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On Jan 20, 6:51*pm, harry wrote:
Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago. They don't get my sympathy. McK. |
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On Jan 20, 8:41*pm, McKevvy wrote:
On Jan 20, 6:51*pm, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago. They don't get my sympathy. Nor mine either! It makes one more sympathetic towards Shariah Law. The Mullahs would chop their bloody hands off. There'd only be need to do it once! |
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On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Gotta sting. WM |
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"harry" wrote in message ... Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Would not want to clear that up |
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In uk.rec.gardening harry wrote:
Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 That's quite impressively messy. Took a while to work out what I was looking at when I could only see the first picture. The horrid thing is, I can now picture what my dad encountered the time he was driving a train on track where a child had been playing and was caught by the third rail. He was off work quite a while after that. Kind of wishing I hadn't thought of that just before bed. |
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:51:46 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Stupid *******s. Nice to see the Nikes survived, though. |
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harry writes: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 ogrish.com used to have lots of these pictures (most very much worse) but the hostname was bought by someone else a few years ago who just switched it to point at their own site, and as far as I know, it was all lost. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:37:10 +0000 (UTC), (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , harry writes: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 ogrish.com used to have lots of these pictures (most very much worse) Worse than dead eh! Reminds me of Blackadders fate - as a fate worse than a fate worse than death. Ought to be a compulsory fate for all these scumbags who are thieving railside signalling kit etc etc. Still, while sheeple go on voting ConDemLab nothing will improve. Fixed that for you. Short of getting Vlad Tepes to sort teh place out, nothing will ever change. -- Tim Watts |
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On 21/01/2012 02:36, mike wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:37:10 +0000 (UTC), (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In , writes: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 ogrish.com used to have lots of these pictures (most very much worse) Worse than dead eh! Reminds me of Blackadders fate - as a fate worse than a fate worse than death. Ought to be a compulsory fate for all these scumbags who are thieving railside signalling kit etc etc. Still, while sheeple go on voting ConDemLib nothing will improve. That works in nicely with the previous post, would there bw a fuss now if that series started? Also can you no longer ask for black or white coffee but straight (whoops even that can be miss-construed) or with cream? -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:53:20 -0000, Moonraker wrote:
That works in nicely with the previous post, would there bw a fuss now if that series started? Also can you no longer ask for black or white coffee but straight (whoops even that can be miss-construed) or with cream? Still get an Americano without offending our cross-pond dwellers? -- Rod |
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Was told a similar tale by an EDF engineer.
The 'thieving ********ie scum' remove the security fences around substations and back a Transit into the enclosure of the transformer. They then lob a bike chain over the three phases aiming to blow the supply fuses. Their next step is to cut and remove the earth cable. Unfortunately - and I don't understand this bit - there can be a high current present in the earth cable even after the fuses have blown. He has attended to one of these 'outages' and found boltcutters with attached fingers next to the cut, but not removed, earth cable. Naturally no tears are shed. R |
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RJS wrote:
Was told a similar tale by an EDF engineer. The 'thieving ********ie scum' remove the security fences around substations and back a Transit into the enclosure of the transformer. They then lob a bike chain over the three phases aiming to blow the supply fuses. Their next step is to cut and remove the earth cable. Unfortunately - and I don't understand this bit - there can be a high current present in the earth cable even after the fuses have blown. You would be surprised at how much capacitance a few miles of cable can have.. He has attended to one of these 'outages' and found boltcutters with attached fingers next to the cut, but not removed, earth cable. Naturally no tears are shed. R |
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On 20/01/2012 23:04, Nigel Oldfield wrote:
On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Gotta sting. Bet it came as a shock. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
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"David in Normandy" wrote in message r... On 20/01/2012 23:04, Nigel Oldfield wrote: On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Gotta sting. Bet it came as a shock. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. An electrifying experience? Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
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On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency services arrived. I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in a warning campaign to deter metal thieves. |
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In message , Steve O
writes On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency services arrived. I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in a warning campaign to deter metal thieves. Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves. This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by Friday. -- Ian |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:49:46 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Steve O writes On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency services arrived. I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in a warning campaign to deter metal thieves. Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves. This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by Friday. See the "Ambridge" thread! -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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In message , Bob Eager
writes On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:49:46 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Steve O writes On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency services arrived. I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in a warning campaign to deter metal thieves. Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves. This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by Friday. See the "Ambridge" thread! It's not in uk.d-i-y and legal.uk, so presumably it's in uk.rec.gardening. -- Ian |
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Steve O writes: On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Judging by the dried foam on his head Remains of their hats and the fire spread, Extent of the plasma arc path across the surface of the ground - a self-sustaining fire is unlikely it looks as if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency services arrived. They will have stood back and watched, until assured by the electric company that the power was off, and attendance at site of electric company personel to test it really is off. I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in a warning campaign to deter metal thieves. They never do, in case someone is offended. You could say the same for car/motorbike crashes, etc. It would probably help significantly if teenagers understood how fragile their bodies are by actually seeing what happens to bodies in a crash before they were allowed to control a vehicle on the road, but that would be politically unacceptable, so they are let loose at a time in their lives where they are under a complete misapprehension of being indestructable. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On 21/01/2012 21:49, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Steve O writes On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency services arrived. I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in a warning campaign to deter metal thieves. Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves. This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by Friday. \I have noticed a lot more power cuts than usual lately, and have been wondering if it due to cable theft |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:22:24 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bob Eager writes On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:49:46 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Steve O writes On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency services arrived. I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in a warning campaign to deter metal thieves. Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves. This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by Friday. See the "Ambridge" thread! It's not in uk.d-i-y and legal.uk, so presumably it's in uk.rec.gardening. Sorry! Got my groups mixed up. It's in uk.telecom.... -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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McKevvy writes: On Jan 20, 6:51*pm, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago. They don't get my sympathy. I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel sorry for them. Of course, I have no way of knowing if they would have taken that chance even if it had been made available to them, or if they would have continued to be a blight on society, or if they've been a blight on society for some time before this. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 -0000, Andrew Gabriel
wrote: In article , McKevvy writes: On Jan 20, 6:51 pm, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago. They don't get my sympathy. I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel sorry for them. Of course, I have no way of knowing if they would have taken that chance even if it had been made available to them, or if they would have continued to be a blight on society, or if they've been a blight on society for some time before this. I am certainly not going to flat out disagree with your humane view. But I do think that people who do things like this completely ignore the danger they pose to the rest of us by their actions. The safety systems that fail. The operations that are interrupted or deferred - and the consequences of that. -- Rod |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:17:03 -0000, Tim Streater
wrote: In article , polygonum wrote: I am certainly not going to flat out disagree with your humane view. But I do think that people who do things like this completely ignore the danger they pose to the rest of us by their actions. I doubt if they ignore them. I doubt if such issues ever enter their minds. Probably right in many cases. -- Rod |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , McKevvy writes: On Jan 20, 6:51*pm, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago. They don't get my sympathy. I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel sorry for them. But their "death sentence" is self-imposed, not dished out by a court. Numerous warning signs tell them of the dangers surrounding electricity poles/pylons, substations and railways. I'm afraid that I don't subscribe to the view that once you've served a sentence you're as clean as the man next door, which effectively "commercialises" crime by giving it a specific "price" as punishment. -- Frank Erskine |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:49:46 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote: Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves. This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by Friday. breathes sigh of relief I was on my chair edge there. |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:49:46 -0000, Ian Jackson
wrote: In message , Steve O writes On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency services arrived. I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in a warning campaign to deter metal thieves. Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves. This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by Friday. How did they broadcast the midweek episodes without power? -- Rod |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:45:35 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , McKevvy writes: On Jan 20, 6:51*pm, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago. They don't get my sympathy. I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel sorry for them. But their "death sentence" is self-imposed, not dished out by a court. Numerous warning signs tell them of the dangers surrounding electricity poles/pylons, substations and railways. I'm afraid that I don't subscribe to the view that once you've served a sentence you're as clean as the man next door, which effectively "commercialises" crime by giving it a specific "price" as punishment. It's cheaper for us than keeping them in prison. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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On 22/01/2012 00:17, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , polygonum wrote: I am certainly not going to flat out disagree with your humane view. But I do think that people who do things like this completely ignore the danger they pose to the rest of us by their actions. I doubt if they ignore them. I doubt if such issues ever enter their minds. They probably weren't bright sparks. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
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On 21/01/2012 22:26, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In , Steve writes: On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Judging by the dried foam on his head Remains of their hats and the fire spread, Extent of the plasma arc path across the surface of the ground - a self-sustaining fire is unlikely it looks as if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency services arrived. They will have stood back and watched, until assured by the electric company that the power was off, and attendance at site of electric company personel to test it really is off. I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in a warning campaign to deter metal thieves. They never do, in case someone is offended. You could say the same for car/motorbike crashes, etc. It would probably help significantly if teenagers understood how fragile their bodies are by actually seeing what happens to bodies in a crash before they were allowed to control a vehicle on the road, but that would be politically unacceptable, so they are let loose at a time in their lives where they are under a complete misapprehension of being indestructable. Every Xmas time around here the local police/fire brigade place terribly smashed up cars on the roundabouts along with suitable 'don't drink & drive' posters. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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En el artículo , Frank
Erskine escribió: But their "death sentence" is self-imposed, not dished out by a court. Numerous warning signs tell them of the dangers surrounding electricity poles/pylons, substations and railways. Agreed. Darwin in action. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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"polygonum" wrote in message news On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:49:46 -0000, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Steve O writes On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency services arrived. I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in a warning campaign to deter metal thieves. Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves. This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by Friday. Were they Amp meters or Volt meters ? |
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Frank Erskine wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , McKevvy writes: On Jan 20, 6:51*pm, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago. They don't get my sympathy. I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel sorry for them. But their "death sentence" is self-imposed, not dished out by a court. Numerous warning signs tell them of the dangers surrounding electricity poles/pylons, substations and railways. But were the signs in 20 different languages, judging by their colour, they might not have been able to read the signs. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , McKevvy writes: On Jan 20, 6:51 pm, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago. They don't get my sympathy. I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So you have never met a Daily Mail reader then? -- Adam |
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Tim Streater wrote: [Snip] I was wondering that myself: Meter: device for measuring something e.g. volts Met foreign unit of length in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too. We changed to the French spelling later - perhaps to make it easier for us to join the EEC? or was it when Concord became Concorde? -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 |
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"charles" wrote in message ... In article , Tim Streater wrote: [Snip] I was wondering that myself: Meter: device for measuring something e.g. volts Met foreign unit of length in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too. We changed to the French spelling later - perhaps to make it easier for us to join the EEC? or was it when Concord became Concorde? -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 WRONG I went to school in the 40's and the 50's. The Meter was the thing which measured the Gas or Electric used. (Some took the Penny or the Shilling) The Metre was the unit of measure. Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
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writes In article , Tim Streater wrote: [Snip] I was wondering that myself: Meter: device for measuring something e.g. volts Met foreign unit of length in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too. We changed to the French spelling later - perhaps to make it easier for us to join the EEC? or was it when Concord became Concorde? Ecksully, I never EVER make the mistake I just made! What is needed is an intelligent spool choker which, when presented with words which have alternative spellings, asks "Do you really want to spell it this way?" Is there such a thing? BTW, even though I was brought up with bushels and pecks, and rods, poles, perches, chains and furlongs, I have no recollection of us ever spelling the 39.37" metre as 'meter'. -- Ian |
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