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Over a grand to move the electric meter!
Was talking to a mate of mine who is having his electric meter moved
from one room to the next and they've quoted over a grand for the job - this is British Gas apparently who also do electrics. So what is involved in extending the incoming main by about three metres? Three metres of tails and some sort of Henley block I'm guessing. No complications with the routing, just drill through the wall. I'd do this sort of job myself, legal or not, when they monopolise the work to the extent that a job that involves about forty quid in parts, if that, becomes a one-grand plus quote. Made my blood boil and it isn't even my money! What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
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Over a grand to move the electric meter!
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Over a grand to move the electric meter!
clangers wrote:
What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from. To comply with your electricity supply contract who-ever moves your meter must: - cut the sealed links and remove the incoming supply head fuse * NOTE - THIS MUST NEVER BE DONE IF THE INCOMING SUPPLY * HEAD IS A CERAMIC FUSE HOLDER AS IT WILL FALL TO PIECES. * STOP AT THIS POINT AND BOOK A SUPPLY HEAD REPLACEMENT. - disconnect supply tails from the supply head - cut the sealed links from the meter - disconnect the supply tails from the meter - move the meter to its required new position - connect the supply head to the meter with continuous, unbroken lengths of supply tails of required CSA for the installation (usually 25mm^2, though some are 16mm^2) - replace the incoming supply head fuse - replace the sealed links JGH |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
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Over a grand to move the electric meter!
jgharston wrote:
* NOTE - THIS MUST NEVER BE DONE IF THE INCOMING SUPPLY * HEAD IS A CERAMIC FUSE HOLDER AS IT WILL FALL TO PIECES. * STOP AT THIS POINT AND BOOK A SUPPLY HEAD REPLACEMENT. Where do you get that idea from? I did a rewire last week with the oldest Incomer I have ever seen, big cast iron case, all ceramic inside. The meter had been replaced less than a year ago. Inside, the cut out was in perfect condition, complete with fuseholders for 3 fuses, with the neutral bypassed, only the Line being fused now. The house was built in 1931, so it may have been from then. Alan. -- To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'. |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
jgharston wrote:
clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from. To comply with your electricity supply contract who-ever moves your meter "must": "Should" may be a better word. -- Adam |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On 30/10/2011 18:18, jgharston wrote:
clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from... Although a couple of nails driven into the cable is probably a more common way of doing it. Colin Bignell |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:57:29 +0000, Nightjar
wrote: On 30/10/2011 18:18, jgharston wrote: clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from... Although a couple of nails driven into the cable is probably a more common way of doing it. For a moment I thought we were back in the 'voltage detectors' thread. Nick |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
In message , Nightjar
writes On 30/10/2011 18:18, jgharston wrote: clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from... Although a couple of nails driven into the cable is probably a more common way of doing it. Colin Bignell I came across a pirate radio transmitter a few years ago where they had screwed self tapping screws into the meter tails and then used croc' clips to attach to them. This was in an external meter box at a radio site on top of a hill and was left open to the weather. Why does Darwin's law always fail to provide at these moments? -- Bill |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
Nightjar wrote:
On 30/10/2011 18:18, jgharston wrote: clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from... Although a couple of nails driven into the cable is probably a more common way of doing it. Line taps. -- Adam |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On 30/10/2011 21:51, ARWadsworth wrote:
Nightjar wrote: On 30/10/2011 18:18, jgharston wrote: clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from... Although a couple of nails driven into the cable is probably a more common way of doing it. Line taps. Only if the people who steal electricity have become a lot more sophisticated since I was in the industry. Colin Bignell |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
In article
, wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? My meter was moved at some time from the cellar to the top of the cellar stairs. They used SWA cable from the riser to the meter. -- *Work is for people who don't know how to fish. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
A.Lee wrote:
jgharston wrote: * NOTE - THIS MUST NEVER BE DONE IF THE INCOMING SUPPLY * HEAD IS A CERAMIC FUSE HOLDER AS IT WILL FALL TO PIECES. * STOP AT THIS POINT AND BOOK A SUPPLY HEAD REPLACEMENT. Where do you get that idea from? Big yellow warning text at: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...ndent_supply_2 plus Electrical Installation lectures 20-ish years ago, plus confirmatory advice from a former YEB supply installer, plus confirmatory advice from a current NELD supply installer when he was installing a supplu next door. JGH |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
In article , Bill
scribeth thus In message , Nightjar writes On 30/10/2011 18:18, jgharston wrote: clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from... Although a couple of nails driven into the cable is probably a more common way of doing it. Colin Bignell I came across a pirate radio transmitter a few years ago where they had screwed self tapping screws into the meter tails and then used croc' clips to attach to them. This was in an external meter box at a radio site on top of a hill and was left open to the weather. Why does Darwin's law always fail to provide at these moments? Thats sort of operation is about par for the course these days they are in it for the money and it can be rather sizeable. Nicking someone's rooftop and electricity are the norm sadly... Ofcom seem to have lost control of them.. -- Tony Sayer |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
In message , tony sayer
writes In article , Bill scribeth thus In message , Nightjar writes On 30/10/2011 18:18, jgharston wrote: clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from... Although a couple of nails driven into the cable is probably a more common way of doing it. Colin Bignell I came across a pirate radio transmitter a few years ago where they had screwed self tapping screws into the meter tails and then used croc' clips to attach to them. This was in an external meter box at a radio site on top of a hill and was left open to the weather. Why does Darwin's law always fail to provide at these moments? Thats sort of operation is about par for the course these days they are in it for the money and it can be rather sizeable. Nicking someone's rooftop and electricity are the norm sadly... Ofcom seem to have lost control of them.. This particular one had his TX taken 3 times and on the last raid his studio too. Strange thing is that I recently helped some one who seemed very familiar to set up a legal community station :-) -- Bill |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:28:48 -0000, ARWadsworth wrote:
jgharston wrote: clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from. To comply with your electricity supply contract who-ever moves your meter "must": "Should" may be a better word. Indeed. Without red tape, everything is 10 times easier and 10 times cheaper. It's why the UK is so far behind. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com Drugs lead nowhere, but it's the scenic route. |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
wrote in message ... Was talking to a mate of mine who is having his electric meter moved from one room to the next and they've quoted over a grand for the job - this is British Gas apparently who also do electrics. snip One question nobody seems to have asked. Do you have to use your current retail supplier of electricity to do this, or can a qualified 3rd party (or other electricity supplier) do the work? -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
This business of no places where unmetered current can be taken from is a
bit of a joke, after all, anyone mad enough to try this will not be swayed by insulation in any case. Its almost like presuming guilt though, don't you think? Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? My meter was moved at some time from the cellar to the top of the cellar stairs. They used SWA cable from the riser to the meter. -- *Work is for people who don't know how to fish. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:19:06 -0000, David WE Roberts wrote:
Was talking to a mate of mine who is having his electric meter moved from one room to the next and they've quoted over a grand for the job - this is British Gas apparently who also do electrics. One question nobody seems to have asked. Do you have to use your current retail supplier of electricity to do this, or can a qualified 3rd party (or other electricity supplier) do the work? AIUI meters and supply head have to be done by their respective owners. There are now effectivetly two demarcation points in an electricity supply. The DNO has the incoming line up to and including the main cutout. Who ever you buy your electricity from does from the cutout to the outlet terminals of the meter. After that any "competent person" can do the work. I'm half in the process of trying to get our supply head and meters shifted but Electricty North West (aka NORWEB) are a right pain to deal with. The meters could go in a box outside but said box is on the back of the property behind two gates. Apparently meters these days can only be on the side or front and not behind any gates... We would really like some one with authority from ENW to come out look at the situation and say no you can't do that but you could do this. Will they send some one out nope, you have to fill in the form, send in plans, etc etc first. They will then quote (from the plans) which you have to accept before they *might* send someone to actually look at what is proposed. Or they might just send the engineers who suck teeth say "can't do that squire" and depart. Bear in mind the ENW are just the DNO, they will only move the supply head and cut out. One has to also co-ordinate with the people we actually buy the lecky from to get the meters shifted... -- Cheers Dave. |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:19:06 -0000, "David WE Roberts"
wrote: wrote in message ... Was talking to a mate of mine who is having his electric meter moved from one room to the next and they've quoted over a grand for the job - this is British Gas apparently who also do electrics. snip One question nobody seems to have asked. Do you have to use your current retail supplier of electricity to do this, or can a qualified 3rd party (or other electricity supplier) do the work? It's the 'local' distribution network operator who does the work, who will almost certainly not be your supplier the way the industry has fragmented. I can't recall OFGEM opening up this area of work to anyone else. -- |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:18:34 -0700, jgharston wrote:
clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from. Why can't they solder/weld (I'm not sure that soldering is still the right term given the size of the cables!) with a sleeve over the top (and put it in a box if they're worried about mechanical strain relief - but the point is it would end up as a solid joint)? Surely that would be no more and no less tamper-proof than the actual cables either side of the join? |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
Jules Richardson wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:18:34 -0700, jgharston wrote: clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from. Why can't they solder/weld (I'm not sure that soldering is still the right term given the size of the cables!) with a sleeve over the top (and put it in a box if they're worried about mechanical strain relief - but the point is it would end up as a solid joint)? Surely that would be no more and no less tamper-proof than the actual cables either side of the join? They used to solder massive cores in the street[1] - I believe they usually crimp them these days. Can you believe the soldering involved pouring molten solder from a ladle over the cable and ferrule and catching the runoff in another ladle - all while the cable, and ladles were live whilst sitting on a rubber mat... -- Tim Watts |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
They used to solder massive cores in the street[1] - I believe they usually crimp them these days. Can you believe the soldering involved pouring molten solder from a ladle over the cable and ferrule and catching the runoff in another ladle - all while the cable, and ladles were live whilst sitting on a rubber mat... Yep.. Seen 'em do it albeit sometime ago now:!.. -- Tony Sayer |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
In article , Tim Watts
wrote: Jules Richardson wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:18:34 -0700, jgharston wrote: clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from. Why can't they solder/weld (I'm not sure that soldering is still the right term given the size of the cables!) with a sleeve over the top (and put it in a box if they're worried about mechanical strain relief - but the point is it would end up as a solid joint)? Surely that would be no more and no less tamper-proof than the actual cables either side of the join? They used to solder massive cores in the street[1] - I believe they usually crimp them these days. Can you believe the soldering involved pouring molten solder from a ladle over the cable and ferrule and catching the runoff in another ladle - all while the cable, and ladles were live whilst sitting on a rubber mat... it was called "jointing". I watched them do it in the late '50s. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
ARWadsworth wrote:
To comply with your electricity supply contract who-ever moves your meter "must": "Should" may be a better word. That's why I put it in quotation marks, because, of course I'm not going to suggest in a public forum that somebody does this work themselves in a safe and controlled manner without informing the distribution company and getting their permission or getting them to do it instead :) :) :) :) JGH |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
Nightjar wrote:
On 30/10/2011 21:51, ARWadsworth wrote: Nightjar wrote: On 30/10/2011 18:18, jgharston wrote: clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from... Although a couple of nails driven into the cable is probably a more common way of doing it. Line taps. Only if the people who steal electricity have become a lot more sophisticated since I was in the industry. They are. -- Adam |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On Oct 31, 10:59*am, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:19:06 -0000, David WE Roberts wrote: Was talking to a mate of mine who is having his electric meter moved from one room to the next and they've quoted over a grand for the job - this is British Gas apparently who also do electrics. One question nobody seems to have asked. Do you have to use your current retail supplier of electricity to do this, or can a qualified 3rd party (or other electricity supplier) do the work? AIUI meters and supply head have to be done by their respective owners. Not the case We had ours moved by EDF who are our DNO but they said any Lloyds registered company can move heads. The only problem is that EDF have a universal service obligation to do this and the other companies do not cost to move up to 10 meters just over a grand. Meter company did not charge The It turned an integral garage into a proper bedroom and was worth every penny. It was jointed to the lead sheathed incomer under our block paved drive which they dug but I had to fill and the engineers said they did 4 a day. However if the job had gone wroing they would I expect bring a genny for temp power I met a few clowns who said thet they knew a man who would come in his lunch hour for a few hundred quid cash and do the job but I like to get things done by the book so I declined |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On 31/10/2011 17:28, ARWadsworth wrote:
Nightjar wrote: On 30/10/2011 21:51, ARWadsworth wrote: Nightjar wrote: On 30/10/2011 18:18, jgharston wrote: clangers wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? It must be a single continuous cable, no Henley blocks or similar as they are points where unmetered electricity can be taken from... Although a couple of nails driven into the cable is probably a more common way of doing it. Line taps. Only if the people who steal electricity have become a lot more sophisticated since I was in the industry. They are. The cleverest we got was a chap who dug two quite small holes in the party wall and drove 6 inch nails through them into the meter tails belonging to his next door neighbour. Unfortunately for him, he hit the ones coming out of the meter and the neighbour called us in to investigate why his meter readings were suddenly a lot higher. Even so, it took a keen-eyed engineer to spot it. Colin Bignell |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
Nightjar wrote:
Only if the people who steal electricity have become a lot more sophisticated since I was in the industry. They are. The cleverest we got was a chap who dug two quite small holes in the party wall and drove 6 inch nails through them into the meter tails belonging to his next door neighbour. Unfortunately for him, he hit the ones coming out of the meter and the neighbour called us in to investigate why his meter readings were suddenly a lot higher. Even so, it took a keen-eyed engineer to spot it. I know engineers that will fit a new unmetered supply to a house for £200 if you dig the hole ready for the new connection. They turn up with YEDL signed van (yes a works van not a copy) and they do the connection on their dinner break Not bad for 1 hours work. -- Adam |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On Oct 31, 7:55*pm, "ARWadsworth"
wrote: Nightjar wrote: Only if the people who steal electricity have become a lot more sophisticated since I was in the industry. They are. The cleverest we got was a chap who dug two quite small holes in the party wall and drove 6 inch nails through them into the meter tails belonging to his next door neighbour. Unfortunately for him, he hit the ones coming out of the meter and the neighbour called us in to investigate why his meter readings were suddenly a lot higher. Even so, it took a keen-eyed engineer to spot it. I know engineers that will fit a new unmetered supply to a house for 200 if you dig the hole ready for the new connection. They turn up with YEDL signed van (yes a works van not a copy) and they do the connection on their dinner break Not bad for 1 hours work. -- Adam wonder if they collect the £200 then dob em in a collect some kind of reward ? Martin |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
Martin Warby wrote:
On Oct 31, 7:55 pm, "ARWadsworth" wrote: Nightjar wrote: Only if the people who steal electricity have become a lot more sophisticated since I was in the industry. They are. The cleverest we got was a chap who dug two quite small holes in the party wall and drove 6 inch nails through them into the meter tails belonging to his next door neighbour. Unfortunately for him, he hit the ones coming out of the meter and the neighbour called us in to investigate why his meter readings were suddenly a lot higher. Even so, it took a keen-eyed engineer to spot it. I know engineers that will fit a new unmetered supply to a house for 200 if you dig the hole ready for the new connection. They turn up with YEDL signed van (yes a works van not a copy) and they do the connection on their dinner break Not bad for 1 hours work. -- Adam wonder if they collect the £200 then dob em in a collect some kind of reward ? Well that is a good way of not getting repeat business. -- Adam |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:56:33 -0000, ARWadsworth
wrote: Martin Warby wrote: Well that is a good way of not getting repeat business. But how many times would you need to get an unmetered supply installed? -- Rod |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
polygonum wrote:
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:56:33 -0000, ARWadsworth wrote: Martin Warby wrote: Well that is a good way of not getting repeat business. But how many times would you need to get an unmetered supply installed? Everytime you move? -- Adam |
Over a grand to move the electric meter!
On Oct 30, 11:54*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , * wrote: What is the accepted way to extend the incoming main? Henley blocks or something more substantial? My meter was moved at some time from the cellar to the top of the cellar stairs. They used SWA cable from the riser to the meter. -- *Work is for people who don't know how to fish. * * Dave Plowman * * * * * * * * London SW * * * * * * * * * To e-mail, change noise into sound. Hi, My meter was moved from ground floor to the attic room due to some space constraints. They used SWA cable for mine too. Hope this helps. -John |
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