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A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf
of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? I know its a crock of ****, for one thing we don't have a static IP address that could be traced back to my phone number. Mike |
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In article , MuddyMike
scribeth thus A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? I know its a crock of ****, for one thing we don't have a static IP address that could be traced back to my phone number. Mike |
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On Feb 25, 6:55 pm, "MuddyMike" wrote:
A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? I know its a crock of ****, for one thing we don't have a static IP address that could be traced back to my phone number. Mike time you did some googling methinks http://www.digitaltoast.co.uk/suppor...temrecure-scam Jim K |
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"MuddyMike" writes: A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Oh, I'd love to get one of those. All I seem to get at the moment are "Sir, we've been told that you or a member of your family were involved in an accident recently"... which isn't true, so I just tell them they've been ripped off by the person who sold them the data (and this sector is now a large business, so it's not surprising people started selling fake data). -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , "MuddyMike" writes: A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Oh, I'd love to get one of those. All I seem to get at the moment are "Sir, we've been told that you or a member of your family were involved in an accident recently"... which isn't true, so I just tell them they've been ripped off by the person who sold them the data (and this sector is now a large business, so it's not surprising people started selling fake data). How odd. I was a witness to a car accident last week. I have had 3 calls/texts already about my claim! I managed to keep one woman on the phone for 15 minutes before she realised I was making my injuries up and was not involved in an accident. -- Adam |
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writes How odd. I was a witness to a car accident last week. I have had 3 calls/texts already about my claim! I managed to keep one woman on the phone for 15 minutes before she realised I was making my injuries up and was not involved in an accident. Next time break off when you get to 10mins to tell them how sorry you are that their career in prostitution didn't work out as you're sure they wouldn't have to work in such a low down, ****ty job if it had worked out for them. Were they too stick faced to make a go of it? -- fred FIVE TV's superbright logo - not the DOG's, it's ******** |
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![]() "ARWadsworth" wrote in message ... Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , "MuddyMike" writes: A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Oh, I'd love to get one of those. All I seem to get at the moment are "Sir, we've been told that you or a member of your family were involved in an accident recently"... which isn't true, so I just tell them they've been ripped off by the person who sold them the data (and this sector is now a large business, so it's not surprising people started selling fake data). How odd. I was a witness to a car accident last week. I have had 3 calls/texts already about my claim! I managed to keep one woman on the phone for 15 minutes before she realised I was making my injuries up and was not involved in an accident. -- Adam I'm surprised they gave up so easily if they were genuine claims management people. She would be about as bothered about how genuine your injury was as a defence barrister is about the actual guilt or innocence of his client. Witnessing an accident can be the cause of much mental anguish and trauma ;-) ;-) ;-) -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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In article , ARWadsworth writes How odd. I was a witness to a car accident last week. I have had 3 calls/texts already about my claim! I managed to keep one woman on the phone for 15 minutes before she realised I was making my injuries up and was not involved in an accident. Next time break off when you get to 10mins to tell them how sorry you are that their career in prostitution didn't work out as you're sure they wouldn't have to work in such a low down, ****ty job if it had worked out for them. Were they too stick faced to make a go of it? Considering it took her 10 minutes to realise that "I poked myself in my eye with my bellend" in the accident was a wind up, I assume that she was stupid. Her timing was perfect, I was in the wholesalers and put the call on hands free to amuse the staff when I realised it was a ripoff/ambulance chaser type of call. Adam |
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If not, I suspect this selling of data (whether you're a witness or
directly involved) is illegal. You have no business relationship with them and the Data Protection Registrar really ought to look into this. That does not help much if (as is often the case) the call is coming from India from an Indian firm working on the commission they get for providing "leads". All such firms overseas know as well as your local yobs that "you can't touch me". The government tells us the £250m or so a year the UK provides in the form of overseas aid to India improves our national security. But sadly it does not seem to buy us any security from (in the past week alone here) telephone offering release from my debts, savings on gas and electricity, cheaper insurance and entry in a free draw if I'll just answer a few questions about my savings. -- Robin PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com |
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![]() "Skipweasel" wrote in message ... In article , says... How odd. I was a witness to a car accident last week. I have had 3 calls/texts already about my claim! I managed to keep one woman on the phone for 15 minutes before she realised I was making my injuries up and was not involved in an accident. Did you at any point give permission for your details to be passed around? If not, I suspect this selling of data (whether you're a witness or directly involved) is illegal. You have no business relationship with them and the Data Protection Registrar really ought to look into this. IANAL - but the uk.legal nest of vipers might be worth poking. -- Skipweasel - never knowingly understood. I didn't feel that way when several firms contacted me to try and get me to make a personal injury claim. After all, I had nothing to lose. As it happens, I didn't want to peruse a claim. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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Graham. wrote:
I'm surprised they gave up so easily if they were genuine claims management people. She would be about as bothered about how genuine your injury was as a defence barrister is about the actual guilt or innocence of his client. See my reply to fred. I did take the **** out of her. Witnessing an accident can be the cause of much mental anguish and trauma ;-) ;-) ;-) Not witnessing one is bad enough. I remember the MiL getting run over by a snowplough and I missed it. -- Adam |
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Skipweasel writes: In article , says... How odd. I was a witness to a car accident last week. I have had 3 calls/texts already about my claim! I managed to keep one woman on the phone for 15 minutes before she realised I was making my injuries up and was not involved in an accident. Did you at any point give permission for your details to be passed around? The information is sold by your insurance company in the first instance, and yes, you did given them permission to do so - it's a condition of your insurance, and it's a big earner for them. Ironically, it ends up costing them much more in claims, but as they pass that on to you, it's not their problem. It's grown enormously in the last year, and is indirectly responsible for all of the 30% average increase in motor insurance premiums over the last year (a period during which accidents have dropped), due to much higher payouts due to rapid increase in ambulance chasers. Many insurers have said this should be made illegal, because they can't stop doing it unless everyone stops doing it. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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ARWadsworth wrote:
Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , "MuddyMike" writes: A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Oh, I'd love to get one of those. All I seem to get at the moment are "Sir, we've been told that you or a member of your family were involved in an accident recently"... which isn't true, so I just tell them they've been ripped off by the person who sold them the data (and this sector is now a large business, so it's not surprising people started selling fake data). How odd. I was a witness to a car accident last week. I have had 3 calls/texts already about my claim! I managed to keep one woman on the phone for 15 minutes before she realised I was making my injuries up and was not involved in an accident. Ah, was that the accident where your head became detached from your body? As my wife said when asked if she could remember exactly when the accident occurred 'No, I've lost my head and cant remember anything' |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:19:18 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , Skipweasel writes: In article , says... How odd. I was a witness to a car accident last week. I have had 3 calls/texts already about my claim! I managed to keep one woman on the phone for 15 minutes before she realised I was making my injuries up and was not involved in an accident. Did you at any point give permission for your details to be passed around? The information is sold by your insurance company in the first instance, and yes, you did given them permission to do so - it's a condition of your insurance, and it's a big earner for them. True, but he wasn't the insured, was he? -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 25/02/2011 18:55, MuddyMike wrote:
A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? I know its a crock of ****, for one thing we don't have a static IP address that could be traced back to my phone number. Mike Listen to past episodes of The Bob Servant Emails on BBC radio 4. Object lessons in how wind up and waste the time of spammers. If we all did it they'd get a real job (or go into politics I guess) Peter Scott |
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John Rumm wrote:
On 25/02/2011 18:55, MuddyMike wrote: A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? I know its a crock of ****, for one thing we don't have a static IP address that could be traced back to my phone number. Common story - usually leads you to letting them have remote control to "fix" your computer and then them billing your CC either for the remote fixing of various "problems" or flogging you some worthless (or worse) software to do the same. You left out 'and adding you to their botnets and having stripped all your passwords as well' |
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writes Graham. wrote: I'm surprised they gave up so easily if they were genuine claims management people. She would be about as bothered about how genuine your injury was as a defence barrister is about the actual guilt or innocence of his client. See my reply to fred. I did take the **** out of her. Witnessing an accident can be the cause of much mental anguish and trauma ;-) ;-) ;-) Not witnessing one is bad enough. I remember the MiL getting run over by a snowplough and I missed it. Did it stop her talking for more than 10 seconds? -- geoff |
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In article , ARWadsworth
writes fred wrote: In article , ARWadsworth writes How odd. I was a witness to a car accident last week. I have had 3 calls/texts already about my claim! I managed to keep one woman on the phone for 15 minutes before she realised I was making my injuries up and was not involved in an accident. Next time break off when you get to 10mins to tell them how sorry you are that their career in prostitution didn't work out as you're sure they wouldn't have to work in such a low down, ****ty job if it had worked out for them. Were they too stick faced to make a go of it? Considering it took her 10 minutes to realise that "I poked myself in my eye with my bellend" in the accident was a wind up, I assume that she was stupid. Her timing was perfect, I was in the wholesalers and put the call on hands free to amuse the staff when I realised it was a ripoff/ambulance chaser type of call. LOL, I should have known I could rely on you to make the best possible mileage from it. -- fred FIVE TV's superbright logo - not the DOG's, it's ******** |
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![]() "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... John Rumm wrote: On 25/02/2011 18:55, MuddyMike wrote: A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? I know its a crock of ****, for one thing we don't have a static IP address that could be traced back to my phone number. Common story - usually leads you to letting them have remote control to "fix" your computer and then them billing your CC either for the remote fixing of various "problems" or flogging you some worthless (or worse) software to do the same. You left out 'and adding you to their botnets and having stripped all your passwords as well' I advise them that my company (dont have one) records all calls for training purposes! the phone usually goes down sharpish. |
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MuddyMike wrote:
A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? I know its a crock of ****, for one thing we don't have a static IP address that could be traced back to my phone number. Mike Mike. I had one tell me to look in the Prefetch folder and I would find hundreds of 'infected' files there that would need 'cleaning out' - he put the phone done when I told him that I had disabled [1] this feature in the registry of Windows XP SP3 and that he was trying on a f****g [2] scam to get me to let him have remote control access [3] to my computer so that he could download some rather useless program to clear out legitimate files for a fee - and using my debit card to pay. [1] Yes I have done this, and no, I don't find that the computer noticeably takes longer to load files or causes other problems. [2] I was in a bad mood that evening as this was the third such call in four days - they haven't rung since. [3] This feature is also disabled on my computer and two others in the house. Cash |
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On 25/02/2011 21:00, Robin wrote:
If not, I suspect this selling of data (whether you're a witness or directly involved) is illegal. You have no business relationship with them and the Data Protection Registrar really ought to look into this. That does not help much if (as is often the case) the call is coming from India from an Indian firm working on the commission they get for providing "leads". All such firms overseas know as well as your local yobs that "you can't touch me". The government tells us the £250m or so a year the UK provides in the form of overseas aid to India improves our national security. But sadly it does not seem to buy us any security from (in the past week alone here) telephone offering release from my debts, savings on gas and electricity, cheaper insurance and entry in a free draw if I'll just answer a few questions about my savings. I get frequent calls from an Asian man asking where I buy my gas. I reply by asking him where he buys his - which seems to confuse him. I say I'll tell him when he tells me. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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MuddyMike wrote:
A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? I know its a crock of ****, for one thing we don't have a static IP address that could be traced back to my phone number. Mike WTF is STWNFI |
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In message , Peter Scott
wrote Listen to past episodes of The Bob Servant Emails on BBC radio 4. Object lessons in how wind up and waste the time of spammers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkdoogjic4I -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 25/02/2011 21:59, Peter Scott wrote:
On 25/02/2011 18:55, MuddyMike wrote: A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? I know its a crock of ****, for one thing we don't have a static IP address that could be traced back to my phone number. Mike Listen to past episodes of The Bob Servant Emails on BBC radio 4. Object lessons in how wind up and waste the time of spammers. If we all did it they'd get a real job (or go into politics I guess) Peter Scott I have better things to do with my time. I simply say I don't take cold calls and put the phone down. Colin Bignell |
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![]() "F Murtz" wrote in message ... MuddyMike wrote: A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the WTF is STWNFI "She That Whom No Fairer Is" Thomas Bateson Mike |
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wrote: In article , says... "She That Whom No Fairer Is" Thomas Bateson Bottle blonde? easiest way is to check muff and cuffs.... Jim K |
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\"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere" wrote: I have better things to do with my time. I simply say I don't take cold calls and put the phone down. Colin Bignell Agreed, but then they often ring back. I prefer to put on an "official" voice and quickly say "Password please" and/or "You shouldn't be calling here and a note has been made of your location. Don't do it again! Goodbye" Works for me and I'm seldom recalled. Makes me I feel better too :-) -- John W |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:29:29 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote: Oh, I'd love to get one of those. I had one a few weeks ago, from a woman. I replied that it was a scam and put the phone down. |
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On 26/02/2011 14:41, Peter Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:29:29 +0000 (UTC), (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: Oh, I'd love to get one of those. I had one a few weeks ago, from a woman. I replied that it was a scam and put the phone down. We started to get loads of spam calls from India not long after taking out an ICICI ISA - hardly a coincidence I suspect. In the end we bought a TrueCall box ("as seen on Dragons' Den") and that filters out all junk calls. -- Reentrant |
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"MuddyMike" wrote in message
... A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? your wallet...... -- http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/ |
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On 26/02/2011 11:27, Nightjar "cpb"@ insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 25/02/2011 21:59, Peter Scott wrote: On 25/02/2011 18:55, MuddyMike wrote: A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? I know its a crock of ****, for one thing we don't have a static IP address that could be traced back to my phone number. Mike Listen to past episodes of The Bob Servant Emails on BBC radio 4. Object lessons in how wind up and waste the time of spammers. If we all did it they'd get a real job (or go into politics I guess) Peter Scott I have better things to do with my time. I simply say I don't take cold calls and put the phone down. Colin Bignell Oh dear. It's a comedy programme. |
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![]() MuddyMike wrote: "F Murtz" wrote in message ... WTF is STWNFI "She That Whom No Fairer Is" Thomas Bateson After a bit of a search I think that might be (for the sake of accuracy) "...(that) she than whom no fairer is". Needless to say, my guesses were wide of the mark, so thanks for that. TF |
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On 26/02/2011 11:27, Nightjar "cpb"@ insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 25/02/2011 21:59, Peter Scott wrote: On 25/02/2011 18:55, MuddyMike wrote: A very nice Asian sounding man called Barry from Global UK working on behalf of Microsoft! Keeps telephoning me and STWNFI insisting that our computers are infected with a virus that is bombarding them the internet with spam. He tried to convince me that our IP address had been identified by the International Routing System and this had alerted Microsoft to call in his services. I led him on a bit this afternoon and he asked me to run EVENT VWR on my PC. Sadly at that point the other phone rang and it was a call I was waiting for so had to take it. Anyone know where this was leading? I know its a crock of ****, for one thing we don't have a static IP address that could be traced back to my phone number. Mike Listen to past episodes of The Bob Servant Emails on BBC radio 4. Object lessons in how wind up and waste the time of spammers. If we all did it they'd get a real job (or go into politics I guess) Peter Scott I have better things to do with my time. I simply say I don't take cold calls and put the phone down. Joining the telephone preference service cured it for me, now I get annoyed by American based calls. Dave |
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John Weston wrote:
In article , ""Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere" wrote: I have better things to do with my time. I simply say I don't take cold calls and put the phone down. Colin Bignell Agreed, but then they often ring back. I prefer to put on an "official" voice and quickly say "Password please" and/or "You shouldn't be calling here and a note has been made of your location. Don't do it again! Goodbye" Works for me and I'm seldom recalled. Makes me I feel better too :-) Simpler still if you don't ever receive legitimate overseas call, a Truecall unit. Second best invention after the TiVo. Tim |
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In article 1460915519320434080.866470timdownie2003-
, says... Simpler still if you don't ever receive legitimate overseas call, a Truecall unit. Second best invention after the TiVo. If it works the way I think it does, then there's a potential problem - quite a few organisations you might want to hear from withold their number. The local police usually do, as do most hospitals, for example. -- Skipweasel - never knowingly understood. |
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In message , Dave
wrote Joining the telephone preference service cured it for me, now I get annoyed by American based calls. It will work for most UK calls but most of the S**T I'm now getting is international. I just let the answerphone pick up the call and 99% of the cold callers ring off during the outgoing message. There area few (Paris Disneyland) who will leave attempt to leave an automated message, but will start during the outgoing message. Barleycard credit card fraud department have a sophisticated auto phone service. On detecting an answerphone it waits until the outgoing message has finished and then gives a sensible message to contact them. -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 04:36:25 -0800 (PST), Jim K wrote:
On Feb 26, 12:05 pm, Skipweasel wrote: In article , says... "She That Whom No Fairer Is" Thomas Bateson Bottle blonde? easiest way is to check muff and cuffs.... Jim K 'tis rumoured that Marylin Munroe was a dyed-in-the-wool blonde. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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