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We have one of them big plasma tellies now - 10 years behind the curve, but still exciting.... ) So next thought is an HD signal feed, preferably without putting a farthing in Murdoch's pocket. I've been advised that Freesat HD is better than Freeview HD, and I see that there are plenty of receivers and dishes on the market. I need an idiot's introduction or a UK enthusiast forum, if anyone can help with that? |
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Steve Walker wrote:
I need an idiot's introduction or a UK enthusiast forum, if anyone can help with that? Steve, take a look at the AV Forums site: http://www.avforums.com/forums/ . A superb and very friendly resource for all things audio-visual. It's a bit like here in that there are regulars who are happy to talk beginners through pretty much anything. Bert |
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On Jul 23, 5:22*pm, "Steve Walker" wrote:
Hi - We have one of them big plasma tellies now - 10 years behind the curve, but still exciting.... *) So next thought is an HD signal feed, preferably without putting a farthing in Murdoch's pocket. * I've been advised that Freesat HD is better than Freeview HD, and I see that there are plenty of receivers and dishes on the market. I need an idiot's introduction or a UK enthusiast forum, if anyone can help with that? You will need a meter to get the dish pointed right. About a tenner in "Screwfix" Impossible to set up without. Easy when you have one. . |
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Steve Walker wrote: So next thought is an HD signal feed, preferably without putting a farthing in Murdoch's pocket. I've been advised that Freesat HD is better than Freeview HD, and I see that there are plenty of receivers and dishes on the market. I need an idiot's introduction or a UK enthusiast forum, if anyone can help with that? You don't actually need Freesat - just a FTA HD satellite receiver. I have one and get BBC HD, BBC1 HD, ITV HD, CH4 HD and that Japanese English language channel I can't remember. ;-) -- *(on a baby-size shirt) "Party -- my crib -- two a.m Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message
... We have one of them big plasma tellies now - 10 years behind the curve, but still exciting.... ) Don't worry about it, I'm still watching TV on my old Toshiba CRT and until such time as it blows up or dies of death, will NOT be buying one of these new-fangled hi-def flat screen contraptions! -- Best Wishes Simon (Dark Angel) http://www.realmofhorror.co.uk |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
You don't actually need Freesat - just a FTA HD satellite receiver. What's the difference? |
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Bert Coules wrote:
Steve Walker wrote: I need an idiot's introduction or a UK enthusiast forum, if anyone can help with that? Steve, take a look at the AV Forums site: http://www.avforums.com/forums/ . A superb and very friendly resource for all things audio-visual. It's a bit like here in that there are regulars who are happy to talk beginners through pretty much anything. Perfect! Thanks Bert. |
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On 23/07/2011 17:22, Steve Walker wrote:
Hi - We have one of them big plasma tellies now - 10 years behind the curve, but still exciting.... ) So next thought is an HD signal feed, preferably without putting a farthing in Murdoch's pocket. I've been advised that Freesat HD is better than Freeview HD, and I see that there are plenty of receivers and dishes on the market. I need an idiot's introduction or a UK enthusiast forum, if anyone can help with that? Its actually pretty straightforward. Firstly have a look at Charles Macfarlane's rather snazzy dish point page he http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Audi...Calculator.php That will give you a nice google aerial map at the end of it, with the exact line to point along drawn on it - you can even choose where to pop the dish on your building. Method of alignment he http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Audi...liteFixed.html A cheap signal meter will probably also help with alignment, although some receivers have an audible alignment tone that you can turn on and hear through a window etc. Any free to air HD box will do what you want, although the freesat branded receivers will make use of the bespoke Freesat EPG which makes for a better user interface. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 23/07/2011 18:41, GB wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote: You don't actually need Freesat - just a FTA HD satellite receiver. What's the difference? Freesat will give you the freesat EPG. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:15:16 +0100, John Rumm wrote:
You don't actually need Freesat - just a FTA HD satellite receiver. What's the difference? Freesat will give you the freesat EPG. Which is probably worth while. Without the Freesat EPG I'm pretty sure all you have is "Now & Next" for the channel you are watching and possibly a bit of info about the current programme. You can't browse what is on over the next seven days over all the channels in the EPG. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:15:16 +0100, John Rumm wrote: Freesat will give you the freesat EPG. Which is probably worth while. Without the Freesat EPG I'm pretty sure all you have is "Now & Next" for the channel you are watching MythTV can "see" the full 7 day EPG, I'm not suggesting everyone rush out and install it unless they're a Linux aficionado, but it makes me wonder if any FTA receivers that are not officially blessed as Freesat are capable of receiving the full EPG too? |
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wrote Dave Plowman (News) wrote: You don't actually need Freesat - just a FTA HD satellite receiver. What's the difference? Having an 7 day Electronic Program Guide. Freesat branded boxes will get it from the broadcast. With other free to air boxes you may only get now/next or have few hoops to jump through (assuming it possible to load a 7 day EPG on to you chosen non-freesat box) -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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John Rumm wrote:
Its actually pretty straightforward. Firstly have a look at Charles Macfarlane's rather snazzy dish point page he http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Audi...Calculator.php That will give you a nice google aerial map at the end of it, with the exact line to point along drawn on it - you can even choose where to pop the dish on your building. Thanks - I had already found two other utilities http://www.uksatellitehelp.co.uk/200...calculator-v2/ and www.dishpointer.com which appear to do the same thing - very helpful, thanks to everyone concerned in their making! |
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , Steve Walker wrote: So next thought is an HD signal feed, preferably without putting a farthing in Murdoch's pocket. I've been advised that Freesat HD is better than Freeview HD, and I see that there are plenty of receivers and dishes on the market. I need an idiot's introduction or a UK enthusiast forum, if anyone can help with that? You don't actually need Freesat - just a FTA HD satellite receiver. I have one and get BBC HD, BBC1 HD, ITV HD, CH4 HD and that Japanese English language channel I can't remember. ;-) Freesat receivers are much more-plentiful than Free-to-Air. You can get a cheap, basic one for less than £20. PVR versions cost quite a bit more. However, with Freesat, you can only get one regional BBC 1 channel and one regional ITV 1 channel, plus the London versions. With FTA Satellite, you get the lot*, plus a load of channels you never get on Freesat (although you'll probably never watch most of them). That said, Freesat is probably more than enough for anyone! *You have to enter a valid postcode. Normally, this will be your own (in which case you will/should get the correct local channels). If you want to watch a different region, enter an appropriate postcode (if necessary, guess at one). -- Ian |
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"harry" wrote in message ... On Jul 23, 5:22 pm, "Steve Walker" wrote: Hi - We have one of them big plasma tellies now - 10 years behind the curve, but still exciting.... ) So next thought is an HD signal feed, preferably without putting a farthing in Murdoch's pocket. I've been advised that Freesat HD is better than Freeview HD, and I see that there are plenty of receivers and dishes on the market. I need an idiot's introduction or a UK enthusiast forum, if anyone can help with that? You will need a meter to get the dish pointed right. About a tenner in "Screwfix" Impossible to set up without. Easy when you have one. . Impossible? I set up my dishes with only the aid of the signal meter in the box. I eat thee Shredded Wheats for breakfast too ;-) -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:15:16 +0100, John Rumm wrote: You don't actually need Freesat - just a FTA HD satellite receiver. What's the difference? Freesat will give you the freesat EPG. Which is probably worth while. Without the Freesat EPG I'm pretty sure all you have is "Now & Next" for the channel you are watching and possibly a bit of info about the current programme. You can't browse what is on over the next seven days over all the channels in the EPG. Yebbut look at the prices - Good old screwfix have a complete package for £70 delivered (item 98603) - basic and cheap, with a Labgear HDSR300 receiver, but reportedly works fine www.radioandtelly.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271458427 To purchase a branded Freesat HD, dish and fittings will be near to £200. |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:30:13 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
However, with Freesat, you can only get one regional BBC 1 channel and one regional ITV 1 channel, plus the London versions. With FTA Satellite, you get the lot*, All the BBC variations (regional, national, BBC1 and BBC2) are in the freesat EPG (900 something). 101 gets allocated to the one for your location as per the post code you feed it. Or should that para have started "However, with Freeview, ..."? ITV variations are not in the Freesat EPG but can be found via "other channels" but to be honest how often do most people you want to watch a different region? -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:04:56 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Freesat will give you the freesat EPG. Which is probably worth while. Without the Freesat EPG I'm pretty sure all you have is "Now & Next" for the channel you are watching MythTV can "see" the full 7 day EPG, Interesting, presumably that is the Freesat EPG or can it see the Sky EPG as well? -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote: All the BBC variations (regional, national, BBC1 and BBC2) are in the freesat EPG (900 something). 101 gets allocated to the one for your location as per the post code you feed it. Or should that para have started "However, with Freeview, ..."? ITV variations are not in the Freesat EPG but can be found via "other channels" but to be honest how often do most people you want to watch a different region? I wanted to fairly recently. There was a play on BBC 1 Scotland (only) I wanted to see. Not a problem with my FTA setup - they are all listed. -- *I pretend to work. - they pretend to pay me. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Graham." wrote in message ... "harry" wrote in message ... On Jul 23, 5:22 pm, "Steve Walker" wrote: Hi - We have one of them big plasma tellies now - 10 years behind the curve, but still exciting.... ) So next thought is an HD signal feed, preferably without putting a farthing in Murdoch's pocket. I've been advised that Freesat HD is better than Freeview HD, and I see that there are plenty of receivers and dishes on the market. I need an idiot's introduction or a UK enthusiast forum, if anyone can help with that? You will need a meter to get the dish pointed right. About a tenner in "Screwfix" Impossible to set up without. Easy when you have one. . Impossible? I set up my dishes with only the aid of the signal meter in the box. I eat thee Shredded Wheats for breakfast too ;-) Absolutely. I accept that it's a fairly narrow angle [1] but a few minutes does the job. [1] With a cheap'n'nasty dish, pressure on the mesh will miss the beam. |
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message ... Dave Liquorice wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:15:16 +0100, John Rumm wrote: You don't actually need Freesat - just a FTA HD satellite receiver. What's the difference? Freesat will give you the freesat EPG. Which is probably worth while. Without the Freesat EPG I'm pretty sure all you have is "Now & Next" for the channel you are watching and possibly a bit of info about the current programme. You can't browse what is on over the next seven days over all the channels in the EPG. Yebbut look at the prices - Good old screwfix have a complete package for £70 delivered (item 98603) - basic and cheap, with a Labgear HDSR300 receiver, but reportedly works fine www.radioandtelly.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271458427 To purchase a branded Freesat HD, dish and fittings will be near to £200. Humax Freesat HDR are quite good, also, a bit of homebrew gives you ftp access for copying files. |
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wrote However, with Freesat, you can only get one regional BBC 1 channel and one regional ITV 1 channel, plus the London versions. But w3ho wants more that one regional variation of the crap they transmit? With FTA Satellite, you get the lot*, plus a load of channels you never get on Freesat (although you'll probably never watch most of them). Most (all) Freesat boxes will receive another 400+ channels not in the Freesat line-up. -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 23:53:57 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
ITV variations are not in the Freesat EPG but can be found via "other channels" but to be honest how often do most people you want to watch a different region? I wanted to fairly recently. There was a play on BBC 1 Scotland (only) I wanted to see. Not a problem with my FTA setup - they are all listed. *All* BBC variations, regional, sub-regional and national across BBC1 and BBC2 are in the Freesat EPG. No messing about at all or requirement to use an "other channels" feature of a Freesat box. I have the various BBC/ITV streams and multi screens in "other chanels" along with Sky News just in case I wanted to watch it. The streams can be quite useful, I've watched a couple of F1 highlights via them. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 00:07:45 +0100, brass monkey wrote:
[1] With a cheap'n'nasty dish, pressure on the mesh will miss the beam. It will affect the signal but not "miss the beam". Zone 1 mini dishes have quite a large acceptance angle. -- Cheers Dave. |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 00:07:45 +0100, brass monkey wrote: [1] With a cheap'n'nasty dish, pressure on the mesh will miss the beam. It will affect the signal but not "miss the beam". Zone 1 mini dishes have quite a large acceptance angle. I can only speak from experience, unless of course, the clamps moved Quite likely. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: MythTV can "see" the full 7 day EPG, Interesting, presumably that is the Freesat EPG or can it see the Sky EPG as well? I assume it's just the Freesat one (will check later, first I need to replace the picoATX PSU to watch F1 in HD). |
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Alan wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote: regional ITV 1 channel But who wants more that one regional variation of the crap they transmit? Actually, the STV HD region is worth having, as they often show a totally different film to the English regions, no doubt handy for ex-pat jocks when they have different footie on too. Shame about their chunky DOG though |
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monkey wrote "Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ill.co.uk... On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 00:07:45 +0100, brass monkey wrote: [1] With a cheap'n'nasty dish, pressure on the mesh will miss the beam. It will affect the signal but not "miss the beam". Zone 1 mini dishes have quite a large acceptance angle. I can only speak from experience, unless of course, the clamps moved Quite likely. Cheap'n'nasty mini dishes for £20 to £30 on Ebay, including quad LNBs, work well for millions of Sky and Freesat viewers. 99.9% of these dishes are installed by monkeys With tiny bit of background reading, sites such as Dishpointer, and a cheap satellite signal strength meter (£6 from Ebay) DIY dish fitting is not that difficult. One other thing the OP should be made aware of is cable quality http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/articles/coax-cable-quality.shtml Example (but not possibly the best of prices) http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CAPF100W.html And some idea about fitting a F connector http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/fconn.htm -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message ... Hi - We have one of them big plasma tellies now - 10 years behind the curve, but still exciting.... ) So next thought is an HD signal feed, preferably without putting a farthing in Murdoch's pocket. I've been advised that Freesat HD is better than Freeview HD, and I see that there are plenty of receivers and dishes on the market. I need an idiot's introduction or a UK enthusiast forum, if anyone can help with that? uk.tech.digital-tv alt.satellite.tv.europe Surprised that your new big plasma TV doesn't have a built in Freesat decoder. -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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David WE Roberts wrote:
Surprised that your new big plasma TV doesn't have a built in Freesat decoder. Only Panasonic AFAIAA |
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On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 01:18:31 +0100, brass monkey wrote:
[1] With a cheap'n'nasty dish, pressure on the mesh will miss the beam. It will affect the signal but not "miss the beam". Zone 1 mini dishes have quite a large acceptance angle. I can only speak from experience, So do I. B-) I remember playing "clangers" with the tone from the satfinder by pressing the edges of the dish to make sure the rest position was as good as it gets. ... unless of course, the clamps moved Quite likely. I think so, I got the correct bird from the initial point it in that azimuth/elevation from the compass and eye. I get 9 or 10/10 strength from a Zone 1 minidish 20 odd miles south of Hadrians Wall, supposedly borderline in requiring a Zone 2 dish. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote: I think so, I got the correct bird from the initial point it in that azimuth/elevation from the compass and eye. I get 9 or 10/10 strength from a Zone 1 minidish 20 odd miles south of Hadrians Wall, supposedly borderline in requiring a Zone 2 dish. I know you're in an isolated position, but many can get a start position by just looking at neighbourhood dishes. Then fine set with a sat finder. Mine came in a kit from Lidl. ;-) Although I've subsequently fitted a bigger dish and rotator, and an HD receiver. -- *Whatever kind of look you were going for, you missed. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 23/07/2011 18:36, Simon Taylor wrote:
"Steve Walker" wrote in message ... We have one of them big plasma tellies now - 10 years behind the curve, but still exciting.... ) Don't worry about it, I'm still watching TV on my old Toshiba CRT and until such time as it blows up or dies of death, will NOT be buying one of these new-fangled hi-def flat screen contraptions! We're still on CRT too, for a variety of reasons - one being that the majority of newer tvs have "soft" screens, easily damaged by kids, unless you want to pay a lot more. SteveW |
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On 23/07/2011 22:28, Graham. wrote:
Impossible? I set up my dishes with only the aid of the signal meter in the box. I eat thee Shredded Wheats for breakfast too ;-) I set one up with just the aid of a "sat beeper" which emitted a tone with higher frequency meaning stronger signal. -- Clive Page |
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Alan wrote:
One other thing the OP should be made aware of is cable quality http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/articles/coax-cable-quality.shtml Example (but not possibly the best of prices) http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CAPF100W.html And some idea about fitting a F connector http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/fconn.htm Thanks, that's helpful |
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David WE Roberts wrote:
Surprised that your new big plasma TV doesn't have a built in Freesat decoder. Sadly not - http://www.richersounds.com/product/...350/lg-42pj350 |
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wrote Alan wrote: One other thing the OP should be made aware of is cable quality http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/articles/coax-cable-quality.shtml Example (but not possibly the best of prices) http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CAPF100W.html And some idea about fitting a F connector http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/fconn.htm Thanks, that's helpful See also the video on using a cheap sat signal meter http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/satmeter.htm -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 23/07/2011 17:22, Steve Walker wrote:
Hi - We have one of them big plasma tellies now - 10 years behind the curve, but still exciting.... ) So next thought is an HD signal feed, preferably without putting a farthing in Murdoch's pocket. I've been advised that Freesat HD is better than Freeview HD, and I see that there are plenty of receivers and dishes on the market. I need an idiot's introduction or a UK enthusiast forum, if anyone can help with that? This is the Freesat+ forum: There is also a Freesat forum. http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=199 I am just about able to receive Freeview HD from Crystal Palace (with my new TV), but I do get the occasional loss of signal. The situation will improve next year when they increase the power of the digital transmissions. If you have line of sight to the satellites at 28.2 and you live in the UK then reception should be possible. DIY dish installation is a practical proposition. -- Michael Chare |
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Michael Chare wrote:
This is the Freesat+ forum: There is also a Freesat forum. http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=199 I am just about able to receive Freeview HD from Crystal Palace (with my new TV), but I do get the occasional loss of signal. The situation will improve next year when they increase the power of the digital transmissions. If you have line of sight to the satellites at 28.2 and you live in the UK then reception should be possible. DIY dish installation is a practical proposition. Thanks Michael. |
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