressure treated timber should last reasonably well or *dry* timber where the entire bottom end to 6" above the ground level has been stood in a container of quality wood preservative for the best part of a week. And the rest of the post liberally brushed with presetvative, several times. -- Cheers Dave. |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On 27/02/2012 08:40, neil wrote:
"ss" wrote in message ... I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. http://www.postsaver.co.uk/ Something tells me these will be a waste of money, but by then you won't remember that you used them. I've known people char the bottom of posts but IME nothing makes much difference. As Dave says the problem lies AT ground level, not below ground. |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:52:32 +0000, Rick
wrote: D) .. do I what I did fit concrete H section posts, and fit wood between them, paint with Santdtex in colour to match wood - I mixed my own .. unless you go real close you do not know they are not wood. They will not rot, and also will not blow or over or work loose Or clad them in tanalised rough sawn timber - gravel boards are ideal if a bit wide. Then they look like solid timber. -- |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
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writes I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. At my last house I drilled a 1/4" dia. hole into the posts about 4" above ground level and angled about 45degrees downwards. Each year I squirted 'Cuprinol' into each hole to fill it. Each hole was plugged with a short piece of dowel left protruding by about 1/4". Posts are still there after 30 years. Don't know if that sort of 'Cuprinol ' is still available. -- Chris Holford |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
In message , Chris Holford
writes In article , ss writes I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. At my last house I drilled a 1/4" dia. hole into the posts about 4" above ground level and angled about 45degrees downwards. Each year I squirted 'Cuprinol' into each hole to fill it. Each hole was plugged with a short piece of dowel left protruding by about 1/4". Posts are still there after 30 years. Don't know if that sort of 'Cuprinol ' is still available. When I read this, I thought that, somewhere in 'the works', my post had been edited. Then I realised that I had only saved mine as a draft copy. It's almost word-for-word. This is what I said: "To maintain the effectiveness of the preservation, at about 6" above the ground, drill a (say) 1/2" hole to the centre of the post, and at a downwards angle of 45 degrees. Fill the hole with preservative (as above, or creosote/creocote), and put a watertight bung in it. Every so often, top up the hole." -- Ian |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
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how to prevent fence posts rotting
On 27/02/2012 11:29 AM, The Other Mike wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:52:32 +0000, Rick wrote: D) .. do I what I did fit concrete H section posts, and fit wood between them, paint with Santdtex in colour to match wood - I mixed my own .. unless you go real close you do not know they are not wood. They will not rot, and also will not blow or over or work loose Or clad them in tanalised rough sawn timber - gravel boards are ideal if a bit wide. Then they look like solid timber. I fitted gravel boards .. and then fence on top |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On 27/02/2012 07:27, harry wrote:
On Feb 26, 10:19 pm, wrote: I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. The metal ground spikes are the total solution. +1 Can be a problem to drive in some ground. +1 -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
In article ,
ss wrote: I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. If you want to use wooden posts, then get decent pressure treated ones to start with, and avoid cutting them. I've used http://www.jacksons-fencing.co.uk/tr...t-process.aspx before as they are local but I recoomend them. I know of a couple of their fences that are over 25 years old, have never been retreated and are still fine. I assume similar companies are all over the place - no connection with Jacksons other than being a happy customer! :-) Darren |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On 26/02/2012 23:30, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In addition to the other options mentioned, you might consider the concrete post spurs, which you concrete into the ground with a couple of feet above, and bolt the post to them using coach bolts through the holes. Again, this would probably work by holding the posts above the ground. I use concrete spurs naked, and they work fine. But then we're on sand. Andy -- I mean no concrete around them, not me :p |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:30:35 +0000 (UTC), D.M.Chapman wrote:
I assume similar companies are all over the place - no connection with Jacksons other than being a happy customer! :-) For a price, when I was looking for timber gates Jacksons prices were eye watering. Got all three gates made by a local firm terated and delivered for less than the price of one gate from Jacksons... This was a good few years ago and all the gates are still sound. -- Cheers Dave. |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On Feb 27, 11:06*pm, Andy Champ wrote:
I use concrete spurs naked, and they work fine. Too much information. |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:07:11 +0000, stuart noble wrote:
http://www.postsaver.co.uk/ Something tells me these will be a waste of money, but by then you won't remember that you used them. I've known people char the bottom of posts but IME nothing makes much difference. As Dave says the problem lies AT ground level, not below ground. Can't say I'm convinced either. The sleeve is fitted so the top is well above ground level so the enviroment in the timber might remain too wet by capillary action from the ground and lacking in oxygen. Above the sleeve it can dry out fairly quickly so the Goldilocks Zone might be reduced. -- Cheers Dave. |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On 28/02/2012 13:33, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2012-02-26, Rick wrote: On 26/02/2012 10:19 PM, ss wrote: I know there are all sorts of preservatives in B&Q etc for painting on fence posts but isnt there a longer term solution like coating the part below ground with something to stop water soaking in to the posts, like a plastic coating. I am basing my enquiry on the basis of thinking most of the bog standard preservatives are so enviromentally friendly they probably are not really much good. Any thoughts or ideas on this. A) Fill base of hole with a load of stones .. compact, fit post then backfill ... allows water to drain rather collect and be socked up by end of post Would this work with posts set in Postcrete, or does that stuff set fast enough that it wouldn't get a chance to run into the drainage pocket? IIRC someone who did a lot of this suggested a 6:1 gravel/cement mix, the idea presumably being that it was strong enough to secure the post but could be dug out easily when the post rotted. |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
In article , Adam Funk
writes snip I like this idea because I can retro-fit it to my existing shed. Indeed! I did this to the ends of the 3" square bearers which supported the floor of my old shed. -- Chris Holford |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:30:35 +0000 (UTC), D.M.Chapman wrote: I assume similar companies are all over the place - no connection with Jacksons other than being a happy customer! :-) For a price, when I was looking for timber gates Jacksons prices were eye watering. Got all three gates made by a local firm terated and delivered for less than the price of one gate from Jacksons... Yeah, they aren't cheap. Depends what you are after, and when you order. I found our fence to be reasonable price - compared to local timber yards for decent wood anyway. Never looked at their gates, but have heard elsewhere that they are pricy. I'm sure there are plenty of other places offering similar. I only mentioned Jacksons as an example I know of :-) Darren |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On 28/02/2012 09:04, Mathew Newton wrote:
On Feb 27, 11:06 pm, Andy wrote: I use concrete spurs naked, and they work fine. Too much information. ..... was in the sig. Whoosh! |
how to prevent fence posts rotting
On 2012-02-28, Chris Holford wrote:
In article , Adam Funk writes snip I like this idea because I can retro-fit it to my existing shed. Indeed! I did this to the ends of the 3" square bearers which supported the floor of my old shed. I used pressure-treated posts set in Postcrete, but ever since I built it, I've been thinking that if they ever rot, I'll be in for a lot of work. Now at least I can feel that I'm doing something about it. :-) |
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