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New-to-me ex-council house that the previous owner sort of got halfway
round to modernising.

First job, get the services connected......

Then find a friendly central heating sorter-outerer, as it's got Hock,
ptooey a combo boiler.

Structurally sound, but tatty, is the best description. There's about
half a wet room in there, too.

Now, where's the toolbox? I know where the Workmate is. It's in the
storage locker, and will be for at least another day or two.

"Before" pictures are currently in the camera.

--
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John.

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In article , John Williamson
writes
New-to-me ex-council house that the previous owner sort of got halfway
round to modernising.

First job, get the services connected......

Then find a friendly central heating sorter-outerer, as it's got Hock,
ptooey a combo boiler.

Well, you could keep it and just use it as a system boiler, that is one
you've installed an indirect cylinder and gubbins.
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fred wrote:
In article , John Williamson
First job, get the services connected......

Then find a friendly central heating sorter-outerer, as it's got Hock,
ptooey a combo boiler.

Well, you could keep it and just use it as a system boiler, that is one
you've installed an indirect cylinder and gubbins.

I'll look into that. I need to chat with a plumber anyway, and as the
system's been drained......

I may just decide to inatall an electric shower and electric heater for
the sink anyway. I suspect it'll be outside the budget to put a tank and
immersion heater back in. I only normally use hot water for one shower
and one washing up session per day. That's when I'm at home, which is
about 120 days per year.

--
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John.

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John Williamson wrote:

"Before" pictures are currently in the camera.

I am looking forward to them.

--
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fred wrote:
In article , John Williamson
writes
New-to-me ex-council house that the previous owner sort of got halfway
round to modernising.

First job, get the services connected......

Then find a friendly central heating sorter-outerer, as it's got Hock,
ptooey a combo boiler.

Well, you could keep it and just use it as a system boiler, that is one
you've installed an indirect cylinder and gubbins.

Nah. too much power output usually. Not efficient on trickle heating.

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John Williamson wrote:
fred wrote:
In article , John Williamson
First job, get the services connected......

Then find a friendly central heating sorter-outerer, as it's got Hock,
ptooey a combo boiler.

Well, you could keep it and just use it as a system boiler, that is
one you've installed an indirect cylinder and gubbins.

I'll look into that. I need to chat with a plumber anyway, and as the
system's been drained......

I may just decide to inatall an electric shower and electric heater for
the sink anyway. I suspect it'll be outside the budget to put a tank and
immersion heater back in. I only normally use hot water for one shower
and one washing up session per day. That's when I'm at home, which is
about 120 days per year.

honestly, pressure tank+ immersion on a timer or boiler on a timer is
all you need. If you are out a lot just switch the lot off most of the
time. If the house is reasonably well insulate d and low ass inside the
insulation, it will warm up quickly.

The cost of pumps, wiring, etc gets yo nearly up to the cost of a
pressure tank anyway.

And a pressure tank can go almost anywhere.

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On Aug 15, 8:36*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
John Williamson wrote:
fred wrote:
In article , John Williamson
First job, get the services connected......

Then find a friendly central heating sorter-outerer, as it's got Hock,
ptooey a combo boiler.

Well, you could keep it and just use it as a system boiler, that is
one you've installed an indirect cylinder and gubbins.

I'll look into that. I need to chat with a plumber anyway, and as the
system's been drained......

I may just decide to inatall an electric shower and electric heater for
the sink anyway. I suspect it'll be outside the budget to put a tank and
immersion heater back in. I only normally use hot water for one shower
and one washing up session per day. That's when I'm at home, which is
about 120 days per year.

honestly, pressure tank+ immersion on a timer or boiler on a timer is
all you need. If you are out a lot just switch the lot off most of the
time. If the house is reasonably well insulate d and low ass inside the
insulation, it will warm up quickly.

The cost of pumps, wiring, etc gets yo nearly up to the cost of a
pressure tank anyway.

And a pressure tank can go almost anywhere.

Low ass? I learn something new every day. What's that supposed to say?


NT

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NT wrote:
On Aug 15, 8:36 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
John Williamson wrote:
fred wrote:
In article , John Williamson
First job, get the services connected......
Then find a friendly central heating sorter-outerer, as it's got Hock,
ptooey a combo boiler.
Well, you could keep it and just use it as a system boiler, that is
one you've installed an indirect cylinder and gubbins.
I'll look into that. I need to chat with a plumber anyway, and as the
system's been drained......
I may just decide to inatall an electric shower and electric heater for
the sink anyway. I suspect it'll be outside the budget to put a tank and
immersion heater back in. I only normally use hot water for one shower
and one washing up session per day. That's when I'm at home, which is
about 120 days per year.
honestly, pressure tank+ immersion on a timer or boiler on a timer is
all you need. If you are out a lot just switch the lot off most of the
time. If the house is reasonably well insulate d and low ass inside the
insulation, it will warm up quickly.

The cost of pumps, wiring, etc gets yo nearly up to the cost of a
pressure tank anyway.

And a pressure tank can go almost anywhere.

Low ass? I learn something new every day. What's that supposed to say?


low mass. Muy bad


NT

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On Aug 15, 8:03*pm, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:
John Williamson wrote:
"Before" pictures are currently in the camera.

I am looking forward to them.

--
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Does that include the low (slung) asses ?

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On 15/08/2011 19:41, John Williamson wrote:
I may just decide to inatall an electric shower

Hock, ptooey

Never liked them. Slow flow rate in winter, short life, limits on the
number of flow rates...

Andy

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On 15/08/2011 19:41, John Williamson wrote:
fred wrote:
In article , John Williamson
First job, get the services connected......

Then find a friendly central heating sorter-outerer, as it's got Hock,
ptooey a combo boiler.

Well, you could keep it and just use it as a system boiler, that is
one you've installed an indirect cylinder and gubbins.

I'll look into that. I need to chat with a plumber anyway, and as the
system's been drained......

I may just decide to inatall an electric shower and electric heater for
the sink anyway. I suspect it'll be outside the budget to put a tank and
immersion heater back in. I only normally use hot water for one shower
and one washing up session per day. That's when I'm at home, which is
about 120 days per year.

Sounds like a combi is the ideal boiler for your pattern of use ;-)
Adding an unvented cylinder will probably cost at lest £500 for no real
benefit. Converting to gravity will just make your showers crap, and
involve a greater risk of flooding while the place is unoccupied.


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On 15/08/2011 21:25, Andy Champ wrote:
On 15/08/2011 19:41, John Williamson wrote:
I may just decide to inatall an electric shower

Hock, ptooey

Never liked them. Slow flow rate in winter, short life, limits on the
number of flow rates...

For a single shower, flow rate is hardly a problem...

They are not a universal panacea as some might claim, but horses for
courses.

(first one I lived with was 24 years old and still working when the
place was sold).

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John.

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On Aug 15, 8:49*pm, robgraham wrote:
On Aug 15, 8:03*pm, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:

John Williamson wrote:
"Before" pictures are currently in the camera.

I am looking forward to them.

Does that include the low (slung) asses ?

builder's bum? Please omit those.


NT

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On 16/08/2011 01:18, John Rumm wrote:
On 15/08/2011 21:25, Andy Champ wrote:
On 15/08/2011 19:41, John Williamson wrote:
I may just decide to inatall an electric shower

Hock, ptooey

Never liked them. Slow flow rate in winter, short life, limits on the
number of flow rates...

For a single shower, flow rate is hardly a problem...

They are not a universal panacea as some might claim, but horses for
courses.

(first one I lived with was 24 years old and still working when the
place was sold).


Electric showers that I'm thinking of are the instant ones - stuff 10kW
up them, and when it's cold and you want a nice hot shower in winter
it... trickles. And they usually have two speeds, big trickle or small
trickle. Or you can have decent flow if you don't mind tepid. We're
pumped from a tank.

Andy

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ARWadsworth wrote:
John Williamson wrote:

"Before" pictures are currently in the camera.

I am looking forward to them.

Your wish is (eventually) my command.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1633050...7627450194864/

The set is public, as are my other pictures on Flickr, so you shouldn't
need to log in.

In the junk, I found a rather posh coffee maker and a tile splitter, as
well as a pasting table. That's going to see a lot of use in the future,
as someone who seems to be colour blind has painted over the (textured)
wallpaper.

The "light bar" in the living room is on the list for tomorrow, along
with moving a load of stuff from storage to the house. And the new
cooker, and sorting out the plumbing. There's no water or gas on yet,
though now I've sorted the problems in the pictures out, I'm reasonable
happy with the electrics.

Not a bad buy, all things considered.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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On 16/08/2011 20:40, Andy Champ wrote:
On 16/08/2011 01:18, John Rumm wrote:
On 15/08/2011 21:25, Andy Champ wrote:
On 15/08/2011 19:41, John Williamson wrote:
I may just decide to inatall an electric shower

Hock, ptooey

Never liked them. Slow flow rate in winter, short life, limits on the
number of flow rates...

For a single shower, flow rate is hardly a problem...

They are not a universal panacea as some might claim, but horses for
courses.

(first one I lived with was 24 years old and still working when the
place was sold).


Electric showers that I'm thinking of are the instant ones - stuff 10kW
up them, and when it's cold and you want a nice hot shower in winter
it... trickles. And they usually have two speeds, big trickle or small
trickle. Or you can have decent flow if you don't mind tepid. We're
pumped from a tank.

Sorry, we are talking at crossed purposes.

I was referring to combi boilers not electric showers. Some folks seem
to have an irrational fear of them, when for some users (the OP would
seem to be one) they can be a good match

Regarding electric showers then yes agreed - at best is unlikely to
rival being ****ed all over!

flow rates for comparison:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...ting_the_Power






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John.

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:56:08 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

On 16/08/2011 20:40, Andy Champ wrote:
On 16/08/2011 01:18, John Rumm wrote:
On 15/08/2011 21:25, Andy Champ wrote:
On 15/08/2011 19:41, John Williamson wrote:
I may just decide to inatall an electric shower

Hock, ptooey

Never liked them. Slow flow rate in winter, short life, limits on the
number of flow rates...

For a single shower, flow rate is hardly a problem...

They are not a universal panacea as some might claim, but horses for
courses.

(first one I lived with was 24 years old and still working when the
place was sold).


Electric showers that I'm thinking of are the instant ones - stuff 10kW
up them, and when it's cold and you want a nice hot shower in winter
it... trickles. And they usually have two speeds, big trickle or small
trickle. Or you can have decent flow if you don't mind tepid. We're
pumped from a tank.

Sorry, we are talking at crossed purposes.

I was referring to combi boilers not electric showers. Some folks seem
to have an irrational fear of them, when for some users (the OP would
seem to be one) they can be a good match

Regarding electric showers then yes agreed - at best is unlikely to
rival being ****ed all over!

flow rates for comparison:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...ting_the_Power

OK, so I'm (not) being ****ed on! I don't like excessive water on me, so I'm
happy in Summer with the shower running on the 3.75kW element; in Winter I
go mad and use the 4.75kW one!

BTW, reading the Wiki, the first things that I do when looking at fitting a
shower are the CU and incoming supply, other items in the house and the
occupation and useage. A neighbour was muttering about a 10kW unit on an 80A
fuse, storage heaters and kitchen in use at the same time!
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

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In article , John Williamson
writes
ARWadsworth wrote:
John Williamson wrote:

"Before" pictures are currently in the camera.

I am looking forward to them.

Your wish is (eventually) my command.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1633050...7627450194864/

The set is public, as are my other pictures on Flickr, so you shouldn't
need to log in.

In the junk, I found a rather posh coffee maker and a tile splitter, as
well as a pasting table. That's going to see a lot of use in the future,
as someone who seems to be colour blind has painted over the (textured)
wallpaper.

The "light bar" in the living room is on the list for tomorrow, along
with moving a load of stuff from storage to the house. And the new
cooker, and sorting out the plumbing. There's no water or gas on yet,
though now I've sorted the problems in the pictures out, I'm reasonable
happy with the electrics.

Not a bad buy, all things considered.

Seems sound but with potential for improvement.

On the light bar, I have done something similar when I wanted to work
out where to put lights in my kitchen, how many, spacing and so on.
Pendants hanging off battens with flying leads back to the ceiling rose,
worked well _as_a_temporary_measure_.
--
fred
FIVE TV's superbright logo - not the DOG's, it's ********

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fred wrote:
In article , John Williamson
writes
ARWadsworth wrote:
John Williamson wrote:

"Before" pictures are currently in the camera.

I am looking forward to them.

Your wish is (eventually) my command.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1633050...7627450194864/

The set is public, as are my other pictures on Flickr, so you
shouldn't need to log in.

In the junk, I found a rather posh coffee maker and a tile splitter,
as well as a pasting table. That's going to see a lot of use in the
future, as someone who seems to be colour blind has painted over the
(textured) wallpaper.

The "light bar" in the living room is on the list for tomorrow, along
with moving a load of stuff from storage to the house. And the new
cooker, and sorting out the plumbing. There's no water or gas on yet,
though now I've sorted the problems in the pictures out, I'm
reasonable happy with the electrics.

Not a bad buy, all things considered.

Seems sound but with potential for improvement.

On the light bar, I have done something similar when I wanted to work
out where to put lights in my kitchen, how many, spacing and so on.
Pendants hanging off battens with flying leads back to the ceiling
rose, worked well _as_a_temporary_measure_.


It's the tiles in the kitchen with chickens on them that worries me:-)

--
Adam

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fred wrote:

Not a bad buy, all things considered.

Seems sound but with potential for improvement.

Don't they all?

I'm doing little niggles as I go at the moment.

On the light bar, I have done something similar when I wanted to work
out where to put lights in my kitchen, how many, spacing and so on.
Pendants hanging off battens with flying leads back to the ceiling rose,
worked well _as_a_temporary_measure_.

Which I think, somehow, looking at`other stuff that's been done, it
wasn't intended to be.

It'll get sorted.
--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:11:01 +0100, ARWadsworth wrote:

It's the tiles in the kitchen with chickens on them that worries me:-)

Oy, the curtains in the breakfast room and nets in the kitchen have
cross stitch chickens on 'em... But then we is rural not suburban...

--
Cheers
Dave.

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In article , ARWadsworth
writes
fred wrote:
In article , John Williamson

The "light bar" in the living room is on the list for tomorrow, along
with moving a load of stuff from storage to the house. And the new
cooker, and sorting out the plumbing. There's no water or gas on yet,
though now I've sorted the problems in the pictures out, I'm
reasonable happy with the electrics.

Not a bad buy, all things considered.

Seems sound but with potential for improvement.

On the light bar, I have done something similar when I wanted to work
out where to put lights in my kitchen, how many, spacing and so on.
Pendants hanging off battens with flying leads back to the ceiling
rose, worked well _as_a_temporary_measure_.

It's the tiles in the kitchen with chickens on them that worries me:-)

No-one here but us chickens bok-bok . . .

I imagine we've both seen worse. For a start there's plaster on the
walls.

Picture a city centre flat, half way refurb for sale as repo, no
windows, disgruntled former owner trashes place, partial fitted kitchen
smashed and dumped on half landing of common stairwell, mine for 18k
cash or would have been if the other guy hadn't beaten me by 30mins.
Still, with the needles in the well and steel cages on all the doors in
the close, maybe it wasn't such a bargain after all.
--
fred
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fred wrote:
In article , ARWadsworth
writes
fred wrote:
In article , John Williamson

The "light bar" in the living room is on the list for tomorrow,
along with moving a load of stuff from storage to the house. And
the new cooker, and sorting out the plumbing. There's no water or
gas on yet, though now I've sorted the problems in the pictures
out, I'm reasonable happy with the electrics.

Not a bad buy, all things considered.

Seems sound but with potential for improvement.

On the light bar, I have done something similar when I wanted to
work out where to put lights in my kitchen, how many, spacing and
so on. Pendants hanging off battens with flying leads back to the
ceiling rose, worked well _as_a_temporary_measure_.

It's the tiles in the kitchen with chickens on them that worries
me:-)
No-one here but us chickens bok-bok . . .

I imagine we've both seen worse. For a start there's plaster on the
walls.

Walls? You were lucky.


--
Adam